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allies. and your bottom line. where is this all going? and same question regarding elon musk. his honeymoon phase appears to be over, with reports of a west wing screaming match. plus, we're going to examine trump's decision to talk directly with our adversaries. and it's a bold move that could actually pay off. i'm ayman mohyeldin. >> let's do it. >> after a dizzying whiplashing week involving tariffs, president trump still cannot seem to decide who he wants to punish. and when this all started tuesday, when trump imposed 25% tariffs on all imports from canada and mexico, plus an additional 10% tariffs on imports from china, canada and china, responded with retaliatory tariffs of their own. and here at home, numerous industries, from farmers to metal makers, they all pushed back as well. by wednesday, the president ordered a one month

delay of auto tariffs after a call with executives of the big three automakers in this country. and by thursday, the president caved even more, creating exemptions for products that comply with the us-mexico-canada agreement. you've probably heard of it. it's called the usmca. it's a trade pact that replaced nafta. and guess what? it was negotiated and signed by donald trump himself. while trump has now paused all these tariffs until april 2nd, he does say that by next week he could impose more tariffs on canadian dairy products and lumber. trump is also. expected to announce reciprocal tariffs on other countries by that april 2nd deadline, suggesting that products from the european union could actually be next. and in case you cannot tell, trump is flying by the seat of his pants here. and that level of uncertainty actually works for no one. it clearly did not work for wall street. the us stock market was headed for one of its worst weeks in months, seeing a sharp plunge to begin the week, ultimately rebounding once trump

pulled back his tariffs. wall street banks are still warning about the increasing risk of recession, and consumer confidence has plunged to its lowest levels since november 2023. and as businesses and consumers are on edge, more layoffs are expected in the private sector. there's also. talk of spending cuts in industries such as health care, education, even nonprofit services, and that ultimately leads to a reduction in service jobs like restaurants and retailers. while trump is a master of spinning reality, he is somewhat admitting that it is actually causing pain and he is the one doing so. >> there could be some disturbance, a little bit of a disturbance. i solved a little bit of that because i have respect for our auto companies, and i gave them a little bit of a one month reprieve because it was it was unfair. although i'm sure they'll take advantage of it. >> and guess who else is fed up with these. threats of

disturbances? oh, canada. our neighbors to the north are now removing american liquor and california wines from store shelves. some say they are pulling back on future visits to the u.s. and in a very american move, they are now pushing a buy canadian campaign to counter higher costs and to spite president trump. and then there are trump's own voters here in the u.s. slowly but surely, they are realizing they were sold a lemon. some told the atlantic that when it comes to the economy and inflation, they actually feel things are getting worse. one friendly reminder before we get going tonight. while it feels like it has been years, we are just a few weeks into trump's final four year term. we haven't even hit the 100 day mark yet. joining me now is democratic congressman robert garcia of california. his district is actually home to the second largest seaport in the united states, which also happens to be one of china's top

trading partners. congressman, it's great to have you back on the show. i want to start by getting your reaction to what we saw this week. you know, we're already worried about the cost of living in this country going up only to have the president. i don't know what to describe it anymore. it's more than just flip flopping. it seems like he is just flying by the seat of his pants. he changed his mind about the tariffs. he flipped on the switch, then turned it off, flipped it on, turned it off. then he gave exemptions, as i just said to automakers and others. and you really don't know what's actually happening here. >> that's exactly right. and what's most. >> concerning about this moment is how chaotic. >> trump's policy. >> is around trade, around our supply chain, obviously around these tariffs. and he's causing real damage to small businesses, to the economy, and certainly to america's seaports. i don't think donald trump understands that much of our economy, especially on its coasts, rely on trade. in just my home district, we have the port of long beach, adjacent to the port of los angeles. those two

seaports combined are the first and second largest ports in the united states. moving container cargo. and right now, talking to port executives, they are incredibly concerned. they have no sense of stability. they have no idea what trump's going to essentially ask for the following day. and it's actually having the impact on shippers, on truckers, on businesses not knowing what to order and not to order. and all of this will cause a ripple effect in the economy that will do nothing to lower the price of goods. in fact, what we're going to see is goods and the price of goods starting to increase. and we, you know, people ask me today, well, what's trump's tariff policy? who knows? because he changes it every single day. and so that's it's incredibly concerning. i mean, people should be really concerned about the state of the economy right now. >> you know, trump and his. >> allies. >> you know, they're doing this dance around the very real economic pain americans will feel under these tariffs. they never said this while they were on the campaign trail. but just take a listen to what the treasury secretary had to say.

