>> staying up half the night reading executive orders. >> for this defining time in. >> the. second trump presidency. >> stay with msnbc. >> good to. >> be with you. >> i'm katy tur. whatever instrument. >> elon musk has been using to level the federal workforce, be it a bulldozer or a wrecking ball, a chainsaw or a hatchet, donald trump is now ordering him, as he said, at least to switch it out for a, quote, scalpel. saying on truth social yesterday that he has directed his cabinet and doj to work together on more precise federal job cuts. so what did. it the lawsuits hanging over musk in the administration, the blowback from trump's own voters, the hand-wringing from some republican allies in congress, the polls that say people think musk has too much access to everything. the public safety risk of these indiscriminate

firings, cutting and then cutting, recutting and then rehiring, critical nuclear safety staff working on weapons programs, firing and rehiring usda staff working on the bird flu outbreak. quote, accidentally canceling and then having to immediately restore ebola prevention funding. the list goes on. or was it something that happened at the white house yesterday? the new york times just dropped new reporting that details a tense and angry confrontation between some cabinet members and elon musk. quote, marco rubio was incensed. here he was in the cabinet room of the white house. the secretary of state, seated beside the president and listening to a litany of attacks from the richest man in the world. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent aaron gilchrist, new york times reporter and msnbc contributor

teddy schleifer, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, and former rnc communications director and republican strategist doug heye. doug, i'm looking forward to hear what you have to say. >> i figured. >> you might. >> say that. >> but i want to. >> begin not. >> i want to begin with with teddy on this because this new york times reporting. so i'm going to begin with you, this this cabinet meeting yesterday sounded pretty explosive. you have reporting we can put some of it up on the screen that says that elon musk was saying that marco rubio wasn't going fast enough and firing people at the state department. he wasn't doing anything. he said he was just good on tv, with the subtext being that he wasn't good for anything else. you have sean duffy, who's head of transportation, telling elon musk, you've got guys going into my department and they're firing air traffic controllers. i'm dealing with accidents, jet accidents, deadly accidents, and you have guys firing air traffic

controllers. this is pretty explosive stuff that the times is reporting. what else can you tell us? >> yeah. >> i mean this i think why. >> it matters. >> here, katie, is this. >> appears to. >> be the. >> only sign or. >> the clearest. >> sign yet that the trump presidency is not going to. >> be the musk presidency. >> right? that that elon. has power. obviously he's not he has not been fired. he is still in charge of doge. he's still there, you know, at the white house every single day. but the trump administration is comprised of the trump cabinet. and if you're sean duffy or marco rubio or, you know, doug collins, you're feeling maybe not emboldened, but but satisfied that there appears to be a commitment from trump to protecting his cabinet from sort of the incursion led by musk. so, you know, yes, it's explosive. they said lots of things in the room. yes. but to me, what i think really matters here is what happens after they leave the room. and it appears

that elon musk is no longer unilaterally calling the shots, which it's felt at times. at least some cabinet members like has been the case. >> yeah, but there was also the wrinkle in there that donald trump said that if the cabinet members don't do it, that elon musk will end up going and doing it himself anyway. >> so how much of this. >> yeah, how much of this is lasting? >> yeah. i mean, like, will will a cabinet member be be ousted because they feel like or elon musk feels like trump? elon musk feels like that cabinet member has not done enough to enact the trump agenda. that's that's kind of the worst case scenario. if you're a member of the cabinet, you know, like, i mean, it is not as if, you know, elon musk is leaving tomorrow. so don't feel too satisfied. but yes, clearly you were. if you were a cabinet member, you were feeling better today than you were yesterday because now it appears like you at least have the chance to do the first cuts. maybe musk will do the second round, but at times if you're a

