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it was before my time, but, you know, appreciate it. >> i'll tell you this before we go. it was it was not before my time. i'm not old. have a great show. >> thanks, ari. folks, welcome. we begin this hour with four words presented by democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury of new mexico. and these four words really just summed up whatever you want to call what we saw last night in that house chamber. >> thank you. >> so much. >> for having me. >> did you see that at the bottom of your screen? this is not normal. i should note that just moments later, republican congressman lance gooden of texas ripped that sign out of stansbury's hands and threw it in the air. that's not giving decorum. that is how the night started, with what is traditionally meant to be an address made by presidents to advance their agenda and push for new legislation with, you know, at least a veiled attempt at reaching across the aisle. instead, president trump gave a highly partizan and divisive speech rehashing his election victory, focusing on culture war

issues and deriding the democrats, referring to them as these people and radical left lunatics. this was not like any other joint address given by any other president. because of what is happening in our country right now. you have the executive branch thumbing its nose at the co-equal branch of government, that is the legislative trampling on his constitutional authority. i mean, apparently donald trump just doesn't believe in this whole checks and balances thing that we've been doing since the creation of this country. this is not hyperbole, folks, to say that our democracy is on life support, and trump is stress testing the system. republicans, by and large, they they seem uninterested in asserting themselves by defending their constitutional authority. and democrats, on the other hand, they say they want to fight. but last night, democratic leadership discouraged that requesting compliance and decorum. still, some had their signs and their whiteboards to convey their opposition. but other than congressman al green

of texas literally standing up to trump's lies about medicaid and a few others who silently walked out in protest, it appeared to be business as usual at a time when it is anything but that. but don't take it from me. okay? it's not just me. y'all take it from all of these angry people across the country, showing up at town halls and confronting their lawmakers. these folks get it. even today, when presidents and their cabinet would traditionally make a post-speech tour of key states, donald trump had no events scheduled, and he just left it to vice president jd vance to represent for the administration at the border. perhaps they don't actually believe the disgruntled americans showing up to town halls in very red places are paid protesters after all. joining me now is msnbc political analyst eddie glaude. distinguished political scholar and professor at princeton university. msnbc contributor molly jong-fast, special correspondent for vanity fair and host of the fast politics

podcast. and former republican congressman denver riggleman, who served as a senior adviser to the january 6th select committee. y'all got some titles on y'all. honey, can i you know, professor cloud, let me just start with you. and i tried to anchor it a little bit of history. this isn't unlike anything we've seen before, because we're in a moment unlike anything we've seen before. but what say you? your response to last night and what we're seeing today? >> i thought your lead was perfect. symone. i think, you know, either donald trump is an existential threat or he's not. if he's an existential threat, we need to orient ourselves to him accordingly. and what what he did last night, it was more than hyperpartisan, right? it was, again, like you said, a thumbing of the nose. he is engaged in exorcizing, the unitary power of the executive, usurping the power of the congress. and i don't know what it means to strike the pose of decorum in the face of that. it seems to me almost. i wouldn't

say complicit, but it isn't what the moment requires. and so i found last night deeply disturbing, not only in terms of the content, but also in terms of the response. >> well, i mean, former congressman riggleman, let's talk about that, because you've been in the chamber, obviously, for a number of joint sessions for state of the unions. when a guest, whether it's a president or a foreign leader, comes and addresses the entire body of congress, this is the scene i want to play for folks. representative al green being removed from trump's joint address. so this is representative al green of texas. this is the sergeant of arms coming to remove him. this is after the speaker of the house literally interrupts president trump to say democrats will have order, the house will be in order. and if you are not in order, the sergeant, this is your last warning and the sergeant at arms will remove you. representative green is

yelling about medicaid. the president literally before that said he has a mandate, a big, broad, beautiful mandate to do all these things. and representative green stood up for, frankly, i would argue, millions of people in this country and said, you don't have a medicaid, a mandate to cut medicaid. denver you know, it seems like democrats ask for decorum from their membership. last night, the leadership asked for decorum from their members to participate and to, you know, bring their guests and they're going to push back in other ways. but the republicans in congress don't seem to be wanting to offer that same decorum to the democratic members. they don't. it's like an asymmetrical game that's being played. >> well. >> you know, first of all, i know al green and he's a kind and decent man. you know, regardless of who's on the other side of the aisle with al, he always treated me with such respect. >> it was hard to see that happen to al. >> i want to say that first. and al denver is here if you need to give me a call. and the second thing, too, when you're. >> talking about. >> medicaid, you know, al sort

