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>> new piece. >> in a complicated, emerging picture of an economy thrust into new volatility by doj's cuts, trade. turmoil unleashed by the president, and a stock market that feels really more like a roller coaster ride right now. >> with us from the. >> white house. >> nbc's vaughn. >> hillyard, and here in new york with us, our business and data reporter brian chung, and amy parnes, senior political correspondent for the hill. so, okay, brian, the stock market has been very volatile. you have doge slashing government jobs left and right. are we seeing. >> all that. >> upheaval reflected in this jobs report? >> yeah. >> the answer is kind of maybe yes, maybe not. let me just explain. first off, by starting off with that 151,000 number, again, that's how many jobs were added in the month of february. this is the first jobs report that reflects anything under the trump administration, because that january jobs report, that survey period was before inauguration. so this is kind of the first reflection that we see. 151,000 was a bit short of the 170,000 or so that wall street economists had expected, and some people might point to the federal workforce figure. but i want to point out not necessarily the case. this

report showed us that there was a contraction of about 10,000 jobs in the federal workforce. but i want to point out the overall federal workforce is 3 million in size. so ten k as a portion of 3 million is less than 1%. and also, when you consider that the federal workers that accepted the doge offer, according to the white house, is something a little closer to 75,000, that doesn't necessarily show that this jobs report is reflecting that. and again, just to remind everyone, even if we zoom out beyond the federal workforce, the federal workforce represents 1.5% of the overall us workforce. so what we're talking about here is fractions of fractions or fractions. but again, unclear if this jobs report really reflects the full scale of what doge says are layoffs that they're trying to implement in the federal workforce. >> so that. >> really could. >> be more of the next big report. >> after march. >> when that is implemented. >> what about the tariffs. >> this morning, brian? what's in what's out. what could still cost. >> us all more. >> yeah, it has been a roller coaster ride just this week. right. the tariffs are on. the tariffs are off. the tariffs are on certain things are off certain things. so maybe it's just worth kind of rehashing

here exactly what happened. what is paused for right now as of this friday morning at least is any sort of goods that are covered by the usmca. that is the agreement between canada, mexico and the united states that was brokered during trump's first administration. actually, again, that is the exemption that was carved out yesterday through executive action. but what is still in effect is the additional 20% on all goods from china. and i also want to remind that there are kind of some fine print to the usmca related things, to where things like, for example, gas and oil that come in from canada, that would still be subject to a 10% tariff, as was outlined in the original tariffs that were slapped on earlier this week. that could mean that gas prices in the united states could still go up. but again, this story is not over because we're looking at these dates here. first off, this exemption only takes us to april 2nd, when president trump is also planning these reciprocal tariffs on every other country around the world. and even as soon as next week, we'll be talking about tariffs again, because that's the date that the administration is looking at 25% steel and aluminum imports from any country around the world, who

imports a lot of steel and aluminum into the united states, canada. so we will be talking about this again next wednesday. >> now. >> there are so many different categories, some. >> in, some out. it's a lot to cover. >> vaughan. >> quite the reversal. >> though from. >> the white house. >> on these tariffs. >> is this. >> the. >> administration acknowledging all the upheaval this trade policy is causing? >> right. there is a clear lack of strategy that has been articulated and a clear lack of strategy that has been executed in this first month and a half. on his tariff policy. and we have watched not only these tariffs be implemented and then rolled back 24 hours later. we have seen mixed messaging from his own cabinet secretaries from commerce secretary howard lutnick to scott bessett, who appeared on cnbc as treasury secretary for a lengthy interview this morning in which he was asked multiple questions about what the administration was attempting to accomplish by increasing the rise of inputs coming into the united states. i want to let you listen to this part of treasury secretary scott

benson's explanation of what is ongoing. >> i don't think it's a radical change. it's just a much needed course adjustment. it's not linear. it's an organic process. we'll see how the overall inflation numbers work out, that obviously energy's a. big component. >> and when asked specifically about the stock market and about commodities prices moving over the course of particularly the last two weeks, he said that this is a, quote, natural adjustment as we move away from public spending to private spending. again, while consumers and the american at large have a lot of questions about the future of the economy, it is individuals like scott bessent and howard lutnick who are attempting to explain what is a very quick moving and rapidly shifting strategy of implementation of these tariffs and economic policies directly out of the white house and president trump. yeah. >> amy. >> the economy. >> was one big reason trump won.

