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>> we begin with a story that has really striking revelations, and it's from inside the trump cabinet meeting. and this is something where we're going to learn a lot in the next couple of moments. you may have heard a little bit about it, but i'm going to go through the evidence, the facts here, because it is exactly what this trump white house and a lot of what elon musk is up to. it paints a picture of it in a way that's different from what we've heard in public, from all of the usual pr and the political press conferences and the efforts to tell a certain story. we're now going to go tonight together behind the scenes. this is reporting that shows what many would call a dysfunctional white house. and you'll see why people at war with themselves and each other over the efforts to basically dismantle large parts of the federal government by someone who doesn't run the federal government, wasn't

elected to the position. elon musk and clashing with the very people who, of course, the president also picked to be in charge of these departments. and we often draw on different reporting around here. you know that from watching the news, right? we mentioned different stories. this is from the new york times. credit to their reporters, their journalists getting the story out. and it is a bombshell. the times reports that musk basically ended up in a clash, a conflict with much of the cabinet. that was thursday this week and laced into these other officials, some of whom are important, right? if you're picked to run the state department, you are pretty important official within the government. and just to put it clearly, we are talking right now about an unelected billionaire sitting in on these important meetings and going at people in very intense terms. and the substance matters as well as, quite frankly, the emotion and the gossip of this, because it's all part of how this government is being run. musk going at secretary of state

rubio, according to the new york times, basically saying that rubio was not firing anybody, quote, you have fired nobody on. rubio responds. what about the more than 1500 state department officials who took early retirement and buyouts? didn't they count as layoffs? rubio asking then sarcastically, if musk wanted him to rehire all those people just so he could make a show of firing them again, these are two people at odds over the department that rubio runs, and the subtext there is about who is being honest or accurate and who is just trying to put on a show. musk, then the times reports, was, quote, unimpressed and told rubio, actually he was the show that he was, quote, good on tv. the subtext, the times says, being that he was not good for much else. and let's be clear, both of these men have risen in their careers through some aspect of public show. rubio ran

for president. musk was on the campaign trail. he's made himself into a big deal out in public. but that's how they deride each other in private. basically saying you're not for real. no, you're not for real. no. you just do it on tv. here we are talking about it on tv now. the times reports the meeting was actually hastily scheduled because trump's cabinet members. again, the most important people he's picked to run the agencies had reached a kind of breaking point about what they call elon musk's chainsaw approach here to the cuts. and the meeting was in the cabinet room. the president was presiding, 20 officials attending, then the veterans affairs secretary, doug collins, using this opportunity to go after the way musk has fired veterans and officials who work at the va. we heard from one this week, for example. and what's interesting here is you're going to see is the dissent. the concern is internal. it's not just people protesting or people who've been ousted from the government. this is trump's pick for the va, saying musk should not wield a blunt instrument and cleave off everyone from veterans affairs.

they need to be strategic. then you have sean duffy, who runs transportation, also going at musk. what am i supposed to do? mr. duffy says, according to the times report here, i have multiple plane crashes to deal with now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers. the question kind of makes the argument that that sounds absurd, dangerous, even. and musk then responds to that logical sounding question and says, well, duffy's basically a liar. quote, mr. musk told mr. duffy his assertion was a lie. and throughout all of this, the times reports that a president who, of course, used to do pretend board room meetings on his reality show, trump sat back in his chair, arms folded as if he were watching a tennis match. the meeting ended. trump said that he does support musk's ongoing cuts, but that cabinet members are supposed to run their agencies. and he said

something that is actually a restoration of what the rules are supposed to be, and it is a sign of dysfunction. and many experts would say failure, that the president, with all his power, had to say this out loud. i really want to emphasize this because it's extraordinary reporting. that's why we're leaving it up on the screen. the times with quite a scoop here. quote from now on, trump said the secretaries would be in charge. the musk team would only advise translation. that is a demotion for elon musk. and it wasn't musk's only problem. on thursday, he was demoted back to the norm. that's a word that some folks in tech and in maga world say is a bad thing. all norms are bad. they want to disrupt everything. but of course it is only functional that the people pick to run the pentagon or the state department would actually run it and not be overruled, as apparently they were concerned they were being about core matters of safety or staffing by this billionaire guy who goes to the meetings. now while in washington. we should note adding to sort of the