of correct. you know, a lot of times in the january 6th committee, we were looking at the primary actors. it was the secondary. actors that were causing most of the problem, and they didn't practice operational security. >> and when. >> you look at. >> elon musk. >> for doge and what al green is talking about, who is actually supposed to be the doge leader is amy gleason, who worked for russell street ventures, and brad davis, which is a supposedly a consultancy that helps with rural health care. she also had her own company and what's what al is talking about. and maybe, you know, you need analysts to look at this in the media is who is actually running doge. what are the cuts are they making, and why do they think there's a mandate to cut medicaid? and who. >> is that actually benefiting? >> i think we have to follow the money thing here. >> so i think what i. >> was saying was correct. what i would have liked to have seen, though, is more democrats stand up for him. you know, most of them are sitting down looking slack jawed. i think they need to stand up, applaud, or maybe go to the back with him or leave with him. that's actually showing something. i don't think waving signs is. so listen, i was there when rush limbaugh was limbaugh was given the medal of freedom. so i know crazy speech of the donald trump. this is like nothing i've ever seen with

the hyperbole. but i also think there needs to be a lot of action, you know, about individuals looking at doge, looking at medicaid and the people that are actually doing the work, the second tier people that are doing the work, where are they actually doing it? i hope the media takes a good look at that. also. >> molly, weigh in here. you've been talking to democrats just like i have last night's speech. there was a lot of red meat to the republican base of the republican party apparatus. but even before that, it's not like we didn't know what was going to happen. so what are you hearing from from democrats? >> so this is a hard moment, right. >> and. >> we were talking about this before that leadership is not necessarily giving them enough information. that's what i keep hearing too, from members, is that they're not getting the sort of information they need from leadership. you know, where they should be. look, reconciliation republicans have cut if, again, if it passes the way they've they've written it, they will cut $880 billion from medicaid over ten years. that is

going to mean rural hospitals and nursing home closures. that's going to change america in big ways. it's going to change health care in big ways. >> so there is a. >> wildly popular program. >> that democrats. >> can protect. adam jentleson. >> wrote about. >> this in the times today. really? well. >> this is a program. >> that democrats should be focused on, and that was what al green was talking about. but there should have been more opportunities for messaging there, and leadership could have provided those opportunities. >> you know, i mean, i get a bad rap. i think i definitely got one yesterday when people are like, oh, you're throwing cold water on the democrats. i was a democratic strategist for a very long time in my little young life, prior to what i do now. and i, i guess because i still talk to real regular people that don't live in washington dc and see what is happening across the country in people's communities. just the rhetoric that they're hearing. people are unsettled. and i don't want to scare folks. but like, as someone who used to work in the white house and work

in the federal government, what i am hearing from officials within the trump administration and from the president himself, and the things that they are doing with minimal pushback. it i'm not, i am i am unsettled, i'm very concerned. i'm not going to say i'm scared, but i, i there's something happening here. and i do think this moment requires more that we are in an inflection point and i and that's not hyperbolic. >> no, not at all. >> and we can think about it on two different levels the macro level and the micro level. and what do i mean by that? there's some of us who, who are thinking about the dismantling of democracy as such. what does it mean for trump to exercise executive authority in the way that he's doing? what does it mean for democracy that we find ourselves in this moment that very well feels like a constitutional crisis. there's that level of discussion, and then there's the reality. you know, when you downsize with whatever doge is doing, whatever doge is and whatever it's trying to do, whatever its motivation. right? what we do know, it's not like a plant closing in one town

because of the nature of the federal government. everybody's experiencing this. it's having an impact across the board. and so what? and then there's no conversation about the human cost. simone. just think about when justin trudeau spoke in response to the tariffs, the first thing that came out of his mouth after he talked about and delineated what trump had done, he said, we're going to protect this is going to hurt. we're going to expand e.i. benefits. we're going to make sure companies don't engage in predatory. we're going to take care. in other words, he gave voice to the federal government's responsibility to its citizens. these people don't give a damn about everyday, ordinary people. so what would it mean for democrats to say they're trying to take your retirement? they're trying to shred what's left of the social safety net. and we have a commitment as the federal government, as federal citizens to you, what are those obligations to you, to each other instead? decorum. this is not a time for decorum. in some

