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out of all of trump's cabinet picks. and he sailed through with it a historic 99 to 0 senate vote to become trump's secretary of state. that's how desperate everyone was for what at least was a semi-normal pick. now, democrats took a gamble on him, either influencing trump's foreign policy or just blindly following orders. but so far, it's looking like the latter. since the first day in the senate, rubio has been a loud advocate against russia's annexation of ukrainian territory. in fact, here he is back in 2014. watch. >> you basically. >> have. >> russia that has decided. >> that we don't like the way things are going in ukraine. and so we're going to invade, we're going to take over a territory and think about how they did it. they deny that they're doing it. they send russian troops into crimea, but they had them wear uniforms that had no markings on them. in fact, the press would ask these soldiers, where are you from? they wouldn't answer. they invaded a country, but they

lied about their invasion. >> and of course, he's no stranger to taking shots at russian president vladimir putin. in fact, back in 2015, he straight up called him a gangster and a thug. another standout moment when rubio grilled former secretary of state rex tillerson in 2017 during his confirmation hearing over his ties to russia. >> is vladimir putin a war criminal? >> i would not use that term. >> it should not be hard to say that vladimir. putin's military. >> has conducted war. crimes in aleppo. >> and, you know, i find it discouraging your inability to cite that which i think is globally accepted. >> now, you think that rubio would have a lot to say over the last few weeks, especially during trump's tense oval office meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. instead, we got this pure disassociation from rubio. he looked like he was trying to render himself completely invisible, melting away into the couch while everyone else talked. rubio reportedly isn't just out of the

loop when it comes to ukraine. he's also been sidelined when it comes to trump's foreign policy in the middle east. he notably tried to take over the panama canal, while trump's actual foreign policy guy, real estate investor turned u.s. special envoy steve witkoff has been making real moves, witkoff has been the one inside gaza. he confirmed that the us is in talks with hamas, and now he's jumping into negotiations with ukraine again, edging out the so-called secretary of state, marco rubio, on with me now my panel for the hour. versha sharma, editor in chief of teen vogue. hayes brown, msnbc daily writer and editor, and v spear, host and creator of under the desk news. so, hayes, what a week it's been for marco rubio. >> not a great week. >> not a great week. >> yeah, absolutely. marco rubio, you mentioned the 99 to 0 senate vote. that feels like the sort of genteel, sort of like we're all buddies here. think that the senate has been known

for back in the day like that when a senator is nominated to become a cabinet official, unless they have just been wildly outside the norm, that's usually a courtesy of the senate to be like, we trust you, buddy. you've been here. we get you, you've got this. but now that rubio is in office at foggy bottom, he really has been sidelined. like you said, he has not been looked at as the chief diplomat to the united states. he's just been kind of there. he's been making trips. he went to panama, like you mentioned, and he has not been doing much that we've been able to see to influence u.s. foreign policy. though he has been getting more vocal behind closed doors, reports have been saying, especially with regard to elon musk's cutting, that i think is one of the most fascinating things he went through this week. >> let me actually play for you all this clip from saturday night live. it actually perfectly portrayed the kind of zelensky meeting with trump. watch this. >> oh man. look at rubio over there fully dissociating. >> he looks like homer. >> simpson disappearing into

that hedge. to quote the late good. >> tom petty's free falling. >> v your thoughts on your thoughts on marco rubio and how quickly this position, this one time powerful position of great american diplomats. when you think about him, the james baker's of the world, the madeleine albright, even if you don't like them or not, condoleezza rice is of the world, people who had stature on the world stage. and now marco rubio. >> i mean, i think he should have probably seen this coming in trump's first term and for a very long time, he would call him little marco. and marco rubio has, in fact, gotten a little part when it comes to trump's state department. when you sell your soul at the temple of maga, you're not going to advance your place in the movement the way that you think you would, especially with all of trump's special envoys and special investors, and the fact that trump has made very clear that the people he's out to serve right now are not the american people or or to promote his cabinet, but rather him and his billionaire buddies. so i think, i think marco made a big