scott bessent. >> could we be seeing that the this economy that we inherited starting to roll a bit? sure. and look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as we move away from public spending to private spending. the market and the economy have just become hooked. we've become addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be a detox period. >> the commerce secretary had something similar to say about short term pain for long term gain. but but what is this? i mean, a detox period? what is this? >> it's easy to say that we're going to have these detox periods, or there's going to be some. >> sort of you're a millionaire. >> when exactly when you're a millionaire and you're billionaires, then it doesn't matter. the people that are actually being impacted are working families, middle class families, people that are actually on the docks, people that have small businesses that are driving trucks. there is a worker when this kind of

inconsistent tariff policy gets put in place. and we have, by the way, the example from trump's first term when he put those tariffs on china. so we know what actually happens to ports and to moving goods. so essentially what you're going to have in this country is goods continuing to increase in cost because of the tariffs. and nobody, by the way, even on the republican side, in talking to members of congress who have shown absolutely zero courage here, they also have no idea what trump is doing and so why he is doing this. nobody knows. look, we know that tariff policy should be debated fully. we understand that. but this approach is the wrong approach to do it. it's going to harm the economy. >> as i mentioned, your district has the second largest port in this country. tell me a little bit about what you're hearing in your own district from these companies, these people that work there on the docks. how worried are they about these slew of tariffs? i mean, he's reporting about global executives who were in long beach this week for an annual conference reportedly going into panic mode over all of this uncertainty.

>> look, i'm back home, so i'm talking to these executives. we have some of the biggest port executives in in the world right now gathered in long beach and los angeles. they are all saying the same thing, that they cannot operate in this inconsistency. they cannot operate with this, with essentially not knowing what's going to happen, or the policy is going to be the next day. and this whole pass, you know, passing down the buck or passing it off to the next month, that actually doesn't work. what you need in trade, in supply chain, in this business, you need to know and understand what a consistent policy is going to be. look in long beach and in the port areas of los angeles, about 1 in 4, 1 in 5 jobs is actually related to the supply chain and to ports. and so it is a massive disruption to the local economy. people here are feeling it, and the rest of the country is going to feel it as well. so it's honestly insane the level of disruption that donald trump is causing to america's ports. >> and of course, it's not just an economic disruption. this is

all having an impact on our relationship diplomatically with u.s. allies. both mexico and canada have threatened their own retaliatory tariffs. canada. in fact, initial tariffs against our country are actually going to stay in place even after trump walked his own tariffs back. if we continue down this path with this administration, is there any reason to do business with americans going forward, especially if you can't even come up with a policy and be consistent and be deliberate about what it is that you're trying to do. if you're just constantly flip flopping every other day and kind of throwing our allies, our closest allies economically, certainly under the bus. >> and it's not just, of course, the economic policy, it's just the insults. i mean, donald trump calling canada the 51st state, the leader of their country, calling him, referring to him as governor. i mean, who does this? i mean, this is not this is not normal. this is not the type of behavior you want to see in an american president. you're going to insult our

trading partners in mexico and canada. you're going to insult our global partners in trade. you're going to essentially ensure that we have disruption for working families across this country. so i understand the actions that the that the canadians are taking against us and by the way, will be huge impacts in california. i understand that they're pushing back against trump's disruptive trade policy. and at the center of this is donald trump. it's elon musk who's backing him up. it's all of their billionaire friends. this is all about billionaire corporate interests. they supporting the chaos. they're supporting donald trump. and no one wants to tell donald trump that what he's doing is actually going to hurt working people. or maybe he knows it and just doesn't care. >> let's switch gears to what the democrats can be doing, and also what's happening with republicans, specifically town halls at the moment. after the chairman of the national republican congressional committee advised members of the party to stop holding them because of all the blowback they have been seeing. you've said that you're ready to go on the road starting hosting them yourself. what kind of