ways, it's a time for cuss words. in some ways, it's a time to actually get in folks face, right? and to actually put forward a policy policies that reflect values, values for the way we ought to be living our lives. i'm sorry, i'm animated by it, because i think there are things happening at so many different levels. and the human cost, these people are just being cruel on so many different levels. >> the cruelty has always been the point. you know, i like to say when they go low, you got to go toe to toe. we will talk about that on the other side. we have to get a break in. but eddie, molly and denver are sticking with me for much more. on trump's very abnormal, abysmal address and some other developments of today. stay with us. >> us for. >> the facts. >> classic first timers. >> they don't. >> know that nearly half of all used cars have been in an accident. but carfax shows how accidents impact price so they don't have to overpay. unpause.

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drop every tuesday. msnbc premium gives you early access and ad free listening to rachel maddow chart topping series, msnbc original podcasts, exclusive bonus content, and all of your favorite msnbc shows now ad free. subscribe on apple podcasts. >> you know, when somebody's trying. >> to. >> grab power. >> when. >> somebody is trying to destroy. >> democracy. >> they benefit from people who are static. >> who. >> refuse to be nimble. i mean, every democrat could. >> just. >> continue to run in the same direction they've. >> been running. >> for. >> the ten years, last ten years. >> or you could realize that this moment is different, that this. threat is unique. and to me, you know, we don't. have another year to fight. this attempt. >> to destroy democracy. our democracy. >> might be gone in six months. >> that was senator chris murphy of connecticut. we are back with our panel, eddie glaude, molly jong-fast and denver riggleman. denver. you know what? chris

murphy is not necessarily known as a democratic activist, if you will, very much so known for his bipartisan work in the united states senate. but i think the fact that he is, is speaking about not having a democracy in six months is something to take to heart. one of the things that this administration is doing, or they have this double speak, right? they say they're not going to touch medicaid and social security. the president says that. and then literally they put forward legislation that cuts medicaid and social security. and he had all these lies in the speech about all these people over the age of 100 getting checks. and i just kept thinking, why is he saying this? this has been debunked. is he saying this as a pretext to be able to cut social security, make severe cuts? you've got people warning about, like governor o'malley warning that next month people could potentially not get their checks. this is life or death for many americans out there, is it not? >> it is. and, you know, i think lying is a feature, not a bug in

this administration. and by the way, you know, we talk about debunking things. who's hearing the debunking? you know, the you know, we're sitting here with molly and eddie, right? we're we're paying attention. we're watching everything. we're trying to see exactly what's going on. but people that are going to work, 9 to 5 people that have two jobs, they're not paying attention to the lies that are coming out of the administration. they're just hoping for help based on whatever they need. >> and i. >> think that's what eddie. i'm with eddie, right? the passion is there. i'm almost to the point. you know, when you're looking at chris and what eddie said earlier, we're to a point of almost beyond compassionate confrontation. we need people to stand up. we need people to say that this is these are lies, right? and when you look at doge, you know, what congress is doing right now is a dereliction of duty. it's almost like they're happy that somebody, you know, an authoritarian type of way is doing these type of cuts. but really it's just a social club right now. that's what congress is, right? it's a social club that's not really doing anything. and that's really, you know, not surprising to me since i was in congress. and i know how that goes a little bit. but lastly, you know, we're talking about social care, social security, medicare, medicaid. my district is

incredibly rural. so many people rely on it. you know, it's amazing. we're 65% rural. we have the most federally funded federal health centers, and we have people voting against what's best for them. and it's incredible to me. and i think that's what we have to get out there is to tell the truth, we almost need antifa town halls in these districts. you know, where you go in there. and i think democrats need to go in there and say, we're going to tell you the truth about what they're doing to you, right? in rural and urban areas, this isn't like medicaid just isn't something for the poor. that's for somebody who's been an awful circumstances. i had my kid on medicaid when i was in college. so, you know, those are the things. sorry about that. i just got off on a rant there, but what eddie said got. >> me going. >> i'm sorry. >> eddie. >> no, it's very real. >> it's real, you know? >> it's very real. >> you know. >> where i'm at and. >> right. but denver makes an important point. this point about that. oh, did people hear the debunking i think about? i was watching the sanctuary city hearing today, and there was a moment where congresswoman ayanna pressley of massachusetts tried to enter something into the record and read these headlines. and james comer shut her down. didn't want the headlines being read. let's take

