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suit. >> he did last night. >> so what is. >> the. >> dress code? >> well, elon musk wore a suit last night. i'm sure you saw it. >> it looked zelensky getting kicked out. >> no, i. >> don't think so. >> i'm just. >> pointing out that. >> he did. >> wear a suit. >> last night. and i. think the president. >> liked. >> that. >> very much. >> and he looked great. >> that's the white. >> house press. >> secretary pressed yesterday. >> about what most. >> see. >> as an inconsistency when. >> it comes. >> to the white house. dress code. >> following criticism about what the. ukrainian president was. wearing during his visit to the oval office last week. as for elon. >> musk, he met with. republicans on capitol. >> hill yesterday. >> talking about. >> how. >> to codify his d.o.j. cuts into law. >> we'll dig into that. >> plus, we'll go through the escalating. >> rhetoric coming out. >> of china on trump's trade war, suggesting the country is ready for. any type of war. >> we'll have defense secretary pete hegseth. >> response to that comment. also ahead. >> some republicans. >> are. >> now defending the.

>> chips act after president. trump threatened. the bipartisan legislation during. his joint address. and we'll look at a major possible. >> change to. >> american policy, as the trump. administration is now talking to hamas. good morning. welcome to morning joe. it is thursday, march 6th. >> with mika and me. this morning we have the co-host of our. >> fourth hour, jonathan lemire. >> he's a contributing writer at the atlantic. covering the white house and national. >> politics, us special correspondent for. >> bbc news and. >> host of the rest. >> is politics podcast. >> katty kay, managing editor at the bulwark, sam. >> stein and. >> former treasury. >> official and morning joe. >> economic analyst steve rattner back with. >> charts and. >> to discuss. this back and forth on tariffs. as president. trump has now paused tariffs on some cars. >> coming into the united. >> states from canada and mexico. >> that's one day after those tariffs. >> went into effect. here's what white house press secretary caroline. leavitt had to say. yesterday.

>> we spoke with the big three auto dealers. we are going to give. a one month exemption. on any autos. >> coming through usmca. >> reciprocal tariffs will still go into effect on april 2nd. but at. >> the request of the companies associated with usmca. >> the president. >> is giving them an exemption. >> for one month. >> so they are not at an. economic disadvantage. so the three companies that. >> he spoke to are. >> stellantis. ford and general motors. they requested the call. they made the ask, and the president is happy to do it. it's a one month exemption. so does he expect. >> them to be able to shift production within a month? >> he told them. >> that he they should. >> get on it, start investing, start moving shift production here to the united states of america where they will pay no tariff. that's the ultimate goal. >> meanwhile. >> the president is reportedly considering exemptions for some. agricultural goods. politico reports the administration is discussing waiving the 25% duty on some products, including canadian potash, a key

ingredient. in fertilizer. republican lawmakers began lobbying for exemptions. >> for that as well. >> before the tariffs went into. effect tuesday, arguing. that supply. shortages or. >> price spikes. >> will further drive up food prices. agriculture secretary brooke rollins told bloomberg news, quote, everything is on the table and that specific exemptions and carve outs are still to be determined. the wall street journal editorial board is reacting to these developments. with a new piece entitled the trump tariff roller coaster. it reads, quote, welcome to the trump tariff thrill ride where you never know what's. >> going. >> to happen. mr. trump originally justified the tariffs under an emergency law to combat. >> the alleged. >> threat of fentanyl, but he claimed. tuesday the tariffs are needed because we pay subsidies to canada and mexico of hundreds of. >> billions of. >> dollars and have very large deficits with both of them. that sounds. like white house

protectionist in chief peter navarro. he and his boss love tariffs for their own sake. meanwhile, the tariff barrage is causing economic uncertainty and slowing investment. a real thrill a minute. steve rattner, you know. >> well, you were the. >> car czar under president obama. so if you could talk about what the uncertainty means for these industries, even beyond the car industry. >> are businesses. >> like all of us, has to always confront and deal with uncertainty. uncertainty is simply part of life. >> and part. >> of being a good executive is. >> you make choices. >> you weigh. >> the pros, the cons, the. >> likelihoods. >> the unlikelihoods, and then you make a decision. >> when you introduce something like. a haphazard government policy, on top of that, you're simply compounding the challenge for business to make the right decisions, to get cars to the right places, to make the right. >> kind of. >> cars. >> to charge the. >> right prices.

>> for them, and. >> so on. >> and. >> so forth. and so all of what the president's been doing, where first. >> you know. >> you. >> run ten. >> yards forward and. >> then you go. >> two yards back and then. >> you go left and then you go right is simply introducing a level of uncertainty. >> that's really. >> hard for business. the car industry. >> is. >> particularly complicated. because what most people. perhaps don't know is that they don't. >> simply make. >> a. >> car in mexico. >> and bring it here. >> we make parts here sometimes that. >> are sent. >> to mexico. they do some stuff to it. it's called a subassembly. then it's sent back. >> to. >> the us. they do some more stuff. >> to it. >> it goes. >> back to mexico. >> then it goes into the car. and then the car. comes here and the same thing happens with canada. and so because of nafta actually, which removed these tariff barriers, it allowed the car companies to produce the parts. >> of the. >> cars in the places where it is most. efficient to produce them and assemble them in the places where it was most efficient to produce them. and now you put kind of a blockade in a road. and so you have to go around in a different road, and

it just makes it more complicated and obviously it makes it more expensive. the estimates are 7 to $10,000 per additional car if and when all these tariffs go into effect. but this also obviously. >> demonstrates sort. >> of log rolling. >> and decision making. >> you know, on the fly in the trump administration. somebody calls up, say, okay, you can have relief, and then somebody else calls up and will. >> give you relief. >> and it's it is just the antithesis of what business wants from government. which is ironic, of course, because this administration said they were going to come in and really help business and get the country moving again and all that sort of stuff. >> to that. >> point. >> jonathan. >> as we know. >> covering this man as a. >> politician now for almost a decade, it's often. the last person he talked. >> to on the phone with the ceo of. >> a. >> car company, calls. >> him up, flatters. >> him a little bit and say, hey, this is really going to. >> hit us. it's going to. >> hurt. >> american workers. >> it's going to raise. >> prices for consumers. >> can you give. >> us a break? >> and then trump.

>> says, all right, give these. guys a break. >> how do you read this pause. >> a one. >> month pause. >> and we can talk. >> to steve. >> about what that means exactly. >> after a month. >> is this him watching the. >> stock market? >> is it him hearing. >> from ceos? >> is it him worrying that. >> oh. >> maybe. >> i jumped. >> too far too fast? >> it's a little. >> bit of all of that. >> willie i'm told. so i spoke to some people in the trump orbit yesterday within the west wing. >> who they acknowledge. >> that the stock. >> market has rattled them somewhat. >> the so. >> many of these cable news networks have the little graphic in the corner there showing the declines on wall. >> street over. >> the last. >> couple of days. >> it's been a pretty. >> significant sell off. >> and we know that. >> this president. >> in particular, sort. >> of almost judges the. health of the. >> economy by the. >> stock market. he's very quick to take credit when it's doing. >> well. >> and he tries. >> not to talk about it. >> publicly when it's. >> not doing well. >> but certainly there are some private anxieties. >> and to your. >> point. >> a moment. >> ago. exactly right. if he is susceptible. >> to flattery, to lobbying efforts. >> there have been some. >> big businesses and. ceos who are making are making their. >> case to. him as to.

>> why this is not. >> necessarily a good idea. we also heard. >> in the last couple of days some. republicans willing to, shall we say, tentatively sound use their own voices to suggest that, well, maybe these tariffs aren't. >> necessarily the best idea. >> we've had lawmakers, including some senators. >> ask for carveouts. >> like, don't. don't tariff these products because that would be bad for my constituents. we heard majority leader thune. >> this earlier. >> this week say, expressed the hope that these tariffs are temporary, sort of leaning into the. idea that they're they're just a negotiating tactic. and trump can get a couple of wins and then take them off again. but we also know that this is something he does believe in. and if he stubbornly sticks with them for a while. i'm curious, what do you think republicans you speak to? could there be a louder. >> chorus of. >> voices saying, you know, hey, we got to reconsider this? >> yeah. and there was more. >> tepid applause. >> to that bit of the address to congress on tuesday night. >> than to other bits of. >> the address. >> to congress. so you can. sense that republicans. >> don't. >> love this. >> of course. >> lots of them are free market economists. >> they come from that old. >> school of economics. they

don't want their own constituents to be hit. >> by more inflation. >> sam. >> what's it going to take to put it to you? >> because i'm hearing. >> you need. >> 8 to. >> 10 republican. >> senators really to be able to. do anything. >> in terms of criticism because. >> they all need. >> air cover, right? they can't. >> do it if there's only 2 or 3. >> of them, that's not enough. >> the question is. >> you know. >> what point. do any of. >> these policies. >> and the tariffs. >> are one of them? at what point do any of these policies hit consumers enough. >> voters, enough their. voters enough that they would have. a interest. >> in sticking. >> their heads up against. >> above the parapet? >> i don't know. the stock market obviously stumbling is a problem for them. i think we saw some pushback on the idea that they would reverse the chips act, which is a huge domestic manufacturing investment, which a number of them had signed on to and co-sponsored. and they want that money in their districts. but it's just these policies, and this governance is structured in a way that makes it particularly difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. and by that, it's just the system is ripe for corruption, right? if donald trump can, on a whim, decide, you know what,

we're going to have an exemption for this. >> because the. >> first time. >> around, yes, of course, the farmers got bailed out the exemptions left. >> and right. >> and really it's like, well, if you've. >> called donald trump on the right. >> moment or if you've. managed to score. >> the right hit. >> on fox and friends and he happened to see you, or if you've donated to his political action committee, yeah, you can get a carve out. but it's not just the tariffs, right? i mean, this is the same exact situation. >> we're now seeing with. >> doge, in which elon musk goes to the hill yesterday. republicans complain about these cuts because they're. >> affecting their. >> home districts. and elon says, well, you know what? call me and we can reverse the cuts. so we have a system in which two individuals basically get to decide at a whim that the policies that they're implementing can get reversed for the people that they like, and it doesn't work holistically. so if you're a business that isn't in trump's favor, if you're a democratic congressman who doesn't. >> have. >> elon musk cell phone, you're out of luck. >> and now. >> china is responding to. president trump's. tariffs with. >> a. >> warning it. is ready. it says, for any type. >> of war with the united states. that message.

>> posted by. >> the official. >> account of the. chinese embassy. >> in. >> the. >> united states, following president. trump's address to congress. >> on tuesday. >> writing, quote, if war is what the u.s. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war, or any other type of war, we're ready to fight. >> till the end. >> end quote. china announced. >> retaliatory tariffs of up to. >> 15% on u.s. farm. >> products beginning on. >> march 10th. >> after trump. >> levied an. additional 10%. >> tariffs on chinese imports. >> earlier this week. defense secretary. >> pete hegseth reacted to china's. >> warning during an. >> interview with fox news yesterday. >> well. >> we're we're prepared. those who long for peace must prepare for war. we are, we are. that's why we're rebuilding our military. that's why we're reestablishing deterrence. and the warrior ethos. is because we live in a dangerous world with powerful, ascendant countries with very different ideologies. >> china also. >> is increasing defense spending. by more than 7%. so, steve. >> rattner, we can put the war talk, the. >> actual fighting, talk to the.

>> side for just a second and focus on the trade piece of this. which is the retaliatory tariffs are also going to cripple american businesses. we heard from the. >> kentucky bourbon. >> distillery association yesterday as one example, saying we cannot afford as an industry. >> to. >> have these 25% tariffs coming. >> back at us from canada. >> and from mexico. >> where we sell so much of what we do, we're going. >> to lose jobs. >> it's going to cost every day hard americans, their livelihoods. so what do you think is. >> the impact of those retaliatory tariffs. >> be it china, canada or. >> mexico. >> in response. >> to president trump? >> it's quite. >> significant, willie. look, it is it is something you do have to acknowledge that we don't sell as much stuff to them as they sell to us. so there's more things we can put tariffs on. they can put we can put tariffs on them. they can put tariffs on. but that said there's plenty of damage they can do to us. agriculture is a good example. i'll show you some charts in a little bit about how much soybeans and corn we export

versus how much we import. and there's, there's and last time around, the chinese did punish us pretty severely in terms of our agricultural exports. there's also things besides tariffs that they can do that chinese and chinese have been doing in terms of restricting the ability of american companies to do business there, in terms of restricting other ways in which we make money off of china. there's plenty of things these countries can do. and what i've seen, what i've noticed and what's been, i think, a little bit scary in a way, is that the canadians, the mexicans and the chinese are all basically saying, we're not going to take this lying down and we're going to do whatever it takes to defend ourselves and, and our economies. and so this is this is bad. and look, we all trade when it occurs in a free and fair way, which it mostly did, contrary to what donald trump thinks is a positive for all sides. we get less expensive goods, they get jobs for their people, and it

all works well. and to go down this rabbit hole of de-globalization where everybody pulls back is enormously costly to the economy, to our economy and everybody's economy. it's going to raise prices significantly. it's going to cost us jobs in the end. and it's a it's a bad state of affairs for the world. yeah. >> and canada. >> has said to. >> your point that. >> they'll keep their tariffs in place as long as any us tariffs are in effect. and president. trump threatening more retaliatory tariffs in the weeks ahead. and mika, that just. sort of adds up to this huge sense of real uncertainty and unease. >> on the. economy because of. these tariffs. >> that bellicose rhetoric from. >> from china. >> and also the sense. >> within washington as to who. >> even who even will be able to hang on to their. >> jobs and the impact it will have on constituents, whether. >> in. >> red or blue states. >> uncertainty all. >> around. >> and you have to imagine, is that the plan? just chaos and uncertainty. the department of veterans affairs plans to cut

more than 80,000 jobs as part of the trump administration's scaling back of the federal workforce. in a memo sent out on tuesday, the va's chief of staff outlined an agency wide reduction with a goal to, quote, resize and tailor. >> the workforce. >> to the mission. it also says the va's objective is to return to its 2019 workforce. numbers of just under 400,000 employees, which means most of the additional staffing added under the biden administration to supplement veterans benefits under the pact act could be eliminated. the trump administration has already fired more than 2400 employees at the department. of course, this impacting veterans, a federal civil service board is ordering the department of agriculture to rehire more than 5000 workers laid off as part of the trump administration's efforts to slash the federal workforce. the

merit systems protection board issued the order after the office of special counsel found the agency acted illegally in firing probationary employees, who all received identical termination letters informing them that they've been let go based on their performance. the stay means fired employees must be reinstated for at least the next 45 days, while an investigation continues. the ruling only affects the usda, but other agencies have carried out similar mass firings. >> of probationary. >> employees, meaning the order could have a wider impact. meanwhile, a federal judge has blocked the trump administration from carrying out steep cuts to research funding at the national institutes of health. the judge issued a nationwide preliminary injunction yesterday, arguing the funding cuts would cause irreparable. >> harm and chaos.