and so you've got the upheaval with the tariffs. you have all these cuts being made. to jobs. is the white house not worried about political blowback? >> they are. >> i. >> mean. >> if trump is worried. >> about anything, it's the economy because. >> he was elected. >> on the economy. >> as you. >> said so. >> and he. >> inherited a pretty good economy. >> let's remember, wages. >> were. >> high, consumer spending was high. inflation was. >> still a little high. >> but on the way down. >> and so i think. >> that, you know, he's looking at all this and he's seeing the volatility. and i think that the. >> people around him are. >> getting increasingly worried. >> because they're hearing from members of congress. they're hearing from republicans. and the headlines. >> don't look good. >> and trump is. >> very concerned. >> all the time. >> with how. >> he is being portrayed. >> and the headlines. and so he sees. >> what's happening. >> and i. think he's quietly. >> unhappy with the direction of how. >> things are going. >> yeah, brian. >> i just keep. >> thinking about the fact that these poor businesses who. >> are wondering.

>> you know, are we going to have to face tariffs, are we going to have to, you know, change the way we do business? are they already being impacted. even though these tariffs are postponed. just because of all the uncertainty? >> yeah. and i've been describing not to bring quantum mechanics into this, but i've been describing a lot of this as schrodinger's tariffs, referring to the schrodinger's cat phenomenon of you don't know if it's alive or dead. you don't know if the tariffs are on or off at any given point in time. if you're looking at all of these kind of news items here as a small business trying to plan for. all right, i'm trying to stock up on, let's say, products that i bring in from china or mexico to stock on my shelves for the calendar year. you're going i don't even know what any of this means. i don't know if on wednesday that tariff is going to cost that product 25% more or not on another given day. so i think that that is the big reason why uncertainty is weighing so much on businesses. and i think that as we look at the jobs report, we do kind of ask this question. well, the unemployment rate right now and those kind of economic metrics you were talking about with amy, they look pretty okay. for right now, 4.1% is the unemployment rate. does that go up as these businesses over uncertainty maybe start to lay people off?

that's a question that we'll have to see in the months to come. >> and vaughn, there's also a new development in the trump musk relationship, the white house attempting to put a few limits on musk and doge, it appears. what do those limits look like? >> right. it was yesterday during a cabinet meeting at the white house that elon musk attended president trump. as he indicated in a social media post overnight, directed each of the cabinet secretaries that they are the ones who are to be making the decisions about workforce reductions and that it's not elon musk. of course, there has been no public indication from the president that he has reined in any of elon musk's powers. and as you heard from his speech to the joint session of congress on tuesday night, he gave him a shout out and heralded his efforts atop doge. but of course, as we have seen, a litany of legal cases thrust doge into the center of these lawsuits, we have seen the department of justice attempt to

argue that it is the departments and agency heads that are the ones making the decisions on behalf of their agencies, not the special government employee named elon musk. but this is where president trump, at least over social media, is indicating that he told those cabinet secretaries with elon musk in attendance that they were the ones to be the ones actually implementing and executing the decisions within their departments and agencies, not elon musk. >> jimmy, what's your sense? is the trump musk honeymoon coming to an end? >> i don't think it's. >> going anywhere, at least for now. >> if the headlines once again start. >> to get. >> worse and. >> worse for trump on. >> this, he's very. >> eager to. >> let go. >> of people. >> but my. >> sources tell. >> me that he's not. going anywhere. he's he's. >> very happy with. >> the direction. >> right now. >> but i think that it's. >> more complicated. >> than that. and i. think if it continues. >> to not go so well. >> you can say. bye bye then. >> okay. >> then we'll. >> be. >> talking about it. >> could happen anytime. >> you never know. vaughn hillyard, brian. >> chung, amy. >> parnes. >> thank you all for starting us off. and joining us now is

democratic congressman robert garcia of california, a member of the house oversight and homeland security committees. >> thanks so much. >> for joining us. congressman. let's listen to what we heard from the president in the oval office yesterday regarding. >> the doj's cuts. >> i want the cabinet members to keep good people. i don't want to see a big. >> cut where a. >> lot of good people are cut. if they can. >> cut, it's better. >> and if they don't cut, then ellen will do the cutting. >> do you think doge. >> and elon musk. >> have been. >> moving too quickly? >> no, no. i think. >> they've done an amazing job. >> they've done an amazing job. >> what do. >> you make of that? is doge. >> being curtailed or not? >> i mean, honestly, who knows with. >> with this. >> donald trump presidency? >> i think. >> what's really important is that elon. >> musk continues to cause massive, massive damage across. >> the federal agencies. >> and so donald. >> trump. >> you know, talking. >> to the. >> press and saying. >> that he's scaling. >> that back. >> or he's having his. >> cabinet secretaries. >> be more engaged. really means

