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out as he left. some people got them, some people didn't. >> i did. >> not get one, but i did still. >> want to get. >> it on instagram. >> i will. >> get one. >> okay. i'm going to hold you to. >> it i. >> appreciate you. have a great weekend, ari. thanks so much. >> you too folks. >> we begin this hour with donald trump. trying to message his way out of the chaos that he's creating with america's economy and the first signs of the trump administration's impact on the labor. >> market. >> february's job report showed. that 151,000 jobs were added last month. now that is fewer jobs than expected, with unemployment ticking up to 4.1%. the federal government shrank its workforce by 10,000 as elon musk's department of government efficiency takes a chainsaw to the federal government. now, the majority of doj's purge of federal workers won't really be felt until next month's jobs report. but there's also some fallout of donald trump's whiplash tariff policy. just days after trump issued

exemptions on tariffs for a variety of goods from mexico and canada. two days after he put the sweeping tariffs in place, trump held an unscheduled oval office press conference to discuss the jobs report and his tariff policies. he was asked how long americans should expect things to cost more. >> there could be some disturbance, a little bit of disturbance. i solved a little bit of that because i have respect for our auto companies now. >> the president added that there are always adjustments and changes to his tariff policies, warning that he could implement tariffs targeting canadian dairy and lumber as soon as today. it all comes as members of trump's cabinet seem to be hinting at economic pain ahead for regular americans. a day after treasury secretary scott bessent defended donald trump's position on tariffs, saying that access to cheap goods isn't the american dream. well, today he did acknowledge signs of a slowing economy. >> could we be seeing that the

this economy that we inherited starting to roll a bit? sure. and look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as we move away from public spending to private spending. the market and the economy have just become hooked. we've become addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be a detox period. >> it's a lot. we're going to break it down. joining me now, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard is here at the table. so is republican strategist and msnbc political analyst rick tyler and msnbc contributor maria teresa kumar, president and ceo of voto latino. all right, vaughn, let's just start with you. okay. so february jobs report. oh, lord. see, let me tell y'all vibe was over here when i started to read. and now rick is over there. okay, little musical chairs over here for a friday night bond. february jobs report. fewer jobs than expected. unemployment is still

low. i would note, you know, 4.1% is remarkable given all the things that have gone on. these are still the bumps from the biden economy. but people are concerned. walk me through what the white house is thinking is what are the white house officials saying? i feel like they're trying to do this dance and message their way out of this mess that's been created, and the chaos and the uncertainty with, frankly, what's come out of cabinet officials, the president's own remarks. >> right. >> let's just go back to the transition to where and compare that to where we are now. during the transition, the stock market was still on its way up, as we saw over the course of all four years of the biden administration. corporations didn't actually largely believe that the trump administration would implement such far reaching tariffs, as he repeatedly threatened to do on the campaign trail. if you fast forward to where we are, though, now all of that has taken place, and even more so you have seen the stock market, the s&p 500 fell over the course of last week by more than 3%. you are

looking at economic consternation for americans. as howard lautner, commerce secretary, has acknowledged today that prices on some goods will in fact go up. and even scott bessent, his treasury secretary, acknowledging today that this is an organic strategy, effectively acknowledging that the trump administration is implementing these tariffs and in some cases, rescinding them on a day by day, week by week basis. and we have seen what the markets have done. and even president trump in the oval office today suggested that there would be some disturbances to the economy because of the results of the trump administration's economic policies that they've been implementing. >> organic strategy. the next time i go crazy shopping, i'm gonna tell my husband, rick, that, oh, well, this is just an organic strategy of how i decided to pick what i'm getting. this is organic, shawn. it's what i've got so many times. rick. republican senators are worried about the tariffs and something that we haven't seen thus far in the trump administration. are republicans

speaking out about their concerns? usually it's happening behind closed doors, but there are a lot of senators that we have on tape talking about the tariffs. going to play that for you right now. >> almost every industry. >> in kentucky. >> has come to me and said it will hurt our. >> industry and push up prices of. >> homes and cars. >> and so i'm going to continue to argue against tariffs. >> i'm worried about the tariffs. we're in uncharted waters. i think if the tariffs do start to cause inflation, i think the president will, will will back away from them. when we start losing you back off. you know, there's such a thing as a strategic retreat. at the end of the day, i think we have more leverage than any other nation. but we've got to be smart and we don't have all the leverage. >> rand paul of kentucky, i think the bourbon distilleries are concerned. john kennedy of louisiana and then thom tillis in north carolina. obviously, he's up for reelection in 2026. >> terrorists have a negative effect. >> on our economy. we don't have to wonder about it. >> it's like.