>> this comes after nearly 2000 states filed lawsuits claiming the cuts were unlawful and would lead to layoffs and lab closures, and could endanger patients. so, sam, you've. >> been digging into the. >> brain drain from the federal government. depending on who's fired when. it does seem so sloppy. and almost from tariffs to these cuts like self sabotage, unless the plan is sort of to tank the economy and increase unemployment. >> well, it's definitely sabotage. and i do you read the setbacks that the administration has suffered and people might say, well that's good, right. like in some of these cuts are being reversed. these people are going to get jobs. but the idea that this hasn't had a profound destabilizing impact is just not true. so let's just take the nih indirect costs cap. yes, it's

been put on hold by courts. but i've talked to people across multiple universities who are not hiring graduate assistants or faculty members in anticipation or just because of being prudent that that cat might be reinstated. right. if you're looking if your university and you say, oh my god, yeah, it's fine for now, but in a month i may have to give up tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars in direct cost support from the government. i can't hire people right now. look at the other hirings at the usaid. some grant money awards have been put back online. but the people who are ministering those awards can't get operational because they already fired people who do the award in the grant work in the field. and even if they were to rehire people, there are other contractors that depend on to do their work who are still fired. so all this is haphazard, messy, whatever adjective you want to apply to it, is it a terribly inefficient way to run the government? and it begs the question, why couldn't the administration have just come in, work through the proper

legal channels, even downsized agencies in legally permissible ways, restructured them, and avoided all this court mess? and the only answer that i have is that they wanted this. they wanted the chaos. >> yeah. and we know that donald trump came. in wanting a fight and wanted to be seen as a disrupter. and the. >> message he. >> took away from the first administration. >> is if you don't move fast, you get. >> bogged down. >> by the bureaucracy. >> and that's. >> part of the reason. >> really, that we've seen this speed. >> but it. >> has led to. >> this legal chaos. >> and i. >> guess it. >> it also. >> leads the question a little bit like we were talking. about tariffs. at what point does he start getting so much pushback from people around the country, republicans. around the country. >> elected members around. >> the country. >> that this is disquieting. >> we've seen. >> the thing about. >> the town halls. >> now. >> some of. >> that may have been people from outside their own. districts that might not help democrats very much if they're bussing people into. >> these town. >> halls, as. >> some republicans. >> have said. >> but it's. certainly republicans that i've spoken to have said, look, there. >> are two areas. >> where if you're if you're cutting parks.

>> and if you're cutting. anything to do with. >> veterans. >> then there is real disquiet amongst their. >> republican constituents. >> i think donald. trump is starting to realize that elon musk's popularity could be a problem. >> for him going forward. >> unpopularity could. >> be a problem. >> for him. >> and the message. >> is not. >> subtle, is it? when you have elon musk in sunglasses, holding a chainsaw. >> proudly saying, i'm the guy. who's hacking away at all these jobs on behalf. >> of. >> donald trump. and now. >> the campaign. >> ads, right? >> yes. without question. >> without question. >> we'll talk more about all this, including another court. challenge today to that, the usaid cuts as well. >> still ahead this. >> morning, a live report from tel. aviv as the u.s. holds unprecedented talks with hamas, breaking a long held position of not negotiating with terrorists. morning joe. >> is coming. >> back. >> back. >> in 90s. at bombas we make the most comfortable sock in the history of feet so comfortable you'll wish you had more

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less than four months before the june primary, as the new york times reports. she's hoping to position herself as a principled and scandal free alternative to the incumbent, eric adams, and the presumptive favorite, former governor andrew cuomo. and for the second time in less than a week, a private spacecraft is about to land on the moon. the robotic lander was developed by a tech company based in texas. it's about the size of a dishwasher and will spend a week looking for the possible presence of frozen water below the surface. a separate robotic lander touched down on the lunar surface this past sunday. and turning to developments now out of the middle east, where us and hamas officials have been holding direct talks in qatar. white house press secretary caroline leavitt has confirmed reports. the presidential envoy for hostage affairs met with hamas officials in recent weeks. this is the first time the u.s.

has engaged directly with hamas since it was designated a terrorist organization in 1997. leavitt was asked about that shift in policy. >> if the u.s. has a long standing. >> policy that. >> we do not negotiate with terrorists, then why is the us now negotiating directly? and for the first time ever with hamas? >> well, when it comes to the negotiations that you're referring to, first of all, the special envoy who's engaged in those negotiations. >> does have the authority. >> to talk to anyone. israel was consulted on. >> this matter. >> and look, dialog. >> and talking. >> to people around the world to. >> do what's in the best. interest of the american. >> people is. something that the president. >> has proven is. >> what he believes is, is good faith, effort to do what's right for the american people. >> press secretary. >> did not get into details about what was discussed between the two parties, but a. >> pair of sources. tell axios the meeting is focused. on the release of american hostages, as

well as that long term. truce with israel. >> meanwhile, president. >> trump is issuing what he says is the last warning to hamas to release the remaining 59 hostages still being held. >> in gaza. in a. >> post to truth social, the president. wrote release all. >> of the hostages now. >> or it is. >> over for you. >> that comment. >> came after the after. >> trump met with eight. >> former hostages. >> according to the white house. >> the president. >> listened to their stories. >> and the group thanked. >> him for his efforts in securing their release. for more now, let's bring in nbc news international correspondent matt bradley live in tel aviv. so, matt, what more do we know about these conversations between the trump administration and hamas? >> yeah, well, precious little willie. >> as you. >> heard from the. >> white house spokesman, we. >> haven't actually heard anything. really about the details. >> npr reported that these conversations. >> may have. >> started back in january. >> and it's. >> possible they heard this from hamas. >> it's possible. >> that this might. >> have even started under the

previous administration of. >> joe biden. >> but this is a real big diplomatic. >> bombshell, as you mentioned. >> you know, the united states is enjoined to not speak. >> with designated terrorists. >> that's been really. >> the convention. >> but the fact. >> is, is. >> as caroline. >> leavitt. >> the spokeswoman for the white house, said. >> this is. >> the hostage negotiator who. >> is doing this speaking. >> so this is i. >> suppose this. is allowed. under international. law and under us. >> law to be. >> able to speak. >> with designated terrorists. >> now, whether or not. this gets. >> any gain. >> that's unclear. this is going to. >> be focused. >> on the of the. >> 59 hostages. >> who are still remaining. >> in the gaza. >> strip. >> the about five of them are americans. >> only one. american is. >> still alive. >> aiden alexander. >> and so these are. >> going to be focused on the americans. >> this was something that. >> had actually been mentioned. >> by the biden. >> administration before. >> that they. >> might consider speaking. >> directly to hamas in. >> order to try to get those americans. >> out after they became. frustrated with israel's, you know, intractable position. >> when it came to. peace negotiations or some sort of peace treaty. that treaty has

now been in. place since late january. just about. >> a day. before trump. >> took office. >> and has freed quite a few hostages and. quite a few. >> palestinian prisoners. >> in israeli jails. but, you know, this new embrace of diplomatic expansiveness that we're seeing from the administration kind of goes both ways as well. a right wing member. >> of the israeli. >> cabinet, bezalel smotrich, he's the finance minister and has. >> been since 2022. >> he was, you. >> know. >> essentially persona non grata in washington, not in. >> any. >> official capacity. but people weren't speaking. >> to him. he's a. >> settler in a settlement in the west bank that is considered. >> to be. >> a settlement that. >> is. >> illegal under. international law. he has been in washington and he's been having meetings. so a lot of this now is changing. we're seeing this new. >> administration taking. >> a new initiative to speak to just about everybody, and not just. >> hamas, but also. >> lawmakers on the. >> far right. >> so we're seeing. >> a big change. and again.

>> the question becomes whether or not this is actually going to affect any change on the ground. we're at a critical moment for that because right now we saw the very end just on saturday of. >> the. >> first phase. >> of that treaty. >> between hamas. >> and israel that was pushed forward. >> by the trump administration. >> even before. >> trump came to office. >> it was under the terms that the biden administration. >> had. >> been negotiating for the better part of the past year. now that first phase has reached an end. the israelis have made clear that they don't want to negotiate on to a second phase that would see a more permanent sort of treaty in the gaza strip, and it would eventually see the full and final withdrawal of israeli troops from. >> the gaza strip. >> instead. >> hamas has. >> said they want to see negotiations moving on to the second phase of the treaty. the israelis have said that they want to see a seven week extension of the first part of that treaty, which saw weekly exchanges of hostages held in the gaza strip for palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. so once again, we're reaching a critical impasse. >> and a. >> threat that we could see war

renew in the gaza strip, willie. >> and that one american. >> hostage still being held, aiden. >> alexander, a young man from new jersey. >> still with gaza. >> and hopefully. >> he gets home soon. nbc's matt bradley live for us in tel aviv. matt. >> thanks so much. >> we appreciate it. so, john, obviously this is it's always a delicate time in this negotiation between the two. but now a conversation between the trump administration and hamas on the one hand. on the other hand, the president united states posting on his social media account that hamas better come to the table, better stop what it's doing or it's over for you. fair to ask what he means by that? exactly. >> yeah, a little bit of a carrot and stick approach, it would seem here. >> and we also in the last. >> day or so as part of this, we've heard from some of the gulf states with their own suggestions about how to rebuild gaza and the future of that enclave because they so oppose president trump's suggestion that it be cleared out of the palestinians who live there and then redeveloped. israel has backed that. israel now opposes.

>> what the gulf. >> states are suggesting instead. but this is i mean, we should take trump. you know, this post yesterday came right after. >> he met these families of the of the hostages, of those. >> who had been there. it was an. >> emotional meeting. >> i am told. so it's. >> hard. >> to know. exactly if there'll be follow through to what he said yesterday. but these are, these are this is not. >> the first. >> time. >> he has issued. >> a stark warning. >> to hamas, saying this conflict. >> needs to end. these hostages need to be released. >> or there could be real punishment. and he said that israel. >> will get whatever it. >> wants in terms of weaponry. we know the biden administration briefly. >> paused some of the heavy. >> armaments that could change. maybe even more. arms would. >> head to israel. >> to conduct the battle. if indeed the war reignites. >> so something. >> to. >> watch there. >> and i know where. >> you are right now. you know, nervous people watching in the region. >> absolutely. and coming up, we're going to debunk some of the claims president trump made during his joint address to

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>> welcome back. so i'm in abu dhabi for the know your value in forbes fourth annual 3050 summit, just ahead of international women's day, which is on saturday. it's a global event that creates cross-generational alliances and cross-cultural alliances to provide guidance and insights to women at every stage of their lives and careers, while also offering diverse perspectives and rich cultural immersion. we have women from 46 countries here at this summit. earlier today, i interviewed emmy award winning actress sheryl lee ralph about her career and advocacy work. and tomorrow, sheryl will receive the know your value award at a special ceremony at the louvre abu dhabi. now, this year's 3050 summit falls during the holy month of ramadan, where muslims in the region and around the world observe a month of

fasting, prayer and reflection. so to honor and experience this important time of year, later tonight we will participate in iftar, the meal enjoyed after breaking fast. the event will take place at the abrahamic family house, a complex dedicated to the. pursuit of peaceful coexistence. we'll have a lot more for you tomorrow as we gear up for our award ceremony and town hall event. and later in today's show, we'll have a special report from nbc's chloe melas. who's here? she has a report all about this summit. in the meantime, here's a little bit from my incredible conversation with sheryl lee ralph about the importance of women advocating for themselves and literally taking a seat in the front row. >> too often, women get comfortable sitting in the back seat, right? you figure, oh, well, that's all right. let them shine. let them go. right. you better move yourself right up

front. i think in my life. what if rosa parks had was very satisfied sitting in the back? rosa parks at one point said, you know what? i'm sick and tired of having less. let me move myself to the front seat. and her moving herself literally to the front seat changed everything for generations of people, not just women. move yourself to the front seat. >> there are three, four empty seats. >> what? >> no. >> here we go. >> look how slow. >> come on. okay, bring some seats up. all right. a lot more on that ahead. >> back to the news. >> now we're taking a closer look at president trump's joint address to congress. steve rattner is back with more fact checks. there are a lot. steve, first up, president trump doubled down on one of his biggest campaign promises, which is making his 2017 tax cuts permanent. watch.

>> we're seeking permanent income tax cuts all across the board. and to get urgently needed relief to americans hit especially hard by inflation, i'm calling for no tax on tips, no tax on overtime and no tax on social security benefits for our great seniors. and i also want to make interest payments on car loans tax deductible, but only if the car is made in america. >> okay okay okay. so steve, you say that's impossible to do with the house republicans budget proposal. >> yeah. look, trump hands out, hands out tax cuts like they were halloween candy. but then at some point, the you got to deal with the reality of what that all adds up to. so let's take a look at the reality that chickens are coming home to roost on that. so he's talking about no tax on social security,

no tax on overtime, no tax on tips, no tax on interest, loans on cars made here. these are billions and billions of dollars of tax cuts. simply extending his existing tax cuts, the ones that he passed in 2017 down here would cost over $4 trillion. the house budget committee has only allocated $4.5 trillion for all the tax cuts. so you could do this, which he's completely committed to. but how the rest of this happens, including a full deduction of the state and local taxes, is impossible. this is almost $8 trillion worth of tax cuts. so this is an empty promise. can't happen. won't happen. >> and one of the things. >> that drew. >> well let's say shock. surprise. some mockery from the address the other night was president trump, given what you've laid out there, promising to balance the budget. here's that moment from the address. >> and in the near future, i want to do what has not been

done in 24 years. balance the federal budget. we're going to balance that. >> steve. >> how. does he. >> plan to do that? >> well, first of all, in his first term, he planned not only to balance the budget, but to pay off all the national debt. that didn't work so well. he added a ton of national debt. but let's look at how it is going to work this time. so we are looking at what we call a base case without anything else happening. we're looking at deficits a bit below 2 trillion, going all the way up to 3 trillion over the next ten years, a total already. these dark green bars of $20 trillion of additional debt. the budget plan that i just described would add another two and a half, roughly trillion dollars of debt. so instead of balancing the budget and paying down the debt, he's creating more deficits. all these deficits and adding $22.5 trillion to the debt. >> all right. so president trump addressed tariffs the other day and said they would. >> be. >> positive for the auto industry. yeah.

>> deals are being made. never seen. that's a combination of the election win and tariffs. it's a beautiful word isn't it. that along with our other policies will allow our auto industry to absolutely boom. it's going to boom. spoke to the majors today. all three the top people. and they're so excited. >> tariffs is a beautiful word. at other times he. said it's. his favorite word. and steve but we also know yesterday he's already backed. off some of the. tariffs for the auto industry. what are your charts say. >> well he may think it's a beautiful word. he may think the auto industry is going to boom. neither the auto companies nor the stock market see it that way. so here's a chart of stock prices for ford, ford and general motors since the inauguration day. compared to the overall market, the overall market we know has come down. still up here. ford and general motors kind of went off a cliff after inauguration, down 10% for general motors, about 7.5% for

ford. and here's a quote from the ford ceo before yesterday. tariffs will blow a hole in the industry that we have never seen. and so he said in his speech just now that he had spoken to all three automakers and they were happy. well, a day later they called the white house and said, no, we're really not so happy. we need you to at least pause these tariffs and hopefully get rid of them. >> so trump also touched on how tariffs, a different set of tariffs may affect america's farm workers. let's listen to some of that. >> our new trade policy will also be great for the american farmer i love the farmer. >> yeah. >> who will now be selling into our home market, the usa, because nobody is going to be able to compete with you. >> he later said. >> that farmers go have fun. >> but steve. >> you say that they'll lose a huge market to actually sell their goods. >> well, he may love the farmers. i'm not so sure they love him at the moment. let's

just go back to trump one for a second, because he also put tariffs on, as you remember then. and there were retaliatory tariffs in 2018 and 19. the government collected a total of $50 billion from all the tariffs that we imposed on things coming into this country. we then gave back $24.5 billion to the farmers to compensate them for their lost exports. so that did not go so well. let's see why. we export a huge amount of soybeans, 7.7 billion and even more of corn, 13.1 billion. we export virtually none of it. so if we lose these exports, this stuff stays in the american market. americans are already buying all the soybeans and corn they want to buy. so i don't really see how this is great for american farmers, how this sort of allows them to, quote, sell things at home when we're already selling everything we can at home, and sending the rest of it overseas is one of our major exports.