intensity of all this, an unmanned rocket launched by musk's company while he was in dc, it exploded right outside the skies of the southern united states. the spectacular light show that you see here, which is all sort of visually mesmerizing, is a product of that spacex problem of falling rocket debris launched from the southern tip of texas around 630. it was a test flight 8.5 minutes up there, six engines, all six of them cut out. the rocket was spinning, all communications was lost. and again, these are part of both the extraordinary business results, but also business problems that musk oversees. all of this strangely kind of related and right in our faces, you're seeing because this was also debated in the cabinet meeting, according to the times, with musk invoking his business approach as a kind of inarguable reason that he can't be questioned in government space. we should note, said the rocket

experienced, after all, that a rapid unscheduled disassembly. >> falling debris. >> from a. >> failed rocket launch. >> we've lost several engines. >> lloyd austin confusion. >> across south florida. >> wow. >> what is all that. stuff sparkling. >> around it? the fiery. >> debris. grounding flights. >> at south florida airport. >> glitter like just like spread out and low. >> very low. >> two back. >> to back. >> failures of this starship rocket. >> rapid unscheduled disassembly is kind of elon musk's specialty these days. >> this comes two months after a january test. that was before president trump took office that musk related rocket exploding over the caribbean. the faa investigating that incident, and it says today it will be grounding the rocket until spacex completes an investigation of thursday's incident. now, again, sometimes my job is to just state the

facts and sometimes the facts are obvious. the big difference between the january explosion and this new one, elon musk is now acting like he runs some of these agencies. it had to be clarified and stated in an unusual, many say, dysfunctional meeting that he doesn't run these agencies. he is working in the white house. he's trying to influence and control the faa, the state department, all these other agencies that we've pointed out he has conflicts with. he lied. just i'm just going to call it what it is. when he said in the fox news interview that he would be recusing himself anywhere, that there was a conflict, he's not doing that. we don't have a written or announced recusal on many of these topics. so this goes beyond just being abnormal. we are talking about what trump cabinet secretaries view as dangerous, according to the new york times account, what they warn is the wrong way to cut government, even though many of these people are on the side of a smaller federal government. the wrong way to cut staffing. what could be dangerous? they're talking about the risks of air

travel and flights and safety. and they're saying elon musk is wrong. and according to the new york times account, he and trump who made these decisions to give him this much power, are so wrong that the president is now saying, wait, trump is somewhat in charge, musk is somewhat less in charge, and the agency heads will actually run their agencies in this white house. that could change again, but that's what the times counts. that's what the times account says. meanwhile, some trump critics are also just muzzling themselves, fearing retribution in this semi dysfunctional environment, a kind of chill spreading over political debate in washington, the times notes, with some intimidated by the prospect of being attacked online by trump and elon musk, concerned about harm to their companies, frightened for the safety of their families. and again, we are talking about a government that has come back into power after a violent insurrection and on the first day pardoned people who used violence. so those online attacks can put targets on people's very literal backs and affect their families. and the

history of violence, the support of violence, the pardoning of people who attacked police. that's all just in the background noise of how this stuff works. now, the president, though, does still want to be out there talking to people, just not people who will test him or ask him factual questions. maybe. so he's going for the adulation he gets from right wing media. >> reengage in russia, in. >> diplomatic relations. >> something that previous leaders lacked. >> the. >> conviction to do. so what gave you the moral courage and. >> conviction to. >> step forward and lead that? >> well, i love this guy. >> did you ever. >> imagine that you would. >> be press. >> secretary to. >> such a dynamic president? >> the harvard poll that came out had you up nine. >> plus points and all of your agenda that you ran on. you're accomplishing that. you've got the support of the american people, including stopping the war in ukraine. if you can comment on the latest harvard. >> poll just came. >> in. >> somebody said, i said this was sent in by a fan. i know him well. he's sort of a stiff. i said, brian, you're not a stiff. you're sort of a stiff.