>> a wrecking. >> ball at the. >> apex, aimed at the building. when the. >> wrecking ball starts to move, we. >> know. >> it's going to happen. it's going to hit the building. >> that's what's going to happen. let's be clear about what tariffs are. >> tariffs are a tax. >> republicans used to like. >> not like taxes. >> now they love taxes. they love 25% taxes. >> and it is the worst kind. >> of tax because it's regressive tax mostly. >> on the. >> poor and the middle class. >> and so. >> what. >> happens is. >> imports come in. they go to the port. you cannot get you cannot release those imports from the port until somebody pays the 25% tax. there's three. >> possibilities of who will pay for it. the importer. >> will lower the price enough to absorb the tax. the distributor will. lower the price enough. to absorb the tax, or the retailer will lower the price enough to absorb the. tax or. some combination. but in most cases, eventually, because we live in a market economy and there's. >> competitors. >> they will have to raise the price. who will pay that price? people who shop at walmart, people who buy cars. >> people. >> who buy washing machines. people who buy refrigerators all on down the line. and the whole complaint about the obama, the

obama way back, biden administration was that inflation was out of control. it was inflation is not gone down. it's actually increased 3%. people are paying more than they were when trump took office, and they're looking for relief. i don't see how they're going to absorb the 25% tax on all. >> of these different products. >> worse than that is okay. it's a tax. everybody's going to pay more money. worse than that is the supply chain. we live in a real time supply chain opportunity. so when someone says, where are we going to get our goods? well, well boss we used to get them from canada. maybe we need to get them from indonesia now. oh wait. oh, we took them off of canada. we'll go back to that supplier. no, wait. mexico has them now. oh, mexico doesn't have them now. and that is chaos. the market can't deal with that. markets hate chaos, which is why people are escaping the market and moving to more secure. >> maria teresa. the supply chain point is such a good one. i mean to bring it. i'm glad rick explained it because people are like, i don't know, i don't think we're paying the tariffs.

and i'm like, jesus, no, i'll skip the economics class. >> wealth transfer from the poor to the government. that's all. >> it is. it's just really kind of crazy that there was even a debate about this. when you talk about supply chain, i'm thinking about the fact that, like lumber, everything, housing is already expensive. people are already complaining about housing being expensive, not just like actual homes, mortgages. but i'm thinking about rental units, the rental, the people that build the rental units. if it costs more to make them, they're going to raise the prices. >> that's exactly. >> i mean. >> prior to. >> this, i. >> actually used to. >> do trade for congressmen. >> and one of the things that we know is that. >> that tariffs is actually. the bluntest instrument. >> you actually don't want to use it. we've actually tried to encourage. every single country not to do it, because it becomes a tax, and it becomes an unfair advantage for folks locally. >> but when you talk. >> about the. supply chain. >> let's say. >> that you. are trying to. >> shut down that auto industry in mexico. you don't want that manufacturing. well, you know where the steel comes from. oftentimes it comes from it

comes from the midwest. when we're talking about the different elements that are going to be all of a sudden taxed because they brought back in, americans are not only going to be paying the tax going out there, but also here. >> so we're talking. >> about possible closures of us manufacturing here. >> who provide. >> supplies and intimate. >> little pieces of components to build manufacturing issues outside. so when you. >> rick. >> are. >> talking about the tax, it's not just. >> the local person. >> but it's the. >> business leader as well. >> and it goes. >> all the way. >> up. >> from wall street. >> all the way down. >> to. >> main street. >> this is if. >> you are a family right now and you are trying to figure out, can i actually plan for a family vacation? >> absolutely not. >> because you don't know if you have a job next month and. >> the jobs report that we're talking about. >> that doesn't. include the 60,000. >> federal workers that were just laid off. >> right. we're going to see those. what month is this? march. now we're going to see those in is it march yet? i don't even know what month it is y'all. it's been a week. we're going to see those in april. right. you are absolutely correct okay. so all of this is

