marching for voting rights were attacked by police armed with batons, dogs and tear gas. but the arc of the moral universe bent toward justice. with the voting rights act signed into. law later that year, in august of 1965, and here in selma, jackie now. runs her coffee shop out. >> of. >> that. >> once segregated. >> diner. with that divisive window now filled with accolades from around the world. >> there's community, there's unity, there's love, there's light, and there's a successful black woman that's operating in a space that 60 years ago did not stand for those same things. >> and now. >> this is a place. for everybody. this is a place for everybody. >> priscilla thompson, nbc news, selma, alabama. >> that is a great story about jackie. and tomorrow we're going to have more coverage as selma marks 60 years since that day, politics nation will be live from selma. that begins at 5

p.m. eastern. in moments, hear from the author of a new article that probably got your attention. how trump's 51st state canada talk came to be seen as deadly serious. next. top of the hour with a good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we're beginning this hour with breaking news. house speaker mike johnson has released a federal funding bill that would avert a government shutdown this friday and keep the government running through the end of september. it is unclear if johnson, though, has enough republican votes to get it passed. house democrats saying they have no intention of helping out, arguing the cr would allow the administration to take a wrecking ball to federal programs through the year. >> if you. >> really want me to vote for something. i need to have the peace of mind and the guarantee that if i vote for a bill on friday. all of a sudden. >> on saturday. >> elon musk won't show up and shut the agency down that i just

agreed to fund. >> a new twist in the looming global trade war. a new report says china has hit canada with new tariffs to deter canada from cooperating with the u.s. on trade. meanwhile, president trump, after walking back his tariffs on canada and mexico this week, is proposing new levies on canada that could go into effect next week. that includes a 250% tax. you heard right on dairy products. trump warning on friday that his tariffs could cause short term pain for americans. >> there could be some disturbance, a little bit of disturbance. i solved a little bit of that because i have respect for our auto companies, and i gave them a little bit of a one month reprieve because it was it was unfair. although i'm sure they'll take advantage of it. >> a new reaction from congressman al green after he was censured for his protest during trump's address to congress. >> i did this not to get a read

of what the congress is all about. it was something that happened rather spontaneously. i was gathering my things to leave when the president said he had a mandate, and that triggered something in me. i just could not allow him to cause people to think that he may have a mandate to cut trump's medicaid. >> we've got a number of reporters and analysts in place there ready to go over all these new developing storylines with us. we're going to go to nbc's yamiche alcindor, who is in west palm beach, florida, where the president is spending his weekend. yamiche, what are you learning about that voluntary separation email that's been sent out to every worker? that's 80,000 at health and human services. >> well, this is, of course, the latest push by the department of government efficiency, or dodge, to cut down the federal workforce in this latest effort, some 80,000 employees at the department of health and human services are being offered a $25,000 lump sum payment to

resign from their post. that's 80,000 people who are working on public health issues, on science issues in this nation. the email said that this is this offer is being made to try to avoid or minimize involuntary separations, aka firing people. it's a big question of how many people take this. we know that last time around, about 75,000 federal workers across all agencies took the first offer from dodge, which was an eight months pay on their salary and then for them to leave the government. so it will be very interesting to see. we know overall that the president and elon musk want to cut down on something like $2 trillion worth of federal spending, though, of course, the federal workforce. we should remind folks, is just a small part of that big figure they're trying to cut. alex. >> okay. looking ahead, you have senior trump officials. they're going to sit down with ukrainian president zelensky next week. that's happening in saudi arabia. what's the goal of this meeting, yamiche? >> well, in the aftermath of that explosive confirmation

confrontation at the oval office, where we saw, of course, president zelensky and president trump get very, very personal in their animus, we're now hearing that senior trump administration officials are going to be meeting with ukrainian officials, including president zelensky, in saudi arabia. take a listen to what president trump said yesterday at the white house about where peace talks stand. >> i think we're doing very well with russia, but right now they're bombing the hell out of ukraine and ukraine. i'm i'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with ukraine. as you know, we're meeting in saudi arabia on sometime next week early and we're talking. what i find that in terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with russia, which is surprising because they have all the cards. >> so it's going to be very interesting to see how those talks happen and sort of what happens in terms of not just sort of the substance of those conversations, but the tone and tenor, given the fact, of