mistake here trusting trump. i think that we all really hoped that he would have that kind of relationship, to be able to hold things together behind the scenes, to kind of try to, like, trump proof the state department. but it's clear that he's diminished his role. >> it's clear, like the democrats wanted to have at least an adult in the room, and they figured, hey, you know what? he's a senator. he'll he'll at least be the adult in that kind of foreign policy decision making room. and that has not been the case. and we certainly saw that this week during the address to joint to the joint address to congress. well, watch this. when trump talked to about marco rubio. watch this clip. >> we have marco rubio in charge. good luck marco. now we know who to blame if anything goes wrong. now, marco has been amazing and he's going to do a great job. think of it. he got 100 votes. >> what do you think that interaction tells us about the dynamic between these two men? >> i mean, i think it's exactly what this panel has been talking about, which is trump is always wanting to put marco in his

place. he's always speaking down to him. he's honest. he seems like he's having a very good time belittling him on the national stage there. but i did think that report that hayes referenced was interesting. i think it just came out yesterday in the new york times that in a tense oval office meeting, marco really expressed his frustrations with elon musk and just the chainsaw that he's taken to the federal government, including the state department. i think the report said that trump was watching them back and forth like a tennis match before he kind of interceded, but he let marco let air all of his grievances out. so i think that that is a really interesting dynamic to follow, especially, you know, two days after trump did that at the state of the union. and i'll be interested to see how that changes in the next coming weeks. >> let me switch gears to another thing this developed this week, and that is marco rubio basically announcing the plans to use ai to go after foreign students and others who they suspect of supporting hamas based on, you know, i guess, going over their social media

posts and basically just using ai to interpret whatever they think that means to be a supporter of a terrorist organization, but a very dangerous precedent here. and marco rubio is now the face of that. >> yeah, absolutely. and it's honestly the fact that they are using what they're calling ai, whatever large language model they're using to scope through students social media or however they're going to do this to try to find people who are speaking in a way they don't like. it is such a clear and obvious first amendment violation that it's hard to see how long that will last, especially if you can say if any of these students who are affected by this can say this is they may say that there was a reason behind it, but it was both a violation of my first amendment rights and really arbitrary, like the fact that they're trying to use ai models to search out who are the bad guys is a bad sign for all of us, to be frank, but i feel like it's both going to be

ineffective and blow up in their face in terms of the legal battles they have to go through. once they actually say this person no longer can be in the country, can no longer go to school here, that i feel like is going to be a problem, especially if it turns out to be american citizens who they're looking for. yeah, who get pulled up during the state department search and get passed on their names, get passed on to whatever version the department of education becomes in the future on the trump administration. >> the dangerous thing here is the slippery slope that it sends us down right to this point, because you can be in a situation where, you know, they're testing this out now on international students who, some may argue, don't necessarily have a first amendment right if they're not american citizens, even if they are students here. but then you slowly begin to expand it. you say, hey, if we used ai on this case, then we can use it against other issues that we want to track and monitor, whether it's activists of black lives matter or equality in this country or what have you, they can just deem anything a national security threat and unleash this ai force

to police, social media and freedom of speech. >> i mean, i think it's dystopian. it's certainly authoritarian. and college is supposed to be the time where you learn how to push back on the boundaries of society, where you start to develop a sense of values and community with other people. so i think going after college protesters is in particular, just another example of the way the trump administration seeks to punish youth, seeks to punish exploration, seeks to punish people who are truly so young in their life that that they're learning still. i mean, that's the whole point of being in college, right, is to be able to have like a sheltered experience to try out the world a little bit first. i think it's very dangerous, and i don't see anywhere in here that he has said that there will be some due process offered to these folks. there will be some sort of way that they can appeal a decision if they were found to be pro-hamas, or that they were found to be deportable based on their social media. it's nonsense. and again, i think it seeks to punish the youth. >> and to bring it back to marco rubio here for a second. you know, this week he was the doge, to be specific, slashed this

organization that marco rubio once served on the board of a pro-democracy group. and the workers there feel that he's basically betrayed them. like, this is somebody who should know what we're about as an organization. they should know what we do here. and yet, rubio wasn't even able to stop doge from slashing the group. >> yeah, i think rubio was actually on the board of that group, which he really has a close connection to them. i mean, going back to the point about the students as well, though, this is something we have reported on a lot at teen vogue, especially, and also first person reporting from these students who have been impacted at these universities. we've seen it here in new york, at columbia, as well as across the nation. but i think, i mean, has rubio done anything at this point that shows he has any sort of power? i think he is completely a shadow secretary, or he is in the shadow of secretary of state at this point. yeah. >> do you want to predict whether he makes it four years or not? i mean, i know we're not in the business of predicting, but if you were just if you were to see what happened to rex tillerson, who was also at the time considered to be like one