happening i feel like this is a situation the economy that united democrats, republicans and independents. everybody's like it's just too expensive. and i'm not just talking about the eggs. the eggs are expensive right. >> all agree on. >> tariffs, right? >> the keynesians and the austrian school of economics agree on tariffs. they're a bad. >> idea bringing america together one one tax at a time. can i need you to tell me about the south african white farmers because i let me just tell you the president i know y'all are like, what is she talking about? donald trump promises expedited citizenship for south african farmers. okay, this is what he said on truth social. to go a step further, any farmer with family from south africa seeking to flee that country for reasons of safety will be invited to the united states of america with a rapid pathway to citizenship. this process will begin immediately. i am reading this because with the impact of the tariffs and this chaotic situation is having a real impact on american farmers from where i'm from, nebraska to minnesota to iowa. and you had john boyd of the national farmers, national association of black farmers on today on msnbc.

and this is what he said. i want to get your response on the other side. take a listen. >> every time the president uses the word tariff, he calls complete chaos and confusion, and it's created a state of emergency for america's farmers. right now, there's $30 billion at usda that haven't been disbursed to america's farmers is planting season. we don't have farm operating loans in place. my message to the president today, if you love america's farmers, release that money so that farmers can get in the field. >> what's going on here? >> this is i was talking to doug saab. he's from denison, iowa, a farmer. and the way that he put it to me is over the last two weeks, the price of soybeans have dropped $0.56. the price of corn has dropped $0.52. that's the price on the commodities market. when they go and offer it out to buyers. and the way that he put it on just his farm alone, that is $70,000 in

losses. that is what we're talking about. >> $0.62 is now 70. oh my. >> goodness. >> 70,000 farmers can't afford. >> this in losses here. and the other part of this is i think dairy is a good example because today from the oval office, president trump brought up his frustration with canada. and in terms of its dairy market. well, if you go back six years ago, this was the same debate that took place. and in fact, justin trudeau and the canadians is part of the usmca agreement. they agreed to allow the us greater access to the canadian dairy market, selling up to 3.6% of their domestic market would be us dairy. and so that's where kind of the frustration from canada today is because if you look at the way that us agriculture handles the markets, they allow farmers to produce as much as they want. there's an overproduction of milk in the united states right now. people are not drinking as much. there's too many out there. walmart has its own milking production. compare that to canada, which has controls, and there's a whole debate on how economy should work. but canada,

they have controls over how much milk their farmers can produce and they set the price. and so from canada's point of view, they're like, okay, america, sorry, you're overproducing milk. that's not our problem. don't throw tariffs on us because your farmers are struggling to make ends meet because of your inability to set your own markets and be able to sell that. that's not our problem. but here we are now. canada sort of has its arms up in the air saying, we came to an agreement. we allowed you guys to sell more milk to us six years ago, and now you're throwing all of this into a race. >> so it was. >> also us aid. most 50% of us. >> state actually. >> went to farmers here in. >> the united states because of. >> their oversupply. >> that would actually go and feed the rest. >> of the world. so he literally took. out the opportunity. for the farmers. >> to make sure. >> that they are making money. >> by closing down usaid. >> we are out of time. but, rick, if you had like a sentence to describe what what the strategy, if you thought there was one, what would the. >> the strategy for who? >> that's the right question. >> that is the actually the question.

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>> it's more confusion. the only thing certain about yesterday was uncertainty moving forward. and with investments in the us and canada, everything's stalled right now and it's really, really concerning. so we're going to continue on. and i always say in every interview, canadians love americans, i love americans, we love the us. i lived there for 20 years. and this this is insanity. >> ontario premier doug ford is making the media rounds, most recently with nbc's garrett hake in toronto, not afraid to brawl publicly with president donald trump over his on again, off again tariff strategy. on cnn, canadian foreign minister mélanie joly also offered this blistering attack. >> we've been shown. >> too much disrespect by the trump administration. >> at this point, calling us a 51st. >> state. >> calling our prime minister governor. >> this is not only a personal issue between. >> prime minister. >> trudeau and president trump. it's way more than that.