cabinet member, it's felt like, are you even in charge of the agency? >> well, i mean, i would would not hold your breath in getting rid of elon musk, considering how much money he has and how much money he can wield, however he see fit, sees fit, even against donald trump if he wanted to. so that, i think, tempers donald trump's impulses in that relationship. let me play a little bit of donald trump yesterday on elon musk and the cabinet. this is presumably after that meeting. >> i want the cabinet members to keep good people. i don't want to see a big cut where a lot of good people are cut. i want the cabinet members go first. keep all the people you want, everybody that you need. and it would be better if they were there for two years instead of two weeks, because in two years they'll know the people better. but i want them to do the best job they can. elon and the group are going to be watching them, and if they can cut, it's better. and if they don't cut, then elon will do the cutting. >> aaron, what can you tell us

about your reporting from inside this white house? >> so, katie, i think what you just played there speaks to the reality on the ground here in washington around trying to understand who is in charge and who's making these changes actually happen. i think the larger line of thinking has been that elon musk and doge have been going in, as we've noted many times with the chainsaw, sledgehammer, whatever you like, and making these cuts indiscriminately, just looking at the numbers, trying to make sure that spending decreases, trying to make sure that the federal workforce is smaller and not taking into account enough who these people are, what they do, how their lives are being impacted, and things of that nature. so if you if you look, for example, at the idea that there have been several agencies that have fired people and then had to bring those people back, we know at least the national nuclear security administration couldn't even find some of the people that it needed to bring back to do the work that it was doing. elon musk acknowledged that on more than one occasion,

that mistakes had been made, that mistakes would be made, and that he would correct them quickly. that is not consistent with the donald trump that we know. he's not one to embrace the idea that he might make mistakes. and so now what we're seeing is very explicitly saying to cabinet secretaries that, you know, the people that you need to keep around in order to make sure that you're able to do the work that your agency is going to continue to do. he has said to them, you are going to downsize. we know that next week the agencies have to submit the first phase of their reorganization plans, and then the second phase of those plans coming in mid-april. so he very much wants to continue to see a downsizing in budgets and downsizing in workforce. but it's really putting it on the laps of these secretaries now saying that they're responsible ultimately for what happens when it comes to the federal workforce. and if they're not doing that work in a significant way, downsizing in a significant way, then musk and his team could go potentially from a support recommended recommendation role to a more to

have a role where they have potentially more control. but we've seen katy, for example, the department of veterans affairs, they've been to some degree transparent about the cuts they've been making, knowing, saying this week that they're going to cut 15% of their workforce, potentially 80,000 employees from the department of veterans affairs. katy. >> the assumption here is kind of confounding to me, doug, the assumption that if you're firing people from the federal workforce, you're going to you're going to somehow save a ton of money, like it's going to be the biggest budget savings that this country has ever seen just by firing the federal workforce. it's not it's minuscule. it's the programs that the federal workforce enforces that the that the americans use. it is social security. it is medicare, it is medicaid. it is the money that goes into the pentagon. why are they what is the why focus so much on on right sizing, on firing federal government employees? >> well, i think we hear the phrase shock and awe a lot. well, what better way what

faster way to shock and to all people than this. and i think the challenge for the administration here is, you know, we focus a lot about how this is a washington, dc issue. and sure, it is. about 15% of all federal employees are based in washington, dc. so what's happening in the trump administration? what's happening in house and senate republican leadership meetings, democratic ones too, presumably, is folks are going home in recesses or over weekends, and they're coming back and saying, here's what i heard, and these are the jobs that are going to be lost in kansas city and albuquerque and charlotte, north carolina, what have you. and that has a real impact on what members are hearing, because they're hearing it directly from their constituents when they go home. that that always has an impact. >> let me play a little bit of what republicans are at least saying in public about elon musk. >> elon and i are talking regularly, almost. >> daily now. >> about this so we can coordinate the efforts. >> elon musk isn't cutting anything. >> but if elon musk isn't cutting anything, why is he here talking to you tonight? >> because he's helping. >> us. >> uncover all the.