absolutely nothing. >> what elon musk is. >> actually doing is. >> going agency. >> through agency. >> and causing massive. >> havoc to. >> federal programs. we're having. >> veterans affairs. >> workers being let go. >> national parks that are having. >> to redirect. >> all the. >> way. >> they open. >> and serve. >> the public. >> the department of education. >> right now. >> we. >> think, is. >> on the chopping block. >> that donald. >> trump. >> and elon musk. >> want to eliminate. we've seen what's happened with foreign aid department after department is are getting. gutted and people. >> are. >> actually starting to feel the impact. now donald trump may want to. >> walk back. >> some of. >> that. >> give his cabinet. >> secretaries more power. >> as he likes. >> to. >> say, to. >> make decisions about cutting. but we. haven't really. seen that yet. >> what we've seen. >> is complete destruction. >> on behalf. >> of elon musk and donald trump. >> let's talk about the on. >> again, off again tariffs. the president said yesterday he's not even looking at the stock market. but what do you think is influencing trump with the back and forth on the tariffs, wall street or main street or something else.

>> who knows. >> because whether you talk to. >> republicans or democrats. >> no one has. >> any idea what. >> donald trump. >> is doing. >> as it relates to tariffs. >> look. >> i am just. >> blocks away. >> from. >> the single largest. >> seaport in the united. >> states, container seaport here in long beach and los angeles. >> the amount. >> of. >> chaos that is happening at america's ports right now is. incredibly serious and. >> quite. >> frankly. >> dangerous to our economy. i also. >> chair the. >> congressional arts caucus. it's bipartisan. i am talking. >> to. >> port and trade executives. across the country, and the uncertainty that is happening. >> right. >> now is. >> causing major. >> major issues, not. just to ports who are having to. plan trucking routes, technology, moving freight shipping lines. >> but also. >> to small businesses. >> businesses right now are scrambling. >> they're trying to figure. >> out how. >> how are they going to get goods into. >> the country. >> what's it going to cost? how do i pass those costs on to, to my employees or to or to my customers? >> because i. >> may not. >> be. >> able. to afford. >> what's coming in.

>> and so. >> the chaos. >> that's being. >> created right now at america's ports, who drive much of our economy. especially on our coasts, is really concerning. and donald trump has no idea what he's doing. >> he should. >> visit america's ports. he should come down. >> and talk to port. >> and trade executives and small businesses. and so it's chaos right now in the supply chain, and that's. >> going to do nothing. >> to help the economy. >> in fact. >> it's continuing to damage it. >> and in the meantime, he is having conversations with foreign leaders, our neighbors. mexico and canada. he did say the exemption that he's now implementing here, specific to mexico, is an accommodation. and out of respect for president sheinbaum. but of course, he's shown little love for canada's leader. president trump. we know, spoke with prime minister trudeau yesterday. and according to a western government official, that call was extremely abusive on the part of the president. here's what trudeau said yesterday. >> your foreign affairs. >> minister yesterday called all

of. >> this a psychodrama. >> how did what. >> how do you. >> characterize it? >> thursday? >> now, in previous. >> calls, president trump has also reportedly. >> questioned the 1908. >> treaty that established the border between the. >> us and canada. >> what do you. >> make of this relationship at the moment? >> i mean. what's what's totally crazy is what leader what american. president is going to start essentially saying that canada is going to be our next state, or referring to the leader of canada as a governor. >> of the. >> united states? i mean, this is absolutely chaotic. it's disrespectful. canada is. >> a critical ally. >> and neighbor. >> of the. >> united states. >> our entire. >> northern border, and. >> he's treating. >> the country, its leader, its elected leader. >> and the people. >> of canada with enormous disrespect. this is no way to treat an ally who, by the way. >> that. >> we need. we need canada for

trade. we need canada to grow our economy for jobs, and of course, to, to, to support each other with. >> national. >> security, with ensuring. that fentanyl and the. drug trade isn't growing. and yet he insults not just. >> canada, but. >> the country. >> and its people. >> it's crazy. >> i mean, look, we can. >> expect more of this from donald trump. >> and i. >> think what's really important at this moment. >> is that people speak. >> out against. >> the. >> damage he's doing to the economy. >> look at the stock market. >> look at the unemployment rate. >> look at the reaction from small business owners. donald trump is doing nothing to lower the cost of goods, which is what he said he'd do. instead, he's launching a trade war. >> congressman robert garcia, we certainly appreciate you speaking out and speaking with us on all these important issues. appreciate your time. thank you. next star shower spacex 400 foot tall starship going kaboom. >> what happened and what. >> it means for the richest. >> man in the world. >> plus, wonder who's part of

