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>> good day. i'm chris jansing, live at. msnbc headquarters in new york city. breaking news. >> trade war whiplash. >> the president announcing another tariff. >> reprieve, this time. for mexico. but stocks still. tumbling over all. >> these mixed signals. >> and this is just the latest angst inducing turnaround for team trump. more on the serious economic and personal turmoil. >> it's causing. >> plus, keeping. secrets exclusive reporting that some u.s. allies. may hold back intelligence from the u.s. out of fears it could be leaked to adversaries like russia. the implications of what one official is calling an historic shift. and this jaw dropping footage out of south korea. how did fighter jets drop multiple bombs on a civilian area by mistake? a lot to get to on a thursday. but we start with that. breaking news. president trump announcing just a short time ago he is suspending tariffs on most goods coming in from mexico, at least for the

next month. he said the decisio, just two days after those tariffs went into effect, is in response to mexico's president addressing his concerns about the border and drug trafficking. there's no word on whether he'll do the same for canada since earlier today, trump blamed prime minister trudeau for what he calls the tariff problem. take a look at the markets. the dow down roughly 479 points, 480 points. it was up over 506 hundred earlier today. economists blaming all this instability in the markets on the sheer amount of confusion around this trade war. a week after elon musk warned his doge agency wouldn't bat a thousand, we are seeing intense cases of washington whiplash. here's just a couple of examples. 180 cdc workers laid off two weeks ago, now told to come back to work. a list of more than 400 federal buildings supposedly for sale. well, the list got downsized and then it was completely erased. i want to bring in ashley parker,

staff writer at the atlantic, with me in studio nbc's brian chung and elise jordan, former white house and state department aide under white, under president george w bush. both ashley and elise are msnbc political analyst. all right, brian, i know you've been working the phones. tell us a little more about what the president just announced. >> yeah, it's been pretty dizzying the developments over the course of this week. so the tariffs just kind of rehash here began at midnight on tuesday. and that was 25% on all imports coming in from mexico and canada. and then now we have the exemption yesterday on the automakers themselves. and now at least with regards to mexico, that exemption now applies to any good that is a compliant with the usmca, which is the trade deal that the united states has with mexico and canada, which, by the way, was negotiated by president donald trump in his first term in 2020. so it does seem like that would cover a large amount of goods here. so agricultural producers that maybe export fruits and vegetables from mexico to the united states can breathe a sigh of relief, at least for right now, because, as was clear in

that truth social post from the president, this agreement is until april 2nd, when he plans, by the way, reciprocal tariffs for nearly every other country around the world. so again, there's a lot of questions here about how this will be implemented. canada. we haven't really heard their side of the story right now quite yet because as, as, as at least the case for right now, as of 1 p.m. eastern time, is that the tariffs still apply to everything from canada coming into the united states, again, with the exemption of those automotive products, at least for the time being. >> we don't know at least how the president defines hard work and cooperation. right. we didn't get any specifics, but he said it was enough to lift these tariffs on mexico for the next month. he hasn't been specific about what, for example, he wants out of canada or any other country that might be involved in this. is that by design? so he can basically impose them, take them back, impose them, take them back. is there any consideration at all for the people whose lives, livelihoods, jobs depend on all of this? >> that seems. >> to be. >> less a consideration.

>> than what the markets are doing. >> and you had heard so many of. >> donald trump's. >> associates and business leaders. say that when the. >> markets start to go down. >> donald trump. >> is going to get freaked out and he's going to reverse course. >> and we're. >> seeing that happen a bit. and i also would cite president claudia sheinbaum of mexico is really impressive. her approval ratings are sky high in mexico. she's a liberal economist who cleaned up mexico city, and she seems to be doing a good job managing that relationship, at least in this moment with donald trump. >> all right, ashley, we know the stock market isn't the economy. but as elise just pointed out, we also know the president watches the markets closely on other days when he's delayed or lifted, tariff markets went up. not today. what does that tell you about the way investors are viewing the president and his actions? >> well. >> i'm not an economist, but i will say my understanding. >> is markets. >> respond to. >> stability and predictability. and despite president trump.