course, that there was that that real confrontation in the oval office. and it will be also interesting to see how president trump deals with this. we know that there was a big question of whether or not the united states was even going to be open to speaking with ukrainian officials again, especially after they paused military aid to ukraine, also paused intelligence sharing with ukraine after that oval office confrontation. so definitely something that we're going to be watching very closely. and still a big question about whether or not president trump and president zelensky will ever meet one on one again. alex. >> yeah. we'll see. i mean, when you have the likes of senator lindsey graham after that meeting that friday saying, i don't know if we can ever do business with him again. yeah, lots of questions. yamiche, thank you so much. let's go back now to that developing story. president trump doubling down on even more tariffs on canada. the president and canadian prime minister justin trudeau, going toe to toe over the trade war during trudeau's final days in office. joining me now, canada bureau chief for the new york times, stephen mattina, welcome to you. how are canadians reacting to this tariff trade

war that president trump started? >> alex. >> people are livid. >> they're so angry. >> they're very, very disappointed. and i feel that there's been a real breach of trust in the relationship. with the united states. their neighbor, ally, friend. we've been hearing a lot about the history of the two. >> countries. >> how canadian soldiers have fought by the side of american soldiers. and that relationship has really been ruptured. >> and listen to the point that canadian stores apparently have stopped selling american wines and liquor. a retaliatory measure against president trump's tariffs. are canadians rallying around that idea? i mean, do they mind that they're not going to have access to some american products for a while? >> i think it's. >> a mixed picture. >> i think on the surface, and certainly in. >> the heart. >> of a lot of in the hearts of a lot of people. this buy canadian has become a rallying cry, a sort of rally around the flag moment. at the same time, we've heard stories.

>> about. >> you know, bars hoarding the last of bourbon before it disappears off the shelves. so obviously, you know, people like american products. and that's kind of part of what this government has been saying. is we do business together. why are you causing this? and they're sort of looking back to president trump and saying, you started this. we don't want this, but we do have to do something in return. we do have to retaliate. >> yeah. well, listen, it's not dissimilar to the way americans like canadian maple sirup, among other things. but let's get to your reporting now, martina, because president trump is challenging the border treaty between the u.s. and canada and repeatedly calling it the 51st state, you say leaders in canada are taking it serious, deadly serious. in fact. why? >> it's been fascinating to watch this becoming a sort of consensus point at a really difficult and fraught political moment for canada. you're seeing this rhetoric being taken very seriously by the conservatives and the liberals, and also pretty much across society. and the reason why is that not only

has the president doubled down on his public statements, you know, 51st state governor trudeau, what sort of started as a maybe tasteless joke has just become basically the way he talks about canada, but also because my reporting shows that in private conversations between the two heads of state and government, as well as in top official communications between the united states and canada, this sort of rhetoric has legs. my reporting shows that president trump, in an early february call with prime minister trudeau, mentioned the border treaty between the two countries, as well as water treaties that he doesn't like and wants to revise. for example. >> let me get to the border treaty because that one has been a real curve ball. you say that trump said he does not believe the 1908 treaty that sets the border between canada and the u.s. is valid, and he wants to revise the boundary. i mean, is there any reason to believe that the established border isn't valid? >> look.

>> i'm not i'm not a border expert or a legal expert in north american legal kind of treaties and arrangements. but my understanding is that the border was established in 1908. perhaps the president has heard of a theory that he likes. perhaps he's just trying to throw everything at the canadian government, canadian officials, as a as an effort to destabilize them. i obviously can't can't sort of decipher his motives. what i do know, however, is that according to four people with direct knowledge of the phone call, he did mention the border treaty. he also mentioned the way the two countries share water bodies. we do know that the president is quite interested in canadian water, what he sees as canada having sort of too much water. and, you know, the united states should have more because there are water challenges in the u.s. and so, according to my sources, these are part of the reason that the canadian government, as well as, frankly, the opposition and broader society are starting to take this deadly seriously and really actually get quite

upset when you dismiss it as a joke or as something ridiculous. >> look, justin trudeau, who has a rocky relationship with donald trump, he's soon going to step down as prime minister. do you think new leadership could change the currently strained relationship between the two countries? >> i could see some of this being sort of personal, but the president, i mean, he's been very consistent. and top white house officials have asked canadian leaders, not just trudeau but others, to take him at his word. in fact, like frankly, that's generally the advice people get. listen to what president trump says. take him at his word. and so while there may be bad chemistry, and while there may be some extra spice there from the white house because president trump doesn't like prime minister trudeau, allegedly, i'm not privy to their relationship. it's hard to believe that he's doubling down on this when, i mean, frankly, trudeau is in his last 48 hours in power, and these are the ideas that the president is bringing into the revision, the