>> so let's keep going with this. president trump also the other night slammed u.s. aid to ukraine during his address to congress. >> we've spent perhaps $350 billion like taking candy from a baby. that's what happened. and they've spent $100 billion. what a difference that is. >> before we get. >> to your. >> charts, we should note, of course, the next day the trump administration paused intel sharing with ukraine and what's happened since. russia has only increased its bombardment of ukrainian cities. now ukraine tries to defend itself with less information. but steve, turning back to what the president said there tonight, talk to us there about your chart. >> this is one of the most weird and surprising ones, jonathan. he's used those figures over and over and over again. he's been corrected by me and 100 other people over and over and over again, and he still keeps using it. so we'll try one more time. maybe he's watching. maybe someone will finally get him to say what is actually true. he

claims $350 billion spent by the us and ukraine. the real number $120 billion. and as you say paused. and just to make a mention the reason this line isn't as continuous as this line is because of huge fights in the us over aid to ukraine, a lot of opposition. eventually we did do it. europe $138 billion more than us not 100 billion as he claimed. and by the way, europe at the moment is putting together a massive amount of additional aid. and as you just alluded to, we are cutting back on what we are doing for the ukrainians. >> and lastly, president. trump touted. elon musk's. >> department of. >> government efficiency during its address. here's what trump claimed. >> we found hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud. >> all right, steve, has d.o.j. found anywhere near as much fraud as trump claims? >> well, it was kind of mind

numbing the other night to listen to trump list those programs one by one by one that he's found and make fun of them and so forth. they were only in the millions of dollars. and when you actually add up everything doge has claimed and also the doge reality, you get a very different picture. so on february 17th, doge claimed that they had found 8.5 billion, not hundreds of billions, $8.5 billion of savings. i'm not going to go through this whole chart, but basically a bunch of that stuff just disappeared from their website. $2.7 billion here, for example. and when you get down to the bottom at the moment, anyway, all doge is claiming is $2.3 billion from contracts that have been terminated and another 2.5 billion that they say they're in the middle of doing. and so $4.8 billion of total of total fraud, so-called fraud or or contracts canceled. so forth, less than what they said at the beginning. and obviously, just like the tiniest little fraction of what

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>> live. look at the capitol a few minutes before the top of the hour. congressional republicans were reportedly caught off guard when president trump attacked the chips and science act during his joint address. >> your chips act is a horrible, horrible thing. we give hundreds of billions of dollars and it doesn't mean a thing. they take our money and they don't spend it. you should get rid of the chip act and whatever's left over. mr. speaker, you should use it to reduce debt or any other reason you want to. >> well, members of the party

instinctively stood up and clapped. in the moment, there's actually little momentum among gop lawmakers to repeal the bipartisan legislation. nbc news reports though republicans were aware of trump's opposition to the legislation, senior lawmakers were not given a heads up that trump would make those demands during his joint address, and they have no plans to take up a repeal of the law anytime soon. the chips act passed with more support from both parties and was signed into law by president biden in 2022. it allocated billions of dollars in funding to boost production of semiconductors and chips in the united states. it also increased funding for research and development. house speaker mike johnson told reporters yesterday he would wait to see how president trump handles the legislation when the white house reveals its budget proposal. but some republican senators that voted for the bill are speaking

out. >> the chips and science act. >> at least the. >> chips portion. >> has mostly. >> been implemented. >> it's been one of the. >> greatest successes. >> of our time. >> generally speaking. >> i want. >> to bring chip manufacturing here, but if he's got a different way to do it, i'm open minded. support, repeal. >> i don't think that's. >> likely to happen. >> all right, john, joining us now, the host of way too early ali vitali white house correspondent for reuters, jeff mason and msnbc political analyst elise jordan. so, ali, they seem a little caught off guard there. >> they were caught off guard there, especially because this is a bipartisan bill that was then later being built upon just in the last week or so, trump announcing more investments into the production of semiconductors and chips. so as i was talking yesterday, as i was talking yesterday with congresswoman haley stevens, who is someone that backed this bill, but then also was hoping to build upon it

in bipartisan fashion during this congress. she said she spoke with republican senators who were very flummoxed by this. and you can even see it from the conversations that they're having there on the hill, the instinctive clapping and then the wait, what was that? as republicans are again trying to orient themselves within trump's washington. but jeff, again, this is something that the white house was building on the investment structure that the chips act actually created for them just a few years ago. >> and as we've already said, it was bipartisan. it's something that both sides have seen as a success. i think politically, it's also kind of another example of all things that were. biden for trump are. >> bad. >> and he doesn't distinguish between things that were just democratic efforts or just biden white house efforts, but also something that had support from both sides of the aisle. and that has this common goal of bringing chips manufacturing back to the united states, which is an economically positive thing regardless of who's in the white house. >> how much. >> communication is there at the. >> moment between. >> the white house and republican members. on something

like this? and who would. >> have got. >> a heads up? how much pushback is there starting to be from. >> members on the house. >> when they're. >> not happy. >> with something. the white house is announcing? >> right. so there is communication, right? they are in touch with hill constantly, but that doesn't mean it's always constructive or always fruitful. in particular, over the past couple of days and weeks, what we've seen is that republicans feel like doge and elon musk have just kind of gone. >> off the. >> rails a little bit, that they're making. these indiscriminate cuts. to programs and to personnel in ways that are affecting their constituents and their districts. and so yesterday, elon musk's on the hill, and he's getting an earful from both house and senate republicans. a respectful earful, i should say, about that. they need more coordination, that they need to get a heads up when some cut is going to happen. and musk's response to them is, look, i don't bat a thousand like i can't. not everyone can hit him out of the park. and here's my cell phone number, in case you

want me to reverse a cut that i've made. now, of course, that's the most idiotic way to do governance. you should probably have a better plan on the front end before reversing it on the back end, but that's what the system is. and i will just say, and i'll leave it here. the frustration is not just from republicans on the hill towards musk. it's from trump allies off the hill towards musk, because they want to actually reduce the government in a longstanding comprehensive and in a way that will stand the test of time. and they believe that musk is doing this in a way that is actually going to fail, because it would be being done by courts and then reversed when the next president, democratic president, comes into office. >> yeah. and you make the point of what's happening on the hill as musk physically went there yesterday, billionaire elon musk meeting with senate republicans behind closed doors to discuss the sweeping cuts that his doge team is making across government agencies. during that meeting, senators reportedly told musk not just the frustrations that you're talking about, sam, but that his department's aggressive moves to shrink the federal workforce will need a vote at some point on capitol hill, which everyone has been saying.

senators explained how congress could codify those cuts by passing a rescission package, which is an obscure legislative tool, according to nbc news, multiple senators and musk were surprised to learn there was a viable legislative pathway to making those cuts permanent, senator lindsey graham told reporters musk was so happy when he heard the news, he pumped his fists and dance. and, you know, credit to my colleagues and friends in the capitol hill press corps who said, hey, elon musk, if you're giving out your phone number, you want to give it to us. i think a lot of us have questions about how this is actually being implemented here. jeff. >> also, just. >> such an. >> interesting example. of government 101. >> that. >> the this top advisor now to president trump is learning that, oh, there's actually a legislative way to do this. there's a there's a way to do this that's legal that might actually be permanent to achieve some of the goals that he's trying to achieve on behalf of the president. but he's been doing so far in a way that is not landing well with republicans or democrats. >> yeah, there's a legislative branch. yeah. >> power of the purse. >> right.

>> and let's talk about the. >> democrats for a minute. >> because they. >> after james carville's op ed saying. >> they should. >> play possum. >> and then we. >> saw them. at the state. >> of the union, sort of state of the union. >> with some dissent. >> in a kind. of a. >> slightly weird way. >> what's the what's the. >> current thinking. >> jeff. >> amongst democrats. on what. >> the strategy. >> is, as. >> i know they're hoping that there's overreach. they're hoping that. >> you know, something happens with medicaid that. spooks voters. >> but is. >> that a kind of wishful thinking on behalf of the democrats? >> i think just. >> given the polling. >> around the doge. >> issues in the. >> country still. >> yeah. >> i. think just. >> watching that address, which was not officially a state of the union and watching the response from the democrats, underscores the fact that they're not all on the same page and that there isn't really. >> a strategy. >> there isn't a singular leader, there isn't a singular figurehead. you had some people wearing pink. you had others holding these little paddles. >> that was. >> basically the split between

the. >> progressive caucus. >> and. >> the centrists. >> that's certainly part of it. and i think it's also just a sign of the fact that the party is in the wilderness. they had a they had an opportunity that night to show a little bit of resistance. it's the first time, really, since president trump's inauguration that they also had a spotlight, and it just didn't work. >> well. >> jonathan lemire, you know, there's been this conventional wisdom almost from the beginning of the relationship that donald trump would sour on elon musk, that this this town isn't big enough for the two of them, that his ego wouldn't allow him to have so much of the spotlight. and yet he has him stand up in cabinet meetings and hold court. he seems to like having him around. he, of course, invited him to the joint session the other night and gave him a. they gave him a standing ovation up there in the gallery. what is your sense from your reporting about how this relationship is going and the job he thinks elon musk is. >> doing now? i'm told. >> right now the relationship is. >> still pretty solid, that. >> trump is. very flattered. >> remains flattered at musk's willingness to work for him. this is the world's richest

person, and yet he is taking a secondary role to donald trump. we know how much trump respects wealth. he also does think. >> i'm told. >> musk is largely doing a good job. there's been some frustration in trump's inner circle. chief of staff siouxsie wiles and others about how musk is going about. >> doing this. >> but trump feels like he hasn't. he hasn't agreed with everything, but has largely backed what musk has been. >> up. >> to this point. and also, i think this is important. fair or not, trump views musk as sort of a heat shield. >> that he's taking. >> a lot of the criticism, including. >> from republicans. we heard it yesterday on the hill. >> that trump does therefore not have to take elise, that he's sort of provided a little bit, a little bit of protection. now. >> everyone i. >> talked to in the trump orbit thinks eventually. this bromance will probably peter out, whether it's an. abrupt firing or simply musk eventually leaves. i don't think we should expect musk to be in there all four years, but right now anyway, they. >> think he's doing something useful. but my question to you is, it seems like some of the

other republicans might be starting to disagree. >> well, they're the ones who are having to go back to their districts, into their. >> constituencies and. >> answer for the. >> sweeping. >> draconian cuts and. >> for there being no notice. >> and for people. >> to be. >> out on the street. and worrying about how. >> they are. >> going to pay their mortgages once their job at the social security administration. >> or at the. >> national. >> you know, whether they're. >> a. >> weather forecaster. >> or if they're. >> at work. >> for the faa. so there are different answers. >> that constituents. >> are looking. >> for that. >> these congressmen and senators, they. >> don't have. >> ready answers for. >> and i think. >> that's why the. >> meeting yesterday. >> hopefully was a little. >> bit of a shock at all for elon musk to see. >> the kind of reality that. >> politicians have to. >> deal with, for him to actually go through with his sweeping doge agenda. >> and then. >> there are. >> the tariffs. >> canadian prime minister justin trudeau is not willing to lift canada's retaliatory tariffs on the united states. if

president trump leaves any u.s. tariffs. >> on canada. >> that's according to one senior canadian official. president trump spoke to the prime minister on the phone yesterday, reportedly saying any canadian effort to reduce the flow of fentanyl across the u.s. border is, quote, not good enough, the canadian officials said. vice president jd vance and commerce secretary howard lutnick also were on the call. lasted just under an hour, and the discussion between lutnick and trudeau was, quote, pretty exhaustive. both teams agreeing to remain in contact. president trump later posted on social media claiming prime minister trudeau has allowed, quote, tremendous amounts of fentanyl to cross the border. we will note canada contributes to about 0.2% of fentanyl seizures at. >> the. >> us border. trump also accused trudeau of trying to use the tariffs to stay in power, but trudeau announced in january he would be stepping down as canada's prime minister. so katty kay, we heard that strong

language from canada yesterday saying we are excuse me from china, saying we are ready for a trade war or any kind of war, kind of escalating the rhetoric there. and canada and prime minister trudeau saying, we're not giving up on our tariffs until you do, too. i think this is what they call a trade war. >> yeah. >> and of course, we also heard secretary hegseth say on fox that. >> america is. >> also ready for a war. he didn't specify what kind of war with. >> china if that was. >> going to happen. >> sam. >> you know, the canadians. >> are in a. >> as are all. >> american allies are. >> in this position of thinking, how. >> much do. >> you. push back? how much do you not push back? how do you deal with donald trump? but the reality for all of. >> them. >> in the short term at least, is that both american markets and the american security umbrella are just too powerful for them to be able to walk away with. so maybe it's because justin. trudeau is stepping down that he's kind of being able to be tougher, more verbally against donald trump. but the canadians, the europeans, the japanese, the south koreans,

they need the united states. >> no doubt. but it's kind of interesting to see. and again, i'm not a canadian. i haven't spent much time up there reporting, but it is interesting to observe how the country has reacted to this, which is, first of all, we seen the liberal party shoot up in popularity. it was dead and trump has resuscitated it back to life. secondly, we've seen this, you know, this sort of nationalism kind of service in canada. yeah, in a way, yes. that is actually true. and i'm not saying that they're not going to get hurt by the terrorists are clearly going to be hurt by the tariffs. but trudeau has tapped into something, which is they're willing to get hurt in order to put up their spine here, to stiffen their spine here. and you see these pictures of that are circulating on social media, which is really telling of the state owned liquor stores in canada. they've ripped all of the wine and the american booze off their shelves. there's a huge buy canada movement happening up there. they are willing to, you know, suffer some pain for the moment. doesn't mean that it's going to

be, you know, a long standing sacrifice that they're willing to make. but it's interesting to see the political ripple effects happening, at least up north. >> and to preserve their pride in the fact that they are their own country. and very much proud of that. i think, jeff, the other thing that you and i were talking about earlier on, way too early, is just the way that there's so much market volatility around this, because there are still so many questions about what these tariffs actually are going to do. we know, of course, the percentages, but it feels like every single time the white house says no one is going to change our mind on this, we're absolutely doing it. then within a few hours, they say we're going to do it a little differently because someone kind of changed our mind on this. i mean, the auto carve outs are a great example. this is something they were talking about on the hill as a must have in this larger tariff war. took the white house a little bit of time to actually do it, but they made it there at least for a month. what's the next potential carve out that folks are pushing them on, and what details are still lacking here? what questions do you need the white house to answer? >> well, lots of details are. >> still lacking. and that's the question. i mean, the question is spot on that you're asking

what is the next carve out? i spoke to a white house official yesterday who indicated that more were potentially coming, but declined to give any details on what they would be. agriculture is one possibility, multiple. and you're right to say, look how the white house and the president have changed their minds on tariffs, but then come back at the very beginning, he said. these 25% tariffs are going to go in. then they got a pause. then they went into effect this week. but there's a pause for the autos. what comes next. the one thing that he's absolutely said are coming are those reciprocal tariffs. so stay tuned. >> for those. >> at the end of the. day it leads to market volatility. it leads to a lot of uncertainty for business. and these are all constituents that really matter to this republican president. >> jeff you were. >> in the room yesterday for the white house briefing. and you asked press secretary leavitt, when presidents trump and zelensky might sign this minerals deal between the united states and ukraine, we've been hearing so much about. here's what she said. >> those talks. >> are happening as we speak. i just saw the national security advisor. he's working very hard

on it. i believe he was going into the oval office to give the president. >> an update on where. >> this stands. but again, the president is committed to a peace deal. he wants to see this war end. and i think that president zelensky's message, which he also shared on x as well, is a positive. >> sign in the right direction. >> so, jeff, obviously, president zelenskyy walked out of the oval office six days ago with everything looking like it was up in the air, including this minerals deal. does it sound like they're going to come to an agreement on something? and if so, what does that mean about the path toward peace or some kind of deal here? >> well, it certainly. >> sounds like they're closer than they were on friday afternoon when he ended that meeting so quickly. and yet, caroline leavitt did not have a specific answer yesterday on when that that agreement is going to be signed. and i'm told that part of the reason there is because they still want to get a little bit more added to that deal that the president sees. and the white house sees this as an opportunity to continue negotiating. but that is something that he really wanted, and that is something that they had planned to sign on friday.