>> very famously. >> in his first term, declaring himself. a very stable. >> genius. >> there is nothing particularly stable. >> about the way trump is governing. right now, the way. >> he is. >> threatening tariffs, imposing. >> tariffs. >> pulling tariffs back. is chaotic. >> it is unstable. >> and you are seeing that reflected in the markets and among investors. and again, this is not directly tied to the markets. but you even look at what we're seeing with with ukraine and some of our european or should be our european allies, our traditional transatlantic allies. and there is a view now and again, this is also from now investors and economists in the market on tariffs that that they can't count on donald. >> trump. >> that he will say one thing, then he will do another thing. and so they are treating him as such. again, you do have these world leaders trying to placate him and in some cases responding to what he wants to get the tariffs delayed. but macro big

picture. there's an understanding around the globe in talking to ambassadors and other people in washington, d.c, that you cannot count on donald trump and you should behave whether you are an investor, whether you are a diplomat, whether you are a leader of an ally or not, you should behave accordingly. >> yeah. and of course, the markets don't like uncertainty. we've said that time and again, brian, but so here you have a situation where nobody knows what's coming next. nobody knows what donald trump is going to respond or not respond to. by the way, china, our biggest trading partner, right. if you're looking at like what americans buy every day non-food, so much of that comes from china. so many parts of various things come from china. so even this temporary suspension, what it goes until april 2nd. so we're not out of the woods? >> no, not at all. and you bring up a really good point too, is that china is not part of the conversation with these exemptions right now. there was already a 10% that was slapped on the first week of february.

and then this week we saw another 10% added on them. and there's really no sign or we haven't heard any sort of communications from the white house that suggests that they would ease up on china, at least for the time being. so for the purposes of these exemptions, we're really zoning in on our neighbors to the north and south. but you bring up the idea of uncertainty. if you are a small business or a large business, you don't like the idea of these looming tariffs, regardless of whether or not it sounds like on any given day or any given hour, that the white house feels optimistic that there could be an exemption on this type of product or that type of product. people have been preparing for this for months. in fact, in some cases even before inauguration, because they had known that president trump had promised on the campaign trail very aggressive tariff policy. so if you are a small business and you stock up items from china, from mexico, from canada, then probably months ago you were stockpiling and putting in aggressive amounts of orders that could last you for a year, maybe even longer than that, to get ahead of these tariffs as opposed to have to check every headline every hour to see whether or not the tariffs on your specific products are on or off. it's kind of this like

schrodinger's cat, you know, it's like you don't know if it's alive or dead. it's like schrodinger's tariffs. you don't know if it's happening or it's not happening in any given hour. >> yeah. and elise, the president keeps saying this is to benefit the country. this is to benefit the american people. and you've got to wonder if they're going to going to continue those who do to feel that way. the most obvious is like, you lost your job. no you haven't. you lost your job. yes you have. but beyond that, if you read at all, you realize, okay, there are people literally making decisions about how they're going to live their everyday lives because can they afford to give fresh fruit and vegetables to their kids, talk to anybody who works at or runs a food bank, what they've been through, i mean, the domino effect of all of this is extraordinary. and again, the one thing we didn't hear and haven't heard from the president is an acknowledgment of what this means to individual americans, chris. >> and that's the hard part about this. it is just a disgusting exercise in power at the end of the day, to keep everyone around the world on the

edge of their seats and living in this uncertainty. it's about more than just, you know, the stock market dropping. it's about people who are living paycheck to paycheck and wondering if they're going to still have a job to pay their rent and if they're going to have food for their children. and so when someone like donald trump has ultimate power, we have seen he likes to have this cat and mouse bait and switch. it's much like with mayor eric adams and how he his charges were dismissed without prejudice. they could still be called back. >> ashley i also noted some of the other examples of what could i think generously be described as mistakes coming out of this administration. change of heart. workers fired and brought back. for example, elon musk met with republicans on capitol hill. here's what some said about his work afterwards. >> did he. >> say anything to him, like the concerns that he has to slow down, take a little bit more of a cautious. >> no, i mean, i encouraged him to go as fast. >> as possible. >> because we're going to lose