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the largest rocket in the world ends in an explosion for the second time in a row. and take a look. this stunning light show is flaming debris seen over florida and the caribbean. minutes after the spacex starship took off last night, the faa will oversee an investigation into what went wrong. just like the last time one of elon musk's rockets exploded. only this time, musk works for the white house and his doge team is tinkering with the faa. nbc's marissa parra is in miami with more. >> hey there. >> so we've been watching planes. taking off today. >> from miami international. >> airport. >> but there was a time last night where we were not seeing that. and that's because. >> in the immediate aftermath of this, remember. >> all of this happened less than ten minutes. after launch. >> there was a temporary ground stop at airports. >> like this one. >> miami international airport, fort lauderdale, orlando. >> and that's because of. >> concern that. falling space debris. could collide with planes in the area.

>> what is that, like. >> a meteor shower? >> a shocking sight. >> in the sky just minutes into the eighth test flight of space. starship. >> there it is. >> boom. oh my. >> god. >> the world's largest rocket. >> spinning out. >> of control. >> before breaking into pieces. fiery debris visible in the sky across florida and parts of the caribbean, the explosion even disrupting air. >> travel, the. >> faa temporarily diverting planes and grounding aircraft for nearly an hour. to avoid any falling pieces of debris. flights were disrupted at florida. hubs like miami, fort lauderdale and orlando. >> so i looked out my kitchen. window and i. >> could see. starship rotating around. it was a bright white flash. >> in the sky. >> i wanted. >> to make sure. >> first and foremost that. >> it wasn't. tumbling at us. >> it was the eighth test mission for starship, which spacex ceo elon musk hopes one day can reach mars. musk posting overnight quote, rockets are hard. the scene almost identical to a similar mishap less than

two months ago, when starship test flight seven also ended in a ball of flames. a spacex internal investigation says that failure was likely due to leaking fuel propellant. this time around, the company made upgrades to the spacecraft, but while the rocket's booster was able to successfully return to the launchpad for the third time in a row, just minutes later. >> you can see we've lost several engines. >> spacex pointing to a, quote, energetic event in the aft portion of starship, causing the rocket. >> to lose. >> orientation known as attitude control. then all communication. >> we did lose contact with the ship. unfortunately, this happened last time too. >> and just like last time, pieces of the spacecraft came raining back down to earth, the faa once again launching a mishap investigation to determine what went wrong, adding starship will remain grounded until that investigation is complete. >> we're going to be right. >> back here. >> in the not. >> too. >> distant future. >> and we're going.

>> to get a. >> ship to space. >> now, a couple of things. >> spacex says. >> all of. >> the debris fell within. >> a preplanned. debris response area. they say. >> that there were. >> no. >> toxic materials that pose a risk to water quality or marine life. also. >> so far, no. >> reports of any. significant property. >> damage or injuries. and another piece of good news here. >> that ground stop only lasted. >> about 45 minutes. so air travel that was. impacted by this fully back to normal. back to you. >> marissa parra. thanks much. health officials in the southwest are investigating a second potential death tied to the measles outbreak, this time in new mexico. officials there are looking into the cause of death for an unvaccinated adult who had the virus. meantime, a child who was also unvaccinated died last week in texas. the first measles death in the u.s. in a decade. now, there are nearly 190 cases across a dozen states. nbc's emily ikeda is covering this outbreak for us. and also joining us now, pulmonologist and msnbc medical contributor, doctor vin gupta.