>> always say y to. the president. >> meanwhile, the president is also trying to intimidate those who don't play along. and you can see clearly there what he thinks press or journalism should look like. i mean, he just wants it to be promotional, sneaking, a kind of a trump advertisement into these questions from people who are perhaps paying to play in various ways, or at least get in the red hat out of it. but donald trump's fcc is calling for probes or beginning probes of top news outlets. and we can mention that includes our sister channel, nbc, as well as these other outlets, npr and pbs tied to government funding, where there might be more leverage if it is abused. tech ceos and media moguls who once criticized trump have gotten the message shown up at the inauguration. as we saw jeff bezos there turning the washington post into a totally different direction, pulling its endorsement planned for harris, changing its opinion policy now to celebrate only

personal liberties and free markets. these are drastic changes. all of this in the context of what i just told you today, this reporting. why do we know about what happened inside the cabinet room? why do we know more than the public claims of politicians that were just saying, everything's going great and we're cutting the government in a great way, and it's all perfect. why do we know what we know tonight about what actually happened in that cabinet room, about those differences between rubio and musk and the concern about air traffic safety, which is not and should not be a partizan or political issue. it's certainly something where any sane american would want the safest skies we can get with the cooperation of the federal government that we taxpayers fund. why do we know about that? because the new york times had the journalists to go in there and do the job. we need journalists like that, just like we need science, just like we need facts at a time like this. even as jeff bezos takes one of the only other big papers like the times, the washington post, and twists it. and i say that

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trump administration's department of justice. >> the administration. >> doesn't necessarily. >> want to be questioned on. >> any of its policy. >> main justice. new episodes drop every tuesday. >> on a night where we are drawing a lot of information from journalistic reporting, we are joined by, if i may, one of the living legends of journalism, marty baron, served as executive editor of the washington post from 2013 to 2021, including working under jeff bezos's leadership. his recent atlantic article discusses what went wrong recently with jeff bezos. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. i want to ask all about that. and i mentioned to the audience your experience there, but first, your reaction to what i mentioned is the journalistic reporting about what happened in that cabinet room. and what does that tell us about how this new administration is functioning? >> well, as you pointed out, we need reporting like that. the new york times did a great job with that story. i think we need

revelatory reporting. i should say that the washington post itself is doing a lot of revelatory reporting as well, despite my complaints about the direction under jeff bezos most recently, day in and day out, they're doing great work. but look, i mean, there's a lot to know about what's happening in this administration. the press has an absolute obligation to find that out and to reveal that to the american public and tell them what they need to know and what they deserve to know. >> when you ran the post, of course, your full time focus is being a student of and learning about power. what do you see in the power dynamics in that room? and as i mentioned, what does it tell you that a sitting president about seven weeks in then has to say, hey, the agency chiefs will run the agencies, not this billionaire. >> well, we saw a lot of this the first time around with with trump as well. it was sort of a chaotic administration. the people who were there had never worked with each other before. but now we see something

different. clearly. musk has been given, at least up until this point, enormous power, far more power than the cabinet secretaries. and clearly they thought they had an important job. they thought they had authority over their own agencies. and they quickly discovered that, in fact, they didn't have nearly as much authority or if any authority really, over their agencies. >> yeah. which is which is striking and certainly unusual weather. weather that, according to government experts, is any kind of functional way to run. it is sort of a results question. it's also certainly not the what the constitution imagines because the cabinet secretaries, as you know, and i think viewers have seen, are subject to congressional oversight going under oath. those hearings. but what does that matter if they're a stand in, as you say, for someone else making the big decisions? there was an exchange about this with the president and gabe gutierrez here today. take a look. >> mr. president, since you last. >> spoke about it yesterday. >> some details have come out about your cabinet meeting with elon musk and some clashes