our. guts 100, 150 days. this bunch is going to oh, man, that's cutting into my. >> did any members ask him to slow down, to be more cautious? speed up. that was the only thing. absolutely. yeah. >> so at least for some of them the message is speed up. is are you hearing anything that suggests anything but that full steam ahead? >> so i was going to say those clips were interesting because privately, what i have been hearing. in many cases, and again, and not all is frankly the exact opposite. that speeding up and cutting the federal government and waste and fraud and abuse of course, that sounds good. that's an 80 over 20 issue that nearly all americans agree with, but that in practice, a lot of these lawmakers, including republican lawmakers who may not feel comfortable saying so publicly, are worried about elon musk's approach, are worried about these cuts, are hearing about them back in their districts, are worried about not just the

immediate mistakes that you gave, those examples of that that happened and that are allegedly corrected, but are also worried about things that doge is doing that may have latent, unforeseen consequences that we don't know about yet, that a cut now. may seem fine or go undetected under the radar, but in six months or a year may have potentially devastating consequences. and so there is real concern about what he is doing. and i have specifically heard that in terms of that, it will create political problems for republicans. >> brian chung and ashley parker, thank you. elise jordan, you're staying with me in 90s europe looks to a future where they can't rely on the u.s. plus new reporting on how that could affect intelligence sharing with affect intelligence sharing with our closest allies. -honey... -but the gains are pumping! dad, is mommy a "finance bro?" she switched careers to make money for your weddings. oooh the asian market is blowing up! hey who wants shots, huh?! -shots?? -of milk.

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jordan is still with me here in studio. kelly, what more can you tell us about the conversations taking place in brussels today? >> yeah, all the talk is about spending money. chris, in the words of the danish prime minister, spend, spend, spend on defense and deterrence. european leaders say they're close to agreeing to spend about $865 billion to rearm europe, a changing budgetary rules so that countries are allowed to go further into debt. as long as that spending is on defense. the european commission president, ursula von der leyen, calling this a watershed moment for the continent. but the european bloc is also talking about how to support ukraine in a more immediate way. president zelenskyy, in a post welcomed europe's plans to rearm. urged them to allocate funds to produce arms in ukraine as well. here's what he said about the very warm reception today. >> you made a strong signal to ukraine and people, to ukrainian

warriors, to civilians, to all our families, and it is great that we are not alone. we feel it and we know it. thank you so much for everything. >> poland's president andrzej duda urging nato members to immediately hike defense budgets to at least 3% of gdp, saying if they don't, the russian president, vladimir putin, may decide to attack another country. and just one other bit of information coming out of these meetings today, france's top intelligence chief said today that france will continue providing military intelligence to ukraine, and the government is also looking at how to accelerate various french aid packages to make up for the u.s. suspension of military aid. chris. >> thank you for that. so, courtney, we learned earlier this week that the u.s. has paused military aid and intelligence sharing with ukraine. and now, apparently, u.s. allies are reevaluating their own shared protocols. what

can you tell us about their own conversations? or what do we know about what they're saying about potentially withholding intelligence from the u.s? >> yeah. and, chris, what's so critical about this is these are some of the united states closest allies when it comes to everything from economics, politics, military and intelligence sharing. now, these allies, according to a number. >> of former and current officials who we spoke. >> with, are now reconsidering the extent of their intelligence sharing with the united states. and that is because of this, increasingly, this increasing move or conciliatory tone towards russia by the trump administration and by the united states. and, chris, really, what is at the heart of this issue is protecting foreign assets and protecting the identities of those individuals who are it is considered sacrosanct in the intelligence community to ensure that these individuals, these foreign assets, are their names, their identities are never revealed. and of course, this comes as kelly was just saying that the united states has now

also announced they have cut off intelligence sharing with the with ukraine. but as kelly was just saying, the french and other allies are now vowing to step up. so the intelligence sharing with ukraine, while it's not clear how long that is going to be cut off, you know, if it's if it will restart or not, what is what is really key. and we are learning in the past day or so about this issue, is that the united states will continue to share with allies. those allies will continue to share with ukraine, in some cases even step up, as we just heard about france. and so ukraine should still get a lot of the intelligence that they need for the day to day fighting that they are undertaking with the russians, and that is including information that the united states used to provide to them about targeting russians and information about keeping their own troops safe from advances by the russian military. so, again, while it does impact ukraine not to have this u.s. intelligence, other allies are very clearly starting to step up. kelly or sorry, chris. >> that's okay. thank you.