>> joining me now is katie simpson, senior foreign correspondent for cbc news. katie, something must be going on if the americans are calling, going up to canada to do interviews. and we have you here today. let me just say i want to start on the tariffs. how is this playing domestically in canada? >> there is nothing that. >> is sucking up more oxygen in canada right now. and because the power of these. >> tariffs, it can. >> cause such widespread economic harm in canada. thousands of job losses. it's expected to trigger a recession. it's completely upending how businesses are able to, you know, use the supply chain. canada is a much smaller country, population. >> wise, than the. >> united states, and canadian businesses rely on accessing the american market. >> and there. >> is. >> this free. >> trade agreement that donald trump himself had. >> negotiated, renegotiated. >> and, you know, people thought that that those were going to be the. rules for trade, the rules for business. and now with all of this. >> uncertainty. >> not only is it very difficult for businesses and difficult for

the politicians. >> to sort. of sort. >> through trying to figure out what donald trump thinks or means or what he's going to do next, or how it's going to have an impact. >> on canada. >> but canadians, like regular canadians, are. so angry. you see it with the booing of the national anthem. canadians are choosing to do things like buy canadian products rather than buying american products. some american products are being pulled off shelves and shelves in canada, and anecdotally, we hear these stories about canadians. >> who would be. >> going to america on vacation. they're changing their plans. instead, they're shifting those kinds of things. so that sort of it is sucking up all of the oxygen in this moment in canada. and canadians are so angry. from the beginning i have thought this the, the, the tariffs conversation specifically as it relates to canada, is directly connected to the president talking about making canada the 51st state. and there's now new reporting in the new york times. and the headline is how trump's 51st state canada talk came to be seen as deadly serious. president trump, in an early february call, challenged the border treaty between the two

countries and told justin trudeau he didn't like their shared water agreements. trudeau told the news media in ottawa what he wants. what he wants is to see a total collapse of the canadian economy, because that will make it easier to annex us from the beginning. i have said to folks, when i heard donald trump talking about making canada the 51st state, and i heard american journalists say, oh, you know, the president is really into, you know, territorial expansion. i paused, because to me, that sounds like the language of vladimir putin. vladimir putin is into the territorial expansion. the president seems to not care about the sovereignty and the borders and the rules and the laws. and it seems as though that the canadians are taking this seriously. so justin trudeau was caught on a hot mic moment when he was speaking to business. >> leaders in toronto. >> a few weeks ago, where he talked about how it is the view from the prime minister's office that donald trump. >> is serious. >> when it comes to trying to take canada by. economic force and that these tariffs, the.

instability and the harm it's going to cause, the job losses, that heading toward recession, those kinds of things will make it easier for donald trump to sort of proceed. and ever since that moment. >> happened. >> there have been a series of questions and some of them to the prime minister. >> about this. >> about whether the canadian government actually sees this as. >> a serious threat. >> there is deep. concern in canada, and. >> it's. >> making canadians. again, i hate to keep going back to this point, but canadians are so angry. but with some of my reporting that i've been doing, speaking with sources and senior canadian government officials, the there is deep concern that he is very serious, that donald trump is expansionist. and it starts with this economic force that that donald trump the harm that economic that all of these tariffs could cause to the canadian economy. so then what can canada do to stop this? and it's like it sounds crazy to say, but i mean, it is. what can we do to defend itself against this? economic, literally this economic warfare that the president seems to be trying to wage onto the people of canada.