revising of the relationship with canada. it's also hard to see why he would concede points to a new leader in canada, and we really won't know who it is. we're in a year where we could end up having three prime ministers in canada, so it's a uniquely tumultuous moment. >> okay. martina stavisky. it's very good to talk with you. we'll see you again, no doubt, given what you were just alleging to. thank you. now for breaking news. staying in canada. in fact, toronto police are searching for three potentially armed men involved in a mass shooting at a pub. at least 12 people were injured in the attack as the bar was celebrating its opening night. joining me now for more on the situation. nbc's maya eaglin. so, maya, do officials have an idea for the motive behind this? do we know the severity of the injuries of anyone who was hurt? >> no clues on the motive just yet, alex. but this all happened. officials are telling us right before 11 p.m. friday night, last night at the pipe arms pub. you mentioned it just opened. and officials say three masked men entered this business

and started. >> shooting randomly. >> one of them had a rifle. the other two, we're hearing had handguns. police said 12 people were injured. they were all taken to the hospital. six of those 12 were actually struck by gunfire. but we're hearing that there were no fatalities in this incident. those three shooters are still at large. let's take a listen to toronto's police superintendent, paul mcintyre, who spoke at that presser earlier this morning. >> three males entered the pub just before 1040. one male was armed with what appears to be an assault rifle. the other two males were armed with handguns and they walked into the bar. they produced their guns and they opened fire indiscriminately on the people sitting inside the restaurant, inside the bar, myself and the other officers that watched the video, we are horrified by it. we've seen a lot of shootings over the years, a lot of video, and you get a nerve to it to a certain extent. but tonight,

shooting these guys just looked at the crowd and opened and opened fire. it was horrible. >> we're hearing that this was a very chaotic scene. there was broken glass everywhere. there was blood. people were running around trying to duck for cover. some people went to the basement and this all happened in scarborough city. but we're still keeping an eye on for what the motive is and if and when those suspects will be found. alex. >> okay, maya, thanks for keeping a watch on it. what the governor of california did this week that surprised many. i'm going to talk about it later this hour with former new york city mayor bill de blasio. but we're back in 90s. >> work, play. blink. >> relief work, play. blink. >> relief work, play. blink. relief. the only -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week and buy a winning lottery ticket. -can i come? -only room for one.

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the president just said there sounds pretty ominous and imminent. how do you interpret the final moments of what? >> yeah. >> i think what president trump was referring to there is that iran is getting very close to having the capability to build nuclear weapons. our reporting is that they probably have the capacity to create about six weapons in the near future. this is in part because if you remember, during president trump's first term. he tore up the iran nuclear deal that was signed by barack obama, his predecessor in that. since that time, iran has, you know, increased their capacity significantly. and, you know, i do think now that, you know, donald trump is trying to force them back to the table. he had predicted in his first term that they would come crawling back

and, you know, beg the united states to strike a deal again. of course, iran did not do that. and so now we're in this situation where, you know, he fears they're getting very close to developing a nuclear weapon. >> are circumstances then different now? i mean, what is it that would entice tehran back to the table? >> well, they are in a somewhat weakened geopolitical position. their allies, hezbollah and hamas, have been weakened tremendously. israel took out some of their air defense systems that protect some some key targets in iran that could be hit by an israeli airstrike. so there are there's a moving geopolitical. landwerk or. framework here. and that could perhaps in trump's thinking,

make iran open to a deal. the problem is that donald trump, if he does want to make a deal with iran, he's put these maximum sanctions back on them. they say as long as those those sanctions are there, they're not going to talk. you know that, you know, now russia's involving itself saying they want to mediate this deal. and i do think one thing we should think about is, is one of trump's overarching impulses is he really wants to win a nobel prize. and, you know, so he's trying to strike a deal to end the war in ukraine, to end the war in gaza. and now a deal with iran. and so he's he's trying to push on all these fronts at the same time. >> one hiccup, iran told the un it hasn't received any letter. so based on that, is there any way to predict what's going to happen? >> yeah. it's very they told us the same thing. you know, we put in the story yesterday. they