opportunity is this for you and for your party? and should we be hearing commercial after commercial of the treasury secretary and the commerce secretary out there saying, oh, you guys, it's going to there's we need a detox period and there's going to be short term pain for long term gain. and yes, there may be a little bit of inflation and job loss. >> i mean, yes, to all of the above right now. this is a moment that is essentially the working people, the middle class of america versus the billionaires and the billionaire class in this country. look, right now, republicans in congress are such cowards that they won't even hold town halls because, as we've seen, the few that did just a few weeks ago, they essentially got protested. constituents came out and angry about medicaid, about medicare, about social security. and so the republican party, the national party has now told members of congress, no more town halls. we're done. no more town halls. i mean, that's the way that we connect with our community. we hold town halls to hear back from constituents. so myself and a couple others in

congress have essentially decided we're going to host these town halls ourselves in republican districts. and so i'll be going to some of these republican districts here in california, across the country. we're going to hold town halls so that their constituents understand the impacts to their families and to these republicans hear directly from people. and by the way, these aren't just all democrats. these are republicans, independents. it is their constituency that's pushing back against elon musk and the cuts to their services. >> let me ask you really quickly about the looming government shutdown. speaker johnson unveiled a short term funding bill that would keep the government running through the end of september. how do you plan on voting? we know democrats are opposed to it, but will republicans alone have the votes to push this through? >> look, i think mike johnson is working on getting the votes to get that through. i will not be voting for any proposal by republicans at the end of the day, does nothing to help working families. so i'll be voting no. but i imagine that mike johnson is putting together his own caucus, and we'll try to get it done on his own. look,

this is not a moment for democrats to be kumbaya with republicans and trying to work with them when all they want to do is steamroll over the american people, put together policies that only help the very rich in this country. and so i think democrats got to push back and vote and oppose their agenda every single time that we can. >> all right. congressman robert garcia of california. congressman, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it, as always. >> thank you. >> next up, the reported closed door cabinet meeting where elon musk apparently learned that he can't get away with everything can't get away with everything he wants. -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week and buy a winning lottery ticket. -can i come? -only room for one. how am i getting home? sittin' on my lap like last time, ronald. fine, but i'm bringing this. [ whirring ] alright. or...you could try one of these savings options. the right money moves aren't as far-fetched as you think. there it is. see? told you it was going to all work out. thanks, future me.

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its golden age, why is he reining him in all of a sudden? well, on friday, we may have found out. the new york times reported on an explosive west wing meeting where members of trump's cabinet raged at musk's unchecked power. it reportedly included a heated argument between musk and secretary of state marco rubio. musk apparently accused rubio of being good on tv, but not good at anything else, and secretary rubio reportedly accused musk of not being truthful. the times also reported on musk visiting capitol hill this week to meet with republicans, and while he was given a standing ovation by them for some reason, he also was questioned for almost two hours on what he and his doge team were actually doing. so for now, musk is supposedly reined in. but is that actually possible going forward? who has the leverage in this trump musk bromance? the president or his top donor? and are we actually living in a democracy? if i actually have to ask that

question. with me now is teddy schleifer, a reporter for the new york times who covers these billionaires and their impact on the world. teddy, it's good to have you on the show. so let's go back a few years. i mean, during trump's first term, everyone speculated that steve bannon was in trouble when he was put on the cover of time magazine and dubbed the great manipulator. obviously, he did not last much longer. musk seems to be a little bit different, and it's kind of understandable. he has a lot of leverage over trump. with the millions that he gave to his campaign. he funded him. he can fund the entire republican congress if he really wants. do you think trump is actually reining him in, or does he just need to publicly appear that way? >> that's a great question. >> i mean, certainly. >> the appearance. >> is important here. >> i mean. >> trump put. >> out. a truth social post saying he was. reigning him in. >> and, you know, he didn't go into all the detail. >> about everything that happened in the meeting. >> but clearly there has been, you know, and we know this from our reporting kind of building unease with with trump. sorry with musk for. weeks now. i

mean, this cabinet meeting did not happen suddenly. i mean, it was called suddenly, but. cabinet officials dating. back to, you know, kind of the musk incursion into the treasury department in. >> the. >> opening days of this administration. >> have had issues with musk. and now. >> also. >> we're seeing. >> issues with musk. >> come up in congress. >> you know, we're seeing members who have constituent services, you know, whether it's health benefits for veterans or. >> you know, food. >> stamps for poor. >> people in their. >> districts who have to be elected by these people who suddenly are dealing with, you know, this person in washington. >> they don't know. >> who is, you know, threatening. the basic government services. >> that they provide. >> so this. >> this. >> feels like it's coming out of nowhere. but this is a long time coming. and, you know, to some extent, it's surprising it didn't happen earlier. >> we've seen some protests against musk himself. i mean, here are some images just of today. musk's car company, tesla being protested. we know his stock. tesla stock has gone way down in recent months. trump is