and then secondly, does this was this a factor in prime minister trudeau not seeking reelection? so there's a whole bunch of domestic politics at play with justin trudeau. canada. the term was sort of coming to an end. he was his minority. parliament was going to be over sometime this year in 2025. >> it was. >> sort of sped up by the departure of his deputy prime. >> minister, chrystia freeland. >> she quit, put out a scathing letter letter and said, we disagree fundamentally on how you want to deal with donald trump, which is the greatest challenge that canadians will face in generations because of the hostile economic threats that have been taking place. and that sort of justin trudeau was already deeply unpopular in canada. and it was getting worse and worse and worse. and that sort of was seen as the tipping point. and really, there was a there was a big scandal in canada about how chrystia freeland is a deputy prime minister, but also the finance minister and the prime minister had proposed to her. listen, we're going to make you just you're going to deal mostly with canada-u.s. relations. we're going to bring in this other

guy, mark carney, to come and be the finance minister, mark carney, who is the former governor of bank of canada, former governor of the bank of england. and he was always thought that he had leadership aspirations. well, when chrystia freeland heard that during a zoom call with the prime minister on a friday, she quit very publicly by monday morning, she was like, not on my watch. so she was she was not having that that was going to be a no for her. so that that happened and that was sort of the final sort of push. but the thing is, dealing with donald trump is going to be the ballot box question in canada. so justin trudeau's time as prime minister is coming to an end. very soon the liberal party will be holding or they'll be tallying their vote on sunday. the person who wins that it's likely expected to be mark carney to come back to that name again. that is what the expectations are at this point. i don't ever want to predict politics, but that's what everyone is thinking, just based on caucus support and sort of the way that the opposition is focusing on him. so it's thought he's going to be the front runner. what happens is the prime minister will then formally resign to the governor general, and then mark

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just heard was dan bongino. he has spent years criticizing the fbi. he's been spreading far right conspiracy theories, and he's soon going to be the number two at that very same agency. one could argue i would. he's unqualified. you put that imposter syndrome in your pocket because look at dan bongino. this is all after, though. he's not going to go to the fbi until after he winds down his right wing podcast that is ending next week. and unlike every other deputy director that came before him in the agency's history, bongino will be the first to have never worked a day at the fbi. joining me now is someone that actually knows something about the fbi is frank figliuzzi. he's msnbc senior national security analyst, and he is a former fbi official. frank, i just i don't even know what to say. >> i hear the frustration in your voice, and i can tell you it's being echoed throughout much of the fbi community. certainly my own thoughts. look, it's sad. that i'm about what i'm about to say, which is that

his lack of qualifications professionally is the least of my concerns. what is my chief concern is that we now have with him two conspiracy theorists leading the fbi. he has repeatedly claimed that the fbi planned and executed the insurrection on january 6th, as you just played, that indeed, they rigged the presidential election on and on. oh, how about this that the fbi knows who planted the pipe bombs the night of january 5th before the insurrection, but won't tell us. so i'm eager for his podcast to wrap up so he can get into office and divulge who it was that planted those pipe bombs. here's the problem he hates the fbi. he openly disdains it. he's called for it to be dismantled, and he doesn't clearly understand the role the fbi plays in keeping us safe from terrorists and spies and organized crime. he does not

seem to get that. he spent two years as a cop. he did 12 years as a secret service agent and then left mid-career, which is relatively rare. and now he's got to lead the organization that he disdains. that's not a recipe for good leadership, and i wish him the best. i want him to succeed. i spent 25 years there. i know what the fbi does every day, even as we speak. simone, there's a surveillance team somewhere in the united states looking at a potential terrorist who may or may not be executing a terror attack right now that they're going to prevent. he's going to get briefed on that week one, on all of the threats to the country. and when he says things like, you know, they need to go work drugs. yeah, the fbi does work drugs on a transnational organized crime level. but the top priorities of the fbi are countering terrorism, countering foreign spies, countering cyber attacks, civil rights, corruption. none of that's getting mentioned by him or kash

patel, which worries me because it seems to me they just think the fbi should be out there working street crime. they don't get it. >> you knorank, i am glad that you made the point that it's not just that he hasn't. the reason he's unqualified, if you will, isn't just because he hasn't worked at the fbi before. even though the past two fbi deputy directors have had what? i think they came to the role with more than 35 years combined experience in the agency. but and you just made some of these points there. but you also wrote about this on nbc.com, that there are many reasons why bongino is the wrong pick to help lead the fbi. but you know, you understand what it is, frank. therefore he's the pick. he's not going anywhere and that is why you wish him well. i am concerned, though, about the conspiracy theories. it's one thing when you are saying something on a podcast, but it's an entirely another thing when you have the intel and the information, when you know what is, what is true and what is in