hadn't received it yet. but you know, we do know from multiple sources that this letter does exist. i'm not sure why it hasn't made its way to iran yet. you know, the president said on tv he had sent it. we understand it may have gone through the swiss to iran, but, you know, i would expect them to get it in short order. based on what? based on what our reporting is showing it does. you know, it does lay out as, as the president described, basically this carrot and the stick approach where he's actually threatening military strikes against iran if they don't come and make a deal. so, you know, that's really bellicose rhetoric is probably scary rhetoric to a lot of people. but that that was what the president said. >> yeah. my reaction is buckle up. okay. luke broadwater, thank you so much. good to see you. keeping their mouth shut, the first sentence of this article says the silence grows louder every day. the impact of trump every day. the impact of trump critics hiding in the dark.

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for ordinary. get yours today at jack archer.com/tv. >> there is so much to talk about tonight. there is so much to cover. we also see voters imploring democrats and you specifically to fight harder. what can you tell voters tonight who say you could be doing more than you're doing? can you tell us what's going on in the senate right now? do you know what the d.o.j. group was trying to access at social security that would have caused the administrator to resign? right now, in our time today. the unpopularity of what they're doing really does create real political pressure at the source to stop it, to at least slow him down. >> where's the dignity in all of what he's doing? where's the dignity? a person who's working. you have children in school. you may have someone that you're a caregiver for, and you receive a letter indicating that you are no longer going to have the job that is so important to you and the many people who depend on you. it seems to me that there is no due process in this, but due process is one thing.

another thing is just the dignity and the humanity. >> democratic congressman al green there, reacting to mass layoffs and cuts in the federal government. green was censured by the house this week for disrupting trump's joint address to congress. and joining me now, we have our friend tim miller, msnbc political analyst and host of the bulwark podcast. tim, is that what the democrats should be focusing on right now, lest the illegality, the abuse of power and more just the cruelty and rash nature of these cuts. are they effectively getting their message out to americans? >> yeah, well, i think they need to do all of it, you know, and you could always use more. i think probably the most effective thing to do is to talk about the human cost. of this. right. like the real stories of veterans who are losing their job indiscriminately. you know, people that are losing, people that really need it, that are losing access to government services or cutting down or

cutting, getting social security offices around the country that people call into, and they have problems getting their checks right. like, i think focusing on these real world examples is probably the best. but to be honest, alex, like we are 19, 20 months away from the midterm elections. i think that the democrats really shouldn't be totally preoccupied with what is the best possible political message right now, and be focused more on just raising as creating as much noise as possible about the damage that is being wrought by elon musk's. as you mentioned, illegal actions as an unelected autocrat. >> you are exactly echoing the sentiments of another analyst to head on in the last hour who said the same thing. trump, though, is going after law firms that represented his political enemies. this week, he signed an executive order hitting the firm that represented hillary clinton's campaign in the dnc in 2016. he also went after the firm representing special counsel jack smith. is

retribution his priority and if so, tim will. issues like the economy and cost of living, are they going to suffer from a lack of focus? >> yeah, i'm glad you brought this story up because this is one of those examples. this is just a shocking abuse of power. obviously, d.c. law firms are not going to be the most sympathetic victims here of donald trump. and like the most effective, you know, people to put forth during a political campaign. but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a focus on it. i mean, it is absolutely outrageous that a law firm would be targeted by the federal government for doing its job, which is, you know, defending clients. the ripple effects of this are real there. the other thing is, there are only certain number of law firms that i know. it feels like there are a lot of lawyers in d.c. and there are, but there really are only a certain number of law firms that can take on especially sensitive cases. right. and so if the federal government continues to go after, you know, people on jack smith's team go after people from the mueller

investigation. et cetera there. it's going to be hard for them to find counsel that has the experience. et cetera. to be able to represent them if trump's going after these law firms. so i think it's a major story. and yes, i also do think that it's distracting the administration from what would probably be a more prudent use of their time on the economy. >> and let me remind our viewers that trump was asked in a debate if he will seek retribution against his political enemies. and he said, quote, my retribution is going to be my success. is that what we've seen so far, or has it been a lot of retribution? >> no, we've seen mostly him focusing on retribution and, you know, culture wars and advancing kind of the silly agenda items of changing the names of bodies of water. et cetera. look, the economy i from the start, was deeply skeptical of trump's economic agenda. i think it was undercover during the campaign. i think it was very obvious that it was going to be disruptive to