potentially between secretary rubio and secretary duffy. >> i was there. you're just a troublemaker. and you're not supposed to be asking that question, because we're talking about the world cup. but elon gets along great with marco and they're both doing a fantastic job. there is no clash. >> mr. president who bottom. >> line. >> were you with? who are you with? >> nbc. >> no wonder, mr. president. >> nbc has more authority. elon musk. >> or your cabinet secretaries. >> any other questions? >> what do you see there? >> well, it's part of a pattern. you've got a president who not only tells wants to dictate, who asks him a question, asks him questions, but what questions are appropriate to even ask? you know, that's a that's a president who really does not respect an independent press, which is provided for in the constitution of this country, who does not really respect free expression. look, i mean, the job of the press is to ask the president questions. in this instance, he is the most

powerful person in the world. he has an enormous impact on the lives of ordinary people, and it's entirely appropriate for a reporter to be asking what happened in that meeting. and as is often the case, trump merely denied the actual facts and claims that things are fake news, when in fact, we later learned that they're entirely true. >> yeah, right. and you're kind of speaking about the baseline principle here because it's part of to account. which brings us back to what i, what i did promise we would get to. and i think i've reasonably plenty of people are interested in your tenure. you wrote about it in the atlantic. you worked under the bezos leadership in a different era, and you were quite direct about what you think has gone wrong and the mistakes he's making. now, tell us what you think of what jeff bezos is doing now with that paper that you once ran. >> well, i've been very concerned about the direction of late starting actually, just prior to the election last year,

the he made the decision not to run a presidential endorsement for the first time. well, it had been a tradition for almost 50 years at the washington post. there was only one exception. when they didn't provide a presidential endorsement that was announced only 11 days before, 11 days before the election. i said then that i thought it represented cowardice. it was a sign of fear about reprisals on the part of donald trump. donald trump had said for a long period of time during the campaign that he was going to seek vengeance, retribution against his political enemies. and i think that jeff bezos feared that kind of retribution against his other commercial interests, particularly amazon, with its cloud computing, cloud computing services and blue origin, which is in the commercial space area, competing with, of all people, elon musk. subsequent to that, you know, amazon made $1 million donation to the inauguration. he then made a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago to have a late night

dinner with donald trump. during that dinner, he had a long discussion with or some sort of discussion with melania trump about this so-called documentary that she was planning to have made about her life. and shortly after that, within two weeks, amazon made an offer for that, for that so-called documentary of $40 million, which was about almost three times the next highest bid, which was really extraordinary. and then, of course, jeff bezos appeared on the dais during the inauguration shortly after saying, after talking about the lack of a presidential endorsement, saying all of us need to work harder to establish our credibility. well, that did nothing for the credibility of the washington post, and it certainly did not signal the independence of the washington post. it signaled the dependance of the washington post. and then most recently, he's indicated that the opinion pages, the opinion section in print and online would reflect his own ideology. his ideology of how he described it was

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dealing with, and it affects a lot of people's lives and jobs tonight is how that show crumbles. at trump's own chosen battles. he is surrendering right now as president in his promised trade war. caving on the tariffs he threatened, vowed and then very briefly started. he's reversing himself because of reality. the show, the braveheart, the movie, the imagery, all of that may work some of the time on some of the people who want to believe what he says. but now there's been a reality check in the markets and from the public, and trump is basically backing down on the new promised tariffs across north america. he says for at least a month, but it might be forever. it's the opposite of what he, in braveheart mode, said he would do at the start of this very week. >> on the tariffs. is there any room left for canada and mexico to make a deal before. >> midnight. >> and should we. >> expect those chinese tariffs, the extra 10%. >> to. >> take no room left for mexico