fact a lie, a conspiracy theory, yet you continue to spout the things anyway. i am not optimistic that bongino is all of a sudden going to have a change of heart once he sees the intel, but what are folks within the fbi hoping for? do they think that just the sheer magnitude of the job will have some effect on him? >> well, i hate to say this, but what they think is the sheer magnitude of the job is going to is going to weigh too heavily on him, that he's not ready for this. what he's about to do is run the day to day operations of the fbi, what will be on his desk and briefed to him 2 or 3 times a day are the most high profile, most complex, most dangerous cases of the fbi is working around the world, and they're not certain, based on his track record, what he has already told us, who he told us he is, that he can get this and do it right and not fake it. you know what his response was to this? on his podcast, he said, i know people are unsure, you know, because on this, on this

guy that yells and rants on on a podcast. but i'm telling you, i've got all kinds of different skill skill sets. you could be a little league coach and a teacher at the same time. you could be a parent and something else at the same time. he doesn't get it. those are different skill sets, but they're not about who you are as a person and your values. if who you are is someone who believes lies and doesn't value facts and evidence, you're not fit to run an an fbi. that is all about facts and evidence. >> frank. i couldn't have said it better myself. my friend. thank you so much for your time tonight. appreciate it. coming up, thousands of scientists and their supporters have gathered in washington, d.c, today to protest trump's anti-science policies. look at the folks, particularly there, protesting his severe cuts to research funding. we're going to talk to one of the scientists who spoke at the rally after the break. >> if you're looking for the

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administration's actions, which, as one scientist warned, could have devastating impacts. >> when there's no funding. >> for scientific. >> research into. disease prevention and cures, real. >> people will. >> suffer when. >> there's no. >> one to keep our food. >> air and. >> water quality. >> safe and clean. >> real people will get. sick when there's no one watching and alerting us to hurricanes, wildfires. >> and other extreme weather and. >> climate impacts. >> people will die. >> joining me now is gretchen goldman, who you just saw there in that clip. she is an environmental scientist and president of the union of concerned scientists. gretchen, i was just saying to chris jansing just yesterday, my colleague chris jansing said, look, people are looking for one charismatic leader, but no one a savior isn't coming. the people will need to stand up themselves. and if you believe what is happening is wrong, as i do, if people are being adversely affected, folks have to speak up. and the scientists,

y'all are not activists, okay? you are scientific researchers. you all are folks that spend your have spent your life in labs and some of you in teaching positions in the service to your country. now you all are out there on the front lines because it is so dire. talk to us about some of what we didn't see in the in the clip, and just how folks are feeling. and i'm sorry, this is we even have to have this conversation. >> yeah. >> thank you. it's really quite dire. we're seeing really an all out assault on science and scientists in the united states. and that's coming from the trump administration. there we're seeing a smashing of federal science agencies firing of federal scientists. and that's having real impacts on the health and safety of communities across the country. so today at the rally was about a show of unity, where we all stood up to say, this is unacceptable and we will not stand for it.

>> the picture. can we go back to the picture of just all the folks on the mall? the wide shot. it is remarkable to see so many folks standing up for science. and i mean, it's look at all that. it's necessary because here's just a little bit of what has happened from reuters. cdc plans study into potential connections between vaccines and autism. the cdc's move comes amid one of the largest measles outbreaks the u.s. has seen in the past decade. more than 200 cases and two deaths in texas and new mexico. the outbreak has been fueled by declining vaccination rates in parts of the united states, where parents have been falsely persuaded that such shots do more harm than good. now you're an environmental scientist, but you know the science is writ large across the board. how dangerous is the misinformation that we are starting to see come out of the administration and just, you know, the massaging of the facts? how dangerous is that for real people across the country? extremely dangerous. >> because a lot of the work

