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other industries could also see a little relief. in europe, president zelensky meets with eu leaders and hopes that ukraine and the u.s. can secure a minerals deal and reset relations. while some u.s. allies consider scaling back on the intelligence they share with washington, as the trump administration seems to move closer to the kremlin. and before the potential second phase of a ceasefire with israel. the president hits hamas with another ultimatum as his team engages in direct talks with the designated terror group. good to be with all of you. i'm alex witt. in just two hours, president trump will sign another round of executive orders as tariff whiplash hits the country and the stock market. in fact, the dow. look at it. it is down there. 376 points and change. after a rocky start this morning over tariff confusion. and just moments ago, the president temporarily rolled back portions of his days old
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25% import tax on mexico, agreeing to pull all import taxes on goods covered by the usmca, the north american trade deal, implemented during his first term as a replacement to nafta. now, this morning, president trump lashing out at canadian prime minister trudeau after he said the trade war will continue, quote, for the foreseeable future. but the u.s. commerce secretary saying he expects canada could get a carve out similar to mexico. >> if you lived under donald trump's u.s, mexico and canada agreement, you will get a reprieve from the tariffs now. and if you chose to go outside of that, you did so at your own risk. and today is when that reckoning comes. >> but here's the thing. the north american supply chain is so interwoven that a single car part might cross the border 7 or 8 times before a vehicle is finally ready to roll off the assembly line. and all this can
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because things are changing so quickly. just this morning. things are changing so quickly here. so what we most recently heard through a truth social post from president trump is that he is going to pause the new 25% tariff on mexico after having spoken to the mexican president just in the last hour or so we believe, saying that this was a decision that would allow goods that are compliant with the usmca, that us, mexico, canada trade deal that president trump himself brokered in his first term. goods that are compliant with that trade deal would not be subject to this 25% tariff for a month. that, of course, follows what we heard, as you noted earlier today from the commerce secretary, howard lutnick, that perhaps something like this would be happening for both canada and mexico, though we haven't heard any more about canada at this point. and this comes after us automakers got an exemption just yesterday from president trump after these tariffs went into effect early early tuesday morning. and so that's the timeline of how
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things have developed over the last couple of days here. again, this is the president saying that his major concern was about the flow of fentanyl, in particular across the us border, from canada, from mexico. but there were also some concerns that perhaps this wasn't just about drugs, that perhaps it was about fair trade as well. and so now we're seeing a pause for car parts. we're seeing a pause in total for mexico on goods that are compliant with this trade deal. and i should note that this trade deal effectively said that if products could meet a certain requirements for having been made in north america, then they would be tariff free. so that explains the usmca, i think, in a nutshell. and christine will correct me if i'm if i'm wrong about that. and so that's where things stand right now. we're still waiting to hear whether there might be some change with the canadians and this tariff. and you noted that this all changes in a month because those reciprocal tariffs on everybody that the administration announced would go into effect. and so if the
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canadians or the mexicans have tariffs on any us imports exports, then it would also apply to in the other direction. alex. >> you did a great cheat sheet on that one. thank you so much for that. and again, it is april 2nd that this all runs out. so christine, to you explain what the usmca covers generally and the sectors that you think could be next. we know auto with regard to canada, what is it with mexico? is it food? it's a lot of food. >> it's also autos, too, because some of those auto parts are going back and forth across the border. as you pointed out, the usmca is essentially the nafta replacement. the usmca is donald trump's trade agreement. >> right. >> and so that's what the automakers and so many of these industries have been arguing. they're like, wait a minute, wait a minute. in 2020, this is your deal, mr. president, that you put into place. and now you're telling us this deal is not is not good enough. so they at least for now, for the next month, everyone who agreed to that deal will be able to keep these rules. and we're talking about in fact, i printed i was printing a list of what they
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are, and it's still printing over there. it's thousands. and thousands of items. it's autos, trucks, auto parts, it's fruits, vegetables, textiles, manufactured goods, washers, dryers, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, cosmetics, chemicals. it goes on and on and on. so there's a lot the bulk of american trade falls under usmca. >> is there something one sector that does not fall under that to your mind? >> interesting. like, i mean, most of the stakeholders were part of this negotiation with the first trump administration to make sure north american trade fell under this bucket of rules, these rules that allow those parts to go back and forth so many times, if the bulk of the if a certain majority of the car is actually assembled and made in the us, then then if the parts are going back and forth, they didn't have to pay tariffs. and mr. trump wants to get rid of the rules, basically that he he helped devise. and the auto industry is where it really would be felt dramatically and right away. also all the stuff that, you know, avocados, for example, next week i was talking to grocery stores yesterday. they're already printing the signage for the higher prices for next week. >> how long is that going to take? just a week for that. for