elise. so when you worked for president bush, when you worked in the state department, did you ever imagine you would see the day when some of our closest allies were even considering withholding intelligence from the united states. >> and even allies outside of the five eyes coalition? you know, they had sources in there from like saudi arabia and the israelis who were rethinking how much intelligence sharing they're going to do, which is just really seismic, you know, if any of this does come to fruition. and certainly they're disavowing it, all of these officials, because that's what they have to do for right now. but. >> but help people understand that the us doesn't get that intelligence. why it matters. >> well, and certainly the us is the largest contributor. but at the same time, that intelligence has foiled so many plots in the years since nine over 11, you know, from the shoe bomber, from liquid's own plane to the raid on osama bin laden. this was a coalition allied effort, and it really is a vote of no confidence in the united states as a trusted arbiter, as someone

who is on the same team, if these allies are to pull away and withhold some of their critical information. >> kelly french president emmanuel macron, as you know, made headlines in his speech yesterday describing russia as a menace, saying he's considering extending the protection of its nuclear arsenal to allies and warning that europe was entering a new era, one potentially without u.s. support. i wonder how russia is reacting. >> well, not well, not positively. both the foreign minister and the kremlin spokesman calling it a threat and extremely confrontational. but you're hearing a different tune, of course, from european allies poland and the baltic states, all praising the idea that really like the idea of france potentially using its nuclear arsenal to protect the continent. moscow also today said again that it will not accept a european peacekeeping force in ukraine. so it would it would basically amount to nato entering a war on the side of

ukraine. but europe is moving forward with that idea. french president macron planning to gather european military chiefs next week to talk about how that might work. president zelenskyy commented on it a short time ago on that very lengthy post on x, he thanked the french president for his country's support, saying the two talked about the meeting next week of military chiefs and, quote, coordinated our positions and next steps. zelenskyy also said in that post that he hoped to have a meaningful meeting with the u.s. next week. >> chris kelly, cobiella courtney, qb, and leigh shorten, thank you all very much. well, hamas is dismissing what president trump said was his last warning to immediately release all the hostages in gaza. that threat, hamas argues, only encourages israel to continue avoiding talks to extend the cease fire. trump issued the ultimatum on social media yesterday after meeting with a group of former hostages in the oval office, writing

shalom, hamas means hello and goodbye. you can choose make a smart decision, he wrote to hamas, released the hostages now or there will be hell to pay later. the white house has confirmed that the trump administration is in contact with hamas. a break in longstanding u.s. policy not to directly engage with terrorist groups. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at the white house for us. we've heard trump threaten hamas before. much like this. but the question is, what now? >> hi there chris. well, yes, we just heard moments. >> ago from president trump's. envoy to the middle east, steve witkoff. he just. >> spoke with. >> reporters, and he. >> did. >> talk about how. >> the u.s. had been holding direct talks with hamas. the envoy for hostage affairs, adam baylor, has been meeting with hamas. and what i. asked him how long these meetings had been going. >> on for. >> it was unclear when we first heard about this yesterday. take a listen to his response. when i

asked steve witkoff how long these negotiations with hamas had been ongoing. >> listen. >> so my. >> i have not met with hamas. >> but my understanding is that any discussions. >> with hamas have been recent, not three. >> weeks. >> as has has been reported, but a couple. >> of days. >> and that's well. >> within the. >> ambit of the special envoy. in fact, that's his job. his job is to get these people home. we help in that effort. so i commend him for doing that. he cares about adam. >> cares about lives, as. everybody should be. and the. >> hostage families are, i think. >> grateful for it. >> and so is president trump. >> chris. >> as you mentioned, this breaks with longstanding precedent because the u.s. does not typically directly speak with terrorist organizations. if they do it all, they do so through intermediaries. so this is hugely significant. now, we did hear from the white house that the negotiators did inform israel of this outreach. and one