or for canada? no. the tariffs, you know, they're all set. they go into effect tomorrow. >> that's it. except it's not. he has backed down in the opposite form that he started the week. but again this is not a movie. there are real people's lives, real jobs, real impacts. even if it's a short, sort of wasted set of time. and it's a turnaround, a withdrawal, a surrender, if you will, so abrupt that many experts and consumers and business owners are reeling. >> the tariff hokey pokey. >> as one. >> viewer says. >> roller coaster. >> president trump has flipped. >> on tariffs again. >> mexico will not be required to pay tariffs on anything that falls under the usmca. >> the market. >> is. obviously not calming down, even with the recent. >> announcement literally just. >> minutes ago that tariffs. >> had been paused. >> look. >> this is all stuff. >> that's happening literally in the last. >> couple of hours. >> of pause on. >> tariffs for. >> one month. >> essentially leaves. this in

limbo. >> it is. >> fast moving. >> the limbo, the fast moving problems are crashing the actual markets. this is just the dow jones 1 to 1 indicator. but there's wider pessimism about what it means to have a trump term, which according to the current plan, of course, runs about four years. and so the folks who saw this from a sort of low, lower taxes, conservative prism, the wall street folks and others are now really concerned about more than just tariffs and that lost market value. i showed you the economist is a right of center international magazine. and it shows trump basically with the gas setting fire to money or the american dollar or the global economy. and trump allies admit americans are getting hurt. here's one of the members of leadership top three in the gop house. >> the american public. >> may. >> ultimately have to actually. >> pay more.

>> for that rather than less. >> andrew. >> i'm not disputing that there may be some. >> short time. disruption that's. >> going to result in some negative. >> impacts, no question. >> disruption. negative impacts. always be careful. i told you this earlier this week when elites who have a lot of power or money or both start melting down and not using english, because what we're talking about is your prices going up, your job picture going down, and a bunch of government cuts in between that. we've also cut, which i mean, we've also covered that are part of what's affecting people. so i can show you employers are seeing the highest layoff levels since the 2020 pandemic. so this is the baseline reality i mentioned. and it is relevant that donald trump may see this as a show, because it explains why he's putting certain priorities above your welfare, or he may not care about the short term loss of all of that economic value and the

small businesses affected. if he wanted to say on monday he was starting a trade war, even if by thursday he's backing down. but when you look at the broader plans which america and the world are going to live with for however many years we go through here, four years of the trump term, we had a speech to congress that did not actually make proposals on the number one issue. as the washington post reminded everyone, the economy and americans are continuing to pay the higher prices and the price of this kind of choppy, chaotic trade war. leadership. egg prices rising 40%. the trump administration doesn't have serious plans. they have literally suggested people maybe just start raising their own chickens so they could eventually get enough eggs. that might somehow be lower price than the trump economy. egg prices? yes, trump is making america raise chickens again. >> the sound of chickens in the coop might think you were out on

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suggest the government should be run only to appease them. but donald trump seems to be owning both sides of the mistake here. tough talk on monday, owning the market crash, then trying to overreact to that and surrendering in the trade war that he vowed, which i likened to a movie plot. except for real people are affected. your thoughts? >> i never thought that he actually knew what he was doing, and this happened before. i remember the market went down to 18,000 when he was president. he had he uses an economic indicator, but it's really reactive. he just doesn't have a firm hand on the tiller. and i suspect quietly, some of. his i mean, he does have some cabinet officials that know what they're doing. and i suspect quietly, they're sort of hinting that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to bump the tariffs up to 25%. and it's a crazy idea, because the idea that the automobile industry is going to suddenly be