of the more, you know, i guess i don't like to use this. i don't like to use that expression with donald trump, but it's just yeah. >> so it seems extremely unlikely. >> that he'll finish four years. >> extremely unlikely. >> but also i would have to say your thoughts. do you think he'll finish four years? >> i don't think he'll finish four years. i don't know the circumstances in which he'll leave, but it will not be when he wants to is my guess. >> what about you, v? >> yeah. i don't think marco is a quitter by any means. i think he'll certainly stay. perhaps even overstay his welcome there. there will be some sort of departure. potentially not his choice. >> so i'm going to say this really quickly. i just look at marco and being very politically craven. i mean, this was a man who was insulted by donald trump, as you said, he was called little marco, and yet he was willing to accept working for donald trump. after all those insults, i think he'll probably find a way to stay for the four years, because he just wants for his own political survival, you know? and who knows? all right, everyone, stick around. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we're going to talk about the pentagon's anti di purge, which gets more ridiculous by

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the word gay in its title. yes. if you don't know, the name of the plane is the enola gay. and the mother of an american pilot. so here's where we are as a country where we are scrubbing our own history, because the name of a woman who happened to be the mother of an american pilot is on the plane that dropped a nuclear bomb, and they're not scrubbing it, because the controversy of being a country that dropped the first and only nuclear bombs in war, it's because the word gay is part of their anti die crusade. >> on the one hand, i've always thought it was a little weird that the pilot of that plane named the plane after his mom. like how if i were enola, i'd feel weird about that. i'm just putting that out there right now. but again, this goes back to what we were talking about in the last segment about trying to use just basically search terms to try and enforce your worldview. yeah. people and things are going to get caught up in a way that you may not be intending because you're trying to do things without context. if

you're just searching for the word gay throughout all of the pentagon's files, you're going to find things like the enola gay, where outside of the context, yeah, sure. they're thinking, this is why we're getting rid of this. >> well, to your point, i mean, the apparently the purge targeted women and people of color the most, but of course, also singled out photos of other service members who had the last name gay. >> well, i want to talk about one of the most egregious things he did concerning his his idea of die, which also means renaming, renamed military bases. so one of the things that he did was rename fort benning, got renamed to fort moore, and he's now renamed it for a soldier he was able to find with the last name benning in an attempt to sort of erase it. the problem with that is in his anti die crusade, he has now discredited the one of the most iconic army families to ever exist, lieutenant hal moore and julianne moore, which the base

was named for heavily decorated vietnam world veteran and julianne moore, is the one who came up with essentially the gold star family project. like how we deliver the news of a service member falling, not sending a telegram in a cab, but rather sending two uniformed officers to inform the family. that's julianne moore. that's what that base was named for. and for him to go back and try to, like, own the libs or whatever it is by like making the name go away is just it's cowardly. it's a disgrace to the family. and to do this and pretend you're trying to honor a different colonel benning is also disgraceful to that person's legacy. so i think in their cruelty is the point sort of agenda here. they're continuing to do actual, real harm to people, and i just don't think it's anybody's idea of what they voted for. i don't think people voted for somebody to disgrace the moore family. >> yeah. and of course, i was going to say, you know, they're

not going to they're not going to show any sympathy to compassion, right? they're not going to allow somebody who came up with the idea of gold star family to be the face of, like, a compassionate military, because they want a culture of so-called warriors is what they're obsessed with. but the interesting thing here, and also the disappointing thing, is how quickly maga turned on trump justice amy coney barrett this week because she blocked about $2 billion of foreign aid, and now maga parts of the maga cult have turned on her, calling her a di hire. >> right? right. i mean, this is just such a good illustration of what they care about, which is loyalty. loyalty to trump, loyalty to their movement, what they think is right, and that white women, they're going to come for you too, if they disagree with you. >> like. >> no one is immune. >> at all. >> i know, and the white women, again, being a majority that did vote for trump, unlike every other women demographic group. but i think that the death threats that we're seeing, mike cernovich was tweeting awful stuff about amy coney barrett. a lot of leaders in the right wing media movement were saying,