>> spending and. >> letting us know where the waste is. >> i encouraged him to go as fast as possible because we're going to lose our guts. >> my question is, what can we do? where would we go when he uncovers the information? he just said, let me get it to you, and then y'all decide what to do with it. >> they're all very publicly on the same page about this. on on being behind elon musk. i mean, obviously there's reporting saying that they're behind the scenes. not happy about it. you have the new york times report with the cabinet secretaries and word that, you know, republicans are getting an earful from their constituents. but, boy, if you're a constituent that's unhappy about this, and you look up and you see your congressman telling a reporter that everything's going great, you must not feel like you're being heard. >> well, i think there's we also have fast burns and slow burns, right? republican congressional districts, all the members you showed were republicans. their districts are republican. richard hudson, who you showed is an old college friend of mine. i know his district very well. it's very conservative, very republican. a lot of military jobs and veterans jobs there, by the way. so it's going to be a slower burn there. the attrition is going to happen,

have to happen after time. what they're hearing isn't necessarily what democratic offices are hearing. >> is this what they want though? i mean, i understand the desire to cut spending. i get that. is this the way republicans want to do it? >> i think in some cases, yes. in some cases, no. the process is very important to them here. right. and we hear donald trump saying, now we need we need to use a scalpel. obviously, elon musk came out with a chainsaw. the reality is we probably need a good chef's knife and somebody who knows how to use that. and one of the frustrations for republican members of congress, presumably for democrats as well, is congress doesn't do his job. they don't pass the appropriations bill, the bills that they need to. they haven't for generations. all of this gives the executive branch donald trump, joe b why was he there? and he kind of stumbled

and said, oh, he's there to help us. the title of elon musk is so important because this is a litigation issue. it's got back and forth again today. donald trump is now saying it's the cabinet secretaries who are going to be making these cuts. how does that affect the lawsuits that are currently being filed? >> i think it's one more data point, but still, the admission was made at that joint address to congress. and you can count on the plaintiffs in these litigations going before courts and saying, we need expedited discovery to determine who is running d.o.j, who is issuing orders either to cabinet secretaries or to lower level staff members at d.o.j. we need to understand who's accountable here, because one of the issues is whether doj's lawfully constituted in the first place. you and i have talked about this several times on air. it's the same argument that was used in the mar-a-lago case before judge cannon to dismiss that case, that because an agency head is not nominated by a president, confirmed by a senate, that that

person might not be operating a cabinet department or an agency constitutionally. that's an argument that various plaintiffs here and lawsuits against doj's are making before courts. and so therefore, they're going to want to get their hands on communications that elon musk has had with people and want to understand who's really making the calls here, and what are those calls that are being made, because there's a level of opacity here that transcends almost anything we've ever seen in government decision making. >> just to go back to the role of elon musk, not just in making these cuts, but the role he he is now. he is now holding within the republican party. and teddy, i'm curious your thoughts on this. elon musk is somebody that has so much money that if he single handedly decides that he wants to go after you and your congressional district or within your state, he can he can put up a real fight. he has there is there is there's a lot of money there that can make it very difficult for you to survive a political challenge. how much is that weighing on these lawmakers

as they come out and as they're asked about elon musk, as they're asked about doge? >> yeah, sure. i mean, elon musk, very notably his super pac, is still humming hard. i mean, he spent $4 million right now so far in the wisconsin supreme court election next month. he just earned $1 million for an ad, you know, thanking president trump and just sort of doing general pro-trump messaging that air in washington, dc television this week. primaries aren't that far away. i mean, you know, like if you're if you're running for office, running for reelection, like, you know, you're probably announcing for congress at the end of this year or in the middle of this year. and if you are right now taking positions that are opposed by musk and by doge, like the super pac is going to be following you. and, you know, i'm not saying they're going to launch 435 congressional primaries, but could they launch ten? sure. and, you know, could musk put in $10 million into each of those? and suddenly, you know, if you're a congressional candidate who's thinking about whether or not you want to be really

outwardly aggressive against elon, like, maybe, maybe you second guess that more than you would otherwise. so remember, this is not just a white house staffer. this is a white house staffer with a super pac that spent $300 million last cycle. and that's that's those are just the facts. >> the last word on this, doug. >> look, i think when we saw the cabinet meeting, we know a lot of when anybody's in a meeting and somebody else comes from the outside and starts talking about what they need to do, people get on their phones when they're in that meeting or outside of that meeting and say, who the hell is this guy? where did they come from? i know when i was working in house leadership, we would do that when a guy from the rnc named sean spicer would come in and tell us how to do our jobs. i'm telling you, as a matter of fact, that cabinet members are doing that with each other. >> it's sean spicer hawking equifax or something. now, i keep seeing commercials for him on television that have nothing to. >> carshield cars. >> carshield, that's what it is. all right, everybody, thank you so much for starting us off. on that note, still ahead, the trump presidency is a little