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about a week. >> to about a week. yeah, but now they've got a pause. it looks like on the avocados now, so we'll see at least for a month. but it's still uncertainty. i mean business owners are still facing an awful lot of uncertainty. they don't know what happens in april. >> and it is extraordinary because trump implemented this in july of 2020. what has changed so radically in the last four and a half years for him to pivot this way? >> i mean, that's the question. and i think a lot of people keep reminding him, this was your trade deal, mr. president, but he feels like canada cheats. that's what howard lutnick said. and canadians say that's not true. he's really angry about fentanyl, and rightfully so. there should be no fentanyl crossing these borders. and so he's using sort of he's using trade to do a lot of different things that he wants in terms of priority for the administration. >> with fentanyl, i think only 43 pounds were confiscated crossing from canada right into the united states to. >> illustrate stories on those borders. >> absolutely. peter, let's get to you. i'm curious, what leverage do you think the big three use to get this pause? we're talking about ford and gm, we know made big donations to trump's inauguration. is there
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any kind of a concern that donald trump is playing favorites? >> well, he does play favorites. he has, from time to time shown that he's willing to pick winners and losers in the marketplace depending on his his whims or his, you know, ideas of retribution in some cases. but look, you know, he he, like many americans, of course, venerates the old idea of american carmakers as the symbol of american manufacturing power, economic strength in the world. and i think, you know, when they say, look, this is going to cripple our business. this is going to make things a lot harder for us that has an impact on him. he sees that as a potential, you know, damaging not just to the economy, but to his reputation as a, you know, a steward of the economy. so they have outsized influence in that sense. but, you know, i think all this back and forth is up and down. it's on, it's off, it's on for this. but not that. that's not what business wants. business wants predictability. they want to know what the rules are going to be this week, next week, in april, in may, because
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they make a lot of plans based on that. and this kind of volatility, i think is exactly why the market's going down right now if you invested in the market when donald trump came into office, you've lost money at this point. and that's not what he likes. he loves showing the stock market going up as a metric of his success. right now. it's obviously, you know, looking the other direction. >> yeah. even though only about 10% of americans are actually invested in the stock market. but let me quickly ask you, peter, what is the mentality in the white house behind the scenes for all this chaos, chaos? do you have different chiefs of different departments doing something and then they're trying to get others to play catch up. are they not communicating properly? why do you think it is so chaotic? >> well, look, mark would've been better about this than i will. he was in there and i'll. >> be. asking you that first. >> but i but i was just talking with a former trump aide just a few minutes ago. in fact, he said, look, he is the he is the most short term thinker in the history of the world, right? this is not somebody who is
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often thinking in big strategic terms. he tends to react to what he's been told. he tends to react to events. he he follows his instincts, whatever they might be. on any given day, somebody gets on the phone with him and tells him one thing. he tends to kind of, you know, take that in and begin to act on it until somebody gets him on the phone and tells them something else. so, you know, within trump world, there's always, of course, this struggle to, to influence him, to get information to him, to get sometimes disinformation to him, to shape his decision making thinking. but they also know that the decisions could be different in a day from now. i think he thinks that acting tough by putting on tariffs gives him leverage in these negotiations, and then when he can pull them off, he demonstrates his power to penalize or reward depending on other people's behavior and that they have to respond to him accordingly. and he does see get some reaction that way. other nations and other players do respond to his threats and his imposition of penalties. >> i'm going to ask you specifically, mark, about
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tariffs in a sec. but but to this point, remember during the first campaign back in 2016, it was said often that the last person to get in donald trump's ear before he would get out on a campaign platform, on a stage to speak, that was the most effective thing, because that's what he would talk about when he was out there campaigning. is that true? something that peter just alluded to? do you think that exists? and that is what contributes to the chaos? >> you know. >> alex. >> i don't. >> think he's that mercurial. >> i think the reality. >> is that there's a couple positions. he's been very. >> consistent on one. >> the border. >> the other trade. and i think that in the first. >> administration. >> there were a lot. >> of. >> people and advisers around him who advocated for the benefits of trade, whether or. >> not that. >> was secretary mnuchin or teams inside the white house. then he seeing gary cohn and larry kudlow or the vice president's office, or even, frankly, when mike pompeo was secretary of state, who viewed it as positive for international relations, he has surrounded himself this time with a group of advisers who are who are true
