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>> it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports. at this hour, trump's tariff whiplash, the president again reversing his position on tariffs against mexico after a call with president claudia sheinbaum. what's behind this latest switch? and could the same news be coming for canada? also plans for ukraine. the emergency meeting today between ukrainian president zelenskyy and european leaders over aid to ukraine in its war against russia. the message from the u.s. as defense secretary pete hegseth meets with his british counterpart. the real fear for families across america right now over the possibility of ice raids at their children's schools and what it's doing to school attendance. plus, a 2025 moon landing, a spacecraft launched by a private company just landed on the moon after an epic week long journey. the mission that scientists hope it will

accomplish. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin in washington, where the president just halted most tariffs on mexico until april. nbc's kelly o'donnell is reporting from the white house for us. what's the latest at this hour? kelly? >> well, it certainly. >> when you say at. this hour, you really. >> mean at this hour, because. >> incremental changes are happening so quickly. and the president, who speaks so strongly about his belief in tariffs, is also quite willing to reverse when he has direct contact with key players like mexico's claudia sheinbaum, who is president and has a good relationship with the president, according to mr. trump and his social media post. >> where he has. >> emphasized that. >> he has. >> a good working rapport with her, and after a phone call, he is willing to limit tariffs for the next month on items that fall under the usmca, which was the trade agreement in the first trump term between the united states, canada and mexico. and we've often pointed to the

automobile industry as one of the areas where components are made across the three countries and ultimately assembled into one vehicle. so that's just one example. but those goods that would fall under that, which is a broad array of items, would give another piece of breathing room. and administration officials are also still stressing the issue of fentanyl and their concern about that illegal drug, getting into the united states and having deadly consequences. we've seen that with canada as well. there has also been a lot of pressure from the automobile industry. so we saw where that was reversed, not reversed with canada, but reversed with the issue of the automakers. and now mexico's president has been able to secure more breathing room for her country. it begs the question of what is the impact of these tariffs when it is merely threatened, used as a negotiating tool, when they're actually implemented, the impact

on the markets and much more broadly, the impact on businesses that have to do planning for all aspects of what they're involved in. and they don't know what the state of play is with respect to these tariffs. so it creates a lot of uncertainty. and as we've seen, one threat in one hour or one day may be reversed if there's some persuasive conversation that the president is involved in. chris. >> thank you so much, kelly o'donnell. let's go to the pentagon now, where defense secretary pete hegseth is meeting with his british counterpart. nbc's courtney kube is there for us. what do we know about the trump administration's message now for the u.k, as well as other allies? >> it's pretty it's been pretty consistent for the last several weeks, chris. and that is largely about money. so, secretary hegseth, while he was in europe on his very first trip as secretary of defense overseas, then vice president jd vance and the president have had a consistent message for

european allies, including the british, who you can see the meeting that literally is occurring right now upstairs from where i am, chris, the consistent messages you need to spend more of your your gdp on defense every single year. and now we are learning that, in fact, according to officials, the trump administration has even discussed making some changes to the u.s. relationship with nato and prioritizing those nato allies who make the higher percentage of their gdp on defense spending. and chris, while the number has been at 2% for the last several years, that nato allies are expected to spend on their defense, the trump administration is now talking about allies spending as much as 5%. i should point out the u.s. does not spend 5%. there are more around 3.9% of their gross domestic product every year is on defense spending. but some allies say that they are willing to spend more. the clear message out of the united states, out of the trump administration right now for nato and european allies, is

they need to step up and do more for their own defense of europe. chris. and we are seeing that also play out, frankly, with how the u.s. is responding to ukraine this week and last week. >> courtney qb thank you. now to fears of immigration raids at schools. that's leading to a drop in attendance. nbc senior homeland security correspondent julia ainsley is covering this for us now. we should say no one has been arrested by ice agents at any school. but the trump administration has changed a policy that would allow them to do that, right? >> yeah. >> that's right. there was a. >> long standing policy that goes. >> back. >> to the obama administration and the first trump administration kept in place. >> that. >> largely kept ice out of schools, houses of worship and hospitals. but we're speaking to schools across the country. >> now. >> who say that they are seeing a drop in parent participation, an increase in anxiety and a drop in attendance in denver public schools, which. >> has. >> sued the trump administration over this policy. we went to a school that said they've seen a 10% drop, and i spoke to a student there who said she's not