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>> yeah. look, there's a definite chill in the air here in toronto. and it's not just because it's march in toronto. canadians are furious at the united states right now. they're furious at donald trump, not just for the economic impact of these tariffs and the confusion that the on again, off again nature of them has wrought, but also at this sense of betrayal that america is their biggest trading partner, biggest ally. and we shouldn't be. as one person said to me today, stabbing them in the back. now canada is stabbing back at the united states. now they've put their own tariffs in place at the federal level. but at the provincial level, the canadian equivalent of states, there's other measures that are being put in place here in ontario. the premier's putting an extra 25% tax on electricity that's exported across the border to power homes and businesses in new york and michigan and minnesota, and they're pulling american spirits off the shelves. things like bourbon from kentucky, wines from california aren't available. canada's a big, big customer to the tune of about $1 billion a

year in ontario alone on those products. here's how the premier, doug ford, explained his decision to make them unavailable in the state run liquor stores here. >> we're the largest purchaser of alcohol in the entire world. we have something called the liquor control board of ontario. they control all the alcohol. we've pulled over $1 billion of alcohol off the shelves. we're the number one customer to 35 states and 3600 products. and so california wines, kentucky bourbon, texas vodka. and the list keeps going on. >> katie was striking to be in one of those liquor control board stores last night and walked down this huge row labeled california wines and see nothing but empty shelves. for what it's worth, the canadians and some americans who i talked to shopping there last night are fully supportive of this. what

one of the things that these trump tariffs have done is create real buy canadian movement here. real patriotic kind of rally around the flag moment here in canada to push back at their bigger neighbor to the south. they don't want to be bullied. they don't want to be pushed around by the united states. so they are looking for ways to kind of show their own muscle, including in this case, by just refusing to even make available american products to buy in a key consumer segment here. >> there's a visual for that right there. garrett haake, thank you very much. i'll let you warm up, christine, let's talk about the outlook here. today the jobs numbers were a little bit lower than expected. and this is remember it's backward looking. it's not even counting what we've been experiencing the past few weeks. and the expectation going forward is that the jobs numbers are going to look even worse. yeah, there are some folks out there predicting a recession. jerome powell, though, wasn't so bleak today. what's going on? >> so those jobs numbers were a little bit less than expected but still solid 4.1% unemployment rate still okay. but you're right. that's before there were tens of thousands of

federal job cuts. 10,000 federal job cuts were shown in those numbers. but there are a lot more since then. and so we're expecting the federal job part of this to continue to decline. and there are a lot of economists looking at for every federal job and every federal contract and every part of the government that's sliced. there are also private sector, private sector knock on effects, too. so trying to figure out what the multiplier effect is of those. and there's just a lot of uncertainty, you know, and uncertainty is the enemy of decisions. so companies that might be making decisions for hiring in the next couple of months, are you going to if you think the tariffs are going to hit you. so there's a lot of uncertainty. and then consumers same thing. consumers are feeling uncertainty. >> the private sector is also not hiring at the same rate any longer right. >> the private sector has been a good force of hiring for some time now. i mean, i think we've got several years of net positive private sector hiring. but again, the uncertainty is the real problem here. you look at so much of the auto industry. that's the private sector. they're about to face these these tariffs, tariffs that mean

that maybe expansion will have to slow for now. maybe hiring will have to slow for now. >> and we can put up if we can, a little box showing where the market market is. it was down a little bit earlier today. we can check out where it is right now. donald trump wants all it's up now. wants all cars to be made here in the united states. he doesn't like the back and forth between the parts. you know, sometimes a car will pass over a border, you know, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11 times before it is fully finished. he wants that all to happen here. is that something that could happen realistically anytime soon? >> not in the short term. i mean, that's something that could take years to undo. remember he wrote the rules for how those how those parts cross borders. and that's what makes the us automakers competitive with the other automakers around the world, who, by the way, also do the same thing in their regions. so that could take that could take some time. it's what he wants and it could take some time. >> christine romans, thank you very much. and coming up, what key group of voters might be starting to have second thoughts about supporting donald trump