calling her the d. i hire, saying awful things about her, saying she should be ousted. i'm sure it's escalated to death threats already because it often does. but this oversize reaction to this one ruling that she made this week, i do think it really illustrates the anger and the aggression in this movement and how illogical it is. >> and on the one hand, like republicans being disappointed in the supposedly arch conservative justices being appointed, that's not new like since the 1990s or before that. i feel like under reagan, i think it was souter who was appointed who they were like, this is going to be our guy. and it's like, no, he's going to do what he wants to do. yeah, that's what you get when you try. when you appoint a supreme court justice for life, they are going to make their own decisions. the fact that they're singling out barrett for this when mitch mcconnell, let's not forget, rushed to get her confirmed after ruth bader ginsburg died in the middle of the 2020 election season. the fact that they're turning on her now is just a rich irony to me

that this was the person they like. this is so important. we have to go back and what we're saying, we have to go back. what we're saying about what you can't have. a supreme court justice confirmed during an election year to get her in, and now they're upset because she is not going according to plan. >> let me let me play for you. yesterday, governor glenn youngkin, the university of virginia governing board of directors, basically did away with the eyes with the college's dei office. listen to what glenn youngkin, who supposedly a moderate republican, had to say about it. >> watch dei. >> is. >> done at the university of virginia. >> this is. a huge step. >> to. >> restoring the values of mr. jefferson, who founded the university, who understood that we are all created equal. >> so on one hand, you know, thomas jefferson owned 600 slaves. and on top of that, you know, they've totally made dei into this, like, shape shifting thing. they just use it for whatever they want at any given moment. like it doesn't even

mean anything anymore to maga. it's just like, we will use this as broad of a stroke or as broad of a brush to stroke whatever we want away from our agenda. >> it's a new boogeyman, but it's even broader and more vague than the last ones that they came up with. right. and the idea that they are doing something is the dei. we're getting rid of dei. we're getting rid of an imaginary issue. it doesn't make sense. and i think a lot of the stuff that they're doing is because they don't have a plan that improves the lives of everyday americans. what people voted for was america first. if they voted for the maga agenda, and that agenda promised that eggs were going to go down, that cars would be affordable, that jobs would come back, and instead what we got is rid of dei, which in some cases has meant firing 81,000 employees at the va, some of whom are veterans. veterans are part of dei. it's like women, racial minorities, ethnic minorities and veterans. right. and they forget that part. and then they sort of like freak out and go back and it's like, you are wasting our time, guys. we are tired. we can't keep doing

this like this. >> yeah. it's like i said, i mean, i think they just use dei now for whatever they don't like. they just don't have the ability to explain it. so they're just like, hey, put it under the dei. >> happened with critical race theory. it happened with woke. they just every single one. they every year they pick a new one. >> the difference being that dei was something that was actually in government documents, so they can actually find it and actually look it and say like this is a real thing as opposed. >> to keyword search. >> yes, exactly. >> right. all right, all right. nobody go anywhere. we're going to take a quick break on the other side of it. we're going to talk about maggie's takeover of talk about maggie's takeover of the kennedy center, one o come on. you should go to t-mobile, and they'll give you a brand new iphone 16 on them. shhh! go to t-mobile, and get iphone 16 with apple intelligence on us on our most popular plans. plus get up to $800 when you switch. ♪♪ mike had a heart attack a year ago. plus get up to $800 when you switch. but he's still.. living in the red. with a very high risk of another attack. with his risk factors his recommended ldl-c level should be below 55. are you at risk? learn how to get a free ldl-c test at attackheartdisease.com.