just. afraid about ice coming into schools, but that recent raids there, including one in which her mother was arrested, has made. her afraid to leave her mother or go to school. here's what. >> she said. >> she said. >> we were getting ready in the room to go to school, and then ice knocked down the door and we were really afraid. we started to cry. i mean, i was really afraid. my biggest fear was that they would send me to some place and deport me, and they would leave my babies. >> what do. >> you think about when you're in school? that they can come again. >> to school, and this time. >> they will. >> be able to enter. >> and they will take. >> us, she said. >> so you can. >> see there, chris. >> there's a lot. >> of fear. >> and look, a lot of the schools we talked to. >> say they. >> have to balance. >> this because they want. >> to tell parents and teachers and students what to happen if ice comes. >> to school. >> but at the same time, they don't want to scare. >> people out. >> of coming to school in the first place. >> we should say. >> ice has not yet been into schools to arrest students.

>> although there. >> was a parent. >> who was arrested. >> at a school drop. >> off in chicago, and. >> the department of homeland security. >> said that that was because that person had a tie or suspected tie to gangs, an ice. >> spokesperson said. >> in response to our. reporting that ice does not typically go into schools, but will reserve the right to do so on a case by case basis. >> julia ainsley, thank you. well, a robotic spacecraft the size of a washing machine just made it to the moon, but we still don't know its condition. nbc's priya sridhar is following that story for us. okay, well, first of all, what's the hold up on the status report? we're dying to know. >> hey, chris. that's right. well, space enthusiasts and investors alike are also dying to know when we're expected to hear from that houston based company intuitive machines. at about 4 p.m. eastern time. you're taking a look at athena right there. it's about the size of a dishwasher, as you mentioned, with six little legs. it was scheduled to land on the south pole of the moon at around 1230 eastern time today. they did have a live stream about an hour prior to that. that was

sort of counting down its final descent to the moon, but that live stream abruptly ended. and now the new york times is reporting that intuitive machines stock has actually been tumbling about 20%. as we await that press conference to find out exactly what did happen to athena. now, this company actually had a similar vehicle named odysseus that landed on the south pole of the moon in february of last year, but that vehicle actually tipped over. so that's what we're really watching for very closely right now, is to understand if athena was able to land upright, or if it also potentially could have fallen over. and the primary mission of athena right now is to look for ice water below the lunar surface. and really, the ultimate goal for nasa is to send astronauts back to the moon by 2027. and so what they need to do is look for all the resources that are on the moon

to help sustain astronauts during that mission. and athena is part of a bigger program called the commercial lunar payload services program, which is basically incentivizing private sector, american based companies to take some of nasa's devices to the moon to conduct these experiments and research that will help astronauts get to the moon in 2027. and, of course, all of this comes as we're also awaiting that spacex spaceship launch that's expected to be scheduled to launch at 6:30 p.m. eastern time today. that was postponed from its monday's scheduled launch. chris. >> priya. thank you. in 90s, can republicans meet their budget goals without making major cuts to medicare and medicaid? what a to medicare and medicaid? what a new report tells us. ♪♪ sonya earlene and marcia are among the thousands of real women living with metastatic breast cancer; doing what they love. and taking ibrance.

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disabilities, devastate older americans. >> there is simply no. >> way to. >> cut. >> hundreds of billions of. >> dollars in federal. >> medicaid funds without taking. >> health care. >> away from. >> millions of americans. >> all this sets up a major battle for republicans, and not just with democrats, but against a coalition of more than 100 politically savvy and powerful organizations, including aarp. joining me now is nbc's julie sirkin on capitol hill and former pennsylvania congressman charlie dent, who's also executive director of the aspen institute congressional program. so, julie, explain what republicans are trying to do and why the math doesn't add up. >> well, the congressional budget office, which is a nonpartisan entity that basically verifies and validates exactly how much congress is trying to spend. or in this case, slash had said what many republicans have been admitting to me all along in private, which is that there is just no way that they could get to the $1.5 trillion in cuts that is

outlined in this house budget bill that is championed by not only president trump, but but elon musk as well, without cutting entitlements like medicaid, like medicare, and of course, inside that budget bill are $880 billion worth of cuts that republicans, including speaker johnson, have instructed the committee that oversees medicaid to cut. the problem here is, though, as cbo or the congressional budget office is saying, that there is no way that the math adds up on that. it's what we've been hearing. it's what speaker johnson himself in some ways had admitted. he said instead of cutting entitlements, they will look at the workforce at fraud. but that still is only a couple of billion dollars, maybe 100 or 200 at that. again, nowhere near the amount that trump, that musk that republicans have campaigned and ran on cutting out of the deficit. and then, of course, you have moderate republicans in the house who only voted for that first step of the house budget resolution that would eventually inform the relevant committees to write the instructions, which would then fund president trump's agenda at the border, military,