the country and probably inflationary. but even i am shocked that like six weeks in, the damage that has been done to, you know, the loss of jobs, as we mentioned, from federal government workers, but then the ripple effects of the people in those communities that are going to be harmed. and then on top of that, we've seen the stock market crashing. consumer confidence is way down. the fed's estimates for our gdp growth is way down. there are real storm clouds on the horizon. i know it's felt longer, but he's only been in there six weeks. it's been really kind of an astonishing, you know, amount of economic failure already from the first month and a half of his presidency. >> so the new york times has a new report on those who used to speak out against trump but are now silent, fearing retribution from trump and musk. one prominent first term critic of trump said he wouldn't comment on the record and in fact didn't want to be mentioned in this article at all. is the administration is this one better at intimidation than it was in the first trump term, and if so, how and why?

>> i think people assess that the people around trump are more willing to go after foes. you know, i think that there was a sense during the first term that, like, trump might tweet at you and that might cause, you know, harm to you. you know, you might get bullied by people on the internet. there might be death threats against you. but, you know, a lot of the folks that were in the agencies weren't really going to use their power to go after people. there were some exceptions. this time, it feels like the entire administration is on board with the retribution agenda, from the doj to kash patel's fbi. and i think that does have a lot of people scared. i will say this though. i don't really like the priest surrender at all. i don't like that this narrative is out there. they haven't really successfully targeted anybody yet. this is not russia's putin's russia yet. people still have to process this guy that is the district attorney, ed martin, who's been, you know, sending off letters to people. you know, he sent off a letter to congressmen who said, i don't care what you say. he sent a letter to georgetown. georgetown

said, no, i'm not going to follow it. he tried he tried to get somebody a grand jury together. i forget who it was that he was targeting. and the grand jury said, no, you don't have evidence to prosecute this person. so, you know, for them to actually go after you, there are still rules. there's still the rule of law in this country. and i think it's unfortunate that people are backing down, you know, before the fight is even really begun. >> so quickly. tim, to what extent do you think the courts are providing a check on his power? and will that last? >> some, some, i think we've seen it. and people are very upset at justice barrett right now on the maga right about her ruling regarding the usaid funds that that had to be paid out. and, you know, we've obviously seen some district courts already. >> spent, by the way. >> yeah, right. sure. i mean, it was a cut and dry clays. it's kind of crazy. it was only 5 to 4. but even still, you know, so far so good on on checks from the courts. we'll see how it plays out. >> okay. we'll have you back soon my friend. thank you, tim miller. thanks. doge drama. what the president had to say about a the president had to say about a clash over the actions of oooh! beak's up!

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>> president donald trump with a new threat to canada, saying the us may place reciprocal tariffs on canada soon floating a possible 250% tax on dairy products. while the wall street journal reports the justice department is investigating what caused egg prices to rise. joining me now, congressman jimmy gomez, democrat from california and a member of the ways and means committee. congressman, welcome back to the

show. and you are also a member of the dads caucus. and you've been pushing for action on the rising eggs, the grocery prices. what are your thoughts today as a new tax on canadian dairy products? 250% is looming? >> well, well, i do a lot of the shopping in my family. i go with my wife and my son, and we see the prices going up and up and up, and our savings going down and down and down. americans are struggling when it comes to the cost of eggs, when it comes to the cost of dairy, when it comes to the cost of bread. so these tariffs are just going to make everything worse. and unfortunately, this administration donald trump, secretary benson, they really don't care that it's going to hurt american people that the working class is going to hurt. i call this the let them eat cake administration because it's made up of billionaires that are out of touch with the struggles of everyday americans. >> okay, that's, of course, reflecting the french revolution language. so can a doj investigation help reduce egg

prices? and how much more can the trump administration do if bird flu is mostly to blame? >> well, one of the things that they can start doing is really hiring back the people that were studying the bird flu, trying to develop a strategy to deal with it, and then at the same time, digging into to that issue, the doj. fine, go ahead and investigate. but i think that's just a red herring, no pun intended, that they're trying to distract the american people, that they're actually not doing anything about egg prices. since he got in office, three egg prices have increased 33%, 33%, and it's only getting worse. and remember, he said on day one, he would lower costs for everyone, especially on groceries. >> yeah. also new to discuss this week the doj's drama, a clash in the oval office over elon musk's unilateral cuts, and nbc's gabe gutierrez posed a direct question to the president