a listen to that very quick. >> yeah. >> i have. >> several articles. i need. to enter them. let me. >> just go ahead with. the with the articles. >> are. >> what's the next article? >> let me proceed. data from texas shows that us born americans commit more rape and procedural. superman of this community. >> you can go. >> you can go with mister. >> frost and mister. >> green reclaiming my time. that's what you want. no, no. mr. president, i've been very the i. >> have been. >> very accommodating. >> the congresswoman couldn't even enter the headline into the record, the headline that had some facts to it. look, so this is the thing, right? we've heard for. >> years about this steve bannon ism flooding the. zone with, you know, excrement. the idea here is democrats need to flood the zone with facts, right? they just have to be out there. and there's so much concern about

exactly the right message. it doesn't matter. what matters is the truth and. >> the truth. at least today. >> it still matters. so it needs to be like, you know, they're cutting nih funding, right? some of this nih funding that was ordered to be back on is frozen and unfrozen. now it's still frozen. you know, that kind of stuff needs to be the fact check. they just need to be talking all the time. and the reason we're seeing chris murphy out here is because he is talking all the time. he's doing videos, he's doing social media. he's doing mainstream media, he's doing interviews, he's doing tweets. i mean, he is just out there 24 seven messaging. and that's what democrats have to do. because, look, they ran on this idea that democracy was on the ballot. that is true is more true than it's ever been. so the question is, are they going to behave like it is the emergency? >> it is. i'm a poor little warm water into the cold water. i've had it. this table i will tomales point. one of the things that democrats did last night that had never been done before

was a spin room of democratic voices, influencers, creators. and they all went and they spoke to them, and they've been getting traction online. so a little trial and error happening here. eddie glaude jr, you will have the last word on just today, this week tomorrow. >> so look, we want to give a shout out to all of those democrats who actually walked out, some who like representative green who did. so we're not just trying to pour cold water on the democratic party. as such, we want to talk about the state of the country in this moment, democracy remains, as mollie said, in under threat. and we have to muster every amount of energy we have. symone, to speak and to defend our conception of what we want, of the kind of world we want to live in. they are fighting for their world. they are fighting for their conception of america. what is our idea of america? what is what? what matters? what motivates our understanding of what democracy is our obligation

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>> president trump continues to sow chaos with these mixed signals over his tariff plans. today, the white house announced a one month exemption on 25% tariffs on imports for the big three u.s. automakers. after trump spoke with the heads of ford, general motors and stellantis. this comes a day after the president announced tariffs against our closest trading partners, 25% tariffs against mexico and canada and 20% against china. he made a brief reference to higher consumer prices last night. and then president trump spoke with canadian prime minister justin trudeau today. in a post on his social media site, trump said he told trudeau that efforts to stop the flow of fentanyl weren't good enough to lift the tariffs. commerce secretary

howard lutnick suggested that the president could work something out with canada and mexico. mexican president claudia sheinbaum expects to speak with trump tomorrow. joining me now is msnbc political analyst rick stengel. he's the former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the obama administration. rick, when i when i went to the white house, i would staff the vice president for i'd be one of the folks in the room staffing her for the calls that she would do with world leaders and whatnot. and it seems to me that what the trump administration is doing is they are they are doing these things without talking to our allies and get on the phone with them afterwards. i don't understand the strategy. >> i don't either. and i mean, they don't seem to prepare for anything. >> i mean, as you know. >> there was meticulous. >> preparation, by. >> the way. >> every president, republican. >> and democrat. >> had meticulous. >> preparation. >> but he does seem to like to. >> wing it like. >> what he said, you know. >> in the art of the deal. he wants to. >> be spontaneous.