immigration, those tax cuts that he's been talking about extending that can't even happen without the votes of all republicans in the house. moderate members that i spoke to said they only voted for that procedural step with the intention of negotiating, negotiating away how they're going to make these cuts happen. then you have the senate. senators represent entire states. so it's not just small pockets of constituents and districts they're worried about. they represent states in some cases where there is an elderly population where people really rely on these benefits and would certainly be frustrated and angry and perhaps even vote them out and cut into their margins next time around, becoming not only a logistical and practical issue for so many people, but a political calculation as well. and it is for all these reasons why we have been saying and hearing. and now, of course, is confirmed officially that they can't do any of these major cuts and slashes to the deficit that they're talking about without actually eating into entitlements, which president trump himself said they're not going to do. >> julie sirkin, thank you for that. congressman. let me play what the president said when he was asked about this last week.

>> can you guarantee. >> that medicare, medicaid. >> social security. >> will not. >> be touched? >> yeah, i mean, i have said it so many times, you shouldn't be asking me that question. okay? this will not be read my lips. it won't be read my lips anymore. we're not going to touch it now. we are going to look for fraud. i'm sure you're okay with that. like people that shouldn't be on people that are illegal aliens and others criminals. in many cases you have a lot of fraud. but no, i'm not. we're not doing anything on that. >> so the president says, well, but maybe fraud. speaker johnson has talked about reducing inefficiencies from your time in government. is there any way there's enough waste or fraud in these programs to fill a $300 billion gap? >> no, i don't see. >> how they get. >> the $300 billion. >> on waste, fraud. >> and abuse. >> and of course, there's. >> no such thing as. >> a waste, fraud. >> and abuse line item anywhere in the federal budget. >> if there were, it'd be really

easy. but there's not. but remember what happened. >> in. 2017 during the obamacare. >> repeal and replace debate at. >> that time. >> when i was serving, there were also proposals to significantly change medicaid with. >> block grants. >> and per capita grants. >> i voted. >> against it, but it was it was enormously disruptive and they couldn't pass it. >> then with. >> a much larger majority, i don't. >> see how. >> they could possibly. >> pass $880. >> billion. >> in cuts, many of which would. >> have to come out of medicaid. >> i don't see how. >> they can. >> do it with this razor thin majority. >> in the house. >> and by the way, the senate. >> did not adopt. >> that same approach in their budget resolution. >> so the house. >> and. >> the. senate still aren't. >> able to agree. >> on how. >> to instruct these committees of jurisdiction to do their work. >> yeah, it'll be fascinating to see also, what happens if it comes to a vote. 18 million americans just over age 50 rely on medicaid for everything from doctor's visits to prescription medication, the economic policy institute wrote in part. these cuts will greatly increase hardship and misery for already

struggling families. kids will grow up less healthy and poorer, and they will make a future recession far more likely, they say, even if it results in tax cuts for other americans. it's, quote, a terrible trade. so i guess the big question is, are there republicans who are willing to make that trade? >> well. >> i do think. >> there are. >> some. >> but i. don't think there are going to be enough. >> i think. there are going to be enough republicans. >> in the house and probably in the senate, who. are not. going to be able to. vote for these types of medicaid cuts. >> and remember to. >> take take. >> a state like. >> west virginia. when medicaid was expanded under obamacare. >> i. >> think about 300,000 people were. >> added to the. >> medicaid rolls. >> in west virginia. that was a, i think. almost 10% or a little over 10% of the entire state population. so making. >> these. >> changes, it sounds easy on paper, but. >> there are. >> people involved. >> and i got into a big argument with donald trump over this.