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tariffs against those same countries, the state would be looking at a $1.4 billion tax hike per year. that is according to analysis by economic research firm trade partnership worldwide, and know that estimate does not include the fallout from potential retaliatory tariffs. and yes, the extra costs would most likely be passed on to consumers. joining us now, democratic governor of colorado jared polis. donald trump says this is a short term pain thing and that it's going to stabilize. his goal is to get manufacturing back here into the united states. how do you see this? >> well. >> look. >> this is very dangerous fire he's playing with. >> here, as you talked about, over $1 billion taken out of the hands of colorado taxpayers going to the federal. >> government. >> the reciprocal. >> tariffs destroying our exports. by the way, canada and mexico are colorado's biggest

trading partners. >> they're number. >> one, two and three. >> for almost almost every state in the country. >> for us, it's number one and two, half $1 billion a year of beef. >> exports go to canada. >> half a billion to mexico. we have tourists from mexico and canada spending money. in restaurants and. hotels in our state. >> this is a. >> huge risk for the economy across the entire country. i mean, you know, on every front, one of our big issues in colorado is the cost of housing. guess what? this will increase construction costs by 5 to 10%, $10,000 on a home. greater cost ongoing. as long as these tariffs remain in place. >> you're an entrepreneur. how do businesses shield themselves? can they shield themselves? and if they can't, what do they do? >> you know what. >> and that's. >> as bad as even worse. so in addition to the cost, there's the effect of deterring and preventing investment and growth. right. while there is all this uncertainty, whether they're on pause, whether they're in as long as people don't know, and it's at the whim of a very erratic president, it deters and freezes investment.

nobody's going to be building new manufacturing here if they don't know if they can export to mexico and canada. they're going to build those countries overseas. if they're entering beef purchase contracts, they're going to buy some of our competitors argentinian beef, for example, instead of colorado beef, not knowing if that supply is stable for months to come. so i urge the president to achieve stability here again. i hope that it's lower tariffs. i hope that these temporary delays go away and we just put something permanent, like the free trade agreement we already have in place, and we move on because mexico and canada are important geopolitical partners and economic partners. and you don't treat your partners in business the way that we've been treating these two great countries. >> i wonder if you see that one. i wonder if you believe there needs to be a balance here, because i think one of the reasons that donald trump was elected was this residual, this pent up anger from blue collar workers, the base of people that feel like they were left behind after nafta in the 90s. and it's been 30 years on on build for them. this anger and donald

trump was able to tap into it. that's one of the reasons they do feel like manufacturing overseas is a problem for them. they don't feel it's fair. is there a way to get our economy back to a place where more things are made here, without inflicting this pain, the pain of tariffs, without trying to upend the global trade system that is now going on? 40 years old? >> absolutely. it's to expand markets overseas for grown in america, made in america products. look, president biden didn't have a strong trade agenda. president obama did. that's one of the reasons president obama was so successful expanding markets in asia, colombia, europe. we need to move forward with making sure that america is the very best place to manufacture products, to grow produce for a worldwide market, and american workers benefit when we can be competitive and do that. and that's why we need to lean into.