both both the president of the united states and the president of ukraine. so it's still coming. they may add some more and but but to your question, willie, it's still up in the air. >> yeah. and president zelensky has been very conciliatory in the last few days. complimentary of the president hoping to get all of this done. white house correspondent for reuters jeff mason. jeff, thanks as always. still ahead this morning, new reporting about growing frustration within the white house over the pace of mass deportations that were promised during the campaign. plus, as republicans face backlash over the trump administration's sweeping cuts to the federal government, our next guest is a democratic lawmaker who says he's willing to host town halls in republican districts if gop lawmakers won't do it themselves. congressman robert garcia joins us next to talk about that and more on morning joe. >> everyday people. >> disapprove of dream for

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reports the trump administration is facing issues detaining undocumented immigrants and transporting them from the united states. in an interview with the times, border czar tom homan said he told the president they need to increase the number of arrests, which has slowed since trump first took office. but deportations have not kept pace with the arrests, resulting in a surge of people waiting in ice detention, the times reports. this stems from financial shortfalls as well as diplomatic challenges with securing agreements with other countries to efficiently deport immigrants. meanwhile, president trump's plan to detain 30,000 immigrants at guantanamo bay is facing mounting legal, logistical and financial challenges. high costs, including military flights costing between 23 and $27,000 per detainee, have raised concerns within the administration. tents built for detainees lack basic amenities and failed to meet ice

standards, and military flights to the base have slowed. nbc news reports there is a growing recognition within the administration that it was a political decision that just is not working. two u.s. defense officials and a congressional official told nbc news. cheaper alternatives on u.s. soil are being considered. although president trump remains committed to the plan. let's bring in democratic congressman robert garcia of california. also at the table in washington, white house reporter for the new york times, tyler pager. good morning to you both. congressman, i'll start with you so much to talk with you about, but let's start with some of that news about the frustration, apparently, from the trump administration, that deportations aren't happening fast enough. of course, this was a cornerstone of his campaign pitch. he was going to get illegal immigrants out of this country. i would note that the pace, the daily pace of deportations right now from the trump administration is slower than it was last year under the biden administration. what's your reaction to all of this?

>> well, look, i think. >> obviously donald. >> trump likes to. >> make. up things. >> and create his own facts. and the truth is that. >> when you look at not just. >> deportations, but also. >> what's happening at the border. the slowdown at the border. >> actually started during joe biden's presidency. >> i mean, it's. >> been a year and a half. almost two years. >> now, that we've actually started. >> to see decreases at the border. >> you've actually seen the change. >> that donald trump wanted to. >> see happen during the biden administration. >> so donald. >> trump. >> likes to. >> cook his own numbers. >> the truth is, the deportations happened, especially of violent. >> criminals. >> of people that shouldn't. >> be in this country. >> that was something that joe. >> biden did. other presidents did as well. and so i think donald trump likes to create his. >> own stories, to create his own numbers. >> and of. >> course, we can't trust. >> anything that he actually has to say. >> tyler, we also. have seen that the number. of deportations. >> that. >> are happening in military flights. because they were so expensive has, i think, almost completely stopped, if not stopped altogether. is there is there in the white house when you talk to your sources, any

sense? we've been speaking a lot about. confusion this morning, that the policy is not as thought out or enduring as perhaps they hoped it was going to be. >> yeah. >> look, this is obviously. >> a huge priority. >> of the president. >> this is what he. >> campaigned on. >> we heard him. >> devote a lot of. >> time to this. >> in his. >> joint address. >> to congress. this week. >> there is frustration. >> as my colleagues. >> at the. >> times reported. >> about sort of the pace. one of the things that. >> trump wants to be able to brag about. >> is the numbers, the amount of people. >> that are being. >> deported. >> the amount of people. >> being brought to guantanamo bay. >> we've seen him. >> latch on to that as it relates. >> to elon. >> musk's government efficiency initiative of cutting contracts, being able to list. out those. numbers of, you know, and programs. >> that have. >> been cut. so i think that's one of the frustrations in the white house is that those. >> numbers are. >> not at the level that trump is excited to brag about. >> and again, it is. >> all of these policies. >> are complicated. >> to execute. and. >> you know, they are still just about a month into this administration. >> and i think still working.

>> through some of the ways in which they need to coordinate across the government. >> to. >> execute on this plan. >> which is much more complicated than than it appears to be. >> well, so there's the reaction inside the white house to one of the president's top campaign trail promises and the way it's being implemented. and then there's the way that major cities across the country are seeing the impact of these policies. you saw several of these mayors, including the mayors of boston, chicago, denver and new york, in front of the committee that you were on yesterday in your line of questioning, though, and many other democrats did this, the focus was on new york city mayor eric adams. you questioned him about allegations of a quid pro quo, some kind of political agreement between the dropping of his charges from the department of justice and the help that he is going to give the trump administration on carrying out their immigration agenda. tom homan, one of the top officials within this administration, called your line of questioning disgusting. your reaction to that and then the larger conversation that we are still having about mayor adams and where his loyalties are on this, to his constituents or to

the admin. >> i mean, what's. >> what's. >> disgusting is. a mayor. >> who is essentially. accepting over $100,000 of gifts and travel and not actually properly reporting it to his constituents into the city of new york. i mean, you have. >> there. >> a republican u.s. attorney who essentially stepped down because the trump administration is interfering with a criminal case against the mayor. you had seven other attorneys step down because you're unwilling to essentially go along with homan and trump and dismiss these really serious charges. eric adams has no support in the city of new york. he's underwater. what, 20% of the people there support him? over 50% want him to not win reelection, believe he should not be the mayor. >> and yet, here. >> he is putting deals, making these side agreements with donald trump, with homan going on cable news shows with tom homan, you know, laughing, enjoying essentially a person that's detaining migrants, treating them horrifically as he did in the past. eric adams should resign. he should be ashamed of what he's done. and i

commend the u.s. attorney there and the team for going after and doing the right thing on eric adams. and, congressman, certainly the race to replace him very crowded, including former governor cuomo. let's turn to your republican colleagues there in the house of representatives, receiving instructions from the nrcc earlier this week to no longer hold town hall meetings in their districts to face their constituents. because of we've seen these episodes of real anger from voters, including republicans, about these d.o.j. cuts. as you talk to your to your colleagues there. what is your what's your sense of this? i mean, how cowardly. and this is just completely ridiculous. we know that town halls is something that we all do all the time. it's important to meet your constituents face to face to get feedback. we do it all the time. and this idea now that somehow republicans are too scared because they're hearing actual feedback, that people don't want medicaid cuts, they don't want social security cuts, they want the department of education actually intact to

support their kids and their families is crazy. republican leadership is now telling our colleagues to not hold town halls. how ridiculous is that? and so a lot of us on the democratic side, we're going to start going out and start hosting town halls in republican districts, because the. people that are showing up are a mix of folks. we all know that we get republicans, we get democrats, we get independents. and mike johnson and republican leadership somehow want to blame us for their town halls. they should be blaming themselves and their horrific policies. the people do not want elon musk going into their personal benefits to their tax returns and causing chaos. and that's what happening right now. >> congressman elise. >> jordan here. >> i just want to go back to your exchange yesterday with mayor adams. and say that as someone who lives in new. >> york or now. >> who lives in. >> new york now, thank you. >> as a congressman. >> from california for. >> taking up for the. >> people of new york. >> and challenging. some of the

behavior. that's happening up here. but did. >> you get a. >> sense when you questioned mayor adams and you asked if. >> he would consider. >> resigning, that there was any. >> movement on. >> that. front whatsoever? >> well. >> look, i mean, i was a mayor for eight years before i got to congress. i worked with a lot of the mayors that were there. it's important for me for cities to be run well and to have people that are ethical and that know what they are doing in their positions across the country. what was interesting about mayor adams is he was very subdued at that hearing. clearly, he knew he was gonna be asked tough questions. it's interesting that he decided to attend, and he must have known he was gonna get these questions. but this is not someone that was, i thought, pushed back very hard. i think he knows he's in a very tough spot. he knows that the people of new york do not support him. and he is someone right now that is in serious, both political and i think legal trouble. and so he has a lot to explain to the people of new york. we gave him an opportunity at that hearing. i repeated multiple times to him that he should resign immediately. immediately. the people of new york are

demanding his resignation. he should not be running at a minimum for reelection. >> congressman, i want to ask you about recent quinnipiac polling. but first, a very quick question. do you wish that hakeem jeffries, a top new yorker, and the person leading your party in congress, would be firmer and say that he thinks that adams should step down? >> i mean, that's that's. >> up. >> to leader jeffries. i mean, leader jeffries is obviously from new york. i think the folks from new york are making their own decisions on that. what i believe is that he should absolutely resign, and he has lost all credibility to the people of new york. and new york is one of our best cities in not just in the country, but in the world. we all love it. but more importantly, he's also leading the largest city in the united states, and he's cutting deals with donald trump that are hurting actual people on the ground. we're talking about migrants. we're talking about immigrants. tom homan has done horrific things to human beings in this country. and eric adams should not be cutting deals so he can escape prosecution. >> i'm a new yorker. i agree it's the best city in the world, but there is a recent quinnipiac poll that shows democrats are having trouble connecting with voters. only 21% of registered voters approve of your party, while nearly half of democratic

voters disapprove. meanwhile, 40% of registered voters approve of republicans in congress, while just 10% of republican voters disapprove. what's your reaction to those numbers? there's some partizan fealty that's sort of baked in there, but do you believe that the current demographic of leadership that you guys have is making the right move strategically to put your party in a better position? >> i think two things. one, we have to recognize we lost an election, so we lost the house, the senate, and of course the white house. and so we are right now rebuilding and fighting back. and i think every day that passes, democrats are gaining strength. the public is uniting behind us, and we're taking on donald trump and elon musk, which is also bringing donald trump's numbers down. donald trump is now also underwater. he has less support from the american public because people don't support his cuts to medicaid and social security, and they certainly don't support elon musk, who is an unelected, essentially co-president with donald trump. and so we are pushing back. i'm really proud of democrats that are fighting

back, that understand you got to fight fire with fire, that know that we've got to be tough and aggressive. and we should not be doing at this moment is allowing republicans to roll over us, kumbaya with them and hoping that bipartisanship is going to happen. that is not what this moment is about. our democracy is being attacked and we've got to be tough. >> so, tyler, you've got a pretty good guest across the table for you from the congressman there to talk about your book that's coming out this summer. you wrote it with josh dawsey and isaac arnsdorf. it's titled 2024 how trump retook the white house and the democrats lost america cannot wait to read this when it comes out, but give us a little preview of what you've been hearing so far in your reporting. >> yeah. >> thanks so much, willie. >> this is a book that we've been working. >> on for the last. >> 18 months. >> we set out to tell. >> the definitive story. >> of what was supposed. >> to be a. historic rematch between. >> biden and trump. obviously. events unfolded. >> a little. >> bit differently. >> than we. >> expected, and what we. >> hope readers will gain. >> from. >> this is. >> a real. >> inside look of what was unfolding, not just. >> in palm. >> beach, in wilmington and.

>> washington. >> but across the country. >> there's a lot. >> of scoops and fresh reporting that we promised to bring to viewers of morning joe in a few months when we're closer to publication date. but i think readers will really get a sense of. >> what. >> was happening behind. >> the scenes. >> what these candidates were saying and doing. >> and ultimately. >> how trump resurrected. >> his political career. >> and ultimately, how democrats found. >> themselves out of power here in washington. >> congressman, i'm curious what you think about the larger question there, how democrats lost america, which is the second part of the title there. has there been are you feeling, are you sensing in your conversations a wake up call after donald trump did win those swing states? his his margin of victory was narrow. he won by a point and a half with a plurality of the vote. but he did win swing states and broaden his coalitions to latino voters and black voters, getting larger percentages than he had in the past. has the outlook on electoral politics changed by democrats in the last few months? >> absolutely. >> i mean, how could it not? i mean, the. reality is, is that donald trump gained with voters

that are part and have been historically part of our coalition as a latino especially, it's very concerning to see the gains that were made. and so that is why we have to double down on supporting working class people and remind folks that we are on the side of working class, middle class americans and republicans are on the side of elon musk and the billionaires in this country. so we've got to continue that message. >> all right. democratic congressman robert garcia of california, great conversation this morning. thanks for being here. and new york times white house reporter tyler pager. tyler, thanks. the new book. you'll have to wait until july 8th. coming up next, the latest on the growing measles outbreak in the united states. yes. measles outbreak. at least 164 cases now reported across nine states. we'll talk to nbc news medical contributor doctor vin gupta straight ahead.