>> in 2017. >> in the white house, kind of like the zelensky meeting. >> where he started berating. >> me because i told him. >> things he didn't want to hear. >> about medicaid and how it was going to impact people. and that's what's going to happen here. >> these these. >> members are going to hear from their constituents. >> they're going to say it's too much. >> because so. >> many people right now are. >> dependent on. >> medicaid, and especially. >> many elderly. >> who exhaust their assets are. >> in nursing homes. >> they are also. >> very dependent on medicaid, in addition. >> to those who are low. >> income people who are not elderly. >> yeah, there also was this little exchange in a meeting. republicans gave elon musk an idea. take all the cuts he's making, send them to congress as a package, and then they'll help him make them permanent, because, of course, he doesn't have any real power. take a listen to senator lindsey graham about this. >> we need. >> to capture this in. >> a. >> legislative process. >> to make it real. >> did musk. >> said he would do that? >> he was like, so happy he didn't.

>> know it. i mean, he didn't know. >> i mean. >> that's not his job. legislatively. i think he found out today that resistance is a tool available with 51 votes to lock in the cuts. and he was doing like this. let's use it. >> and when he apparently said he was doing like this, he was doing a little dance. what are the implications of this? and do you see that happening? >> well. >> i think i'll give. >> lindsey graham credit for being transparent and at least honest about this at some point. >> you know, if we. >> want to shutter departments, if we want to cut spending in washington, well, there's a way to do that. >> the republicans have. >> the majority in the house and in the senate introduce legislation and, and, and codify this. >> put put. >> the doj's cuts into the bills and then have up or down votes and see how it goes. i personally, i don't. >> think the votes are. >> there to pass many of these cuts. >> but the way it's supposed. >> to be done is through

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if not final, moments in defining the new powers of the presidency. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst paul butler, also with us, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. so the trump administration, lisa, over and over again, has said, we can't pay up. does anything about this indicate they're going to have to or that they will both? >> i would say yes. >> with some caveats. >> so there was a. >> status report that. >> both parties submitted to the court. >> this morning. in it, the. >> government is saying. that they can ensure. >> that all of the. >> plaintiffs will be. >> paid for. legitimate payments. and i'm going to caveat that with an asterisk within the next ten days. and that non plaintiffs, meaning other people who were not party to this lawsuit, but also who deserve payments for already contracted for already completed work, should be paid within 30 to 45 days. that having been said, they also seem to be introducing some new wrinkles. they say it's going to take them time to pay, notwithstanding the

fact that previous to the inauguration of president trump, they could process thousands of payments overnight. it's going to take time now because they need to legitimately assure themselves that the work has been done, that it was work that was contracted for. they seem to be introducing a number of additional review steps that weren't originally contemplated, but aren't necessarily barred by the temporary restraining order in place in the case. chris. >> so what does the judge do in a case like this? paul? and what happens if they don't pay up? what if they say, oh, well, we don't think this person did the work, so we're not going to pay them. >> that's the question of our times, chris, because we might see this constitutional crisis ushered in. so this is an early legal test over how much power trump has to reallocate money that's already been appropriated by congress. the contractors and grant recipients say that the president doesn't have the authority to dismantle an independent federal agency like

usaid, and also that the president doesn't have the power to cancel spending that's already been authorized by congress. so that's what the judge has to decide. but in the meantime, there's this discrete issue about whether contractors who've already completed work need to get paid. so the supreme court said yesterday in that five four decision, yes, they do need to get paid as the judge to work out a reasonable payment plan, but we still have the larger issue pending. trump controls foreign aid from usaid. the contractors have asked that that freeze be lifted, and that's what the judge will decide whether there's a reason to temporarily block the freeze while the judge decides the merits of the case. >> so, lisa, i understand that the president's lawyers are back in front of a of the same judge right now. right. what's going on there? >> so today, chris, the hearing

is about whether or not this existing temporary restraining order becomes something more permanent, called a preliminary injunction that has an indefinite time span. if the court enters a preliminary injunction, what he will likely do is not only order that they be paid, but order that they be paid according to certain steps and on a time certain. but most importantly, that puts the government in a position to appeal that ruling to a federal appeals court. and then we're really off to the races in terms of a merit based determination in front of the supreme court, not a sort of an emergency. do you have to pay right now? how long do you have to pay? but something that really takes into account the bigger, more fundamental issue here, which is what paul mentioned. does a president have any constitutional authority to freeze funding that's already been appropriated by congress and already even been contracted for and through these contracts with usaid contractors? >> okay. so meantime, paul, a

new twist. the new york times is reporting, quote, the acting head of the us agency for international development, usaid, told members of congress on wednesday that his staff was preparing potential criminal referrals targeting individuals who misused taxpayer dollars intended for foreign development programs. this is according to several people familiar with his comments. what is that about and what would that even look like? >> you know, it's hard to know because there's not a whole lot of transparency about how this criminal prosecution could potentially occur, or even what the charges would be. there's a lot of distrust around trump's takeover of usaid, again, because of this lack of transparency. so i think we'll have to wait and see. we know that the trump administration has been accused by many of trying to weaponize the criminal legal system, and especially the justice department, for its own