and it's a great time for democrats to lean into the contrast here. let's not threaten europe. let's expand our relationship with europe to decrease tariffs. let's not threaten canada and mexico. let's bring down tariffs on both sides and expand the opportunity for made in america products to be sold in other countries. >> let me ask you about veterans, because a lot of veterans in the state of colorado and the cuts are going to the cuts to the va, the cuts to veterans is obviously affecting your state. i want to play a little bit of a little bit of a, of a story that was aired by a local station, wusa, over there in denver. >> my job. >> my goals, my duty since i've been. >> out of the military. >> has been to help people like me. >> monday, brett and at least four of his colleagues received this email telling them they were being let go, effective immediately. >> i think what bothers. >> me the most is whether you're. >> a republican. >> or whether you're a democrat, we're still human beings. it's our duty. and for that to be stripped away from us like it's unfortunate. it's not just about

me. it's about everybody that wakes up every morning and decides to start. sorry. and decides to come up here and work. so it's not just about veterans. i just happen to be one. >> you're west of the mississippi, so it's kusa, not wusa. excuse me, but you can feel that that veterans emotion they're feeling like, you know, he served his country. he was doing a good job. and it doesn't matter that he was put out on the street. there are a lot of democratic governors who say, if you've been laid off from the federal government, we want to hire you in the state government. what are you doing? kathy hochul is one of them here in new york. what are you doing? >> yeah. >> i mean, look, first of all, for the men and women who proudly worn our nation's uniform and served part of that fundamental deal is we've got your back. we're going to take care of you. we need to make sure we're not, you know,

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generation z activated a little bit older than this kid, activated by trump's machismo and political incorrectness, but also by his economic profile. they consider themselves high risk hustlers. that's how pollster john della volpe told told it to peter hamby, quote gen z men who are more likely than their peers to bet on sports, invest in stocks and dabble in crypto. their financial mindset is shaped by the belief that playing it safe leads to economic stagnation. but as both crypto and the stock market shudder, and prices for things like eggs skyrocket, trump is losing approval among these voters. joining us now, founding partner at puck and host of snapchat's good luck america, peter hamby. peter, it is good to see you. it has been a long time. >> good to see you, katie. >> thank you. explain this. the gen z men. the assumption is that they're firmly behind donald trump. what's going on? >> i think. >> you.

>> actually defined that. >> group pretty well. >> you. i think you and i both have been out on the road and talked to a lot of voters, all ages, races, genders. there's an assumption, though, maybe among democrats on the left, journalists, perhaps, that all young men are red hat wearing anti-woke ufc fans who like trump because he tells it like it is. but as you said, that's part of it. i spent so much of last year out in the swing states talking to younger voters of all kinds. the economic insecurity angle is very important. this is a generation, no matter the gender, that came up during the pandemic. their biggest fear is access to the economy. if you look at polls, younger people are more likely to say it's not just the cost of living, it's also jobs than older generations are. but john della volpe is. polling is very smart on this. he's doing a monthly tracking poll. he's the harvard youth pollster, kind of the gold standard. he basically found that there is a subset of

young men. he sort of categorizes them this way. they're more likely to gamble crypto stock market. et cetera. because they don't see a path to wealth, to owning a house, to owning a car, even in the way that previous generations did. and so they're more willing to take risks. and look, if you look at john's polling, trump's approval rating among young men overall is pretty steady, katy. but his approval rating on the economy has dropped 14 points between january and february. his approval rating on inflation has dropped 15 points among young men between january and february. and so if you look under the hood and polling at these economy numbers, that's true across all ages. but it can kind of be a canary in the coal mine. for a larger problems with his approval rating, which we see are going down. but i think the big picture here is young people, young men in particular, are giving trump the benefit of the doubt. overall. they like him. they want him to succeed. but the economy number is really bad because when. >> does that benefit. >> of the doubt in their

wallets? >> yeah. what is that benefit of the doubt run out? is there is there a bottom. is there a number that where it gets too low and donald trump can't can't make a comeback from it? >> if his overall approval ratings among young men like start to drop, i think that will mirror larger approval ratings among all men and they will start to go down. donald trump's approval rating is not great. i think, like the whole political universe right now is sort of frozen in this moment. they think trump is all powerful and he will be here forever. presidents come in very hot and popular, and they're popular until they're not. joe biden at this time was plus 15, that fave. we saw what happened with his approval rating later and then go back to george bush or jimmy carter or barack obama, whoever. and donald trump is starting out from a pretty low approval rating. so i think the bottom line, i talked to one republican strategist about this, who's working on some senate and governor's races for next year. his take was just that people want to see competence from donald trump on the economy. again, it's not just culture war stuff for young men. they want to see results.