emily, what more do we know about this latest death? >> so, ana, details. >> trickling in. >> as officials say they are. >> investigating the. >> official cause. of this latest death. but they. >> say it. >> was an. >> adult who. >> was not vaccinated. >> as you mentioned. >> that person. >> did not. >> seek treatment. >> prior to. >> their death. >> and then after. >> they died, officials say they tested positive. for measles. it is one of ten cases. reported in this outbreak. >> in. >> the. >> state of. >> new. >> mexico. just across state lines. >> in texas is where the heart, the epicenter. >> of the. >> main outbreak, is. spreading across the region of west texas. nearly 160 cases there. and remember, just last week, officials confirming that a child died. >> from measles. >> the first measles related death in a decade playing out. >> we heard. >> earlier this week from the hhs secretary. robert f. >> kennedy jr. >> who acknowledged in an op ed that he's. >> deeply concerned. >> about the measles outbreak. he also said vaccines protect children from. >> measles and contribute to community immunity. but he stopped short of calling on

parents. >> to. >> get their kids. >> vaccinated, calling the decision a personal one. while touting vitamin a and. >> reducing measles mortality. on fox news, take a listen here. >> they're getting very. very good results. they report from. you budesonide. >> which is a steroid. >> it's a. >> 30 year old steroid. and. >> clarithromycin and also. >> cod liver. >> oil which has. high high concentrations. >> of. >> vitamin a. >> and vitamin d. >> some doctors. >> across the country. >> are speaking out, concerned that those kinds of references. >> to vitamin a are. discouraging his followers. >> from embracing. >> the mmr vaccine. >> remember that there is no identified treatment. >> for measles. >> antiviral treatment for measles and the child who died last week in texas. >> had no underlying conditions. anna. >> emily, thank you so much for

that update. it's all so tragic. so, doctor vitamin a and cod liver, do these treatments work? >> they don't. on a i. >> mean. >> let's be clear. >> vitamin a is something that we. >> give patients. >> especially pediatric. >> patients, that we know might be vitamin. >> a deficient. >> that's the that's the. >> population that we're most concerned about. giving vitamin a to a deficiency. >> doesn't really exist here. >> in the united states. >> as much as it. >> does. >> overseas. in places like sub-saharan africa, 50% prevalence of vitamin a deficiency. >> and so. >> it's important to. >> recognize that. >> it's an adjunct to treatment. >> it's something we give. >> to severe measles cases in a pediatric. population at high risk. >> for vitamin a deficiency. >> it's not. >> a treatment. >> and the us hadn't seen a measles related death in a whole decade. and now we have possibly two fatalities across different states in just over a week. there are 187 new cases, or at least at this point in this outbreak, across a dozen states. is there time to stop the

spread? >> you know. >> this is. >> to your point. this is spreading. i think we're on. track and we're only here first week of march. we're on. >> track. >> to have this be the worst year. probably since 2000. >> in terms of raw number of cases, i think this is going to get worse before. it gets better. and it's important. >> again. >> to. >> recognize. >> as emily. >> said, that. >> there is. >> no treatment for measles. and i think just the clarithromycin. hearing him talk about budesonide. >> these are adjuncts. >> to. >> treatment when. >> somebody already has pneumonia. your viewers. >> out there, if. >> they've had a. loved one. >> with severe pneumonia. >> yes, we do. give steroids sometimes. yes we do. sometimes give. >> antibiotics. like i mean, different from clarithromycin, but it's a type of antibiotic. that we. sometimes give people that might. >> need adjuncts. >> in the setting of a severe viral infection. >> that's not the treatment. >> for measles. he's confusing it. cod liver oil, not a treatment. it's only the only. >> thing. >> we can really do here. is promote vaccination. and so just real quick on. if you've been exposed to measles, get.

>> the mmr vaccine within 72 hours. if you're pregnant, not vaccinated. >> seek treatment or. >> speak to your medical provider. ivig is something. >> that you can get within the first six days. >> okay. that's important. thank you so much, doctor. vin gupta, it's good to have you here. next you win some, you lose some new legal rulings that impact president trump's power to fire federal workers. plus, why maga activists are furious with trump appointed supreme court justice amy coney barrett. >> safelite repair. >> light. >> replace sadly, windshield chips can turn. >> into windshield cracks. >> but at least. >> you can go to safelite. com and. >> schedule a. >> fix in minutes. >> sweet safelite. >> can come to you for free, and our. >> highly trained. >> techs can replace your windshield. >> right at your home. >> they flight safe. >> flight don't wait. go to safe >> flight don't wait. go to safe flight.com and schedule home.