about it. and here's part of his report. take a listen. >> some details. >> have come out about. >> your. >> cabinet meeting. >> with elon musk and some clashes, potentially between secretary rubio and secretary duffy. >> well, i was there. you're just a troublemaker, and you're not supposed to be asking that question because we're talking about the world cup. elon gets along great with marco and they're both doing a fantastic job. >> but the two sources. >> say rubio. and duffy. did push back on musk, accusing him of firing their employees without any consideration for whether letting them go was a good idea. >> so we heard donald trump say what happened? but a number of people suggest otherwise. does the level of frustration inside that cabinet, as reported surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me, but i want to be very clear. i think donald trump one day is going to toss elon musk to the side, because right now, elon suits his purpose, right? cut as much as you can from the federal workforce. don't give they don't

give a damn about it. and then what he's going to do when it starts dragging down his poll numbers, he's going to say, i didn't do it. it was all elon musk. and but at the same time, those tensions, i'm not surprised because, remember, marco rubio was a more of a traditional republican until he got into that, into that cabinet. this is the guy that also authored legislation to prevent nato from the president from withdrawing from nato without a two thirds vote from the senate. and then he said quietly, when basically donald trump and elon musk and all these folks are not only attacking ukraine, but also questioning our alliance to nato. so i'm not surprised there's that tension. but don't let it distract when elon musk is has done, his purpose is done, and trump doesn't need him anymore. he's going to get rid of him. he's going to blame elon for everything that's been done. >> we'll see. the department of homeland security wants to use irs records to track down

700,000 undocumented immigrants who pay state and federal taxes, and some advocates suggest immigrants may stop paying their taxes. what are you hearing about this from your constituents out there in los angeles? >> yeah, there is a real fear on this. and that comes back from the fact that folks at doge were trying to get their hands on the treasury pay payroll system, payment system, as well as the irs system. so we knew that they were going to go in this direction because these folks, nothing is off limits. even though giving up tax information is a violation of a section called section 6103 f, and because tax information is so sensitive. but if they can get your information, an individual's information that they think is undocumented, they can also get yours. and remember this. this administration has been butchering and screwing up anything that they've gotten their hands on from these departments. that's why they fired. don't forget, they fired

people that were in charge of making sure our nuclear weapons were secure. they fired people that were meant to track down and investigate the bird flu to combat that. so do we trust them that they're going to actually only focus on undocumented immigrants? no. i have no doubt that they're going to make this even worse. so you're going to not only lose out on tax money, but you're also going to probably violate citizen and legal residents information and put them at risk and their money at risk. >> yeah. okay. california congressman jimmy gomez, thank you for your time with us. appreciate that. former new york city mayor bill de blasio joins me next to talk about sanctuary cities and the charges eric cities and the charges eric adams is dry eyes still feel gritty, rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ miebo is the only prescription dry eye drop that forms a protective layer for the number one cause of dry eye: too much tear evaporation. for relief that's ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪

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>> i want to meet this guy. >> yeah, i. >> actually he's coming to. >> a turning. >> point event this summer. >> tampa. >> florida. student action summit. >> i actually. >> by the. >> way. >> if you should. >> be concerned. >> but let. me say here. >> here is why i'm concerned, because you. >> have expressed. >> that i should be concerned, as a. democrat that we're getting. >> we're getting clobbered. yes. >> that you you've figured something out. >> it's not me. >> the president first. >> deserves the credit. >> so during the interview, newsom also saying it was, quote, deeply unfair for transgender women to compete in women's sports. joining me now, we have former mayor of new york city and 2020 presidential candidate bill de blasio. nice to see you. so i'm curious how you would define newsom's strategy. and is it what democrats need right now? >> you know, the first thing i want to say is, i. >> think when. >> it comes. >> to the. >> issues about the trans. >> community, i. think as a parent. >> i wish all. >> americans would think as parents. >> if anyone. >> has a child who. >> feels their identification is