>> i mean, you know. >> superpowers don't bluff. superpowers are not spontaneous. the world wants predictability. he a little bit embraces. >> that. >> richard nixon. >> madman theory. >> of diplomacy. >> that you. >> scare people because you're so irrational. >> but i don't think it's. it's working. the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau, he had a message to americans on tuesday, and we'll just play a little bit of what he said to the americans. very clearly. >> we don't. >> want this. >> we want to work with you as a. >> friend and. >> ally, and we don't want. >> to see you hurt, either. >> but your government. has chosen. >> to do this. >> to you. >> very direct. rick. and, i mean, they don't want this. trudeau has been very clear that this is not a good thing. i know the president believes that, you know, all tariffs are good tariffs. there's no bad tariffs and some tariffs are good. right. there are some tariffs that the trump administration put in place that the biden administration kept particularly

some tariffs on china. but this just seems chaotic and crazy. lumber steel the housing is already expensive. i feel like it's going to go up because the items to make the homes. the tariffs are crazy. >> they are crazy. >> so you don't have. >> to be a phd. >> economist to. >> know that. >> tariffs are inflationary. >> they're expensive. >> and they're irrational. >> so if you take. >> a product. coming across the border from canada. >> say lumber. >> you have to. >> pay 25%. >> more of that lumber. >> yes, the. >> the canadians will. >> pay some of that to the us. >> customs bureau. >> but then. >> but then businesses. >> pass it. >> on to consumers. >> it will be inflationary. it will. make everything. >> more expensive and then they're going to retaliate. >> so then us goods. >> will become. >> more expensive. >> that we're exporting there. that will hurt all of the exporters. that will hurt all of the farmers. i mean. >> it's kind of. >> crazy to me because one reason i. >> think this will be fatal for trump is because. he's not. taking the win. inflation is

down. >> it's going. >> down every month. the gdp. >> is going up. >> every month. >> take the win. dude, just. >> say yeah, it's because of me. >> but he won't. >> do that. >> because he. >> has so many grievances. he's so angry. >> he's shooting. >> himself in the foot. >> that's what a. >> tariff is. you shoot yourself in the foot. >> well, i mean, we are going to see the implications. i know that howard lutnick said maybe a deal is going to be worked out today, but the tariffs are still in place as we speak. i will note on that data today, some bad data came out. and howard lutnick, the commerce secretary, first, that is the biden data. i want to get your your your reaction to the united states has stopped sharing intelligence with ukraine. they have stopped all transfer of any weapons to ukraine. this happened as of 6 p.m. on monday. our nbc news reporting says people are going to in in ukraine could die because of this pause by the trump administration.

>> 100%, symone. >> as you. >> started the. >> show. >> you said this is not normal. this is not normal. >> this is. >> not what. people do to allies. when you deprive your ally of sight and sound, for him to be able to defend himself. that's not. that's that's terrible. that's vengeance. this was we'll put them in a terrible position. >> but even more than. >> that, it's an incredible gift to vladimir putin. >> i mean. >> they're dancing. >> in the aisles in. moscow by saying the us. >> which has been. >> supporting ukraine. >> from the very beginning with intelligence. >> and remember, we went and told. zelensky that putin was doing this. >> he didn't believe. >> it and he didn't. >> believe it. that was the. >> us. intelligence to deprive them. >> of that of their. >> eyes and ears. that's something that. is very, very dangerous and really not normal. >> over the weekend, european leaders got together at a summit. european leaders and prime minister trudeau to talk about the very issue of ukraine piece europe kind of stepping up today. emmanuel macron says europe must be ready to defend ukraine without u.s. assistance.

this is what he said at the in paris. i want to believe that the u.s. will stand by our side, but we have to be ready for that not to be the case. those are words. i don't think president macron thought he would be uttering anytime soon. >> but for years he's been saying that europe has to strengthen itself. it has to be more powerful. and i think that's right. i mean, europe does have to step up. you know, the silver lining is this will make europe more powerful. europe is bigger. collect the eu together is bigger than the united states. they have militaries that have. increased their spending because of the invasion. they can step up and really, really help and do the job. >> the weapons have to go. but the weapons capability, i mean, the thing that the united states has that the european union doesn't have is they have the weapons. and so do you think this is a situation where the eu leaders could pull their resources by the american weapons in that way? that's how ukraine gets the weapons. >> i hope so. i mean, one of the benefits that. that trump doesn't talk about is the benefits of the.