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>> welcome back! you're looking live right now at the white house. they just announced the president will speak from the oval office in about 30 minutes. now, we don't know the topic, but we'll of course be following those remarks. again, just announced that he's adding these remarks from the oval office at 11 a.m. meanwhile, we've got some major rulings in the court fights pitting fired federal workers against the white house. one of the most high profile

lawsuits has ended. now with a significant win for president trump. the fired head of the government's independent whistleblower agency has dropped his weeks long court challenge, this after a federal appeals court ruled president trump does have the authority to terminate the top federal watchdog. that former official will not take the case to the supreme court. joining us now, nbc news justice and intel correspondent ken dilanian in washington, and former federal prosecutor barrett burger. ken, this former official just sat down for an exclusive with rachel maddow. why did he decide to drop the lawsuit? >> well, he decided that the. further court fight would just take too long. >> anna hampton dellinger. >> was appointed. >> to a five. >> year term by president biden, and. >> he drew donald. >> trump's ire. >> when he petitioned. >> a civil service. >> board to. >> block the trump. >> administration's effort. >> to fire. >> thousands of federal workers who are in a probationary status. >> so trump. >> fired him. >> but a federal district. judge ruled that the firing was illegal. and as this.

>> was going. >> on, dellinger. >> won an order. >> reinstating more than 5000 fired agriculture department. >> workers for at. least 45 days. >> and he was about to seek similar. >> relief. >> for tens of thousands of other. >> fired employees. >> when, as. >> you said. the u.s. court of appeals. >> for the. >> d.c. circuit issued a ruling wednesday night. that allowed trump's firing of. >> dellinger to. >> take effect. >> and that's when. dellinger threw in the towel. >> take a listen. >> to what he told rachel maddow. >> it was going to be months, maybe a year before i'd get a final answer. i'd be on the sidelines the whole time. and i've seen the damage over the past month or so. that can happen in days, sometimes even hours, to these federal agencies when the laws aren't being followed. and so the idea of trying to come back in a year and fix what i think might be broken forever in terms of the independence of my agency, was not something that i thought i could do. >> so like a lot of people who believe they. >> were illegally. >> fired, he decided to move on with his life. >> and career. anna. >> all right, ken dilanian, thanks for that. that very

latest. so barrett dellinger was senate confirmed. he wasn't even a year into his five year term. are you surprised an appeals court allowed this firing to happen? >> i mean, i'm. >> not as. >> surprised with his specific case. his was a little bit weaker as far as some of these firing cases. go than others, such as the. wilcox case, which deals with the national labor relations board. at the heart of all of these cases is the question about, you know, can the president, as the head of the executive branch, run the branch as ever he wants? right. can he fire and hire people without limitation, from congress? so none of the courts have actually gone to the ultimate issue. the supreme court will have to rule on that. and, you know, that's if they say that the president has sort of this unfettered ability to fire people at will without regard to the guardrails that were set up by congress. that's going. >> to be a major legal sea change. and there was a ruling as well that had the opposite outcome here. and you mentioned it. the national labor relations board, a judge just reinstated a

member of that board and blasted president trump's reasoning, writing this, the plaintiffs or the president's interpretation of the scope of his constitutional power, or more aptly, his aspiration is flat wrong. she goes on to say, an american president is not a king, even an elected one. and his power to remove federal officers and honest civil servants like plaintiff is not absolute. some pretty pointed words there. yes. >> so this judge again, she's a trial court judge. so this still has to work its way through the court of appeals, ultimately up to the supreme court. but she really wrote a treatise on what she considers the extent of the executive power and really. striking down the administration's idea of this. >> you know. >> broad power that the that the president has. and it's interesting. she really sets to rest a lot of the legal arguments that the administration has been making about why a seminal case back from 1935, that they're really pushing to try to get overturned

as to why this is still applicable and why it still matters. her opinion was really very thorough, presents a great case, but again, it still has to work its way up through the court of appeals. and it's unclear how ultimately the court of appeals or the supreme court will view this issue. >> and there are these layers, as you point out, before it gets to the supreme court. but we are seeing some people in maga world now turn on justice amy coney barrett. of course, she was appointed by president trump, and she's been on the other side of some five, four rulings recently which have upset some conservatives and some trump loyalists. specifically, how misplaced is this idea that a judge's ruling should align with the president who appointed them completely? >> supreme court. >> justices do not. work for the president. they don't. they are appointed by a president. but that doesn't mean they owe that president their loyalty. that doesn't mean their decisions have to line up with his or her priorities. amy coney barrett has really showed that. she has, you know, an independent set of