used to being the one bringing negative attention and protest to his administration. do you think at all that musk's sinking popularity could play a role in how trump views his usefulness to his administration, and if he becomes too toxic? i mean, trump has made it very clear he likes winners. >> yeah. i mean, elon musk could. >> also be serving as a heat shield for trump. i mean, i think it's also possible that that trump is aware or could be made aware of the fact that elon. >> musk's are taking. >> taking the arrows here helps trump. >> and look, i mean, clearly. >> musk is playing a. bigger role than anyone imagined. you know, even people in the media, you know, i covered elon musk's campaign campaign activity last year. i didn't anticipate him doing being just so involved as he is today. >> and trump. >> may have not been really kind of aware of that. you know, he named him to be the head of this department of government efficiency, but it was not a priority for trump. on the on the campaign trail. and elon has

been by his side for the last, you know, 4 or 5 months. >> you know, they. >> do have a good personal relationship, which i think is underappreciated in a lot of the speculation about how long elon is going to last here. but there's also political upside for the guy to be taking, you know, all the scrutiny. and, you know, maybe you're not really paying attention to what trump is doing, you know, at hhs or what a cabinet official is doing at the va, because you're sort of so much focus and so much attention is on this kind of larger than life billionaire. so i think that's possible as well. >> let me get your thoughts on this kind of good cop bad cop routine that we've seen. and it was kind of highlighted a little bit this week. you've got republican congressman tom cole of oklahoma who posted yesterday that after working closely with doge and the administration, i am thrilled to announce that common sense has prevailed. he went on to say that a national weather center office and indian health center office, a social security administration office all in his state will remain open thanks to his lobbying efforts of this administration. connecticut senator chris murphy

replied by saying that this is why the threat of losing our democracy is at an emergency stage. he highlights trump shuts off spending. so each congressman, governor, senator, mayor has to come pledge loyalty to get the money turned back on. it's called petitioning the king, as senator chris murphy described it. is there something there to this observation where you've got like the elon musk out there making these cuts, saying these government agencies have to be shut down, these people have to be laid off. then you get the private exchanges with the kind of senator, mayor, or whatever representative coming to the administration or to trump begging for the faucet to be turned back on. >> yeah, i mean, that that tweet from tom cole is exactly what i was thinking of a moment ago when i mentioned, you know, members of congress who are, you know, having to fight to kind of get constituent services turned back on. certainly. i mean, it could be a win win win in a weird way where, you know, a member of congress gets to say that they, you know, have overcome the obstacles put into them by the republican

administration. you know, there's an element to what murphy is getting at that i think bears are rings true. though if you're if you're tom cole, i mean, i would not the excitement is genuine here that that there is you know, there is a real push coming from members of congress, even hard line members of congress, who are generally for budget cuts, who feel a bit of nimbyism. right? like, you know, we are happy to have the budget cut and we're happy to have, you know, waste, fraud and abuse be stripped out of the federal government. but don't take it out of my district. right. that suddenly, you know, when you're going after things that matter to me, i have to be elected by oklahomans. and i don't want, you know, veterans or health care benefits stripped out of the state. so. right. those are the weird politics right now where you have republican members of congress begging a republican president to not do cuts and not let this republican billionaire have so much power. >> all right. teddy schleifer from the new york times, thank you so much, teddy. greatly appreciate it. >> you bet. >> coming up, what donald trump

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like this comparison, but the last time an american president kicked off his administration's middle eastern diplomacy by sending a personal letter to iran's supreme leader. well, it was barack obama back in 2009. and that letter began a years long correspondence that ultimately led to the thawing of us-iran tensions and then to one of the biggest american foreign policy wins in decades, the iran nuclear deal. now, at the time, obama was strongly criticized for talking to iran. it was a sign of weakness and caving in to terrorists. these attacks came from the usual suspects folks like lindsey graham, john mccain, republican senators, but also from some liberals and democrats. but in the end, obama turned out to be right. and ironically, his position was just summed up nicely by none other than trump. >> i would rather negotiate a deal. i'm not sure that everybody agrees with me, but we can make a deal that would be just as good as if you won militarily.