of the other questions that reporters asked, steve witkoff is, what does this do to the phases of this cease fire and this hostage release? does this essentially upend what's going to happen in phase two? where does this go from here? witkoff was very careful not to get ahead of these negotiations, but he did point to what the president said yesterday, essentially saying enough is enough and that his patience is wearing thin. but at this point, there are a lot of questions about where this goes from here. but the us directly talking with hamas hugely significant. chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. and up next, elon musk's cost cutting mission leads to the highest layoff numbers since the pandemic. we've got the numbers pandemic. we've got the numbers for my moderate to severe crohn's symptoms kept me out of the picture. now i have skyrizi. ♪ i've got places to go and i'm feeling free. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me.♪ and now i'm back in the picture.

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>> call 1-800-355-9395 or visit homeserve. com. >> for democrats trying to chart a path forward with donald trump in the white house, it's a simple question with a not so simple answer. sir, who do you think the leader of the. >> democratic party. >> is. right now? >> i think the. voting public. >> right now is what. >> i would say. and i keep telling that we're not going to have. >> a. >> charismatic leader right. >> in here and. >> save us from this. >> do you see. anyone who could be a national democratic figure? >> i mean, i see. >> a i. >> go ahead. >> i see a. >> whole lot of them. >> joining us now, symone sanders townsend, former chief spokesperson for vice president kamala harris and co-host of msnbc's the weekend. symone, if the party's former vp nominee. >> that was interesting, chris. >> is that we're going to call it interesting.

>> yeah. >> i mean. >> i mean, it's a tough question, but the fact that it is a tough question, isn't that a problem for democrats? >> i don't think so. this is a you know. >> the party is. not in power, meaning that they do not have the white house. they're not head of the senate and they don't have the house. and so especially when your. party is not in charge of the white house, when the president is not a member of your party, there is kind of a disparate, if you will, these various factions of the party apparatus. so instead of one leader, you've got someone leading the effort to reelect democrats in the house, some folks who are leading the effort to reelect democrats. >> that always exists. >> yeah, but that's what in the cycle that this is we're in that cycle where it's like there's no clear. there's no one person that says, this is what we do, which is the beauty of the moment. frankly, i know people want it to be the chair of the democratic national committee. but even chairman martin was clear that's not what he's being elected to do. he's being he got elected to go out there and rebuild and strengthen the brand of the party apparatus, get voters connected and make sure

that there's a strong primary process in place for 2028. >> see, but that's a behind the scenes kind of thing. i think the question really involves, is there somebody out there that can get people excited? democratic leader hakeem jeffries and other top lawmakers had a call to action last night, and i want to play a little bit of that. >> republicans are on the run. >> with respect to the economy. not a single bill, not. a single executive order and not. >> a. >> single administrative action. has been put forth by donald trump or house republicans to improve the economic circumstances of the american people. >> and folks are. >> taking notice all across the country. we are in an emergency, and i think it's all hands on deck. and we have to continue to push back aggressively in the congress, push back aggressively in the courts, push back aggressively in community after community after community. >> so leader jeffries says it's an emergency. but look, all

hands on deck is something that democrats have been saying, i think since it looked like joe biden was not going to make it. right. so what is call to action even mean at this point? >> well, i think because of the disparate nature of the party right now means different things for different people. i have been in the last couple of days quite critical of democratic house leadership, because they didn't allow their members to, you know, quote unquote, vote their conscience or do what they felt they needed to do for the joint session. they pressured them to be one particular way, and then they got these disparate actions anyway from the members, and then resulted in representative greene being censured today. and the members didn't didn't whip votes for greene. right. the leadership said, vote your conscience. and it just feels like what is going on. that being said, leader jeffries is he did a press conference today as well. and he was right in the sense that from house democrats perspective, they have held the line when it comes to some of this bad legislation. they haven't given votes. not one single piece of legislation from project 2025