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fall back. it is a rare triple shot. fall back. we are fuzing cuisine, music and law. we got fbi veteran andrew weissman, the famed prosecutor who took on the mob, and wall street criminals clashed with trump in the first term as mueller's deputy. authored the bestselling commentary on the trump indictments, and his podcast is main justice. while chef mario carbone is leading a cuisine empire spanning new york, dallas and miami with chateau and president obama's favorite, carbone. let's take a look at its icon status. >> carbone is. >> one of the greatest restaurants in the city. >> carbone is literally the hardest. >> to get reservation. >> in new york city. >> maybe it never. >> gets old. >> i had. >> to get the. >> viral spicy. >> vodka rigatoni. >> to see. >> if it's. >> worth the hype. >> last table. >> left in car bone calling plays on a rotary. >> phone. >> and it. >> absolutely is. >> what restaurants and carbone spicy rigatoni go hard. >> truly an 11. >> out. >> of ten. >> we love an 11 out of ten. we

love that. returning to fall back, british rapper giggs, a known foodie who actually raps about fine dining, has a partnership with oatly. he's collaborated with ed sheeran and drake has two new songs out right now big on change and take a pic. and giggs. well, he tends to pop up in your thoughts as an artist. >> if you're talking the hardest, giggs better pop up in your thoughts as an artist. >> if you're talking the hardest, giggs will pop up on your thoughts as an artist. if you're talking the hardest pop up in your thoughts as an artist, managers, actors. rehearsing. members are talking five items. yeah. it's madness. >> yeah. well. >> what were the five? >> what were they? >> they can't believe that i'm the man. >> fresh prince we. >> spent bread all baguettes up and stuck. it's like i'm spider-man. >> hey. welcome, everybody. thank you for having us. you guys look great together. we don't usually do a triple. >> we appreciate that. >> yeah, we are here. and what i can say, giggs, is andrew was on

with you last time. and when i hit you up about coming back, you know what he said to me? is andrew going to be there? facts. and then second, he is a foodie. he loves your restaurants. that's how i got here. respect. so here we are. all right. we got some fun stuff planned, but we will start with the fallbacks. andrew, you were just on with us, and i said you have something about fairness. what is on your fall back list? >> yeah. >> so, speaking. >> about how. >> hard. >> it is to get into restaurants. >> so there. >> is this. >> group of. >> people and i think ai bots who are sort of taking up all of the reservations and is a native new yorker. >> that is to. >> me almost. >> a. >> death penalty offense. >> so if pam bondi. >> wants to. >> start doing something. >> for. >> you. >> know. >> having laws. >> abided. >> she could start. >> prosecuting those people so that we could start. >> like little. >> people like. >> me can. >> get into restaurants. >> so when you go to a restaurant, people think, oh, it's andrew weissmann. he's such a big deal. but you, you make

your own reservation, you show up. is that right? yeah. i would like, pick up the phone and do it myself. pick up the phone. as young thug would say, pick up the phone. pick up the phone. i know you're home. anyone know? okay. and when you do that, right. this bothers you because it's unfair. so let's take it to the chef. is this okay? >> no. >> it's a. >> huge problem. right. so these ai bots, they buy up all the reservations. people can't make reservations at the restaurants they're hoping to get into. and then if. if that company can't. >> resell it. >> on the secondary market. >> the table. >> sits empty. >> and it. >> hurts. >> the. >> restaurant tour. >> so it's bad. >> for the restaurant. >> it's bad for the customers. >> it's totally illegal. >> yeah. the only person not affected out of the four of us is giggs, because he's a rap superstar. >> not because. >> i want. he gets well. >> he gets. >> the. >> goodwill, he gets. >> the. >> good fella table. >> yeah i think yeah. >> i think. >> i. don't think. >> he needs a reservation that was on camera. >> that one just shows. >> up now. you got to fall back. that's food related. what's on your list? >> what is it?

>> chocolate pasta you don't like? >> yeah. when you say i don't like. >> you don't like it or do you? >> i ain't trying to. >> but you're. are you against it? you're looking. >> here's what it says against it. >> better homes and gardens. >> it looks kind of mad, though. >> yeah. some people love chocolate. we're not hating. but you feel like you got the only thing you love. dessert. >> you tried that? >> i'm not interested. i'm open minded. but no, i'm not. but i'm asking you. >> yeah. no, i don't think it's for me. >> so i saw. >> how to do. >> this and where. >> it came out of. >> she used her bare hands and everything. i would eat that. >> you're. >> you're intrigued by that? >> yeah. >> i trust you. >> well, let me let's dig into it. we have sweet and we have savory. what we're seeing here is the sweet trying to masquerade in through the savory lane. is that is that from a cuisine perspective? is that a bad idea? not at all. okay, i. >> think it's great. i think it's a little precursor to a full sweet finish. >> is there any chocolate part in any of your restaurants? >> absolutely not. okay. >> what's on your fallback list? >> so this one came across my. desk and. >> really burned my marinara.