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department of government efficiency goes. perhaps you've heard. >> of it. >> perhaps. which is headed by elon musk, who is in the gallery tonight? >> yikes. that comment was a gift for lawyers working on a case against the department of government efficiency. the quote was quickly picked up by a lawyer in a case that centers on the legality and operations of doge. during his address to congress tuesday night, trump also said that the days of unelected bureaucrats are over, referencing his mass purge of federal employees while an unelected bureaucrat, elon musk, looked on in attendance. y'all know these so-called unelected bureaucrats. they are. they are real people all across the country whose work impacts millions of americans. the people who deliver your mail, tsa workers, va nurses,

researchers, and people who ensure food safety and provide emergency care. and democratic lawmakers actually brought guests with them yesterday to make that very point. but someone else who had some guests was jacob soboroff, nbc news political and national correspondent. you talked to some. you watched the joint address with some fired federal workers yesterday. >> lovely people. >> lovely people. let's play what they had to say. after sitting through a very long joint address to congress. >> does anybody feel like they understand better why they were fired after watching the speech tonight? nobody. >> it's a major slap in the face to be told that we're not being productive members of this society, and all we want to do is serve the american public. >> i think the. >> demonization of immigrants in the speech today was as disappointing as it was frightening. >> tell us more. what else did we hear? >> all we want to do is serve the american public. that's what he's said. he's a former

presidential management fellow as of valentine's day, and he and the rest of those really wonderful, truly interesting, best of the best, best in class people gave up better jobs, higher pay in order to go into the us government to start a career in civil service. and the thing that unifies them or that unified them, was that they were all working on issues of efficiency, and it wasn't like we planned it that way. you know, we put out sort of a broad call to get people to come to the studio last night. i said last night we had far more people than we could fit into that tiny little studio there, because unfortunately, tens of thousands of people have been fired under this doge effort. but the thing that brought them all together is that time and time again, whether it was in housing and urban development or the u.s. forest service or the u.s. geological survey or the u.s. digital service, the precursor to doge is that they were doing things in order to make the government work better and faster. and the thing that they all said to me is it doesn't feel like they even know who they're firing when they lay people like us off. >> i was struck by the young

woman who used to work for the digital service. she said she didn't. she thought doge was a good idea. >> yeah, exactly. >> she thought it was a good idea until she saw what they were doing. and she's like, wait, hold on now. >> one of the projects that she was working on, it was of particular interest to me is to end the immigration system backlog so it can take one, two, three, four years for people to go through the immigration system. that may be a generous estimate. they were trying to expedite that system by using digital technology. you would think if the end result was trying to get people's cases adjudicated, perhaps get people removed from the country, if that was sort of what their the criteria of the case was, this administration would want that. but what she said is they're more interested in a mass deportation program than an efficient and functioning immigration system. >> jacob soboroff, you are one of the best, always with the people. >> good to see you. i'm so excited for the new show. >> thank you, i appreciate you. we will see you soon. >> i'll see you. >> let's bring in now new jersey congresswoman lamonica mciver. she walked out of president

trump's address last night. congresswoman, i just you are one of the individuals. i do think we have some of the photos, if you will, and we'll put them up of you and other lawmakers whom after listening to the president for some time, decided to walk out of his address. there we have it up on the screen. tell us, why did you decide to attend the joint address last night, and why did you decide ultimately to walk out? >> well. >> thank. >> you so much. first of all, so much for having me. >> and congratulations. >> on the new hour. >> on the show. super excited for you. i attended. >> because i was hopeful. >> that maybe the. >> president might. >> say something. >> that would resonate with the people that i. >> represent in new. >> jersey's fifth congressional district. >> but as we can see, just a couple of. >> minutes into. >> his speech, it was the same. >> old donald trump. >> and i was not going to dedicate my. time to sitting there, you know. >> listening to him. >> tell lies. after lie after lie. we didn't need. >> to dedicate a special. >> night for. >> him to be.

>> able to do that. >> and so i had. >> enough and. >> i was like. >> see y'all later. >> because he is not about. >> to sit up there and play in my face, you know, in the faces of the. 700,000 plus people that i represent. >> and. >> the 10th. congressional district, we just talked with jacob about his interview with some of the federal workers last night who watched the joint address with him, and i was really struck by the fact that you have introduced legislation called the merit act, which is very interesting because there was another merit act, and this would undo the firings by donald trump and elon musk. talk to us a little bit about this legislation is cosponsored by 50 other house democrats. do you have any republican support for this yet? absolutely. i'm super proud to introduce the merit act. it basically reinstates federal. >> workers that. >> were let go for no cause at all, other than the fact that, you know, elon musk felt like doing it. and, you know, let them go without notice or anything. so it would. >> reinstate them and it will give them back. >> pay as well. we are actually