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disciples and believing that protectionism is the right policy, not just economically but from a national security perspective. and so it looks far more whimsical right now. i think he's probably reacting to the markets, but he advertised pretty clearly in his speech of the night that come april 2nd is not just reciprocity tariffs. it's going to be tariffs on aluminum, on steel, on copper against the eu. and so this is really just the tip of the iceberg. and i think that he's not going to want to look weak and continuing to retreat from promises he's made on tariffs to then pull him back. and so i think we're in for a more protracted trade war, regardless of how the news cycle of today goes and whether or not there's relief in canada and mexico, in the short term, he's still signaling that we're going to have more tariffs. and i think that the advisers around him all are in unison and supportive of it. >> okay. but here's how americans across the board mark seem to be already feeling the tariff anxiety. take a listen. >> it definitely. >> costs a lot to get groceries
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and stuff right now, so i hope that it doesn't go up too much. >> i'm just crossing my fingers hoping things will, you know, will get it better. it will not be that quick, but soon it will happen. >> i mean, we don't have a choice if there's certain things that we need, especially food, we don't have a choice but to purchase, you know? so, i mean, what are you going to do? it's anticipated that the spring sales will be down significantly. >> our metal roofing is going to go up 25% as well as sheetrock. contractors are going to have to raise theirs. it's going to cost them more. building the average house is going to cost more. >> so mark, the president has called this a little disturbance. but how big is this political gamble? because taxpayers aren't going to want to bear with it for too long. >> i think it's. >> a. >> huge political gamble. i think the reality is that a lot of americans voted for him to secure the border, and there's been a lot of progress on that in the first six weeks, but also on the economy. and i think that this his trade policy is an enormous wet blanket on his deregulatory and continued
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extension of tax relief policies that are very pro-growth. and so i think this is really counterproductive to his overall economic agenda. and i think that it's also very damaging politically. and i and i think that there's going to be, you know, more and more uncertainty because i said, i don't think it's just right now, i think it's been advertised. there's a lot more coming about a month from now. >> okay. a big thanks to my power panel, aaron gilchrist, christine romans, of course, peter baker and marc short. and we are also following this breaking news from capitol hill. everyone where the house has voted to censure democratic congressman al green of texas for disrupting president trump's joint address to congress on tuesday night. ten democrats joined all the republicans present in approving the resolution. it ended up as a 224 to 198 vote. joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie sirkin. julie, my friend, what does this censure vote mean for both the congressman and for democrats in the house? >> well, think of the censure vote as essentially a slap on the wrist. it is meant to be an
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embarrassing note in the record of a member of congress who is censured. it is something that was rare. it's becoming a little bit more frequent as the capitol has grown, just more polarized. we've seen this happen to republicans. also, when democrats were in charge of the house. now, of course, we're seeing it in the case of al green. and it came after that moment during the president's joint address to congress when mr. green, a democrat from texas, stood up and interrupted the president. about four minutes into his speech. the speaker, johnson then ordered the sergeant at arms and capitol police to then forcibly remove green from the floor because of his outburst today. the vote was interesting, though. we had green voting present as he has in the last couple of days. on the other matters related to this censure vote. and we also had democrats, as you mentioned, ten of them, vote with republicans to make this happen. in terms of what comes next for green. well, like i said, it is a slap on the wrist. so he will continue on performing his duties as a member of congress. he's not going to get removed from the committees he sits on or anything like that. but again, just an embarrassing mark more than anything on his
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congressional record. alex. >> yeah, okay. julie sirkin, thank you so much. from capitol hill in 90s, president zelensky meets with european leaders at an emergency summit in brussels with new concerns over u.s. russia relations simmering among allies. >> sadly, windshield chips can turn into windshield cracks, but at least you can go to safelite. com and schedule a fix in com and schedule a fix in minutes. sweet safelite can com upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week and buy a winning lottery ticket. -can i come? -only room for one. how am i getting home? sittin' on my lap like last time, ronald. fine, but i'm bringing this.