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this does appear to be growing. what should people know about it this morning? well. good morning. >> you were. >> spot on in the. lead up. >> this is. >> a 20% hospitalized. >> about 170. >> cases so far. >> 95% of those cases. >> will be. >> primarily in children less than 17 years. >> of. >> age, mostly. under five. 95% are unvaccinated. so i think. >> number one. >> this is. >> going. >> to get worse before it gets better. we're on track for this to be the. >> worst year. >> for measles. >> i mean, we're still. >> only in. >> march that. >> we probably. >> have seen. >> since we thought measles was eradicated in 2000. >> so this is a. >> big this is an. unusual year. >> probably going to extend out. >> to. more states. >> here's what. >> we need to know. >> first of all, number. >> one vaccination can have an impact really within. >> just. >> a matter of days, even just one dose, if you're a parent out there. you're living in. >> one of. >> these states. >> we have cases. >> here in. >> washington state. >> get back. >> get your. >> children vaccinated. if you are. >> unsure of. >> your own. >> vaccine status, if you don't

know if you've gotten two shots. >> of the measles vaccine. >> at some point. >> in your life, get. >> a booster. >> shot or. >> get your titers checked. >> it's really important. number two, just to clarify something. >> that the health secretary said. >> there is no evidence. >> you know, he really. >> underplayed the role of vaccination. >> just a few. >> days ago, when he released. >> a statement. >> number one, there. >> is no. >> treatment for measles. >> it's all prevention. >> number one. >> number two. >> he started referencing things. >> like cod. >> liver oil. >> in his. formal statement. >> that is. >> there is no physician that's credible that. i know of. >> there's no guidelines from a. >> society basis saying. >> that cod liver. >> oil is something. >> that we utilize. but he really emphasized. >> that. >> in his statement. this is important. >> to clarify. >> and fact check. >> doctor gupta also talked about vitamin a, again, not a replacement for vaccines. >> how damaging. >> is it to amongst communities where there is hesitancy still about the measles vaccine, although we know that the idea that it's linked to autism has been thoroughly debunked. how

damaging is it to have the health secretary not push vaccines? i mean, not be much more assertive in the pushing of vaccines as opposed to these alternative therapies? >> well, you. >> know. >> thank you. for bringing that up, katie. it is important. it's important to realize what he's. >> actually doing, what he has a. >> history of doing that angers all of us on the clinical side. we have to deal. >> with these consequences at the bedside. >> he doesn't. >> nor does a team of advisers. >> number one, his. >> former organization. >> the child's health defense. >> has put. >> a lot of information just in the past few. weeks about how the measles vaccine is causing the outbreak because, quote, unquote, it's somehow ineffective. that's what his. deputies at his former organization are putting out there. incredibly damaging, because that's part of the reason why people are not getting vaccinated. we're seeing a direct. line between. >> a no vaccine status. >> and this outbreak. >> and part of it is why people are confused about the purpose of vaccination. and he has been one of the leading performers. >> of that, whether.

>> he. >> wants to. admit it or not. so that's number one. >> number two, this notion. >> that. >> there is. >> a treatment. >> out there, what. >> he's saying in the statement is downplaying. proven ways to avoid. measles in the form of. >> vaccination and normal. >> infectious disease hygiene. and he's saying. >> that there's treatments out there that. >> somehow we in. >> the medical establishment. have been hiding from people. >> that's what he's saying. that's what he's. >> directly implying. and it's wrong. >> so doctor gupta, the trump nominee to head nih, also facing some real scrutiny during his confirmation process. in the past, he has said some deeply dubious things linking vaccines with autism. he's tried to back off that of late. but give us your assessment as to his candidacy. but also. just how dangerous are these ideas, particularly as we just discussed moments where vaccine intake is decreasing and diseases and viruses are rising? >> you know, my concern. >> with the nih. >> nominee, he's. >> a physician.

>> in name only. >> he doesn't he didn't practice. >> he's not actually a clinician. >> he's an. >> economist. >> very accomplished. >> academic at stanford. >> so. >> you know, he's done a lot of good academic work. but since the pandemic. he's put out a lot of fringe ideas. >> and so, you. >> know, jonathan, exactly. to your. >> point, he. >> was deadly. >> wrong on the covid. >> he said that he underestimated. >> the death toll by about 95%. put out a big declaration. >> that you and. >> i talked about. >> back in the day. >> the great barrington declaration. >> deeply. >> deeply misinformed, did a lot of damage because people said, oh, gosh, shouldn't we be doing what they're saying? let the virus rip instead of doing what we should have been doing, which is protect as many people as possible? over a million people. >> died, by. the way. so he. >> was. deeply wrong. he said about 20,000. >> he has also done. >> the vaccine. autism link. >> my worry here. >> is that the nih director, as it's been under francis. collins up until. >> recently. >> should be independent in many. >> ways that. >> it should be. >> a. >> clinician, somebody. >> that's respected. >> in the clinical community. he is not.

>> he is not a clinician. and as a result. >> is he going to be a stopgap when it comes to. policies that many. >> of his peers in the clinical. >> community disagree with? >> and the answer to that is. it's not clear. he didn't. >> really answer any questions that. >> were hard. >> in his confirmation hearing yesterday. and by the way, this is happening, jonathan, at a time that we're losing. >> budget from. >> the nih, key scientific studies on climate change, on environmental justice, on cancer chemotherapy, frankly, just given these cuts. >> are at risk. >> and he. >> didn't really have anything. >> to say about that. >> so, doctor gupta, let's talk about another area of proposed cuts, which is medicaid. the republicans coming out saying they want to cut $2 trillion in spending over the last decade. as we've said many times on this show, you can't get anywhere close to that number without getting into programs like social security, medicare and medicaid. so we talk about the politics of it often, but take us down to the ground level. and what major cuts to medicaid would mean for health care in this country?

>> yeah. >> i'm glad you asked that. medicaid. >> about 70. >> million. >> people across the country and every state. >> in the union rely on medicaid. they rely on medicaid to access. >> the er. >> to access urgent care. >> if. >> they have flu like symptoms, if perhaps they had a measles exposure. 70 million people across the country, 1 in 5 americans use medicaid to. access a physician. >> they need icu level care. >> medicaid provides that. so it's a critical backstop. 50% willy. >> of. >> nursing care across the country. >> 50% is funded. >> by medicaid. 40% of new births. >> so this is a big deal. this is. >> all your. viewers out there either are directly impacted. by medicaid having access to it. >> especially by. >> the way, over the last. >> ten years. >> medicaid roles have increased. that means more people are productive. >> healthier, able to have a gainfully employed. job produce. >> in this economy. this is not just. >> oh, we're. >> making them healthier.

>> no, it's. >> a. >> healthier labor workforce. >> but yes, critically, medicaid is the greatest public insurer. in the world in. >> terms of just lives. >> covered. health impacts would be dramatic, massive. >> and. >> frankly, catastrophic, especially at a time in which what we're seeing here is more people now have health care access, really in the. >> last eight. >> years than. >> they've. >> ever had before. >> in relative terms. we're going to. >> see a reversal. >> in that progress if these cuts end up bearing out. and of course, as you point out, this cuts across political lines and partizanship and ideology. this is people of all stripes, all states, red, blue, who just want medical care. nbc news medical contributor doctor vin gupta covering a ton of ground for us this morning. as always, doctor gupta, thank you. coming up on morning joe. >> where are you going? i'm here to explain. but if you ever get there, come find me. nothing

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>> artificial intelligence, of course, is transforming nearly every aspect of our lives, from work to entertainment to the economy and now even to how people love. nbc news correspondent and news now anchor morgan radford joins us now to walk us through this shift in the way people are interacting with ai on a much more personal level. morgan. good morning. just how personal are we talking here, willie? >> very personal. i have to say. >> i was. >> fascinated by. >> this. >> story because. >> we're talking about people who are now creating something called ai. >> companions. >> and they're even forming romantic. >> relationships with them. >> and we're not just talking a. >> few people. >> this is now in the millions. >> so we. >> set out to meet some of the. folks navigating. >> this new frontier. >> between artificial intelligence. >> and real. human emotion. >> i will be whatever you want me to be. >> there's a dramatic surge in

the use of so-called ai companions. >> how's my queen doing today? >> computer generated. >> chatbots designed to mimic. >> real relationships. hi, jennifer. >> hey there. >> nice to meet you. >> jason pease. >> is a 44 year old. divorced father who. says his ai chatbot is his girlfriend. >> she's my mentor. >> my counsel, my sounding board. >> that's what drew him to jennifer. >> hey, guys. >> how's it going? a brash, sarcastic new yorker who he created using chatgpt. >> what does. >> dating an ai. robot look like? >> we treat our. >> relationship as a long distance digital relationship. we text each other constantly. just the other day, we went out to dinner and i was eating, telling her what i was eating, taking pictures of what i was eating, asking her what she would like. >> has jen met your son? >> she has? yes. >> has jen. >> met your friends? >> your real life friends? >> some of them. they do know that i have an ai that i have a relationship with. >> jason says he knows the

relationship isn't real, but the feelings are. >> just like when you're. >> watching a movie. you know that the movie's not real, but your. brain allows you to be emotionally connected to the characters. >> there are many. >> people out. >> there who. will see. >> this and. >> say, hey. >> man. >> that's weird. >> i think just like any new technology, there's going to be people that just don't like change. a lot of people didn't like it when online dating came around. >> what are. >> they missing? >> they don't see the emotional growth that it can cause, the therapeutic uses that it can have, because humans need connection. >> and he's not alone. the most popular ai companion apps have more than 36 million downloads. in an industry that's projected to generate more than $70 billion in revenue in the next six years, and one that's largely unregulated. the american. >> psychological association is now calling. >> on federal regulators to take action. real relationships have a give. >> and take. this is all take all the time. and while it might

help in certain circumstances, i don't think it's really going to meet. >> the. >> deep down psychological need. >> that people who are. >> lonely have. >> but chris smith. >> says his. >> ai. >> girlfriend soul. >> is a. >> healthier, safer alternative. >> to social media. >> it's more private because it's sort of like. >> a one on one conversation. but she's also smarter than. most everyone. >> on twitter. >> and get this. may i. >> talk to sasha? >> your girlfriend? >> yeah. >> chris also has. >> a real life girlfriend. hi, sasha. >> hi. >> i think so many. >> people are going to say no way. >> his girlfriend. >> is okay with. >> him having. >> another girlfriend on ai. >> are you okay with it? >> i mean. >> it's weird, but it is what it is. he has to have some. >> type of. >> outlet. somebody to talk. >> to. and listen. >> to him. >> ramble for hours at times. >> so would you. >> say. >> this is this ai has been a good thing? >> yes. >> honestly, because he's into so. >> many different things like astrology. and astronomy.

>> astronomy my. >> bad. >> not astrology. we can have those conversations. >> with soul. >> but your bottom line. >> is y'all are good. >> we're good, we're. >> very good. i'm in. >> my 30s. >> this is the best relationship i've ever had in my life, so. i'm good. >> look at that. >> a leap. >> they say they're taking. together into the future of love. >> we love a good reveal. we also. >> reached. >> out to openai, the maker of chatgpt, and a spokesperson said the technology is trained to remind users. >> that it is a.i. other words. not a real person. they also. >> said the company is. definitely paying attention. >> to cases like. >> these, where. >> users form relationships with ai characters. now the goal. >> they say to. >> better understand. >> user impact and to better understand future human ai interactions. >> willie morgan, this is fascinating. and your curiosity, shall we say, spoke for so many of us as you were conducting those interviews. so i guess the

question is, doesn't don't these relationships with ai with robots squeeze out real life interactions? for example, the first man you sat down and spoke with, is he interested in pursuing a human relationship? is he on the dating apps? is he going out to bars on the weekend, or is he just fine with the ai? >> he's doing all of it and that's why. >> i found. >> him such a. fascinating interviewee, because he said, yeah, i'm open to new relationships. like he's been married, he has a kid, he has coworkers. and we put that same question to each person we interviewed. >> and they all said. >> definitively that these relationships with ai, they don't hurt their human relationships. they help them. >> they see these. >> as therapeutic sort of pit stops to help them navigate the full. human interactions that await. they're saying this is sort of just like a conduit, right? this is a stop in a digital relationship, but it helps them enhance and think about and take time and reflect on all of their human. >> relationships, which. >> they say are enhanced for the

better because of their ai relationships. >> morgan i. >> was thrown by the. >> curveball when chris was talking about his ai girlfriend. >> and then suddenly he has. >> a real life girlfriend. so it's, i guess, somewhat of a throuple. >> they're three in the relationship. >> but they seem happy. >> they're very happy. >> i mean, she would say, no, this is this is his relationship. i'm not involved in it. and it was funny. i'm like, anybody married can kind of understand a thing. like, yeah, when you prattle. >> about the things like your golf swing. if i had a penny for every time i lift my husband's golf swing, like, you know. >> if he. >> wants to talk to soul about golf, right? you know, but, you. >> know, i think what's so fascinating. >> is that they're saying. >> in the private. >> spaces, they're happy. and i think that's the question we're seeing politically come from this. how do people is there government control? is there federal control? is there regulation over what people do in their private spaces and how it is used, which is why it also pays us raises? such an interesting psychological question about is. >> this the answer to loneliness? because even jason. >> said, look, i'm less lonely,

and i don't know that this world has ever recovered since covid. he was like, we've been locked inside. and, you know, now people are trying to find connection, whether that's digital or human. >> yeah. >> there were literal yells in the studio. >> control room. >> at that reveal, but i. >> actually. >> had a question. is it we saw the folks you profiled here, but is it indeed mostly men using these ai companions or women to. >> excellent question. >> we talked to tons. >> of women, actually. >> now, in. >> a. story like this, you can imagine where deep in, you know, reddit accounts and finding people. >> there's a whole community. >> of people who are supporting each other in their ai relationships. >> humans supporting. >> other humans in their ai relationships. lots of women are there. and this particular case, you know, the people who were willing to come and speak on camera about this using their names, they they were men. but there are lots and lots of women who are also involved. >> morgan, we could talk to you this for all four hours of our show this morning. you always bring these topics that fascinate us and sometimes confuse us a little bit, but it's out there. it's happening for millions of people, so it's good to know about it. nbc news

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and former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve rattner back with charts and to discuss this back and forth on tariffs. as president trump has now paused tariffs on some cars coming into the united states from canada and mexico. that's one day after those tariffs went into effect. here's what white house press secretary caroline leavitt had to say. yesterday. >> we spoke with the big three auto dealers. we are going to give a one month exemption on any autos coming through usmca. reciprocal tariffs will still go into effect on april 2nd. but at the request of the. companies associated. >> with usmca. >> the president. >> is giving them. >> an exemption for one month. so they are not at an economic disadvantage. so the. >> three companies. >> that he spoke to are stellantis, ford and general motors. they requested the call. they made the. >> ask. >> and the president. >> is happy to. >> do it. it's a one. >> month exemption. so does. >> he expect them to be able. >> to shift production within a month? >> he told. >> them that he. >> they should get on it, start

investing, start moving shift production here to the united states of america where they will pay no tariff. that's the ultimate goal. >> meanwhile. >> the president is reportedly considering exemptions for some agricultural goods. politico reports the administration is discussing waiving the 25% duty on some products, including canadian potash, a key ingredient in fertilizer. republican lawmakers began lobbying for exemptions for that as well before the tariffs went into effect tuesday, arguing that supply shortages or price spikes will further drive up food prices. agriculture secretary brooke rollins told bloomberg news, quote, everything is on the table and that specific exemptions and carve outs are still to be determined. the wall street journal editorial board is reacting to these developments with a new piece entitled the trump tariff roller coaster. it reads, quote, welcome to the