that we see across the country is underpinned by science and government, science in particular. we don't think about it in our everyday lives, but keeping our food safe, keeping our air clean, our water clean, our drug development and cancer research and weather forecasts and wildfire management. all of these things depend on federal scientists, government scientists and government science being funded. and so without all of these scientific activities happening and the threats to those and the cuts to the capacity we have in those places, people will get hurt. we're seeing already some evidence of that. and it's really quite alarming because people will be will get sick, people will die. it's not something that we need to take lightly. it's not just a political priority. this is about the health and safety of the country. >> why? why do you think there's such an adverse just just a negative spotlight on the scientists? like why? i'm

thinking back to the joint address earlier this week. and there was this very, i would argue, touching moment where a young a young child dj, he had he was a survivor of childhood cancer, pediatric cancer survivor. and the president highlighted him. and it struck me that like. but didn't they just fire a bunch of pediatric cancer researchers? like, what is it about the scientists that make them like they're in the middle of the ire of this administration? >> right. that was so wild to see, because dj presumably benefited from a lot of that cancer research and development and the leadership of us science. i think there's cases where it's really that science is the collateral damage, right? they're trying to make drastic cuts, and science is in the way. but there's other cases where i think they don't want to hear the truth. and so if it is inconvenient to have scientists in the room, then they'll try to cut it out. and so it's up to us to really show what the harm is

in that and what the risks are to the country and to the world of really cutting out this critical science that we all depend on in our daily lives. >> well, i will just note the trump administration has moved to drop a lawsuit over toxic chemical, a toxic chemical. the trump administration, they've told a federal court that they're going to drop a biden era case against a chemical manufacturer accused of contributing to increased cancer risk in a predominantly black community near louisiana port. it strikes me that the scientists probably had something to do with unearthing what was happening. and then the justice department under the biden administration took action. now we're seeing the opposite. >> yeah, indeed. and i think that's why we also see this intersection between the attacks on science with some of the attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion, because in lots of sciences, it is critical that you look at the disparate impacts. look at health impacts in different communities. how do we really address problems that are disparate in different places across different populations? and you really can't separate those things. we need to look at equity when we

look at science, and that's how we make the world better for everyone. and so it's really quite dangerous. and we're seeing them take some really problematic steps in that direction. >> well, gretchen, in this moment, i'm sure you did not sign up to be a patriot, if you will, activist if you will, for the sciences. but thank you for being a patriot. and again, i'm so sorry that you are going through this and even having to have these conversations. thank you for your time. folks, i don't know if gretchen knew what was coming up next, but we're going to talk about this hysteria and how it has reached new heights. you'll never believe which name they're trying to get rid of now because their database thought it was thhave you always had trouble woke. wwith your weight? me too. discover the power of wegovy®. with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. and i'm keeping the weight off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only weight-management medicine

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>> donald trump is defending the mass firings of federal watchdogs. >> our federal government now can discriminate against the citizens of the country. >> we are all watching and waiting to see who is going to hold the line. >> don't miss the. >> weekends, saturday. >> and sunday mornings at 8:00. >> on msnbc. >> while doge is laying off 6000 veterans who make up 30% of the federal workforce, defense secretary pete hegseth is hard at work purging anything that has to do with diversity, equity and inclusion. so he thinks, according to the associated press, which got access to a photo database that has marked up to 100,000 images for deletion. the pentagon is ready to purge images that target women and minorities. one particularly absurd image tagged for deletion is an image of the enola gay. yes, you heard that right. the enola gay, the b-29 bomber that dropped the first atomic bomb on hiroshima. apparently, the word gay is too triggering. maria teresa kumar is back with us. maria teresa, i did not know that the b-29 bomber identified as anything

other than a b-29 bomber. >> well, neither. >> did the. >> pentagon. but this is. >> but this is the thing is. >> that they're trying. >> to erase. history right. >> before our eyes. >> and they're trying. >> to whitewash all our roots. >> but when. >> the airmen are also up for deletion, a photo of the army corps biologist was on the list because it mentioned they were recording data about fish, including their weight, size, height. another image flagged was that was still visible included images of world war two women air service pilots. >> well, we. >> could go. >> down the list. and the. >> fact that right now the trump agenda says we want to get rid of all die. there's a economic case for die. if you walk into america's classroom right now, we are living in a multicultural country full stop. but if you go into our boardroom. it's 55% white men. we are not preparing a pipeline of leaders to fill those those actual eventual vacancies. >> and when you. >> actually look at. >> companies that have. >> diverse programs, this is according to mckinsey. >> they have. >> they. actually generate. 35% more revenue. >> the more. >> diverse their. >> workforces than.