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intelligence with ukraine. >> very candidly, they brought it on themselves. ukraine is what i mean by that. >> so this is european leaders are holding emergency talks today on ways to increase their military budgets to help ukraine. ukrainian president zelenskyy, at the meetings in brussels, thanked europe for its support. >> you made a strong signal to ukrainian people, to ukrainian warriors, to civilians, to all our families and it is great that we are not alone. we feel it and we know it. thank you so much for everything. >> zelenskyy also meeting with french president emmanuel macron today after macron said wednesday that europe must be ready to defend ukraine without u.s. assistance. joining me now is nbc international correspondent kelly cobiella and evelyn farkas, former assistant secretary of defense. she is now the executive director of the mccain institute. ladies, welcome to you both. so, kelly, what happened to today's meeting in brussels? and is europe stepping up to help ukraine?
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>> well, the big message coming. >> out. >> of the meeting, in the words of the danish prime minister, is spend, spend, spend on defense and deterrence. european leaders say they're close to agreeing to spend more than $850 billion to rearm europe. i think the figure is closer to 8.65 billion. the european commission president, ursula von der leyen, calling this a watershed moment for the continent. poland's president andrzej duda urging nato members as well to immediately hike defense budgets to at least 3% of gdp, saying if the whole of nato, of the nato alliance does not increase defense spending, he said putin may decide to attack another country. french president emmanuel macron saying european countries will also combine resources to buy and produce some of the most advanced and modern munitions, tanks, weapons and equipment, and also floating the idea that france's nuclear arsenal could
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be used as a deterrent to protect the continent from russian threats. that message was welcomed by poland and the baltic states today. moscow has responded to it, calling it extremely confrontational. in the more immediate future. france's top intelligence chief said today that france will continue providing military intelligence to ukraine, and the government is also looking at how to accelerate various french aid packages to make up for the u.s. suspension of military aid. just in the past few minutes. president zelenskyy has spoken after holding talks with macron. he said that we have a clear vision that real peace is possible through cooperation with the u.s. alex, just to note that at the same time, they're talking about spending more money on defense. some european leaders also trying to push zelenskyy toward talking to the u.s. again. poland's president duda encouraging him to, quote,
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return calmly to the negotiating table with the u.s, saying that if a minerals deal is reached, that will make ukraine strategically important to the u.s. and contribute to its security. absolutely. alex, we are we're waiting on a final statement from the e.u, but we haven't had that yet. >> but indeed, i was just going to say europe has reiterated several times to zelenskyy, we need the u.s, you need the u.s. so let's get back to the to the table as soon as we can. so, evelyn, the question to you is, how are lieutenant general kellogg's comments putting this on ukraine going to be interpreted by zelenskyy? >> well, okay. first, alex. >> i was actually. >> in the room. when general. >> kellogg was making. >> his comments and he went even further. he talked about the minerals deal as sort of really the only deal. when he was asked about security guarantees for ukraine, he said, well, not everything is kinetic, which is
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kind of interesting coming from a general, because really a security guarantee has to involve kinetics, meaning it has to involve the military. an economic guarantee is not a military guarantee. it's not a security guarantee. so unfortunately, i think what we heard from, you know, general kellogg in that public forum. well, it was a public forum, but it was open to the press at the council on foreign relations today would alarm president zelensky. and though i'm guessing that he would not be surprised, and that might explain why he was really hesitant to just sign the agreement without clarifying the issue of a security guarantee for ukraine. >> but you don't think it would upend him returning to the table to speak with the united states? speak with trump. >> it might. i mean, what i was quite alarmed myself to hear that it sounds like the president, the administration, is considering another reset. there are four living presidents, starting with president bush, actually
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starting with president clinton and then going through all four living presidents. they've all tried to reset with russia. and actually, i think all of them were more or less at least the last three with putin. and so and none of them worked. we know what putin's agenda is. he's not going to suddenly change his stripes because president trump is a different kind of negotiator. putin is going to stick to his agenda. and so i'm quite concerned not just for ukraine, but for europe, which obviously is showing their own concern and frankly, for the united states and our interests. >> look, specific to donald trump. nbc is reporting that as trump is pivoting towards russia, some of our allies are considering sharing less intelligence with us. what are the concerns of our allies, and what would this mean for the u.s. if there is a dwindling of intelligence sharing? >> well, alex, i mentioned reset. you know, the previous presidents tried to reset by using diplomacy, by getting