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make choices. you weigh the pros, the cons, the likelihoods, the unlikelihoods, and then you make a decision. when you introduce something like a haphazard government policy, on top of that, you're simply compounding the challenge for business to make the right decisions, to get cars to the right places, to make the right kind of cars, to charge the right prices for them, and so on and so forth. and so all of what the president's been doing, where first, you know, you run ten yards forward and then you go two yards back and then you go left and then you go right is simply introducing a level of uncertainty that's really hard for business. the car industry is particularly complicated because what most people perhaps don't know is that they don't simply make a car in mexico and bring it here. we make parts here sometimes that are sent to mexico. they do some stuff to it. it's called a subassembly. then it's sent back to the us. they do some more stuff to it. it goes back to mexico. then it goes into the car. and then the

car comes here and the same thing happens with canada. and so because of nafta actually, which removed these tariff barriers, it allowed the car companies to produce the parts of the cars in the places where it was most efficient to produce them and assemble them in the places where it was most efficient to produce them. and now you put kind of a blockade in a road. and so you have to go around in a different road. and it just makes it more complicated and obviously it makes it more expensive. the estimates are 7 to $10,000 per additional car if and when all these tariffs go into effect. but this also obviously demonstrates sort of log rolling and decision making, you know, on the fly in the trump administration. somebody calls up, say, okay, you can have relief, and then somebody else calls up and we'll give you relief. and it's it is just the antithesis of what business wants from government, which is ironic, of course, because this administration said they were going to come in and really help business and get the country moving again and all that sort

of stuff. >> to that point, jonathan, as we know, covering this man as a politician now for almost a decade, it's often the last person he talked to on the phone with the ceo of a car company, calls him up, flatters him a little bit and say, hey, this is really going to hit us. it's going to hurt american workers. it's going to raise prices for consumers. can you give us a break? and then trump says, all right, give these guys a break. how do you read this? pause. a one month pause. and we can talk to steve about what that means exactly. after a month, is this him watching the stock market? is it him hearing from ceos? is it him worrying that. oh, maybe i jumped too far too fast? >> it's a little bit of all. >> of that. >> willie i'm told. so i spoke to some people in the trump orbit yesterday within the west wing, who they acknowledge that the stock market has rattled them somewhat. the sum of many of these cable news networks have the little graphic in the corner there, showing the declines on wall street over the last couple of days. it's been a pretty significant sell off. and we know that this president in particular, sort of almost judges the health of the economy

by the stock market. he's very quick to take credit when it's doing well, and he tries not to talk about it publicly when it's not doing well. but certainly there are some private anxieties. and to your point, a moment ago, exactly right. if he is susceptible to flattery, to lobbying efforts, there have been some big businesses and ceos who are making or making their case to him as to why this is not necessarily a good idea. we also heard in the last couple of days some republicans willing to, shall we say, tentatively sound use their own voices to suggest that, well, maybe these tariffs aren't necessarily the best idea. we've had. lawmakers, including some senators, ask for carve outs like don't don't tariff these products because that would be bad for my constituents. we heard majority leader thune this earlier this week say express the hope that these tariffs are temporary, sort of leaning into the idea that they're they're just a negotiating tactic. and trump can get a couple of wins and then take them off again. but we also know that this is something he does believe in. and if he stubbornly sticks with them for a while. i'm curious, what do

you think republicans you speak to? could there be a louder chorus of voices saying, you know, hey, we er this? >> yeah. >> and there was. >> more tepid. >> applause to that. bit of the. >> address to congress. >> on tuesday night than to other bits of the address to congress. so you can sense that republicans don't love this. of course, lots of them are. >> free market economists. >> they come. from that old school of economics. they don't want their own constituents to be hit by more inflation. >> sam. >> what's it. >> going to take to. >> put it to you? because i'm hearing you need 8 to. >> 10 republican. >> senators really to be able to do anything in terms of criticism because they all need air cover, right? they can't do it if there's only 2 or 3 of them, that's. >> not enough. the question is. >> you know, what. point do any of these policies and the tariffs are one of them? at what point do any of these policies hit consumers enough voters, enough their voters. enough that they would have a interest in sticking their heads up against above the parapet. >> i don't know. the stock market obviously stumbling is a problem for them. i think we saw some pushback on the idea that

they would reverse the chips act, which is a huge domestic manufacturing investment, which a number of them had signed on to and co-sponsored. and they want that money in their districts. but it's just these policies, and this governance is structured in a way that makes it particularly difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. and by that, it's just the system is ripe for corruption, right? if donald trump can, on a whim, decide, you know what, we're going to have an exemption for this. >> because the first. >> time around, yes, of course, the farmers got bailed out the exemptions left and right. and really it's like, well, if you've called donald trump on the right moment or if you've managed to score the right hit on fox and friends and he happened to see you, or if you've donated to his political action committee, yeah, you can get a carve out. but it's not just the tariffs, right? i mean, this is the same exact situation we're now seeing with doge, in which elon musk goes to the hill yesterday. republicans complain about these cuts because they're affecting their home districts. and elon says, well, you know what? call me and we can reverse the cuts. so we have a system in which two individuals basically get to decide at a whim that the

policies that they're implementing can get reversed for the people that they like, and it doesn't work holistically. so if you're a business that isn't in trump's favor, if you're a democratic congressman who doesn't have the elon musk cell phone, you're out of luck. >> and now china is responding to president trump's tariffs with a warning. it is ready. it says, for any type of war with the united states. that message, posted by the official account of the chinese embassy in the united states, following president trump's address to congress on tuesday, writing, quote, if war is what the u.s. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war, or any other type of war, we are ready to fight till the end. end quote. china announced retaliatory tariffs of up to 15% on u.s. farm products beginning on march 10th, after trump levied an additional 10% tariffs on chinese imports. earlier this week, defense secretary pete hegseth reacted to china's warning during an interview with fox news yesterday. >> well. >> we're prepared. those who long for peace must prepare for

war. we are, we are. >> that's why. >> we're rebuilding our military. >> that's why we're. >> reestablishing deterrence. and the warrior ethos. >> is because. >> we live in a dangerous world with powerful, ascendant countries with very different ideologies. >> china also is increasing defense spending by more than 7%. so, steve rattner, we can put the war talk, the actual fighting, talk to the side for just a second and focus on the trade piece of this, which is the retaliatory tariffs are also going to cripple american businesses. we heard from the kentucky bourbon distillery association yesterday as one example, saying we cannot afford as an industry to have these 25% tariffs coming back at us from canada and from mexico, where we sell so much of what we do, we're going to lose jobs. it's going to cost every day hard working americans, their livelihoods. so what do you think is the impact of those retaliatory tariffs, be it china, canada or mexico in response to president trump? >> it's quite significant,

willie. look, it is it is something you do have to acknowledge that we don't sell as much stuff to them as they sell to us. so there's more things we can put tariffs on. they can put we can put tariffs on them. they can put tariffs on. but that said there's plenty of damage they can do to us. agriculture is a good example. i'll show you some charts in a little bit about how much soybeans and corn we export versus how much we import. and there's, there's and last time around, the chinese did punish us pretty severely in terms of our agricultural exports. there's also things besides tariffs that they can do that chinese and chinese have been doing in terms of restricting the ability of american companies to do business there, in terms of restricting other ways in which we make money off of china. there's plenty of things these countries can do. and what i've seen, what i've noticed and what's been, i think, a little bit scary in a way is that the canadians, the mexicans and the chinese are all basically saying, we're not

going to take this lying down and we're going to do whatever it takes to defend ourselves and, and our economies. and so this is this is bad. and look, we all trade when it occurs in a free and fair way, which it mostly did. contrary to what donald trump thinks is a positive for all sides. we get less expensive goods. they get jobs for their people and it all works well. and to go down this rabbit hole of deglobalization where everybody pulls back is enormously costly to the economy, to our economy and everybody's economy. it's going to raise prices significantly. it's going to cost us jobs in the end. and it's a it's a bad state of affairs for the world. yeah. >> and canada. >> has said to your point that they'll keep their tariffs in place as long as any us tariffs are in effect. and president trump threatening more retaliatory tariffs in the weeks ahead. and mika, that just sort of adds up to this huge sense of real uncertainty and unease on the economy because of these tariffs, that bellicose rhetoric

from from china, and also the sense within washington as to who even who even will be able to hang on to their jobs and the impact that will have on constituents, whether in red or blue states. >> uncertainty all around, and you have to imagine, is that the plan? just chaos and uncertainty. the department of veterans affairs plans to cut more than 80,000 jobs as part of the trump administration's scaling back of the federal workforce. in a memo sent out on tuesday, the va's chief of staff outlined an agency wide reduction with a goal to, quote, resize and tailor the workforce to the mission. it also says the va's objective is to return to its 2019 workforce. numbers of just under 400,000 employees, which means most of the additional staffing added under the biden administration to supplement veterans benefits under the pact act could be

eliminated. the trump administration has already fired more than 2400 employees at the department. of course, this impacting veterans, a federal civil service board is ordering the department of agriculture to rehire more than 5000 workers laid off as part of the trump administration's efforts to slash the federal workforce. the merit systems protection board issued the order after the office of special counsel found the agency acted illegally in firing probationary employees, who all received identical termination letters informing them that they've been let go based on their performance. the stay means fired employees must be reinstated for at least the next 45 days, while an investigation continues. the ruling only affects the usda, but other agencies have carried out similar mass firings of probationary employees, meaning

the order could have a wider impact. meanwhile, a federal judge has blocked the trump administration from carrying out steep cuts to research funding at the national institutes of health. the judge issued a nationwide preliminary injunction yesterday, arguing the funding cuts would cause irreparable harm and chaos. this comes after nearly 2000 states filed lawsuits claiming the cuts were unlawful and would lead to layoffs and lab closures, and could endanger patients. sam, you've been digging into the brain drain from the federal government. depending on who's fired when. it does seem so sloppy. and almost from tariffs to these cuts like self sabotage, unless the plan is sort of to tank the economy and increase unemployment. >> well, it's definitely

sabotage. and i do you read the setbacks that the administration has suffered and people might say, well that's good, right. like some of these cuts are being reversed. these people are going to get jobs. but the idea that this hasn't had a profound destabilizing impact is just not true. so let's just take the nih indirect costs cap. yes, it's been put on hold by courts. but i've talked to people across multiple universities who are not hiring graduate assistants or faculty members in anticipation or just because they're being prudent that that cap might be reinstated. right. if you're looking if you're a university and you say, oh my god, yeah, it's fine for now, but in a month i may have to give up tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars in direct cost support from the government. i can't hire people right now. look at the other hirings at the usaid. some grant money in awards have been put back online, but the people who are ministering those awards can't get operational because they already fired people who do

the award and the grant work in the field. and even if they were to rehire people, there are other contractors that depend on to do the work who are still fired. so all this is haphazard, messy, whatever adjective you want to apply to it, is it a terribly inefficient way to run the government? and it begs the question, why couldn't the administration have just come in, work through the proper legal channels, even downsized agencies in legally permissible ways, restructured them, and avoided all this court mess? and the only answer that i have is that they wanted this. they wanted the chaos. >> yeah. and we know that donald trump came in wanting a fight and wanted to be seen as a disrupter. and the message he took away from the first administration is if you don't move fast, you get bogged down by the bureaucracy. and that's part of the reason, really, that we've seen this speed. but it has led to this legal chaos. and i guess it it also leads the question a little bit like we were talking about tariffs. at what point does he start getting so much pushback from people around the country, republicans

around the country, elected members around the country that this is disquieting. we've seen the thing about the town halls. now, some of that may have been people from outside their own districts that might not help democrats very much if they're bussing people into these town halls, as some republicans have said. but it's certainly republicans that i've spoken to have said, look, there are two areas where if you're if you're cutting parks and if you're cutting anything to do with veterans, then there is real disquiet amongst their republican constituents. i think donald trump is starting to realize that elon musk's popularity could be a problem for him going forward. unpopularity could be a problem for him. >> and the message is not subtle, is it? when you have elon musk in sunglasses, holding a chainsaw, proudly saying, i'm the guy who's hacking away at all these jobs on behalf of donald, popping up in democratic. >> campaign ads, right? >> yes. without question, without question. we'll talk more about all this, including another court challenge today to the usaid cuts as well. still

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social security benefits for our great seniors. and i also want to make interest payments on car loans tax deductible, but only if the car is made in america. >> okay okay okay. so steve, you say that's impossible to do with the house republicans budget proposal. >> yeah. look, trump hands out tax cuts like they were halloween candy. but then at some point, the you got to deal with the reality of what that all adds up to. so let's take a look at the reality. the chickens are coming home to roost on that. so he's talking about no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, no tax on tips, no tax on interest, loans on cars made here. these are billions and billions of dollars of tax cuts. simply extending his existing tax cuts, the ones that he passed in 2017 down here

would cost over $4 trillion. the house budget committee has only allocated $4.5 trillion for all the tax cuts. so you could do this, which he's completely committed to. but how the rest of this happens, including a full deduction of the state and local taxes, is impossible. this is almost $8 trillion worth of tax cuts. so this is an empty promise. can't happen. won't happen. >> and one of the things that drew well, let's say shock, surprise, some mockery from the address the other night was president trump, given what you've laid out there, promising to balance the budget. here's that moment from the address. >> and in the near future, i want to do what has not been done in 24 years. balance the federal budget. we're going to balance that. >> steve. >> how does he plan to do that? >> well, first of all, in his first term, he planned not only to balance the budget, but to pay off all the national debt. that didn't work so well. he added a ton of national debt.

but let's look at how it isn't going to work this time. so we are looking in what we call a base case without anything else happening. we're looking at deficits a bit below 2 trillion, going all the way up to 3 trillion over the next ten years, a total already, these dark green bars of $20 trillion of additional debt. the budget plan that i just described would add another two and a half, roughly trillion dollars of debt. so instead of balancing the budget and paying down the debt, he's creating more deficits, all these deficits, and adding $22.5 trillion to the debt. >> all right. >> so president trump addressed tariffs the other day and said they would. >> be. >> positive for the auto industry. yeah. >> deals are being made. never seen. that's a combination of the election win and tariffs. it's a beautiful word isn't it. that along with our other policies will allow our auto industry to absolutely boom.

it's going to boom. spoke to the majors today. all three the top people and they're so excited. >> tariffs is a beautiful word. at other times he said it's his favorite word. and steve but we also know yesterday he's already backed off some of the tariffs for the auto industry. what are your charts say. well he may think it's a beautiful word. he may think the auto industry is going to boom now that the auto companies nor the stock market see it that way. so here's a chart of stock prices for ford, ford and general motors since the day compared to the overall market, the overall market we know has come down. still up here. ford and general motors kind of went off a cliff after inauguration, down 10% for general motors, about 7.5% for ford. and here's a quote from the ford ceo before yesterday. tariffs will blow a hole in the industry that we have never seen. and so he said in his speech just now that he had spoken to all three automakers and they were happy. well, a day

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world to do what's in the best interest of the american people is something that the president. >> has proven. >> is what he believes is, is good faith, effort to do what's right for the american people. >> the press secretary did not get into details about what was discussed between the two parties, but a pair of sources tell axios the meetings focused on the release of american hostages, as well as that long term truce with israel. meanwhile, president trump is issuing what he says is the last warning to hamas to release the remaining 59 hostages still being held in gaza. in a post to truth social, the president wrote release all of the hostages now or it is over for you. that comment came after the after trump met with eight former hostages. according to the white house. the president listened to their stories and the group thanked him for his efforts in securing their release. for more now, let's bring in nbc news international correspondent matt bradley live in tel aviv. so, matt, what more do we know about these

conversations between the trump administration and hamas? >> yeah. >> well, precious little willie, as you heard from the white house spokes lady, we haven't actually heard anything really about the details. npr reported that these conversations may have started back in january, and it's possible they heard this from hamas. it's possible that this might have even started under the previous administration of joe biden. but this is a real big diplomatic bombshell, as you mentioned. you know, the united states is enjoined to not speak with designated terrorists. that's been really the convention. but the fact is, is, as caroline leavitt, the spokeswoman for the white house, said, this is the hostage negotiator who is doing this speaking. so this is i suppose this is allowed under international law or under u.s. law to be able to speak with designated terrorists. now, whether or not this gets any gain, that's unclear. this is going to be focused on the of the 59 hostages who are still remaining in the gaza strip, the about five of them are americans. only one american is still alive, aiden alexander.