principles. i don't think we should say. i think it's way too early to say like, oh, this is the new coalition with roberts joining with the liberals. i don't think we can say that yet. but what she has shown is an ability to view cases individually and to make ostensibly independent decisions. >> well, and let's remember, she has voted very conservatively on certain issues, whether it's abortion, affirmative action, just to name a couple. barrett burger thank you. thank you. good to see you next here on ana cabrera reports digging into d.o.j. new reporting on who some of the mysterious department workers are and the six figure taxpayer funded salaries they're drawing sometimes from the agencies they're cutting. plus, nbc news on the front line of the ukraine war in russia. what russia's government says about russia's government says about the path if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life, because there are places you'd like to be. (♪♪) serious side effects include

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according to this report, one of the workers in charge of dismantling usaid is taking home $167,000 annually. a software engineer at the cybersecurity agency known as cisa, taking home over 195,000. that's the max a federal employee can make in a year. while a 28 year old engineer at cisa who has been interviewing gsa employees, is taking home over $120,000. now, the average gsa worker, keep in mind, makes just $8,000. more than that. after working at the agency for 13 years. joining us now is senior writer at wired. and the reporter on that piece, kate knibbs. great to have you here. really, really interesting report you have here. so, of course, musk has talked a lot about doj's transparency. how did you dig into these numbers? was it transparent? it was actually quite. >> difficult to find. >> this information. >> and i hope. >> that they do. >> decide to. >> make all of the.

>> salaries transparent. >> in keeping. with what. they profess. they want the agency to be like. >> right now. >> there's still so much that we don't know, but we were able to find out some of the salaries. >> and it was. >> really interesting. because when elon musk was first. talking about what he thought doge. >> would. >> be like, he said that there wouldn't be any compensation. and we do know that some of the. >> more visible. >> doge employees. >> that were there. >> from. the beginning. like edward big balls, coristine they are drawing. they aren't drawing a. salary from their work at gsa, but now we're finding out that some of the newer members are taking, you know, robust salaries. >> and so you're talking about not just people who were rolled into doge from, like the us digital service, but people who have been onboarded since elon musk brought in the department of government efficiency to go through all these different agencies. what stood out most to you? >> you know, what. >> was really. >> shocking wasn't the numbers. >> it wasn't like there. >> were people making half $1 million. >> or something. >> and they could probably be.

>> making more in the private sector. >> but what stood out. >> was the fact. >> that these people are slashing and burning the agencies and sort of doing this very unconventional. >> federal worker not approachie government. as normal, but they're taking sort of traditional government salaries as as they, you know, attempt to destroy it. >> so musk has said that these workers could be making millions in the tech world, but they're choosing to give that up. is that true? >> i mean, i'm sure some of. >> them could be, depending on what. >> they. >> wanted to do. we also. >> don't know, this might not be the extent of the money that they are making from these efforts. we just have access to their gsa salaries. they could be drawing. salaries from other agencies. there's people like jeremy lewin. who's drawing a gsa salary, but we know that he was really instrumental in dismantling usaid. you know, i don't. >> know whether. >> that's the only salary he's drawing. >> i just. >> don't have access to. that information. and that's. one of

the reasons why i wanted to do this reporting, because i just think that. people deserve to know what these new federal employees are making, because most federal salaries are public. it's one. >> of the sort of. >> core tenets that opm puts forth. if you're a federal employee, unless. there's some sort of national security issue, you can look up your salary. it's a public servants job, and the salary is public. >> i mean, you point out in some of your writing that some doge team members are designated as special government employees, an advisory role that is limited to 130 day work period. those positions can be paid or unpaid. sg's drawing salaries above a certain grade, though, do have to file financial disclosure forms. but the volunteer workers do not. do we know if the volunteer workers are being compensated in other ways? and what is the, i guess, standard for who's volunteer, who's, you know, going to be getting a salary? how is how are those decisions being made? i truly. >> wish i. knew all of. those

details. you know, elon musk, for example, is probably the. >> highest profile sge, and we don't know. >> a lot about what. he's being paid from a lot of. >> you know, business ventures. >> but we do. >> know that even though he's not drawing a salary from the government, he has a long history of benefiting from government subsidies in his business ventures stretching back two decades. he had a loan from for tesla, from the government. >> like over. >> 20 years ago. so, you know, there's money changing hands here. >> well, thank you for your reporting. i encourage everybody to read it on wired. kate knibbs, good to have you here. thanks. next on ana cabrera reports, we are heading to the white house, where president trump is set to speak in just 15 minutes. plus, nbc is the first u.s. network to reach a region of russia since ukraine took territory there last year. what russians living near the front lines are saying about president trump's claim that russia wants trump's claim that russia wants peace. more after a ugh, weeding is the worst.