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russia to cooperate with us on certain things and cooperating with russia in a way that served them. so, for example, providing transit through russia to afghanistan, that that provided money to russians and also helped our troops. in this case, it looks like we don't know what president trump might provide to the russians. and we know in the first trump term, when he was in the oval office with the russian foreign minister and the russian ambassador, he revealed highly sensitive intelligence that we were sharing with israel, but it involved israel. and so i think that the allies are quite nervous about what president trump means when he's talking about a reset. and president trump has not clarified that for us. we don't understand fully his approach to russia, frankly. >> well, here's another concern, because nbc news evelyn is reporting that president trump is considering a major change to the u.s. participation in nato by favoring alliance members that spend a set percentage of their gdp on defense. how would
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this work? >> well, what you're not seeing on the screen right now, alex, is me wringing my hands. nato is an alliance. article five is part of the alliance. it says that, you know, an attack on one is an attack on all. when we were attacked by al qaeda, you know, coming out of afghanistan, all of the allies came to our defense and fought then against the taliban. so we had a very clear understanding then. and nobody, nobody hesitated. you can't you can't pick and choose among the allies. every ally who signed on the dotted line now has the us commitment, which has been ratified by the us senate. so in order to change that treaty, all of the members, all 32, would have to decide to amend the treaty. and i highly doubt they're going to do that based on a random thing, like how much you're spending year to year on your defense. of course, we should all spend more, or the europeans certainly should spend more, but they have been
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increasing and 23 out of 32 have met the 2% threshold. and there are five who are above three, which is to say they're higher than the us in terms of their their spending per gdp. >> okay. kelly cobiella. evelyn farkas, ladies, thank you so much. next, hamas leaders respond to new ultimatums from president trump, with tensions running high as dozens of hostage families hope the hostage families hope the ceasefire prilosec knows, for a fire... one fire extinguisher beats 10 buckets of water, and for zero heartburn 1 prilosec a day... beats taking up to 10 antacids a day. it's that simple, for 24 hour heartburn relief... one beats ten. prilosec otc. this is what joint pain looks like. when you keep moving with aleve. (♪♪) just 1 aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted joint pain relief. aleve. strength to last 12 hours. ♪♪ grandma! ♪♪ still taking yours?
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>> the white house has confirmed for the first time ever, the u.s. is in direct talks with hamas. it's a group long designated by washington as a terrorist organization. those reported talks are all in an effort to negotiate the release of american hostages still being held in gaza. but president trump may have further complicated those efforts. following a meeting at the white house with recently freed hostages yesterday, president trump posted a threat toward members of hamas and palestinians in gaza, saying, quote, it's over for you if those remaining hostages are not released immediately. joining us now, nbc news international correspondent matt bradley, who's joining us from tel aviv, and former cia officer marc polymeropoulos. he is a nonresident senior fellow at the atlantic council. welcome, guys. matt, how is israel reacting to the news of these direct talks? first of all? >> we got a very terse. reaction that said almost nothing from the prime minister's office, alex. but we did hear from actually israel's envoy to their
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consul general in new york. he spoke with israeli media and he said very terse as well. but he said, that's okay. he said that it sounds as though he's supporting the fact that the united states is speaking directly to hamas. remember, israel, of course, not only considers hamas to be terrorists and designates them as such like the united states, but also considers them to be their arch enemy, hamas being the authors of that october 7th attack that started this latest round of fighting for the last year and a half. so it's surprising that they might accept that, but it really is an indicator of just how warmly the government here in israel is embracing the new trump administration and just about anything they do. they are so confident that the trump administration is on their side, even if that means reaching out directly to designated terrorists. >> and, mark, it's the new york times that reports israeli officials did not hear about these talks from the united states, but from, quote, other channels. how unusual are these
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talks right now? and what worries could israelis have? mark has said they're probably comfortable, they believe in the united states having their back. but why would the trump administration go it alone with hamas without including israel? i'm curious if this is a new trump type approach, given the administration talks with russia, not including ukraine, over ending their war? >> well. >> alex, let's first note that if the biden. >> administration had done this, there would have been an apocalyptic reaction, both. >> from members of congress. >> and also from the israeli government. so. >> you know, there's. >> there's certainly a different level of reaction here. as as matt noted, i'm not sure the consul general, the israeli consul general in new york, is speaking for exactly for the israelis, because he also saw a statement from the israeli prime minister's office saying that essentially, the americans know our position on this. but i do think that this shows some level of frustration in the trump administration that this move from phase one to phase two is not going well, and that they're willing to. try something else.