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recent executions that took multiple tries. paul butler is back with me. the death penalty was reinstated in 1977. and yet here we are, state by state, sometimes execution by execution, decision making process, regardless of anyone's feelings about capital punishment. what does it say, paul, about our country, that we don't have a consensus on how to carry this out? >> it means that maybe we should reconsider the ultimate punishment, especially when the alternative is life without life imprisonment, without the possibility of parole. which means that if we're concerned about people being on the streets and committing further crime, that wouldn't happen. so there is not a lot of majority support for the death penalty. as you mentioned, south carolina before, last year hadn't executed anyone in over 12 years, and our country hasn't relied so much on firing squads. chris, there have been fewer

than four executions by firing squad since 1977. and so people who are opposed to the death penalty say there's not a lot of public support for it, especially when there are reasonable alternatives for punishment. >> the question becomes again, why in segments case he's come close to being executed several times. but it was stopped, including in 2022, because of challenges to the legality of the state's death penalty protocol, because they've had so many problems with the other methods. the victim's grandson, though, tells the greenville news that he's just been trying to prolong something that should have been done 20 years ago. there is not a lot of sympathy right for convicted murderers, but is there a question about what these ongoing legal questions about method due to victims families, they have to go through this emotional roller coaster again and again and again. >> and again and again is the operative are the operative words. people are on death row

for 20 years or longer, so the family of the victims don't have any closure. their constitutional issues with the methods for execution. so the supreme court has approved lethal injection, which is the preferred method, if you will, in south carolina, or the default method. its backup is the electric chair. but the inmate here says the electric chair is like being cooked to death. and there have been issues with the last three lethal injections in the states. two men experienced preliminary pulmonary edema, which can be an effect of lethal injection that makes you feel like you're being waterboarded. so, chris, by firing squad means broken bones and destroyed organs. and it's devastating and traumatic for witnesses to watch it. but people who study the death penalty say among all of the. other horrible alternatives, it's actually the most humane. >> yeah. i mean, and that's the

reason he chose it in this particular case, in spite of the graphic things you mentioned, the military connotations, many people do believe it's more humane because it goes quickly. is this a question, though, that you think if there is going to be, again, capital punishment that should go before the supreme court? >> so the supreme court has shown in its super majority conservatives that it's a fan of the death penalty. the court says that for some of the most serious crimes, probably thinking of a crime like what this inmate was convicted of, which was horribly killing two people by stabbing them, stabbing them to death for the most heinous crimes. the ultimate punishment is what's deserved. the challenge is usually based on equal protection grounds. the idea that people who kill white folks are much more likely to get the death penalty than people who kill black folks. and also the

eighth amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. but, chris, the way that the court interprets both the 14th amendment right to equal protection under law and the eighth amendment prohibition against excessive or cruel punishment, that the death penalty comports with, both of those states have been opting out. the death penalty is only legal now. in about 27 states. there was also a federal trend before the first trump administration that there were many fewer federal executions. but trump is also a fan of the death penalty. he think thinks it brings justice to people who deserve it. again, not a lot of support for that in the academy or among many lawmakers, but enough that the death penalty is still constitutional, according to the court and still law. in almost half of the states. >> paul butler, thank you. well, today, a judge is weighing whether to release a woman who

has been held at a psychiatric institute for nearly seven years after pleading guilty to attempted first degree intentional homicide in 2014, then 12 year old morgan geyser stabbed a middle school classmate 19 times to please the fictional video game character slender man. nbc's adrian broaddus is reporting on this. the focus of today's hearing, i understand, is whether she is fit to be released. what are the arguments we're hearing on both sides? adrian. >> hey there chris, there's been so. >> much back and forth. about this. >> conditional release. let's start with what the defense attorneys. >> for the now 22 year old are saying. their argument is that morgan geyser. >> is fit. >> to be released, and they're saying she's no longer a danger or a threat to the public after receiving treatment. by contrast, staff at the mental health facility winnebago mental health institute, to be exact, where she's been receiving treatment, flagged her behavior

in a petition accusing geyser of reading material with themes of murder, the sale of human organs and sexual sadism. just last week, the judge saying during a hearing that he finds there's probable cause to revoke the court's initial decision to grant conditional release, saying in part, i don't think the court can ignore what's been stated in the petition, and that's why there will be another hearing here any moment now to determine whether or not she should be released. and this happened, this case that is over a decade ago. i do want to remind our viewers, our viewers, about what happened. that's when the then 12 year old geyser and another friend lured their classmate into the woods. geyser admitted to stabbing her classmate, payton lightner, 19 times. payton did survive that attack. geyser pleaded guilty but was found not guilty by