for a lot of these voters, this was their first election and they took a chance on trump or they, you know, saw for the first time after the pandemic, like the cost of living was wasn't bad, wasn't good, hard to find a house, hard to get a job, etc. he's going to be our guy, but he needs to show results. i'm not saying it has to happen right now, but if we get into, you know, the summertime and, you know, people's crypto wallets aren't great, i have a feeling donald trump's going to feel that in his polling, too. >> let me ask you about some of the other canaries in the coal mine here. and you talk about some of the podcasters, you know, they just asking question podcasters. and you also mentioned dave portnoy of barstool sports and that he's not such a you can't paint him with an easy brush to say that he's just a donald trump supporter. although he did vote for donald trump and that he he released this tweet. and this could mean something. why is the release of the epstein list always a bleep show? he says, what's the point of booting out illegals and criminals while somehow becoming a safe haven

for the tate brothers? why is crypto in the toilet if trump is crypto king? how far does tesla stock have to crash before elon goes back to work? tell me about portnoy's influence here. >> i use portnoy in my piece des miss about the quote unquote bro vote, which i think is a pejorative. i agree with john fetterman on that. actually. it only turns people off. but i look i listen to a few barstool podcasts. katie, i have two washington commanders barstool t shirts. he's not just a red hat wearing trump guy. dave portnoy is a role model to a lot of younger people. he's a millennial. he's not gen z, it's transparent. he built his company from nothing. he's funny. yes. he doesn't like political correctness. yes, he voted for donald trump. but he was also, you know, he came out against the dobbs decision. and so i used him as an example of a lot of people sent me that very tweet and said, oh my gosh, is trump losing the bros? i mean, i think dave portnoy is a good example of a kind of younger

male trump voter that isn't full blown culture war. they don't care about the tait brothers. they don't care about the epstein files. you know, they do care about money and making it in the world. and he's not theo von, he's not joe rogan, he's not clay travis. he's just a guy that young people looked up to. he's adjacent to politics, but not of it. and so i thought that tweet was a good example of what we're talking about. portnoy and he said this out loud, is giving trump the benefit of the doubt, too. but he said this on fox business the other day. he wants to see his stocks go up and his wallet fatter. and i think a lot of young men would probably agree with that. >> i also think one thing to watch is, as you mentioned, he wasn't a fan of the overturning of roe v wade. there is an inherent tension there because a lot of the, you know, that category of voters, not necessarily the most culturally conservative voters. all right. >> shows up in polling. katie. i mean, young gen z men, like they believe in climate change. they don't care as much about the abortion wars that older, you

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meeting or any kind of a deal. take a listen to what the foreign ministry spokeswoman told us just a few days ago. what result does russia want to achieve? >> i think. that's it's a normal, normal situation when. >> you are. operating between two. >> big countriesave. interests, because. there is the. >> will of. >> your citizens. >> to establish, to. >> establish. comprehensive, comprehensive contacts. >> how quickly should we expect there to be a summit, if there is one between president trump and president putin? how soon do you think that might happen? >> it depends on the both sides and the speed of the both sides. >> is russia in a hurry? >> we are not in a hurry, but we are ready. >> and katie, talking to ordinary russians, that's what you find that on the one hand they say they do want peace, but on the other hand, not at any

price. one, for example, saying everything rests on zelenskyy, not on putin, not prepared to criticize putin at all. of course it is illegal to criticize the war here. >> katie couric. >> keir simmons good point. keir, thank you very much. and one last thing before we go. last week we watched secretary of state marco rubio sink into the couch. you saw it as president trump and vice president vance argued, berated ukrainian president zelensky. and it reminded us of this moment back from 2014. >> when the soviet union fell in. >> the early. >> 1990s, ukraine was left with the world's third largest stockpile of tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons on the planet. but they signed this agreement with the united states, the united kingdom, and the and russia that basically said, if you give up your nuclear weapons, we these three countries have signed to this will provide for your defense and assure you of your

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