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>> but at the end of the day, i. >> think that doing this without the israelis look is not a good idea. when the biden administration actually suggested this. >> i and many others said. >> well, hold on a second. this doesn't seem right. the israelis should be a. >> party to the talks. >> and the real question is, will these negotiations directly between the us and hamas go anywhere? that is something that certainly we have not seen unfold. and of course, the statement yesterday, well, the truth shows truth. social statement from president trump threatening a hamas kind of throws those direct us hamas negotiations into some turmoil as well. >> and look, matt, let's pick up on that statement being thrown in and how it will complicate things, because it has been almost a week since the cease fire ended. right now, there are no plans for extending it. so how have things changed since saturday? is there any hope for another phase to the cease fire? and again, what donald trump puts out on truth social? how does it complicate negotiations?
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>> yeah, i mean, alex, i mean, we're talking about what donald trump just said on truth social. i mean, we already heard from hamas, almost a shrug, almost an eye roll on in several successive statements, the last one being just a couple of minutes ago from their spokesman, essentially saying that the enemy's threats won't get them anywhere. and it was unclear whether the enemy was israel, who constantly are making threats against hamas, who are at war with hamas, or whether he was referring to donald trump himself. but the fact is, we haven't really heard much moving on from this. so it doesn't sound as though this is really complicating anything anymore. but the circumstances have changed dramatically over the nearly a week since that cease fire expired. we saw that the israelis, the day after on sunday, stopped allowing in further aid into the gaza strip. and they said that any aid that goes into the gaza strip goes to hamas. and so they were going to stop it. now, that elicited widespread criticism from the united nations, from partner countries of the united states in the region, saying that the
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israelis were using food as a weapon of war and saying that it was tantamount to a war crime, that it was illegal. now, however, we have heard that prices for food items have spiked in the gaza strip especially. it's really dire during this holy month of ramadan. but this is a situation that looks like it's going to get worse, and it really does look like both sides with the lack of any progress in those negotiations, are teetering once again on the edge of an all out war. >> mark, i want to get to a question about the us and israel, which has rejected a reconstruction plan for gaza. it was proposed by arab states. what happens next? >> well, you know, once. >> again. >> the israelis don't seem to want to talk anything about the day after. and you can make a very kind of coherent argument that, you know, there was never going to be any, you know, wholesale destruction of hamas. the notion of eradicating hamas was not possible. we needed a day after we needed perhaps a renewed palestinian authority or
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some kind of arab initiative to move in. and if this is going to be rejected, you know, there's doesn't seem to be any kind of solution to this, because at the end of the day, there is there is going to be hamas members in gaza, hopefully not armed. but the idea of removing them entirely just doesn't seem feasible because there was never any movement for a day after plan. and i think this is, you know, this is coming home to really to bite the israelis. now, so many of us had called for this to be so much part of the last several months of negotiations. the israelis have rejected this. so now we're stuck with this, with this idea that hamas has to be eradicated. but it is almost a growing insurgency right now. no real, real solution in sight. >> okay. matt bradley, marc polymeropoulos, guys, thank you so much. next, the trump administration drops the legal battle in idaho over the right to an abortion in a medical emergency. what that decision emergency. what that decision could mean for abortion rights your record label is taking off.
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situations. idaho's largest hospital system has succeeded in getting a temporary pause, though, preserving access to emergency abortions for now. but there is real legal uncertainty for women and doctors, and the idaho case has major national implications. joining me now is mark heron, senior counsel for the center for reproductive rights, which is suing idaho on behalf of women denied emergency abortions due to complications. mark, welcome. give me a sense of the big picture here. what does this move by the trump justice department mean for potential mothers in idaho right now? and are you concerned this could extend to other states imposing their own strict limits? >> so alex, this is really basic. >> this is about. >> what happens when you have an emergency and you go to the emergency. >> room and you need health. >> care because your. >> life or your. >> health is in danger. for over. >> 40 years. federal law has. required hospitals and emergency rooms. >> to provide.