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supreme court. >> joining me now is ben wikler, chair of the democratic party of wisconsin. mr. chairman, thanks for joining us. we should tell people who may not know this is an election that's coming up very soon. so tell us the stakes and why you decided to do this. >> thanks so much, chris. it's great to be with you. we're 26 days out. from april. >> 1st. >> the first major statewide race of this new trump era. and it's maga. brad schimel, former. far right maga. >> republican attorney general. >> of the state. >> running for state. >> supreme court with. >> more than $5 million in backing. >> from elon musk up against. >> susan crawford. >> who's the kind. >> of common sense. >> judge that people. >> of any. >> political persuasion. >> would want on the bench. >> and this race has now become about much more than the future of jurisprudence in the state of wisconsin. the musk team is. explicitly trying to lock in control of the u.s. house of representatives. they're talking about their phrases voter fraud. that's code for voter

suppression. they know that the wisconsin supreme court came close to. >> overturning the. 2020 election. >> and, of course, elon musk. >> has his. >> own case working its way through. >> the wisconsin. >> court. >> system about. tesla dealerships. >> so he has. >> a personal. >> financial stake. >> in all of this as well. apparently, he thinks it's. >> cheaper to buy the court than. >> to. >> actually have. >> his day. >> in court. so for all those. >> reasons, we want wisconsin voters to know, and. especially democrats or. >> anyone who's. >> concerned about. >> the. >> attacks on our system of government, the. >> kind of internal coup that. >> musk is. >> running. that he's trying to buy the wisconsin. >> court system. >> to put. >> brad schimel. >> in power. and if you want to fight. >> back against all. >> of that, you've got to support susan crawford. >> i don't need to tell you that any off election, which this is not your typical election time, it's tough to get people to pay attention to, even tougher to get them to actually come out and vote. what is it that you're seeing in research, or what is it that you're hearing in polling that suggests to you that this is the way to move this forward? for democrats?

>> so many democrats have their hair on fire about what musk is doing right now, firing people tens of thousands from the veterans administration, including veterans with disabilities who serve their country, who work in wisconsin. people who staff the veterans crisis hotline are getting fired by elon musk. and he wants total impunity. >> he wants. >> a court system that can't put. >> a check. >> on his power. so what we've found is that when we communicate about musk's role in helping brad schimel to take over wisconsin supreme court, they. >> get fired up. >> it is an incredible motivator. >> musk's popularity. >> among democrats in wisconsin right now, 1% say they have a favorable opinion of elon musk. 94% say they have an unfavorable opinion. he is the most here. he's now surpassing donald trump as the biggest toxic anchor in drag in wisconsin politics. and so we want people to make make sure that they know that when they're seeing these attack ads that elon musk is funding, that this is part of elon musk's plan to get his puppet, brad schimel,

onto the court. meanwhile, susan crawford can't be bought. >> she is somebody. >> who, you. >> know, regardless. >> of your politics, she will look at the law when she's making decisions about cases. and i you know, we all have our particular views. but i think we should all want a judiciary that's actually independent of the kind of far right manipulation that we can see musk trying to do in wisconsin at this moment. >> ben wikler, as you say, it's going to be a big test. first big test for what donald trump is doing on a statewide basis for the folks in wisconsin. we'll keep our eye on it. thanks for being on the show. appreciate it. >> thanks so much. and anyone. >> and that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage us this hour. our coverage continues (auctioneer) let's start the bidding at 5 million dollars. thank you, sir. (man) these people of privilege... hoarding the financial advantages for far too long. (auctioneer) 7.5 at the back. (man) look at them — unaware that robinhood gold members now enjoy the vip treatment — a 3% ira match on retirement contributions. (auctioneer) 11 million sir. (man) once they discover their privileges are no longer exclusive... their fragile reality

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