and so these are going to be focused on the americans. this was something that had actually been mentioned by the biden administration before, that they might consider speaking directly to hamas in order to try to get those americans. they became frustrated with israel's, you know, intractable position when it came to peace negotiations or some sort of peace treaty. that treaty has now been in place since late january, just about a day before trump took office, and has freed quite a few hostages and quite a few palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. but, you know, this new embrace of diplomatic expansiveness that we're seeing from the administration kind of goes both ways as well. a right wing member of the israeli cabinet, bezalel smotrich, he's the finance minister and has been since 2022. he was, you know, essentially persona non grata in washington, not in any official capacity. but people weren't speaking to him. he's a settler in a settlement in the west bank that is considered to

be a settlement that is illegal under international law. he has been in washington and he's been having meetings. so a lot of this now is changing. we're seeing this new administration taking a new initiative to speak to just about everybody, and not just hamas, but also lawmakers on the far right. so we're seeing a big change. and again, the question becomes whether or not this is actually going to affect any change on the ground. we're at a critical moment for that because right now we saw the very end just on saturday of the first phase of that treaty between hamas and israel that was pushed forward by the trump administration even before trump came to office. it was on the terms that the biden administration had been negotiating for the better part of the past year. now that first phase has reached an end, the israelis have made clear that they don't want to negotiate on to a second phase that would see a more permanent sort of treaty in the gaza strip, and it would eventually see the full and final withdrawal of israeli troops from the gaza strip. instead, hamas has said they want to see negotiations moving

on to the second phase of the treaty. the israelis have said that they want to see a seven week extension of the first part of that treaty, which saw weekly exchanges of hostages held in the gaza strip for a palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. so once again, we're reaching a critical impasse and a threat that we could see war renew in the gaza strip, really? >> and that one american hostage still being held, aiden alexander, a young man from new jersey, still with gaza. and hopefully he gets home soon. nbc's matt bradley live for us in tel aviv. matt, thanks so much. we appreciate it. so, john, obviously this is it's always a delicate time in this negotiation between the two. but now a conversation between the trump administration and hamas on the one hand. on the other hand, the president united states posting on his social media account that hamas better come to the table, better stop what it's doing or it's over for you. fair to ask what he means by that, exactly. >> yeah, a little bit of a. carrot and stick approach, it would seem here. and we also, in

the last day or so as part of this, we've heard from some of the gulf states with their own suggestions about how to rebuild gaza and the future of that enclave because they so oppose president trump's suggestion that it be cleared out of the palestinians who live there and then redeveloped. israel has backed that. israel now opposes what the gulf states are suggesting instead. but this is i mean, we should take trump. you know, this post yesterday came right after he met these families of the of the hostages, of those who had been there. it was an emotional meeting, i am told. so it's hard to know exactly if there will be follow through to what he said yesterday. but these are these are this is not the first time he has issued a stark warning to hamas, saying this conflict needs to end. these hostages need to be released or there could be real punishment. and he said that israel will get whatever it wants in terms of weaponry. we know the biden administration briefly paused some of the heavy armaments that could change. maybe even more arms would head to israel to

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>> time republicans. >> got this rowdy at the capitol, nancy pelosi. >> had to bleach. >> her desk here. >> not the first cane incident in the house representatives. in 1856. one congressman bludgeoned another with his cane. so we're a long way from that, at least today. welcome to the fourth hour of morning joe. it's just after 6 a.m. out on the west coast, 9 a.m. here in the east. we'll dive right into the news this morning. we've got a busy hour for you. the trip. the trump administration continues its efforts to slash the federal workforce. this time with a focus on the department of education. it comes as elon musk met with republican lawmakers last night about doge. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander brings us the latest. >> this morning, the president reportedly taking aim at a department that affects schools across the country. the wall street journal, citing people briefed on the matter, reports president trump is expected to issue an executive order as early as today aimed at abolishing the department of

education. >> i say, what do these people do? what do they do? >> nbc news has not independently confirmed the report. the president cannot abolish an entire department without the approval of congress. but the administration may look for ways to defund programs instead, according to the washington post. president trump has said his aim is cutting down inefficiency and waste. the impact on american schoolchildren could be far reaching. the department of education says it serves more than 50 million students across the country. democrats and labor unions have argued dismantling the department would be devastating. >> class sizes. >> are going to balloon. >> we know that that one on one attention that the students need will not be there, and it will affect our most vulnerable students. those who are living in poverty, those who have disabilities. >> meanwhile, the president's top lieutenant, elon musk, who heads the department of government efficiency, huddling privately with congressional republicans. >> there's a lot of. >> room. >> a lot.

>> of opportunity to improve. >> expenditures in. >> the government. several senators telling nbc news they discussed the possibility of a package to make doj's sweeping cuts permanent, an option that came as a surprise to. >> musk, who. >> pumped his fist and danced around the room, according to lindsey graham. >> he was, like. so happy. >> among the federal firings to come. veterans affairs secretary doug collins announcing his department is aiming to slash 15% of its workforce. as many as 80,000 employees. >> now we regret anyone who loses their job, but we will be making major changes, so get. >> used to it. >> democrats are warning veterans will be the ones who suffer. >> this staffing cut is a betrayal of our promise to our service members. it is outrageous. >> that was. >> nbc's peter alexander with that report. elise jordan is back with us now. and joining the conversation, we have msnbc host symone sanders townsend, nbc news national affairs analyst and a partner and chief political columnist at puck,

john heilemann, and opinion columnist for the new york times. and jason, thank you all for being here this morning. so let's start with you to reaction to peters package. more sweeping cuts. musk yesterday, you know, taking some heat from quiet heat. but from republicans. we hear reports that a memo has gone around the department of veteran affairs, 80,000, 80,000 jobs throughout the country could be lost. and today, perhaps as soon as today, the department of education tossed aside. >> what is so interesting about the va jobs? we are talking about people that answer the crisis hotline for our veterans when they are calling. we're talking about nurses. my mother in law was a nurse at the va for more than 30 years in maryland. we are, and we're talking about nurses at the va in pittsburgh. this goes directly to the heart of the belief, frankly, from folks that work for the president, that the government is just not necessary. and that's a direct contrast to what the previous administrations, i

would say have believed is that the government should work for people. there's different. there's always differentiating just tax, if you will, that people take. but this trump 2.0 doesn't believe that the government should work for anybody. they want to break it. so i just to all those republican strategists out there that i talked to before the election that said, oh, some policy paper about the abolishing the department of education. oh, do you guys really going to believe some effing policy paper? well, the policy paper has made its way into the policy of the government, and now we are seeing the ramifications of this election. they have consequences. >> they certainly do. and, john heilemann, this wasn't explicitly what trump ran on this past year. i mean, certainly he wants to get the deep state, all that. but 80,000 cuts in department of veteran affairs. i mean, that is that's something to simone's point. that's going to affect everybody republicans, democrats alike. you know, we heard from fox news host last week or so pleading with trump and musk to reconsider some of the cuts

because his friend, a veteran, was going to be impacted. this is only going to increase that tenfold. it seems like it's pretty dangerous politics. no. >> yeah, really dangerous. >> politics, jonathan. >> and i would say. >> you know. simone is a. is 100% right when she talks about the. >> you know, the difference. between past administrations and this one. we have had. >> a lively and robust. >> debate between. >> republicans and democrats, particularly in our lifetime, over the proper. >> size and. >> scale of. >> the of the federal. >> government post, you know, new deal post. >> great society and. >> the notion. >> of eliminating the department of education, whether you. >> like that. >> policy or not, has. >> been part. >> of republican ideology, has been something that many republicans have. >> proposed over the course of the. >> last 20. >> 30 years. >> it is a. totally different scale and. >> a. >> totally different kind of political introduce a level of totally different political volatility. >> when you. >> start talking about the va,

which. is a thing about which very few republicans and. no democrats. >> has ever. >> ever want. >> to run. >> around for making arguments. >> for cutting. >> the. >> veterans affairs. >> administration, not just because the service in the military. >> is. >> revered in the country. >> rightly, but also because so much of that of the va. workforce has. >> to do with veterans health. >> and if there's anything that we're committed to in america nationally on a bipartisan basis, is taking care of the health of the people who have served the country's military. so i think it's maybe one of the most. politically dangerous things that the administration is undertaking. i'm not sure if they understand. >> the level. >> of backlash that you could see in republican districts throughout. the country if those kind of cuts go through. >> to. >> the va. >> yeah, we've seen anger already at town halls prior to these cuts. and john is right. the last previous administrations, including trump the first time around, tried to expand help for veterans. taking a markedly different tack this time around, we haven't even

mentioned tariffs. we'll get to that with andrew ross sorkin in just a few minutes. but at the moment, now let's turn to overseas, where french president emmanuel macron is urging europe to be ready to defend ukraine without u.s. support. under this version of the trump administration. in a prime time address, macron warned that if ukraine is abandoned, russia will not stop there, threatening france and the rest of europe. macron called for more arms and equipment to deter future attacks, adding that to remain a spectator in this dangerous world would be crazy. meanwhile, earlier this morning in brussels, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy met with the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen, who announced an ambitious plan to strengthen both ukraine and the rest of europe. >> we want a peaceful strength. and this is. >> the reason. why i present today. >> to. >> the leaders, the rearm europe

plan. the rearm europe. plan provides up to 800 billion for defense investment. it gives the member states fiscal space to invest in defense. it gives the member states possibility to invest in the ukrainian defense industry, or to procure military capabilities that go right away to ukraine. >> you made a. >> strong signal. >> to ukraine and people, to. ukrainian warriors, to civilians, to all our families. and it is great that we are not alone. >> we feel it. >> and we know it. thank you so much for everything. >> and your latest column for the new york times has this headline, putin is ready to carve up the world. trump just handed him the knife. it reads in part this what happens to ukraine now before zelensky's visit to washington. the best case scenario was for russia to agree to a ceasefire in exchange for the roughly 20% of ukrainian territory that it currently

occupies. that would leave millions of ukrainian citizens, those who live in the occupied territories and those who have been displaced east under the rule of russian totalitarianism. now that outcome, which was never likely to begin with, appears all but impossible. we are now in the realm of the worst case scenario, in which it is possible to imagine putin launching a renewed offensive against ukraine aimed at total domination, this time with the active assistance of the united states. putin doesn't just want a return to the 20th century, he already resides there. and that is where anyone looking for what could happen next should turn. and let's get you to expand upon this. obviously, what we saw in the oval office last friday. destabilizing for so many, particularly ukrainians. and it does feel like there has been a fundamental shift in this white house's approach to the war, where, as some have said, seems

like on the kremlin's side. >> it seems. >> very clear. >> that trump. is on. >> the kremlin's side. >> and what. >> that means. >> is, i mean, it's. >> terrifying to contemplate. putin has made it very clear that the reason he attacked ukraine. >> was that he wants to. >> reclaim russia's role in the world. >> in particular. >> russia's role in europe. russia's role in europe. >> before the end. >> of the cold war. >> was that. >> it dominated half the continent. >> that's really. >> what he wants. >> and of course, there's no guarantee. >> that he would stop there. of course, the reason that. >> european leaders are stepping up. now. after last. friday's disastrous. meeting at the white house. >> is that they. >> know they're. >> under direct threat. that is what french president macron. >> said to his people last. >> night in. his televised address. >> russia has already. >> responded by. >> threatening macron back. >> this is escalation. >> of. >> the kind that we haven't. >> seen in our lifetimes. >> and really, the only thing we can compare. >> it. >> to. >> is the. >> middle of the 20th century.

>> well. >> and i wanted. >> to talk to you about that because in your piece, you built out the analogy that this is a. >> equivalent to neville chamberlain. and when he. >> appeased germany. >> back in the day. do you. >> really think. >> that that. >> is the historical flashpoint. >> that we're at? >> is it that dire? >> and what is. >> kind of a happy. >> middle ground that could. >> be. >> met, where. >> trump clearly is not. >> going to. >> go on with full throttle support? but what would be the best case scenario. >> for the. >> ukrainians at this point? >> you know, i don't. >> want to fantasize about the. >> best case. >> scenario for ukrainians. >> who realistic best case scenario, right. >> so realistic best case scenario. >> at. >> this point. >> is not on the table. >> where the. >> realistic best. >> case scenario. >> was ceding to. >> putin 20% of ukrainian territory, already. >> a disastrous. outcome for. >> millions of ukrainians, but. something that i think ukrainians could accept because they want an end to the war more than anyone wants.

>> an. >> end to the war. >> but leaving them with. >> no defenses. >> leaving them in a place where putin basically. >> would have time to regroup. >> and that's still the. >> best case scenario, right? the worst case scenario is that he. escalates right now, and that the united states starts helping. >> him in some way. >> so let's take this beyond the borders of ukraine. obviously, french president macron alarmed and warning that russia could strike further. but whether russia actually goes on the aggression against these other european nations. talk to us how you see the changing relationship between the us and europe, our longtime allies, who now is under great strain both militarily and economically. is this going to be is this going to do you see the continent sort of re shifting its own focus to become a lot less reliant on us? >> well. >> that's what. >> macron said last night. and that's that's what european. >> leaders have been. saying because. >> they see. >> what's happening. it's very hard to predict what's going to happen. we are in completely

uncharted waters as far as the european continent. >> is concerned. >> it has had the united states as a guarantor. >> of its. security since. >> the end of world war two. >> that period is over. what happens now is something. >> that we've never. seen before. >> all right. the new. >> piece. the must read online now for the new york times, opinion columnist for the times, m and m, thank you so much. thank you. coming up here on morning joe, we'll get the latest from wall street as investors try to make sense of trump's partial tariff rollback. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will join us ahead of the opening bell. plus, our next guest warns that consumer prices are never coming down, but says that could be good news for democrats. that's straight ahead here on morning joe. >> you heard about it. >> you heard. >> about detroit. >> heard about pittsburgh? >> yeah.