up to 70 plus. co-sponsors on the bill now. and we actually have support. >> from seven. >> unions supporting. >> this bill as well. >> we have extended. >> the reach. >> to republican colleagues to get on this bill as well. >> these workers just. >> don't, you know, reside in democratic districts. they're in republican districts as well. >> and we would hope that they. >> would sign on. >> and actually give a crap about the people that. >> they represent. >> in these in these employees. it is just unjust. it's wrong. and we should not do business like this. this is not a. >> way to do business. >> to talk. about efficiency, because this is not efficient. when these departments have been gutted and many safety. there are a lot of safety. >> concerns right now. and many. >> of these departments across. >> the federal government. and so. >> definitely. >> i am hopeful that the merit. >> act will pass. >> and we're going to do whatever we can. >> we're going to continue to reach out to republican colleagues and ask them to please. sign on. this is good for. >> the american people who are federal workers who lost their jobs. these are, you know, people who have families. >> these are their jobs. you know, times are already hard.

>> and then you. >> go and you, you. >> know. >> release them. and now they're on unemployment. >> how is that making the. >> economy better? >> you know, it. just make it make it make sense. you know, it doesn't. i'm i'm searching. so do you have any republican co-sponsors yet? not yet. before i let you go, congresswoman, a censure resolution was introduced today to censure a reprimand, if you will, representative al green for his protest. trump gutting medicaid last night. again, i know that your guests at the joint address was a mother whose son relies on medicaid. your thoughts on the attempts by republicans to censure rep. al green once again. >> just another clown show happening by gop members. just awful. you know, i think, you know, rep green. >> definitely, you. >> know, put out sentiments of how american people are feeling. they're angry. i know back in my district, people are mad. they're unsettled. they're very upset about. >> what is happening.

>> they don't understand. >> you. >> know, what trump is. >> doing other. >> than making their lives harder. and so definitely, you know, i do not support it. i obviously voted to table the item because it's just disgusting. and it's an example of how unfair republicans have behaved. you know, there was a lot of disruption from republicans in the on the floor yesterday during the speech as well. and they weren't asked to remove they weren't, you know, practicing decorum. but rep green was, you know, forced to be acting, you know, in a, in a fashionable way. it's just it's terrible. >> representative lamonica mciver, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you so. >> much for having me. up next, doge is facing a lot of legal issues. we talked about some of them. and then the united states supreme court just dealt them a very big setback today. more on that after the break. >> just because it's wet outside, you don't need to wear boots. presenting skechers waterproof sneakers with rugged, 100% waterproof construction in

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being thrown. >> at the. american people right. now and it is really important. >> to. >> pay attention to it, but it is just as. >> important to. recognize how many. >> of those. things are getting announced. >> but they're not happening. >> at all, or at least. >> not yet. >> just try to remember we are not looking at the final score. we are still in. >> the first quarter. >> keep your pads on. the game has just begun. >> earlier today, the conservative majority supreme court issued a very narrow and brief ruling that requires the trump administration to pay foreign aid contractors up to $2 billion for work they already have completed. it was a 5 to 4 decision, with chief justice john roberts and associate justice amy coney barrett joining justices elena kagan, sonia sotomayor and ketanji brown jackson. folks do not take too much comfort in the decision. the ruling only upheld a lower court decision, which the dissenting justices claimed was the wrong court to appeal trump's decision to pause usaid

payments. and it leaves the larger constitutional question about whether congress has the ultimate power of the purse unanswered. i am confused. so joining me now is an expert msnbc legal analyst, melissa murray, professor of law at new york university and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast. melissa, i thought that congress has the power of the purse because it's in the constitution. and did the dissenting justices literally send these folks to go judge shopping? >> so. >> okay, you were exactly. >> right to frame this. >> as a very. >> narrow ruling. this was on. >> the court's. >> emergency docket, also known as the shadow docket. so the court gets to decide. things on an emergency basis. >> and they. >> don't have to. >> offer a lot. >> of. >> language about why. >> they're doing it. >> so they sent this. >> back to the lower court to articulate. for the trump administration. >> the circumstances. >> under which they. >> have to repay this money to these organizations who have already done this work. >> there was a very ominous. >> dissent from this order, from. >> one justice alito. whenever something. >> ominous has happened. >> it's usually justice alito who's doing the. >> ominous music. and