not who they really are, and they're. >> struggling with that. >> which often means they're dealing with real challenges. >> mental health. >> challenges, and other things because they aren't feeling right about themselves. i mean, we should just start with respect and empathy for each person's choice of identity or need to have the identity they are. that being said, you know, i'm not afraid of the conversation that gavin newsom is raising because i get why. for a lot of people. >> you know, youth. >> athletics, my kids were in. >> youth life. >> and i. >> get why people. >> might feel. there's something unfair there. and i think as democrats and as progressives, we should just talk about it openly and not be afraid of the conversation. so newsom is clearly positioning himself, and he's doing it. >> in a. >> way that's a little transparent, i'd say, but i don't think it's wrongheaded of him to say, hey, a lot of people are struggling with this issue, and he wants to reach out a hand to them. >> how about are you satisfied with how democrats are responding to the trump administration's moves to upend

the federal government as we know it? >> look. >> i think democrats need to fight back, and it's not happening right now. it's strange to me. you know, it's not just a contrast from 2017 and the immediate amazing response to trump's election that we saw then versus now. i think it's deeper than that. i think democrats don't understand how to interpret this election, which was extremely close, by the way, could have been won. let's be clear. i think this is the first thing to say the 2024 election could have been won by the democrats presidential level. clearly, the house could have been won. so this was not some huge national repudiation. i think we need to go back to the kitchen table. progressive economic issues that were always the core of this party and bluntly get away from the elitism, get away from the coastal elitism that screwed us up in the blue wall states, and realize that people who turned against democratic party, who had voted for it in the past,

were seeing something authentic. they felt democrats weren't speaking to them anymore. and that's something we can fix. >> we have democratic mayors from new york, boston, chicago, and i think it was just in new york city, denver. denver was the other one, sorry. and they were hammered by republicans on capitol hill this week over their so-called sanctuary city policies, which the mayors defended. take a listen to this. all of the mayors here. >> today are actively. >> working to harm the. >> american people you represent. >> you all have blood. to decid. >> who comes into our country. and where. >> they go after that. >> our job is. >> to keep people fed and healthy and safe when they. arrive in our city. >> and we. >> do that in order to make sure that. everyone across. >> our community. >> is safe. >> resources are strained. >> but i would. >> ask you. >> to please do your. >> job and. >> be part. >> of passing bipartisan. legislation that would allow. >> us to do.

>> we did. we did. we passed. >> h.r. two. >> but what we've made. >> it, it's been. >> made very clear, is that we. >> don't need. >> to pass laws. all we need is. >> a. >> new. >> president. >> our sanctuary city policies. really the problem here? >> i just have to first say every right winger who talks about blood on their hands should look at their own hands. you know, how many, how many children have died overseas because usaid was cut? i mean, come on, this is this is a really sad device when that becomes the way that people try to point their finger. but that said, the whole sanctuary city reality, i think i would say this is a place where democrats and progressives, myself included, missed an opportunity years ago to define this better. you know, in new york city, this is really important, alex. in new york city, the basic concept around how to approach undocumented folks goes back, actually to the ed koch administration and continued through, you guessed it, the administration of rudy giuliani,

that the nypd and all city agencies do not ask documentation status. why? because we have almost half a million undocumented people in new york city that are part of our lives, our community's lifeblood of our economy. and so if you start asking documentation status, people are going to hide. people are not going to talk to the police. they're not going to come forward to say they're witnesses to crime or report crimes. so the regardless of ideology, new york city leaders and the nypd leadership decided decades ago that that was not going to be something new york city did. somehow that got turned into some parody. and i think the word sanctuary city actually misrepresents a lot of the reality. and instead of it being recognized as actually part of a public safety strategy, which is what it is, it got turned into this kind of image of a liberal wonderland and bleeding heart in one way or another. i think it's another case where democrats should, you know, own what we're trying to do, which is to keep people safe, but also be comfortable saying our own team did kind of screw up the border

situation during the biden administration. and i don't blame take a typical american swing voter who saw disorder at the border, and they saw a president that they thought might be losing his capacity. i don't blame people for being frustrated with that, and we didn't answer it. so why are we surprised that people took a, you know, took it that out on us in an election that said, i don't think the american people want mass deportations. i think what we're seeing a lot of public opinion research that shows they don't want schools and churches invaded by ice agents. you know, i think most americans are very compassionate to the dreamers, for example, and they don't want to see the economy collapse, which is what would happen if, in fact, trump ever really proceeded with mass deportation. >> mayor bill de blasio, it's always good to speak with you. come see me again. safe travels. i think you're on the other coast. so thank you again for joining us. long distance. >> thank you. >> and let's give you one quick last look at the breaking news

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