has made it, you know, across the finish line in congress. that being said, the resistance, quote unquote, last time, it wasn't led by the members of congress, right? the people in the streets, the folks that really whipped up the energy that created the environment that was there in 2020, specifically in 2019, 2020, that wasn't led by elected officials. it was led by the grassroots, by the people. and i think the difference between then and now is a lot of those folks who are leading like black women, like a lot of these groups that were out there organizing, they've taken a step back post-election because they did leave it all on the floor, and the result was still the same. some folks weren't being listened to. >> so are you suggesting that the an even bigger problem than not having a charismatic figure who seems to be emerging? >> i don't think we need one charismatic figure. there are lots of charismatic democrats. let's be. >> very dramatic. >> figure would be good. if you're looking at electing a president next time. >> well, that's what a primary process is for at this time. before 2008, people didn't know it was going to be barack obama, right? the charismatic figure

that was leading hadn't necessarily emerged. he just had given a good speech. >> there was a lot of buzz. >> but he had only given a good speech. there wasn't. nobody thought that he was the leader. the party at the time, the folks that knew they coalesced behind secretary clinton. so i would just tell people to, like, quit looking for a savior. and my question is, what are the rank and file folks going to do? or if people really feel like it's a five alarm fire, which frankly, i believe that it is, you have the executive branch trampling on the co-equal branch of government, that is the legislative and potentially the judiciary. what are people going to do? are you going to allow them to literally dismantle our democracy from the inside out, without so much as a march outside the white house? no. so the people do need to be willing to stand up and then not just hold republicans accountable, but their democratic representatives. if you don't like what you saw from the state of the union, from from the joint session, from your democratic members, speak on it, call their offices, be outside their offices, demand that they do more because all of the elected officials work for us, not just the republicans that

seem to be toeing the line for the president. >> so i'm going to use one of the great movie lines of all time, show me the money. well, when there's trouble in a party, you follow the money, right? the new york times is reporting that the largest democratic fundraising arm, actblue, is facing internal chaos after at least seven senior officials left the group. obviously, every major candidate, the money goes through there and a lot of minor ones too. liberal donors. i've been hearing from a lot of people who raise money for the democratic party. they're saying donors are saying, what do you do for me? last time when i gave you several hundred thousand dollars. million dollars. right. how did dems turn this around in time for the midterms? because what i didn't hear you say, you know, and i think it goes part and parcel with what you're talking about with getting people activated again who are exhausted. they got to vote, but they also have to have money for the candidates that they want to support. >> money for. look, i do think the situation actblue does need

to get under control. i know that there are a number of strategists and just people that have, you know, that are very, really good at fundraising and they care a lot about this particular issue that are looking to help, because actblue is the way that democrats raise money. my republican friends, they don't raise through actblue. so if you're a republican and you give money to candidates you've never given through actblue unless you've ever given to a democrat. so i do think. >> that they tried with when and it didn't do so great. >> right? so i do think that the situation needs to get under control. i believe that it will. but this is a this is a pivotal moment. i agree with senator chris murphy. the next six months are going to be important here. what do elected leaders do? what are the grassroots folks going to do? the organizers? and then what are the people who, you know, they put a big d behind their name. they're democrats, right? they may be party chairs in texas or nebraska or minnesota or any of these places across the country. how are they organizing themselves? i will say, ken martin, he made good on his

promise, right. the dnc chair said, we're going to stand up this rapid response war room. the problem is these press releases are going out. thank you for the press releases. they are not getting covered. and so i want people to try things. and when they don't work, you got to be willing to do something different. you have to be nimble. the elected leadership in washington doesn't seem to be as nimble as the people are that they are looking to serve. they got to get more nimble if they're going to reach the people. >> symone sanders townsend, i'm so excited. we're going to have you on air even more coming up. >> i'm happy. >> to be here, but i'll always come for you. >> thank you. >> we love. >> that you can catch symone, at least now on her show the weekend at 8 a.m. eastern saturdays and sundays on msnbc. soon to move the whole gang to weeknights. coming up, an nbc news investigation into the toxic smoke and ash left behind on homes after the wildfires in california. the owners are now greg takes prevagen for his brain california. the owners are now battling their insurance

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