essentially he said that he found it really problematic that a single. >> district court judge that's the lowest level of federal. >> judge could issue a nationwide injunction and basically bring the entire administration to heel. he didn't. believe that the court had jurisdiction. he wanted the court to actually take up this issue on their merits. >> docket. >> so have full briefing, have. full oral argument, and then decide this ultimate question about the. >> scope of the power of the. >> purse and the president's authority to. limit the distribution and disbursement. >> of those. >> funds that. >> congress has already appropriated. >> i honestly did not know. the scope of the power of the purse was even up for debate, or. >> everything is up for grabs. >> right now. >> every single. >> thing is. >> maybe the. >> constitution is also up for. >> grabs because the justice department. is doing this, is suggesting that some court orders can be ignored. last week, three appointees for the department of justice, they refused to confirm that the president is bound by court decisions as of march 5th. according to the new york times, at least 40 of those rulings have at least temporarily paused some of the president's initiatives, including cases

about civil service firings, budget freezes, birthright citizenship, the list goes on. are you concerned? >> i am. >> concerned because. >> this relates. >> to justice. alito's dissent. >> from this. >> order today, because. >> justice alito is essentially. saying this. >> practice, which. >> is known as. >> the nationwide injunction whereby a single district court judge can enjoin a practice for the entire country and join the administration's doing something throughout the entire country and just stop the administration in its tracks. these particular nominees are saying, you know what? we're not sure if we need to abide by these nationwide injunctions. >> which is. >> really interesting, because usually when the nationwide injunctions were good for conservatives, like when they were enjoining joe biden, nobody said a word about this. but apparently it's only republican presidents who don't have to abide by nationwide injunctions, and it's only a problem for them. >> donald trump spoke to chief justice roberts last night on the hot mic. take a listen. >> thank you again. >> thank you again. >> don't forget. >> what is he thanking him for today? the arizona republic reports that abortion ballot

measures victory. make arizona's 15 week ban unconstitutional. a judge ruled. is this a preemptive thank you for something that's about to happen? because, i mean, there's a lot happening here. or is he hoping abortion gets up to the supreme court? >> this is. >> a great question. so there's a lot going on. there's a lot that donald trump could have thanked this court for, namely the immunity ruling back. >> in july. >> a big one, a. >> big get out. >> of jail free card and. essentially laying the foundation for what we are seeing here. do not believe. >> this is all the. >> work of this administration, this court, by issuing that very broad and sweeping ruling, has essentially licensed this administration to actually do the most to push the limits, knowing that they have a 6 to 3 conservative supermajority where three of the justices have been installed by donald trump himself, who will be the final word on the scope of executive power. so this could be a preemptive thank you, a preemptive thank you. it could be a thank you for things gone in the past, but it's something to remind the public that this is. because this court has been working hand in glove to aid

this administration. this court is the midwife of what we are seeing right now. >> there are many abortion cases, abortion related cases, if you will, that seem to be on track to, in one way or another, make their way up to the supreme court again today. well, yesterday actually, arizona judge ruled that the state's 2022 law banning abortions after 15 weeks is unconstitutional. no one stepped up to defend the law. and the arizona attorney general was like, all right. >> the thing to remember here is that arizona had this 15 week ban. they had previously tried to impose a ban from the 19th century that had been passed at a time when women couldn't even vote in arizona. they decided to repeal that law, and they left this 15 week ban in place. then arizonans went to the polls in november 2024 and passed a ballot initiative that enshrined in the state's constitution's protections for abortion. so now we are seeing that whole litigation play out. what is the scope of this constitutional amendment which allows for abortion up to the point of viability? and the question is essentially the same question that the court was looking at in

dobbs is 15 weeks, which is well before the point of viability, which is around 23 weeks. is that unconstitutional here? the court in maricopa county said absolutely unconstitutional. arizonans spoke. we are going to see republicans all across this country challenging these ballot amendments. remember, this is the problem you have when you have gerrymandered state legislatures which produce this kind of legislation that don't reflect the people's wishes. and then the people go directly to the ballot where those direct democracy initiatives are available, and they try and secure abortion protections in their state constitutions or state laws directly at the ballot box. now there's a conflict. >> melissa murray looking very chic. okay, breaking down the very scary courts. thank you so much for your time today. i'm kind of terrified. that's all for this hour, folks. i'm so sanders townsend and i will see you again tomorrow night at 7 p.m. eastern. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> social security. is the biggest ponzi scheme of all