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americans, see you, lin. well, they certainly will. probably just not at the kennedy center. your thoughts on this? i mean, grenell was at one point touted to be the secretary of state, and now he is trading barbs with lin-manuel miranda, probably one of the most liked, artistic and creative voices in this country. >> well, i think the national theater in d.c. is going to have a heck of a year, you know, because a lot of shows that can will probably move from the kennedy center over to the national. and speaking of theater, if there's one show that they're going to do at the kennedy, perhaps it should be cabaret, which is the story set in berlin with the young, sort of wide eyed actress who, after the nazis take over the theater, she goes back and she thinks it's going to be like, you know, old times. and she realizes that the party is over. i think a lot of these performers are canceling, and rightfully so, because you don't want to perform your art, which is a very intimate experience for a room full of people who don't share your values, who are there

to take from you and not give back the way the audience often gives to the actors who are on stage. it's a reciprocal relationship, so i completely stand by the folks who are saying, you know what, we're not going to be going to the kennedy center. but i do feel very bad for all of the incredibly talented people who work at the kennedy center, the crew, the stage directors, all of those folks, even the concessions people who will miss out on work because of donald trump's little pr stunt he's doing, making himself the head of the center. >> what do you make of all of this that's taking place? i mean, the role of culture. and you certainly write a lot about this and over at teen vogue. but it's such an interesting conversation about the role of creatives and artists and playwrights and musicians in our national discourse, because now there's like team maga and those that are opposing it, like people like lin-manuel miranda, who say, as you were saying, my art. i don't want my art showcased at an institution that has been taken over by this ideology. >> yeah, i think issa rae was actually one of the first people who canceled performances, sold out performances. >> six, i believe 26 scheduled performances. hamilton is just one of 26 scheduled performances

that have been canceled. >> yeah, so she had sold out performances at the kennedy center, and she pulled out. and i think it's completely understandable seeing what has happened to the board, what's happening with ric grenell, who i think he's supposed to be interim director, as you said, but he's calling himself president of the kennedy center because of course he is. but i actually remember back in 2016, after the election when trump won, mike pence went to hamilton on broadway, and then one of the actors addressed him, you know, took the opportunity to speak to him directly in the audience and say how a lot of americans were feeling. again, that was the election where he did lose the popular vote as well, and it became a whole controversy. so, i mean, the hamilton trump beef is like ten years strong now. it's long. >> it's such a good point. and but also to your point, laura ingraham, maria bartiromo now on the board of directors, i mean, it's just a very you know, you want to you want to see i don't mind if you would have brought in people from, you know. >> who are the maga artists. >> no, i was i was just going to. no, i was going to say, is that even about the maga

artists? i was going to say, you know, you can find people in this country that are respected, but not necessarily on the on the they're not the kid rocks of the world, and they're not like the lee greenwood's of the world. but there are people out there that you could probably find. and he didn't do that. he found, like laura ingraham and. yeah, right. >> like the idea of giving your your allies a signature position, basically a place where you're saying, here's a title and nothing else. enjoy. that's i get it. but to do that to the kennedy center, a place where there are. so there's such a rich history of art, there's such a rich number of people in the country who previously would have been overwhelmed to get the chance to be on the board of the kennedy center, helping direct such a major institution in america's culture. the fact that you're right, that he could not find people willing to do it, who had any connection with the arts at all, that he went just to his, like deep allies who would never say a bad word

against him. it's a it's a reward for being loyal instead of helping benefit the arts. and that is what. >> i was going to say. fox is more than just allies. take a listen to what jesse watters said pretty bluntly about the pipeline from fox to the trump world. look. >> i'm very happy for them, but. >> i'm also. >> a little jealous because i feel like everybody's getting things ambassadorships, ward seats, cabinet positions. i only asked for a statue. it doesn't have to be life size. just putting it out there as long as people are getting things. >> so he's joking. but the reality of it is, you know, deep down inside he's like, what? yeah, he's he's. >> like. >> yeah, he definitely wanted something. but it does. it does speak to the moment that we find ourselves in former fox pete hegseth. now, you know, secretary of defense, you've got maria bartiromo, kimberly guilfoyle at one point, she's now ambassador to greece. so

this pipeline from fox to trump world is real. and jesse watters feels left out. >> poor jesse, i mean. >> he's not even getting the interviews. he's not even getting the big interviews with trump anymore. i mean, you know, he's got like he's losing out to sean hannity and even elon musk sat down with him. >> well, they got tucker back now. >> yeah. >> they got tucker who could just come in and be around now. so you know that's how that goes. but i think it shows. again, the man is not building an administration that is set to serve the people. he is building a television show. he selected entertainers, people from tv, people who are propagandists to try and either destroy institutions and replace them with like a trumpified whatever version of whatever we're going to get is, or to simply just keep up the line that he wants to keep up. i mean, if you look at the social media for the real white house account and whatnot, that is indicative that there is there is a whole lot of fox ification that's gone on with that as well. >> it's true that, i mean, if you notice the white house instagram account, i mean, it has become a very bizarre dear