>> now trump, like obama before him, knows that talking to adversaries is not a sign of american weakness. it's actually a sign of american strength and prudence. which brings me to the other item trump got right this week. axios barak ravid reports that trump's administration has been negotiating directly with hamas, both over the release of u.s. hostages still held in gaza, and on the possibility of a broader deal. of course, as you can imagine, this news did not go well with the israeli government. benjamin netanyahu's top aide, ron dermer, reportedly erupted in a call with trump's hostage envoy objecting to the talks and to making proposals without israel's consent. and this followed a report by israeli journalist ronen bergman that israel leaked information about america's direct talks with hamas in attempts to sabotage those talks. think about that for a moment. you have the israeli government totally reliant on american weapons and diplomatic support and cover, telling america not

to make proposals to hamas, a group holding an american hostage without israeli consent. and it really raises the question, who's the actual superpower in this relationship? and the fact that the trump administration now sees the netanyahu government as, quote, sabotaging their cease fire and hostage release talks is important. it seemed like every week we saw reports that the biden administration was angry or frustrated with netanyahu for sabotaging talks, only to follow that up by sending him more weapons and vetoing more un ceasefire resolutions. now, let's be very clear here. we have no idea how any of this will end up either on the iranian nuclear talks or with the hamas talks as well. we don't know, because trump is erratic. case in point, how trump followed up this leaked story about his talking with hamas, posting what was essentially a genocidal threat to all palestinians in gaza. and

of course, it was trump himself who ripped up obama's iran nuclear deal in the first term. but american presidents shouldn't be afraid to talk to adversaries or enemies, nor should they be pushed around by their allies, including benjamin netanyahu and ron dermer. we saw how that ended for joe biden. now we're going to see if trump follows in biden's footsteps, or he charts his own path. we're going to dive a little bit going to dive a little bit deep —hi! —hi! ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. [coins clinking] ♪♪ that's convenience from chase. make more of what's yours. the great things about

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>> before the break, i discussed the trump administration rightfully opening diplomatic channels with both iran and hamas and some of the blowback he is getting, most notably right now from israel. today, israel's channel 12 is reporting that trump team's talks with hamas actually started earlier than previously reported. in fact, they started shortly before trump was even inaugurated. joining me now to discuss this and what it all means, mouin rabbani. he is the coeditor of jadaliyya and a nonresident fellow at the middle east council on global affairs. it's great to have you on the show. let's start with this. trump and hamas, you know, backdoor channel talks, these direct talks. what do you think the significance of this is of both trump dealing with hamas directly and apparently doing so behind israel's back without their knowledge and against their wishes? >> well, i think. >> it's very significant. i mean, you know. talking to

adversaries. >> or enemies. >> or even. >> talking to. >> all parties. >> involved in a conflict. >> is. kind of standard diplomatic. practice when. >> you're trying to resolve a crisis. and given the concerns the u.s. has about this transforming into a regional war that could directly suck in the. united states, i think it's on that basis that the americans decided they needed to talk to one of the main players in this crisis. which is hamas, particularly because i think the americans have also concluded that that israel will do everything within its power to derail the agreement. >> the cease. >> fire agreement that went into effect in january and is supposed to reach its second stage already. >> what about hamas and all of this? i mean, their side of things. what is having a direct line to the american administration do for them? because, again, you know, trump has openly said he wants to ethnically cleanse the gaza strip, certainly depopulated. he uses the word palestinian as a

slur. he is obviously no friend of the palestinians. but what's the advantage for hamas in being able to deal directly with the trump administration that has made no love lost? very clear to them? >> well, i don't think hamas, or for that matter, any palestinians have illusions about either trump or the united states, given the full scale support of his predecessor, joe biden, for israel's genocidal military campaign in the gaza strip. but i think their ability to communicate their points of view directly to the americans and to emphasize the importance of implementing the agreement that has already been signed in january, rather than trying to replace it with something new and different, and making clear to the americans that while trump may think that palestinians would love to move to the sinai desert or jordan or whatever, that they're staying put and not going to capitulate, i think being able to

communicate this directly to the americans would be very important for them, particularly given that trump, without those negotiations, the americans are hearing the palestinian perspective, either from the israelis or indirectly via the mediators. egypt and qatar. >> let's compare this for what we saw last week with ukraine. i mean, whatever anyone thinks about the russia-ukraine issue, when trump and zelensky met in the oval office, we saw for a moment an american president forcefully tell an ally that it will stop sending us weapons unless it changes its behavior. basically, america trying to impose its will on an ally to get its desired outcome. could you envision trump doing this even privately, not even publicly, even privately, with netanyahu? >> not really. but, you know, having said that, and as you pointed out earlier, trump is a very erratic, unpredictable and impulsive leader. so in principle, anything is possible.