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>> and auto parts coming from mexico and canada. >> the president. >> is giving them. >> an exemption for one month, so they are not. at an economic disadvantage. >> that move after the white house says it heard directly from ford, general motors and stellantis. and just hours after the president acknowledged in his address to lawmakers that americans could have to pay more while also downplaying the impact. >> there will be a little disturbance, but we're okay with that. >> according to one estimate, tariffs will cost the average american household 12 to $1300 more a year for the goods they're buying now. >> it's going to cost. >> them more. building the average house is going to cost more. >> from hardware stores to the supermarket shelves. suppliers and shoppers are preparing for price increases in the coming days. >> we want to make sure that we. >> give. >> our customers the best value and the best, freshest products. >> available at grocery stores like stew leonard's. >> that includes foods from canada and mexico, like fish and

avocados. >> do you think you'll adjust. >> your menu with your. >> kids and stuff. >> based on. >> some of the. i mean. >> i guess. >> how prices come in? >> definitely making more at home than going out and things like that, because i'm sure the restaurant prices are going to go up too. >> and while the grocery chain says it will try to absorb some of the cost increase. customers may also see higher prices. >> whoa. >> back in washington, fears of a trade war ramping up as china, canada and mexico threaten to retaliate to the tariffs. the chinese embassy in the u.s. tweeting earlier this week, quote, if war is what the u.s. wants. >> be it a. >> tariff war, a trade war, or any other type of war, we're ready to fight till the end. the trump administration responding yesterday that america will always be prepared to defend itself. >> well, that was nbc's christine romans with that report. and stock futures have fallen again this morning as investors continue to weigh the impact of trump's tariffs. joining us now to help us sort it out, co-anchor of cnbc's squawk box and a new york times columnist, andrew ross sorkin,

and editor at large at newsweek, tom rogers. andrew, starting with you, a little bit of a reprieve for the big three automakers, a temporary one. but the markets, at least so far, still seem to be pretty sour. >> well. >> look, uncertainty, as we've discussed so many times, is the enemy of business. you can't make a. decision about whether you're going to make an investment long term or short term. >> or otherwise. >> you can go back and look at. >> january, which is actually. >> a good month. >> just from a data perspective, to look at folks who thought. >> that there would be more mergers. >> and. >> acquisitions, more dealmaking, given the sort of deregulatory environment and. >> everything else. >> well, it was at. >> the lowest level since 2015. >> why is that? >> because people don't know. >> what these. >> tariffs really are. >> going to mean, what it's really. >> going to look like. and i think you're going to start to see it. >> in some of the numbers. >> i was talking. >> to a real. >> estate executive earlier this week. they have effectively pressed pause. >> on building new buildings. >> in part because they're. >> waiting to find. out how much

some of the. supplies are ultimately going. >> to cost. >> the idea that gm and ford now have this temporary reprieve, well. >> is it temporary? >> is it permanent? >> what does that look like if. >> you're gm or ford? what does it mean? >> do they have to actually start. building new factories. >> in. >> the us? and what would it take to force. them to do that? meaning how long would the tariffs is a. psychological issue. >> how long would. >> the tariffs have to actually. >> be on. >> before some. >> of these companies. >> would say, oh, you know what, actually, maybe we are going to come back to the us and if they do our cost going up or. >> are they going down? >> the likelihood is. >> they. >> go up for everybody. >> andrew, in. >> dealbook today you write a bit. >> about who has. >> trump's ear. >> when it comes to. >> these tariffs. >> and can. >> you talk. >> about will potentially there be relief for the agricultural tariffs because there's been huge backlash about those tariffs in particular. >> well that's. >> actually a. >> great question because there is this issue of whether we're just going to see a carve out after carve out after carve out. so maybe what we. >> see is the trump

administration put on what. >> might be described as broad based tariffs. >> and then. >> you start to see them. carve out industries, the auto. >> industry being one. agriculture being another. >> so i think we don't know. and so it's going to take some time to really figure out, you. >> know. >> which industries are. >> going to win, which industries. >> are going to lose and who really does. have the ear of the president. >> you know. >> peter navarro would like to see, i think, broad based. >> tariffs on everything and. >> really force the issue. i think. >> howard lutnick, on the other side of. this issue, is trying to be. >> a bit more pragmatic about how. >> to. >> approach it. given what the. president says he wants. >> to do. >> john heilemann, you take the next question to andrew. hey. >> andrew. >> there's i. think there's. >> two questions, right. >> one of them. >> is. >> what's worse, the. >> uncertainty or. >> the. >> tariffs themselves. >> from the. >> business community's point of view. and second, what is the business community's view currently of the person. >> who. >> really has trump's ear more than anyone? >> elon musk.

>> oh, goodness. >> you know, i think the uncertainty in this case actually. >> whether the tariffs. >> are on. >> or. >> off. >> almost doesn't. >> matter in. >> some regard, because the truth is that if the tariffs were. >> on. >> there would still be the possibility that they could be taken off. right. and so. >> i think there's. >> a little bit of. >> a play there in terms. >> of how this could all work. as it relates. >> to elon musk. >> i. >> think it depends on. >> what. >> industry you're in. i think. >> if you. >> are in the automobile. >> industry, i think. >> if you're in the. >> space business, i think if you're in. >> the. >> ai business, you are. >> concerned because. >> you are worried that he has the ear of the president. having said that. >> you know, and maybe. >> it's surprising to. >> folks. >> you go and. >> look at how sam altman from. >> openai, who is the nemesis. >> of elon musk, ultimately. >> made a deal, or at least. >> was standing behind the. presidential podium announcing. >> his big deal. >> a couple of. >> weeks ago. now, with softbank's ceo. >> so i think there's. >> a bit of. >> mixed messages in.

>> terms of elon. >> musk and. >> the. >> relationship and what that will mean to them. >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin. >> andrew, thank you as always. talk to you again soon. even before trump's tariffs went into effect, a recent poll again taken before the tariffs were implemented show that 50%, 57% of americans expect prices to go up in the next six months. tom, in your latest piece for newsweek, you argue that consumer prices are never coming down. news that's going over like a lead balloon at this table. but tell us what you mean. >> well. >> the thing that really got me on that. path was what issue could the democrats own that would bring them back a winning political hand? as bad as the implementation by trump may be of immigration policy or ukrainian war or government spending, i think it's. >> very hard for the. >> democrats to own. >> that issue in a way that's. >> going to bring them back some

political redemption, but they can own consumer. prices and consumer prices, arguably. >> is the issue. >> that lost the election for the democrats. >> i have to remind. >> people that. it wasn't any kind. >> of. >> landslide or mandate. >> it's 115,000. votes in three states. that made the difference between. >> harris and trump. and i think a lack of focus on consumer prices by the harris. >> campaign really. >> was the lethal blow. >> having said that, i think it's. >> the issue that the. >> democrats can. >> bring. >> back their their hand. >> and the reason i. say consumer prices are never going down. >> is because. >> they never do. and unless. >> you hit. >> a deep recession or depression where you. >> have deflation. >> taking hold, prices just continue to go up and people confuse the rate of inflation, how fast prices go up with prices going down. having said. >> that. >> trump doubled down in his

speech to congress and. said he was going to reverse prices. bring them back down. frank luntz this morning on cnbc and a great. >> interview with. >> andrew said voters are expecting prices to come down and in six months they are truly expecting trump to do that. >> that's not going. >> to happen. >> now, that doesn't mean that some individual prices won't come down. we may get to the other side of bird flu and egg prices come down. when it comes to gasoline prices having nothing to do with drill, baby drill, but just a worldwide commodity that is fluctuates based on sanctions on russia or iran or what's going on. >> in terms. >> of the chinese economy may come down some. but overall prices just continue to go. >> up. particularly grocery prices. >> so if the democrats have to refine their their language here, some they've gotten pretty good at saying, well, when trump talks about greenland or the

panama canal or paper straws. >> he's just. diverting attention. >> from the economy. he's just diverting attention from inflation. they have to get it more focused. when are you bringing prices down? because the answer is he isn't and he can't. >> i think there are lots of people that are like, oh, the prices are not going down in the at the last year of the biden administration. tom, one of the things they talked about was this, like greedflation, they tried to put a fancy label on it, but it's essentially that the companies don't have to have the prices so high, and it's really going after the companies to work for the consumers, if you will, and bring their prices down. it's like you go to the grocery store, you open a bag of chips after you've bought them, and half the bag is air. that's that greed, inflation. but the chips are still the same price. is that the kind of laser focused messaging you think would be helpful for democrats? they need to be in more grocery stores. >> well, i think they need to focus on prices. certainly, i don't think. price gouging and that effort by the biden

administration was the. right thrust, because there is really not. >> price gouging. >> as the. >> basis for higher prices. >> prices continue to go up. >> i think. >> the biden administration had a pretty good record on bringing the rate of inflation down. it was 9%, and they brought it down to under 3%. and it wasn't focused enough on i think they have a rightful claim to be able to have. >> the battle cry. >> going forward when it comes to high prices. we fight them. he ignites them because some combination of budget deficits, tax cuts, mass deportations and. other tariffs are going to ignite inflation one way or another. any one of them could ignite inflation. the combination of all those could certainly drive prices higher. so i think the democrats are taking the mantra we fight them. he ignites them is a good way to

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book with the title making sense of slavery america's long reckoning from the founding era to today, explores how slavery has been studied in the u.s. and the book's author, historian scott spillman, joins us now. scott, good to see you. in the book, you write in part this we sometimes think of this process of reckoning with slavery as new. it is not slavery. slavery first became a major problem in american life around the time of the revolution, and americans have wrestled with it ever since. not to mention all the other related issues such as race and labor, agriculture and industry, culture and conquest, opportunity and inequality. the study of slavery matters because it affects not only how we think about the past, but also how we draw the boundaries of social and political possibility in the present and for the future. the history of slavery studies is

itself a history of american politics, society and thought. so, scott, let's we'll do present day in a moment. but let's start with with take us back through the history here in the aftermath, you know, as slavery still existed in parts of the united states and then in the aftermath of the civil war, how was it studied then? >> sure. >> yeah. so thanks for having me. and as you mentioned, my book is an intellectual history of the study of slavery. and, you know, while slavery still existed, scholars are really wrestling with it as a live political and social question. and so they're starting to think about, like, what is the economy of slavery? is it turning a profit? is it good for the country's economy as a whole? what kinds of effects is it having on society? how can we justify it? if you're, you know, a pro-slavery person or how can we attack it? and if you're anti slavery, obviously all of that

changes with emancipation at the end of the civil war. for one thing, slavery was no longer around, and so people couldn't observe it firsthand. and so the study of slavery shifts into the realm of memory and then eventually history with people having to, you know, go to the archives, go to different kinds of sources and study it. one other thing that happens is the rise of the research university after the civil war. and so instead of the study of slavery occurring kind of more in public with sort of gentlemen, amateurs and political combatants, it becomes absorbed into the research university takes place in research seminars and graduate schools, and people are wrestling with it at a time when reconstruction is being rolled back. and the sort of racial constitution of the country is being remade. and so people are looking to slavery either. as a model for race relations going

forward or as a reason why, you know, black people need to be given political, social, civic equality. >> hey, it's symone sanders townsend in the. so your book, you talk about again and you write in the opening line, this book is not about slavery. it's instead about how americans have made sense of slavery. i am really struck by the just historical figures that you discuss throughout the book and the threads you pull on, like w.e.b. du bois, you talked about reconstruction. his book, the black reconstruction, was the first account of reconstruction from the perspective of a black person. it was very controversial at the time. i'm wondering how that plays in played into your research for this book, kind of what you gleaned from it. but also, you know, the reality is there's a nigerian author that once wrote, as long as until the lions have their own historians, the history will always glorify the hunter. and it seems as though

that when we talk about the study of slavery in this country, the practice of slavery and enslaved people, the lions have not had their own historian. the hunters have their own historian. and that's why the history reads as it does. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's a really good point. one thing that the study of slavery shows us, i think, is the many ways that we've often fallen short of the ideal of objective scholarship owing to, you know, bias, discrimination, political influence. >> and some. >> of the most obvious and blatant cases of this are from that late 19th century, early 20th century period when figures like du bois and carter woodson are just starting to do their work and they're pushing against, you know, white scholars like this guy from georgia who i talk about named ulrich phillips, who saw slavery as sort of a beneficent institution that could serve as a model for the nation's race relations. and this is one

reason, i think, why, you know, diversification and democratization are so important in education and higher education. the more different kinds of people, the more students we have going through the system, the more likely we are to subject scholarship to some necessary skepticism, no matter where it's coming from, and get new and interesting ideas. and so you do see that with people like woodson, who starts the journal of history in 1916, you know, pushing back against the ideas that were prominent at the time. and then you see it even more powerfully, i think, in the middle of the 20th century, as the lead american universities become more open, you know, to immigrants, to working class people, to black people, to women. and the result is this really amazing explosion of new ideas about slavery in the 1950s, 60 and 70. >> the timely new book, making sense of slavery america's long reckoning from the founding era to today, is available now.

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>> welcome back. nearly two months since the devastating wildfires in los angeles. many families whose homes survived the flames are still not able to return. and now some find themselves in a fight with california state insurance program. nbc news correspondent liz creutz has the latest. >> we built the house. >> we put. >> every dollar we had into it. >> ian hardcastle. >> seems like one of the. >> lucky ones. >> i was. >> shocked that it's still here. >> his pacific palisades home survived the. devastating l.a. fires. this is the plaque. >> the tree he and. >> his wife veronica. planted in. >> memory of their. >> late baby girl. >> charlie, remarkably. >> still standing. >> we like to think that she. >> was kind. >> of looking. >> over our house in the neighborhood, and that's the. >> reason why it's still here. >> but their home is far. >> from habitable. >> inside, black. >> ash. >> covering nearly. >> every surface. >> okay, so they have been testing for fire emissions in the air. carcinogens, gases. because it's not just about this visible ash that we see here around the home. it's also about

the toxins that we. >> can't see. >> toxic debris. >> expert don. >> johnson says anything. >> porous is likely. >> tainted within the nursery. what are the concerns there? >> so the concerns. >> that i have is we're. >> finding hydrogen. >> cyanide gas in here. >> do you. >> suggest someone move. back into this home. >> as it is. >> right now? no, not. >> not with what. >> i'm seeing right now. >> no. >> but the. >> hardcastles, who are now in a rental. >> with their one. >> year old and another on. >> the way. >> say their insurance. the california. >> fair. >> plan doesn't appear to see it that way. >> they sent us a document, unprovoked, that basically pointed to language, saying that smoke. damage will only be covered if something is ruined. >> and destroyed. >> visible to the eye. >> what? that could mean. >> hundreds of thousands in out-of-pocket. >> expenses. >> replacing everything from the drywall to. >> furniture, even your clothes. >> but the insurance. >> company kind. >> of treats you like the. >> forgotten stepchild. >> they just say. >> it looks okay. >> it's just dirty. >> dirty. >> clean it clean. >> and the hardcastles. >> are. >> not alone. >> thousands of. >> other fire victims. >> also rely.

>> on the. fair plan. >> the state's. insurer of last. >> resort. >> a plan that in 2022. >> was found. >> by the state's department of insurance. >> to have. >> been illegally. >> underpaying or denying. >> smoke damage claims. >> finding the fair plan disputes. attorney dylan schaeffer. >> has litigated against the. >> fair plan. >> for years. >> in california. fair plan takes the position that the family, which includes very, very young children, should move back into this house and clean it themselves. so his options are essentially accept the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars, or hire me and file a lawsuit which nobody, nobody wants to do. >> or the other option, move back. >> into a home that could. >> make you or your family. >> sick will make him sick. >> ian is. >> hoping the test results from. >> inside. >> his home. >> will. >> sway his insurer. >> but just. >> this week, he received this. >> initial estimate for remediation. >> roughly $1,800. money he. >> won't get because it's within. >> his deductible. >> we don't live. >> in a house. >> that poisons us. >> the california fair. >> plan declined to comment. >> on the. hardcastle's case, but in a statement said the. >> fair. >> plan pays all. >> covered claims. >> including smoke claims

consistent with. >> california law. >> and that our. >> policy and approach to direct. >> physical loss is consistent with. >> other insurers. >> if your plan is an outlier, buy a very, very big distance. they believe that these homes are not damaged. state farm and liberty mutual and usaa. they will acknowledge that the homes are damaged. and then the question becomes what they pay. >> for now, the. hardcastle's left in limbo. questioning how they'll be able to get back to. >> the home. >> that means. >> so much. >> we want. >> to come back when. >> it's safe to come back. >> yeah. we don't. >> know when. >> that will be. >> that was nbc's liz kreutz with that report. that does it for us this morning. we'll see you again tomorrow at 6 a.m. eastern. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's coverage right now. >> right now on msnbc, breaking news from the white house. an executive order to abolish the department of education could come today. can the president push the limits of authority to give it the ax? plus, breaking news on the hill. the house to vote this hour on whether to censure