leader type of account. it's not about even information anymore. it's just about parroting. and this kind of like propaganda of whatever trump wants at the moment and kind of glorifying him. this is like straight out of an authoritarian playbook. he made himself the president of a cultural institution and all of our kind of social media accounts, which are supposed to be public facing information sharing accounts, are all dear leader, donald trump. >> yeah, it's just turning into complete right wing media. i'm sure you saw the valentine's day post that he had that was about deporting people. and i mean, i think people are shocked and continue to be shocked. maybe we shouldn't at this point. i mean, we've known him for how long. >> but we can't normalize it, right? like, that's the thing. even if we see it every day and we kind of, you know, make fun of it, at the end of the day, we just have to keep reminding ourselves this belongs to the american people. it should not belong to one individual at any given moment. right. all right. we're going to squeeze in a quick break. next up donald trump's $5 million golden visa program. >> black bag. >> has vanity fair.

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trump is taking a wrecking ball to that message by putting american citizenship up for sale for the small price of $5 million, foreign investors can buy a gold card, basically a gold card visa with a fast track path to citizenship. this ultra wealthy group is allowed to skip the line. basically, even as there is a backlog of nearly 4 million immigration cases in this country, and the trump administration ramps up mass deportations. while all of this is happening, they are now targeting migrant families with children. so a very stark contrast this week between i mean, i guess it's like out in the open now, right? it's like if you have money, you can come into this country. if you are a hard working, poor migrant with kids, you're going to a detention center so we can deport you as quick as possible. >> right. and i was working on a piece about immigration this week, and an editor of mine pointed out i had a line in there about how trump is letting people skip the line. and he

pointed out like that implies there's an actual line, an ordered line. it's more of a maze that people have to navigate. and what trump is doing is saying, if you're rich or i'm sure we'll get to this, if you are a white south african farmer, you'll just be able to open a door through the maze and cut straight through to. that's your clear line path to citizenship. that is such a it's such a disservice to the people who have been told time and again, if you want to come to this country, do it legally. wait in line, wait your turn. and especially the people who have had legal protections here and are now, those are now being stripped away, making them vulnerable to deportation. >> the south africa thing is very interesting. i'm going to come back to that in a moment. but, you know, i just want to get your thoughts on this because you contrast this to donald trump, to joe biden. when the ukraine war happened, this country was prepared to take in thousands of ukrainian refugees. and even some people criticized

joe biden. he did take in refugees from other conflicts around the world and asylum seekers. right. donald trump comes in. he's now removing the temporary protective status for ukrainians. he wants them out of the country. he did it. he took it away from venezuelans, haitians. but he's willing to let south africans, white south africans who are now feeling this threat, apparently to come straight to america, as well as anyone with $5 million. >> not just that, when he announced this, a journalist asked him specifically if russian oligarchs could buy these gold card visas and he said, yeah, yeah, i know some russian oligarchs that are very nice people. like, of course he said that. and of course he does. like he's so open and brazen about some of the discrimination and some of the benefits that he's trying to get. and i think, you know, you mentioned how migrant families with children are also being targeted. we've seen a lot of uncertainty around the possibility of ice showing up to schools, either to target students whose parents were undocumented or who may be undocumented themselves. and

we've done some reporting on that at teen vogue, talking to teachers, talking to students who are teaching their students to know their rights if ice were to show up. but just the anxiety and the fear of that happening is actually having some parents keep their children home from school. it's just another negative impact of this whole policy. >> and the cruelty is the point. as we were saying earlier, what do you make of this contrast this week that we saw me? you're going to probably see an influx of not just russian oligarchs, perhaps chinese officials and the saudi billionaires. and, you know, who knows who else is coming from south america that may want to come in and put $5 million. if you've got $5 million in a bank somewhere in south america that you can deposit in an american bank and come here, why not. like $5 million is a lot of money, but it's not. when you consider the value of an american experience. right. the idea like. and who's getting the $5 million? he hasn't exactly said we're going to put we're going to let 10,000 people pay $5 million, and that's going to go to funding