i think the real issue here is not whether trump is going to turn on israel, which, of course, theoretically could happen because he doesn't have this passionate ideological attachment to israel that, for example, joe biden did. i think the greater risk here is that trump will make unrealistic proposals to the palestinians, to hamas. and when these are rejected, that he could then become, you know, very belligerent and authorize israel to derail the agreement and resume its genocidal military campaign in the gaza strip in an intensified fashion. >> there was also, and i'm not sure if you saw it, on the difference between ukraine and israel, you conservative new york times columnist ross douthat posted, fundamentally, i suspect, trump's attitudes towards israel and toward ukraine may be somewhat similar that he regards them both as rogue allies that need to be forced into deal making. but

he's more constrained by gop zionism than by gop ukraine hawks. what do you think of that idea that even if he wanted to cut israel loose, like he is doing with ukraine, or kind of put some pressure on them, he wouldn't be able to do that because of his own party and the republican party and the political pressures in the republican party. >> i don't buy that. i mean, trump is basically completely transformed the republican party in multiple ways on both domestic and foreign policy. and if there's one thing we learned during the past year and a half that we should have known before, but perhaps didn't, is that israel is entirely dependent on the united states militarily, politically and diplomatically. so the idea that somehow washington is an israeli colony is completely absurd. it's quite clear that in this relationship, the united states is a superpower, israel is the proxy. and whatever washington instructs israel to do, at the

end of the day, the israeli government will have no option but to comply. so, of course, you know, the israel lobby has influence, their congressmen who are bought and paid for and all the rest of it. but when push comes to shove, and we have voluminous evidence over the years to demonstrate this, israel will have no choice but to comply with american policy. >> and let me finally get your thoughts on the iran talks, just in how it may impact what happens with hamas. could there be a deal between the us and iran that essentially forces iran out of proxies and supporting proxies, whether it be in a much weakened hezbollah in lebanon and is certainly much more tattered, hamas in the gaza strip. >> i think that's unlikely. i mean, when you consider during the past eight years, first, the first trump administration unilaterally renouncing the international agreement that was known as the iran nuclear agreement, and then the biden administration refusing to rejoin that agreement unless it was fundamentally revised. the

americans have almost gone out of their way to demonstrate to the iranians that they're unreliable and untrustworthy. and so there is a real a real opportunity for constructive diplomacy here. but, you know, when it goes together with with bluster and threats, it's going to make it very difficult for the iranians to engage constructively with them. and i think they're going to insist on first resolving the issue of us iranian relations before addressing any, any regional issues. and i think, you know, regarding your question, they consider this a matter of iranian national security and regional policy, which at the end of the day, they will argue is none of washington's business. >> mouin rabbani, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you so much for joining us. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> anytime. next up, trump's justice department is once again pushing the envelope when it comes to rolling back your ♪ comes to rolling back your rights. (vo) living with your albuterol asthma rescue inhaler?

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>> for a few months. last year, doctors in idaho faced an extremely harrowing choice wait until the risks to pregnant patients health become life threatening, or fly them out of the state for treatment. the largest health provider in idaho was forced to airlift six patients to neighboring states for emergency abortion care when its near-total abortion ban was in full effect. one of those patients was a woman who was just 20 weeks into her pregnancy when her water broke, putting her at risk of infection, according to a doctor who spoke to nbc news. well, there's now enormous concern that doctors and pregnant patients may be in that highly dangerous position yet again. and even more so, women will be airlifted to receive emergency abortions in one of its biggest actions yet to roll back abortion rights, trump's justice department has dropped a lawsuit, initially brought by the biden administration that sought to preserve access to emergency abortion care in idaho. it's a move that advocates are calling