>> lieutenant, lieutenant governor of the state of texas decided he was going to try to take the great eponymous steak of new york, the new york. >> strip steak. >> and just rebrand it texas steak. he's claiming that he's going to do that because it's going to, you know, drive awareness for ranchers and for texas beef, which is all great, a great idea and all great cause you just you just can't mess with the new york strip steak. i mean that the origin of that steak is the oldest restaurant in new york. it's delmonico's. they're the ones who created that steak. you can't just have it. so i would say to him, sir, i would offer myself to fly to texas, work with you, work with the great ranchers of the state of texas. and let's collectively come up with what your beef is. but it's not the new york strip. >> you know, andrew, it's andrew. it's. yeah. what's your beef? is andrew. it's kind of giving the restaurant version of golf of america. >> yeah, exactly. so i think the ap needs to be brought into this

conversation. see you know, see what they're going to do, whether they're going to call it the new york strip steak or, you know, the sacrilege, i think probably another death penalty offense. if you were to call the new york strip steak a texas steak, he's on a roll. they should have their own state. it's just not ours. >> right. and it's funny because especially for people who are in and around new york and brooklyn, we care about this, right? >> it's a thing. >> yeah, it's a thing. all right. i got something special. >> so what's the what's that? new york strip steak. yeah. >> so new york strip steak is a boneless strip steak. yeah. the only other city that would have any remote claim to this would be kansas city. that would be a bone in new york strip as a kansas city. nowhere does texas play into this. they've just decided they want to make it theirs. so it's strip steak from the loin, really tender. and by all accounts, it was it was started and invented in new york city in the 1800s at a restaurant that still exists called delmonico's. >> okay. >> sounds like it's a date. >> i love it. >> i. >> love, you know, your stuff. so we're going to turn to something special that we rarely do. you guys are back together,

andrew. we want to run some gigs. lyrics by you and the chef and see if you can make sense of them. we're going to start straightforward. all right. all right. this is from the new song big on change. okay. the bar sits under the flower. my family couldn't be prouder i look cristiano ronaldo. how could there be problems deep in that legend stuff? could have written novels. you dumb alcoholic or you just a baby. you sleep with a bottle. what's it mean, andrew? >> wow. you know, i mean, this is like shakespeare. i need to hear it over and over. but there is a part of me that thinks, thank god i really don't follow music that's past the 20th century. >> well, when you hear, are you an alcoholic or a baby? you sleep with a bottle. what do you think he's saying? >> that is a really good question. but this is like that old woody allen thing where it's like, i have marshall marshall mcluhan here, so why don't we rather. than what were you trying to say? >> no, it's just that before it, it says, i'm deep in that legend stuff. could have written

novels. then it's like, are you dumb alcoholic or are you sleep with it? so basically it's like, are you insulting me being a legend, right? >> like to someone to not get what level you're on there either. yeah. >> go ahead. yeah. you got to be dumb or. >> you got to be dumb or inebriated. all right, that makes sense. okay. all right, we're going to come back to you more. have one for you. okay? okay. also from the new song, take a pic. oh, geez. yeah. we the fathers. i'm in new york. just bumped into five dover sole with lemon butter. add the sprinkle of garlic. >> yeah, that's i mean, he's just he's just trying to tell you what level he's operating at. the access to places and people. and not only can he get the dover sole, he's asking for a little extra garlic on the side that doesn't come with it normally, but he gets it of course. >> with the butter. >> with the butter. is he right? >> there you go. >> is that a good way to cook dover sole. >> oh, yeah.

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