better schools or fixing potholes on the road. again, i'm kind of like, does he think he gets to keep that? and another group that he's attacking is the afghan sivs. the special immigration visas for folks in afghanistan who, while we occupied afghanistan, acted as our interpreters, as guides, as security for american forces. these are people who all but served in the united states military during our occupation of afghanistan. we brought them here to protect them because otherwise they would be killed. and he's saying he's going to i don't really care about the afghan sivs anymore. this man has no loyalty. he also lies. he says, okay, well, these people will be rich and they'll come in and they'll pay a bunch of money in taxes. not under the tax plan that i saw. under the tax plan, i saw they get billions of dollars in breaks and the average person gets a couple hundred bucks, you know. so again, are we going to come back to cruelty's the point. >> i was going to say, are we going to care where they get the $5 million from? do we like audit? like who. >> yeah. >> are we like if we get like an afghan opium trader who wants to come in with his $5 million, is

he going to be allowed to jump the line? while the sivs who worked with our dod are not going to be able to. >> and foreign nationals are already paying millions of dollars to like, wine and dine him at mar-a-lago. mar-a-lago, right. like the trump hotels, everything that's been happening, he's literally opening every avenue possible that he has to foreign money. >> let me get your thoughts on the jobs report yesterday. this is what donald trump said about it. watch this. >> for the first time in 15 months, the job gains for native born americans, for american people, people born in america exceeded job gains for migrant and foreign born workers. >> i don't know about that classification. i've never seen that classification made in this country before. and yet now he's making a native born classification for the jobs report to single out people who are not. i don't understand what's the point behind that. >> yeah, i've never seen that before. even in the most insane rhetoric of let me. immigrants are coming to take our jobs.

>> people always try to spin jobs, report numbers. but this was like this took it to a whole new. >> level, especially since it was not a particularly good jobs report. right? it was a mediocre one at best. so for him to, like, try and split off and try and find that win of native born versus foreign born. yeah. for one, that phrasing implies that anyone who has come as an immigrant and is a citizen or permanent resident doesn't get counted at their jobs. >> native born. i have a job here. does that count? >> like apparently not. >> let's not forget the first lady also. right. and her immigration story. >> exactly. so him trying to spin that out does not say good things about what he's going to do for future jobs reports in terms of trying to spin the numbers in his favor. >> that moment reminded me of the first first, like 2016 inauguration, when sean spicer came out, i was like, the crowds were the largest this country has ever seen. and it was just like, bro, what are you doing? the job? the jobs report. yeah, exactly. the jobs report. the numbers don't lie. all right, everyone, please stick around.

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>> going to hold the line. don't miss the weekends, saturday. >> and sunday mornings. >> at. >> 8:00 on msnbc. >> all right, it's time now for our worst of the week. and it goes to democrats for allowing congressman al green to stand alone when he disrupted trump's address to lawmakers. yes, some democrats displayed defiant signs, i guess, and some congresswomen wore pink. but no other democrat actually joined green in actually derailing trump's speech. and to make it worse, ten of them joined in their gop colleagues attempts to censure green. and yet, democrats still had the audacity to gather around green to sing the gospel anthem we shall overcome. how exactly were they overcoming anything? i have no idea. so, thoughts on this one, hayes? actually, let me play for you a little bit of al green's

interview on the breakfast club. watch this. >> if you put your your energy and effort, your deposits, if you will, into the democratic bank, you expect your return to come from the democratic bank. yes. and if the republican bank does something for you, you're not going to reject that. but you put your deposits in the democratic bank. when the democratic bank did not return, give them return on investment. then persons lost their enthusiasm. so i don't blame people who lost their enthusiasm because we didn't honor what we said. >> your thoughts on the whole green situation? >> so al green's been a real one since the first trump administration he has introduced. i've lost count of how many impeachment resolutions he introduced against donald trump. he has been saying for the longest time now that this man cannot be trusted with power. so i'm not surprised at all when it when i learned when