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front lines. nbc news is the first u.s. network to reach kursk oblast since ukraine took territory there in august of 2024. our chief international correspondent is on the ground asking the big question does russia really want peace? and keir simmons is with us from moscow just after that trip here. great to have you. incredible that you were able to reach this area and talk to the residents. what did they tell you? >> well, that's right. and we're the first u.s. news network to reach the russian controlled part of kursk. that video you just saw there, an air raid siren was was going off. and the fascinating thing is that civilians just carried on as if nothing else was happening. you can hear it there. and really, that just tells you how much war has become part of life. and that's really part of one of the

reasons why president trump's idea that he can get to a cease fire quickly. you can see there the cars just driving by as if it's the most normal thing in the world. president's idea that there could be a quick cease fire is going to run into a number of hurdles. we spoke to the mayor of a frontline town called rylsk. he said he wants peace, but that is that part part of russia, kursk. some of it is held by ukraine, by the ukrainians. and he said, first, we must liberate our territory. another man, a construction worker, was adamant that vladimir zelensky was to blame for everything. he says everything rests on zelensky and not on putin, despite, of course, president putin ordering the invasion of ukraine back in 2022. so you can't speak or criticize the war here in russia, very severe punishments for it. but it's clear russians want peace, but not at any cost. >> you also had an exclusive with the spokeswoman for the russian foreign ministry. fill

us in on that conversation. >> yeah. >> that's right. and she again illustrated, underscored for us how much the kremlin is saying to the trump administration, all right, we want peace, but what are you going to give us in return? and just listen, she's talking about the biden administration in this soundbite. just listen to how frankly critical she is, how tough she sounds. this is the kind of russian government that the trump administration is going to face when they get into these negotiations. take a listen. >> you don't have any idea how we're dealing with americans. last several years. they were just very strange communication. it was like communicating communication of the stone age when you were knocking the doors or sending pigeons with letters, something like that. you know, we were not dealing in a normal

way. >> and i know we're waiting to hear from president trump to see if he talks about russia. we have heard from him on truth social, maybe an indication the trump administration is realizing that, frankly, the russians are going to play. you could describe it. they're going to play a hardball. president trump saying on truth social that russia is bombarding ukraine and threatening widespread sanctions. so president trump actually threatening russia this morning, a sign, i think, of the kind of difficult talks that may be ahead. >> well, keir simmons, thank you so much for bringing us that reporting. it's always important to hear and understand now how different sides are looking at this situation. and so thank you for giving us that from russia. back now to the breaking news at the white house, where any moment now, we expect president trump to deliver remarks from the oval office. back with us now is nbc's vaughn hillyard and vaughn. a lot of news this morning. we have the jobs report. we've been reporting on

all of the trade drama. what do we know about these remarks? >> we know very little other than they were not originally on the books. we are expected to hear from him in the oval office in about five minutes from now. it is not clear whether he intends to sign additional executive orders, but this remarks, these remarks are going to come off of the new jobs report here from its first month in office that showed the hiring here in the united states is cooling. just 10,000 federal jobs were marked as being lost in this report, which would indicate the next jobs report will most likely include the greater 24 hours after his own administration rolled back a series of tariffs related to goods between canada and mexico that were a part of the usmca trade agreement that his first administration signed. we watched the stock market over the course of the last days drop. we have watched commodity prices drop here. this is all in

reaction to the economic and tariff policies implemented by this administration. we have seen the likes of treasury secretary scott bessent and howard lutnick come to the defense of these policies, but we should expect any moment here to now directly from the president himself. >> okay. vaughn hillyard, thanks for setting the stage for us. that does it for me this busy week for now. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. quick break. ali vitali picks up our coverage in the breaking news remarks of the president right after this. >> safelite repair safelite replace. >> nobody likes a cracked windshield, but at least you can go to safelite. com and schedule a fix in minutes. go to safelite. com and schedule a replacement today. replacement today. >> safelite repair. saf (sigh) (snoring) if you struggle with cpap... you should check out inspire. honey?

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