>> those that don't. >> so let's. >> say target. target in. 2022 found. >> that the folks. >> their stores that had more diversity all. >> up and down their. >> board in. >> their from their management, all the way on down those stores, they actually had 5% more customer satisfaction. 8% less employee turnover right now, because. >> target right. >> now is going and walking behind their dei. guess what's happening? many of. >> their. stores are down 10 to 15%. >> i know i haven't been in a target since the announcement was made about their now belonging program. this this economic case makes makes sense. i, i was thinking about this. something very sinister is happening here and it made me think about steve bannon. i know you're like what is happening? steve bannon talked a lot about no, you're right. i was like, what? there's all these reverse racism headlines now and talk that's happening. you've got donald trump vows to fight anti-white feeling in the united states. axios trump allies plot anti-racism protections for white people. just tonight, the

university of virginia announced that it passed a resolution dissolving universities office of equity, inclusion and community partnerships, ordering a review of university programs. this comes after the state of the secretary of education for the state directed the boards that govern the public colleges to basically get rid of all the discrimination on campus. it seems to me that the protections from the civil rights act of 1964 maybe even could extend to the voting rights act of 1965, even the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments are going to now be weaponized against the very people with whom they were created to protect. for this false sense of reverse racism. >> well, and let's. >> say let's actually. >> play devil's advocate, right? i mean, we can argue that dei is a blunt instrument. sure. but if again, if you go into american's classrooms, we are a majority minority country right now. in the kindergartens of today, in the. >> sixth grades. >> of today. >> can we say. >> that our boardrooms. >> that our halls. >> of congress reflect. >> those. >> individuals that. >> they. >> are supposed to be. >> protecting and that they're preparing them for the future?

they are not. >> but you know who. >> is preparing for. >> their future, who is. >> becoming more diverse when it comes to their hiring practices. you can look at germany, you could look at hong kong, you could even look at england. >> they recognize. that human. >> capital is. >> going. >> to be the cutting edge of who dominates the world economies. next, in this 21st century, we have an incredibly diverse workforce. >> we have. >> incredible opportunity. >> these dei programs. >> are supposed to be. >> preparing our. >> folks, institutions. >> that are not. >> used to making sure that. >> people like us actually are in these positions. >> i think that's the point of these policies from the biden, the biden from the trump administration and poor, poor joe biden. not you, mr. president, from the trump administration to the university of virginia to place in florida. they don't want that diverse society. they don't want these diverse communities. so they're trying to blunt that. they think they can blunt the growth. >> right. but first of all, the. >> the future. >> is born. >> but they're. >> blunting our. >> future as. >> well, because. >> these individuals are. >> going. >> to want to be in power

places. but if we don't have americans that are prepared, who is going to take that lead? and that is the challenge that the what the. >> republicans don't really seem to. >> understand is like, how are we preparing. >> ourselves globally. >> to compete. >> globally in a. >> completely diverse world. >> than what they. >> are thinking about? when you talk about a lot of the policies that they're. they're they're talking about right now, it's mostly from the 1950s. it's when america wasn't as diverse, wasn't prepared. and we actually know better. >> we know better. maria teresa kumar, thank you. and thank you at home for joining us this hour. i'm sanders townsend. you can catch me, alicia menendez and michael steele on the weekend. tomorrow we are going to talk to former cia director john brennan. and on sunday, congresswoman rosa delauro joins the conversation. we're going to talk about medicaid. be sure to watch the weekend. that's saturday and sunday, 8 a.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. but don't go anywhere because all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> i never went bankrupt. >> well. >> on the brink. >> neil.