we were watching the address and we're like, who is it? who is making it? oh, it's al green. that makes total sense to me. that makes 100% sense. what doesn't make sense to me is the reported distress that democratic house democratic leaders had, that al green went beyond what they said. oh, we're just wearing we're color coordinating. they're even mad at the people who were holding up those signs, which really goes to show you how much they're trying to put stakes in decorum and act. and honestly, respectability politics versus actually showing themselves to be an opposition party to the trump administration. >> and they were standing there afterwards singing we shall overcome. and yet at the same time, completely forgetting the point, i guess forgetting history. when marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert stood up there yelling at joe biden during his state of the union address, and democrats, ten of them, ten of them, voted with the republicans to censure al green. >> my mother used to say, you have to be the bigger person.

and i hated that because i don't want to be the bigger person when somebody is bullying you. right. like, and i think that that advice may have somehow made its way to the democratic party, where they're like, we're not going to engage in personalities, we're going to hold decorum. we're going to be so ladylike and gentlemanly, and you can't do that when the other side is not reciprocating that same level of respect. so i think it it came off as cringe. that's how the kids would call it. and i think a lot of it is we're asking for room to lead, not for older people to go away. we need them to be mentors and be here as a safety net and help guide. but you got to pass the reins over and let young people, you know, express themselves and govern. >> and if you're waiting for and hoping that the democrats were going to fight. well, you haven't seen this video, so we're going to play this one for you and get your reaction to it. watch this video of the democrats on tiktok. >> choose your character.

>> oh my god, i just can't. every time i watch that, i just want. >> to know. it's iconic, even it's iconic. >> i can see. >> how someone. >> this is how young people are meeting politicians. this is how they're meeting them, though. i mean, this is like a trend on tiktok. and this is an underneath. it had a little thing. it was cringe for us. but to somebody, for the very first time they saw somebody, maybe it was cringe enough that they tuned in and they watched and they read a little bit. we could hope. right? >> so it's kind of like what you're saying is if you go cringe very far, cringe, it actually comes back to being effective. >> yeah, yeah yeah. >> that's that's possible. i am not i am not i am not a cool kid. so i could definitely i do not know that. but i will take your word for it. you are definitely way hipper and cooler than me, but what do you what do you make of that strategy of the democrats on tiktok? trying. i don't know what's the somebody thought that was good. so i'm like genuinely wondering, like, are they trying to appeal to young people? and do those young people know who street fighter

is? they do. yes they do. >> they hundred percent. >> thing that they were doing. yes, that is true. >> i was a little surprised to see aoc and jasmine crockett were in there. i will note gen z congressman maxwell frost was not in that video for whatever that's worth. and he actually quietly. but he did walk out of trump's state of the union on tuesday as well with jasmine crockett. but i think, look, they're trying everything. i think democrats are just throwing things at the wall and trying to see what sticks, especially with young people. >> no, i mean, i want them to fight. i want them to fight. and if they want to have a little fun while they're doing it, that's okay. but i just want to make sure that they're not just doing the viral videos and not doing more of the fighting. >> one of the smartest things i've seen is that you have schumer and jeffries, especially acting like legislative leaders, not necessarily political leaders. they're not acting like they are trying to lead the party broadly. they're still waiting for someone else to become the flagbearer of the democratic party. and until that happens, we're going to get this sort of we're going to try and appeal to like the lowest common

denominator masses to be like, we're still in this. while it's true they don't have legislative power right now, but political power, you want to see them trying to push back harder to have a stronger message than here we are. we promise that we exist still. >> yeah. i mean, unless you look, you have the chris murphy's out there who are kind of like ringing the alarm bells and they're on their twitter. >> and their sanders. >> yeah. and bernie sanders, that's. so you now have like a kind of a few different types of what i would say, like democratic attempts to kind of grow the base. bernie sanders is out there campaigning for chris murphy is doing his thing. and now you've got like the viral choose your fighter videos, but who am i? all right, well. >> you're forgetting senator slotkin too, though. i mean, she did the response, which i think i thought was pretty good because she's a person who won. and also people who voted for her voted for donald trump. so she was showing that it's still possible to come back. >> all right. thank you so much for that v v spear versus hayes brown. thank you for joining us here on sag. really appreciate it. thank you for making time

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