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>> the. >> care that their patients need in order to stabilize them when their life. >> or. >> their health is in danger. >> what the. >> trump administration. >> doj's dropping of this case yesterday means is that the. >> trump administration. >> is not going to enforce that federal law when the patient is a pregnant person, and. >> the care. >> that they need is an abortion. idaho has one of the strictest abortion laws in the in the in the nation. there is no health exception. and the way that the doctors and hospitals are interpreting idaho's law is that they are only allowed to provide abortion care. if a patient is essentially on the verge of death, they can't provide care to protect a patient's health. they can't provide a care even if they know that the patient may be at risk of death or some serious health condition if they remain untreated. and so federal law is what requires hospitals to provide that care in emergency
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situations. and the trump doj apparently is saying we're not going to interpret the law that way. you know, it's really ironic because president trump keeps talking about, quote unquote, protecting women in sports and locker rooms or in bathrooms. but when the woman at issue is a woman going to an emergency room and needs emergency abortion care, there is no protection for them. >> that's an extraordinary disconnect that you've just pointed out. so your case mark against idaho specifically, what's the goal? are you confident you're going to win and what are your biggest hurdles. >> so our goal is to both get clarity and around the exceptions to idaho's abortion ban, and also to try to expand those exceptions. so as i mentioned, there is no health exception in idaho's total abortion ban. there is only an exception if an abortion is necessary to save the pregnant person's life. and so without
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the injunction that has been in place for a while under this federal law, that that a federal court has put into place, idaho hospitals were airlifting patients out of, out of idaho to states like utah or washington, where they could get the standard health care that they need because they can't get it in idaho. we're going to see that continue without an injunction. fortunately, the federal court yesterday did issue an injunction. we're the care, the relief that we're seeking in our case would interpret idaho law and the idaho constitution as allowing doctors to basically practice medicine the way that they were trained. and that means if abortion care is part of the necessary care for their patient to protect their life or their health, doctors should be able to provide that care without concern for being charged criminally or sued civilly, or having their license taken away.
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>> does this get bounced back to the supreme court, do you think, mark? >> well, the federal case that was in which the district court issued the tro and that you mentioned saint luke's, the largest health care system in idaho, filed their own case. and so if the federal court there issues an injunction, i imagine that idaho may appeal that injunction. it could make its way back up to the us supreme court. absolutely. >> okay. which means we're going to have you back. there's a lot to talk about. mark heron, thank you so much. coming up next, a new moon landing and new exploration as a private exploration as a private spacecraft takes center stage. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. can deplete their coq10
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youtube for about the last hour and a half. and we can confirm that it appears that athena, this dishwasher like vehicle that you just mentioned with six legs, made a landing on the moon's south pole. and as you mentioned, this is the second lunar landing that's happened in the last week, which is quite incredible. this texas based company called intuitive machines actually landed a different object on the moon last february that was called odysseus. that time around, odysseus actually tipped over, which was pretty unfortunate. this time around, it's looking like athena has managed to stay upright. and that's great news because athena has a lot of work ahead of it. as you mentioned, its primary goal right now is to look for ice water below the moon's surface. and most scientists believe that the most amount of water on the moon does exist, in fact, on the moon's south pole. and the reason this is so important is because nasa has the goal of trying to get astronauts back to the moon in 2027. so all of these experiments that athena will be
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the temperature is okay. and then there's also going to be a drone that's looking at different craters around where athena lands, looking for that ice water, as we were talking about, and also hydrogen alex. so this is pretty neat to be able to see it all unfold. >> can't wait to look at the moon tonight and see it a little moon tonight and see it a little bit differently. priya thank you when our numbers guy, frank, goes on vacation the deals on the most affordable german-engineered car brand in america get even better. he's coming back! hop in during volkswagen deal days. the deals are in while frank is out. models during volkswagen deal day. >> i love that my. >> daughter still needs me. >> but sometimes i. >> can't help due to. >> burning and stabbing. >> pain in my hands. >> so i use nerve.
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