devastating, and opens the door to potential full enforcement of one of the strictest abortion bans in the country. the attacks on abortion rights don't just end there. the trump administration is now asking the supreme court to let it join upcoming oral arguments in support of south carolina in the state's attempt to end medicaid funding for services offered at planned parenthood. joining me now is alexa kolbi-molinas, deputy director at the aclu reproductive freedom project. alexa, it's great to have you on the show. there was an analysis in jezebel that argued by dropping this lawsuit in idaho, trumps doj is proving it doesn't care if pregnant people die. do you agree? >> that's exactly right. but the trump administration's decision to drop this case. >> is a clear signal that they would rather. >> let women. die than access abortion. >> when it comes to the state of idaho and specifically this case, walk us through the immediate implications of what the justice department dropping

this lawsuit over emergency access means. i mean, there was a us district court judge for now that has blocked the full enforcement of its abortion ban by granting a temporary restraining order that idaho's largest health care provider had requested. but how and what will how long will that order be in place for? and what happens from here on out? >> look, the law has been clear for decades that. >> everyone has. >> a right. >> to emergency care, including abortion care, regardless of where they live. and this crucial protection. >> has been critical for pregnant. patients when they experience medical crises. what has happened. >> in this case is, fortunately, saint luke's hospital system. has stepped into the breach and. >> has brought its own. >> lawsuit to. >> try to defend emergency care in idaho. but we know extremist idaho politicians are not going to stop fighting. when this. >> case was first. >> brought by the biden administration.

>> they went all. >> the way to the supreme. >> court for the right to put doctors in jail. >> simply for trying to save their patients lives. so this sends. >> a strong message from the trump administration. >> that they don't care about women's health. >> and lives. and it's. >> something we need to watch, because we know. >> that extremist. >> politicians, like those in idaho and elsewhere, are going to continue fighting. >> and let me zero in a little bit on this, this core part of idaho here, because the lawsuit in idaho, at its core, it's about what you were just talking about, this federal law called emtala, basically, the emergency medical treatment and labor act. and that requires emergency rooms that receive medicaid funding to stabilize patients in emergency situations. the biden administration was arguing that emtala requires providing emergency care, even if that includes abortion care. and the state of idaho believes otherwise. now, if you're if you're kind of like trying to explain this to, you know,

ordinary people, is it about which one gets priority, whether it's the emergency law to save someone's life or the law that's restricting abortions in the state of idaho? what is the risk now to expecting families who visit the e.r. when a doctor has to make a choice about that priority? >> well. >> we have. >> seen across the. >> country, not just. >> in idaho, but. >> in places like. >> texas. >> tennessee, florida, places with. extreme abortion. bans that when women end up going. >> to the hospital experiencing. >> a crisis in their pregnancy, they are being denied abortion care, even when the ban has a so-called exception. for emergency care. and it is they are suffering severe health consequences. people are. >> losing the ability. >> to have women in their children, children in the future, and people are even dying. it's a very serious. >> situation and. >> it is. critical that it be enforced. but it's also important to recognize that there is.

>> no abortion. >> ban that can actually protect women's health and lives. when anti-abortion. politicians tell you they're going to ban abortion. but still protect health and lives, they're lying to you. there's no abortion ban that can protect women's health and lives. because when a doctor fears going to jail for providing a patient for the care they need, then. they are going to not get the care they need. >> yeah. and as you mentioned, women have already died. there are like amber thurmond and kandi miller in georgia, just to name two. the state recently launched a maternal mortality committee after dismissing all members last year. but now, after we've learned more about the details surrounding the deaths of women like thurmond and miller, it is now refusing to disclose the names of its members. what do you make of that decision? what strikes you about that decision? >> we know that abortion. >> bans will. >> kill women. >> and clearly extremist politicians in georgia know that too. and that's why they were so

afraid when this information was finally revealed. but more names are coming out, and they are going to continue to come out until we stop extremist politicians from banning abortion in these states. so i think what georgia has done here is shown that they are scared of the truth. but yet these extremist politicians aren't stopping until they can ban abortion in all 50 states. that's their agenda. >> all right, alexa kolbi-molinas, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate your insights. >> thank you for having me. >> a new hour of amen starts after a quick break. >> i feel like new sunglasses, like a brand new pair of jeans. i feel like taking chances. i feel. >> a lot. >> brand new.

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