some of the things you hope that viewers take away from this documentary that they learned from it? >> i'd like them to enter into the mystery. >> i'd like them to think about the issues involved with manson. was this a government program? was he a programed assassin or. if you like, was just this about a group of idiots bumbling through. >> crime after crime? >> we should note that the documentary was just recently named a new york times critics pick, and it is now streaming now on netflix. and that is it for us this weekend. we're back tomorrow morning live at 6 a.m. eastern to kick off a brand new week of morning joe. we'll see you then. thanks for watching. enjoy the rest of your weekend. >> good morning. >> it is sunday.

>> march 9th. >> i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele. >> today, republicans. >> released their stopgap spending. >> bill, and. >> democrats soundly reject that plan. congresswoman rosa delauro joins our table. plus, canada stands up to trump's tariff chaos. we'll talk to the canadian finance minister about the country's next moves. and democracy on the line in a crucial swing state where the race for a seat on the wisconsin supreme. court is going to have national implications. if it feels extra early. >> it's. >> because it is. grab your coffee. settle in, and welcome to. >> the weekend. >> folks. >> donald trump promised a booming economy under his second administration, but now all that bluster is meeting reality. friday's jobs report missed the mark. the united states added 151,000 new jobs last month, and that was short of expectations

and even more of elon musk's dodge layoffs will show up in the next jobs report. the mass firings could also stress the unemployment system. meantime, overall layoffs are at the highest level since 2020 during the pandemic. as for the stock market, you know how the president loves the stock market. well, it just suffered its worst week since september amid trump's chaotic trade threats. as for congress, republicans have less than a week to avoid a costly government shutdown. joining us now to discuss it all is msnbc political analyst basil schmeichel. he's a professor of practice at columbia university and the former executive director of the new york state democratic party. also with us is political strategist lucy caldwell. she served as campaign manager for joe walsh in the 2020 republican presidential primary. >> welcome. good morning everybody. happy one hour ahead to both of you. hope you're surviving that like we're trying to survive this, this, this economy that's you know, we're told on the one hand, basil is just, like, going to be the greatest thing ever, and yet not

so much. >> listen to. >> donald trump and some of his economic sycophants talk about where we are. >> tariffs are about making america rich again and making america great again. and it's happening and it will happen rather quickly. there'll be a little disturbance, but we're okay with that. there could be some disturbance, a little bit of disturbance. >> the market. >> and the economy. >> have just. >> become hooked. >> and we become addicted to this government spending. and there's going to be a detox period. >> you're going. >> to see the. >> stock market explode. >> and if it doesn't do it tomorrow, that's because people just don't understand that they should be betting on donald trump. >> a little bit of disturbance. >> and betting on the guy who couldn't even run a casino. i'm not so inclined. but to simmons point, the stock market is. not booming. it has. the dow fell 2.4% last week. the nasdaq

composite. slid 3.5% last. >> week. >> and the s&p dropped. >> 3.1% last week. so this is a. precursor of what's to come because basil that 151,000 jobs that was created. no one's talking about the number of folks that were laid off. that's going to explode in the next month as more and more of these federal workers who've been laid off. apply for unemployment. and all of that unfolds on the economy. how do you see the economic position. >> 30. >> 45 days out from now, given the track that doge and trump have put the economy on? >> well, i do. think it's going to worsen. i mean. >> you had. >> secretary lutnick even float that we should be taking some of the government metrics out of the gdp. right. because there is this growing sense that the numbers are going to be really problematic in the in the short term and likely in the long term. >> one of the. >> things that. >> i would say and i noticed from, you know, the secretary of

treasury's comments and secretary nick's comments, is that they're not focusing exactly on the numbers. right. they're focusing a lot on believe. >> in donald trump. >> that sort of that's the metric that they go by. it's this feeling that you've got to believe in your guy. and that's. one thing that i believe that democrats should take away from this, because we talked a lot about the metrics and the biden administration, but we didn't talk enough about sort of belief in the plan and the future and the. people who were invested in that plan and moving the economy and the country forward. and so as as democrats start to call attention to what's happening now in the economy, it's going to be incredibly important to amplify the individual stories of people who are actually being affected, people who are being laid off, families that. >> are. >> in economic turmoil and actually bring the unions to the table to help tell that story. >> i mean, lucy, you. >> have trump and his allies. acknowledging and hinting at the. >> economic pain. >> that could.

>> be forthcoming. >> this is from our colleagues at nbc. while trump and top administration officials have framed any economic pain from their policies as. short term hits that are necessary to improve the economy in the long run, their comments. >> go. >> against the optimistic, fast fix. rhetoric trump deployed on. >> the. >> campaign trail. trump said in august that on his first day in office, he would, quote, end inflation and make america affordable again. and he. >> denied that tariffs. >> would raise prices for consumers. i just wonder how quickly. >> lucy. >> you start. >> seeing the response. >> among american voters. >> well. >> i think we're not. >> sure how quickly we'll see the response. >> obviously, there are some races later in this cycle, like the virginia gubernatorial and other. races that will be bellwethers. to some degree. >> the supreme. >> court case. >> in wisconsin. >> that i know you all are talking about today as well, but i think that part of what we have to raise alarm around is the fact that. >> this is chaos. >> theory, right? there is no unifying theory of change. people who are credible economists can make the case for

austerity measures. other countries after the great recession implemented austerity measures and in some cases had good results. there is a tack to take from an economic policy perspective to suggest, you know, tightening the reins, cuts, that sort of thing. but those have to be done in a way that makes sense. they have to be done in a way that is a unifying theory of change, not it's a detox. so it's a roller coaster. oh, it'll who knows? you know, sort of just this random chaos of these people, but the chaos of the economic policy is inextricably linked to the authoritarianism. >> of. >> this administration. and i think sometimes we take these two things two pieces. right. like donald trump is a bad guy autocrat. we know that the economic policy is just just sort of incompetence. they're actually the same thing. so to the point about lutnick saying something like, well, just have to believe in our guy, just have to get behind the guy. that's how fascists talk. the. >> the, the. >> the echo chamber where donald

trump does something stupid. and then a bunch of ceos go and say, please, you're going to crater our economy if you add these tariffs. and then he goes back, he's like, oh, just kidding, i'm doing something else. and then we praise him. we shouldn't be praising him. we should be continuing to call him out, because that is the sort of little saucer of milk that fascists and autocrats do to normalize just taking, just destroying the fabric of our institutions, including our economy. so i would just say, if we're helping voters to get prepared for showing up at the ballot box down the line around these issues, we need them to know that this is all just a different side of the same coin. >> well. >> where is it? sunday. >> it's sunday. >> yeah. >> she did she did a. >> little. >> little church right there. >> we appreciate. >> it very much on this. >> sunday morning. >> thank you very much. >> you know. >> i just. >> i feel this. >> isn't the same for me. >> as the economic conversation during the biden administration, because what the biden administration did is they they

instituted some economic policies that would not have been seen for a while, like people just at the top of this year, the what they did in terms of negotiating drug prices, for example, that did not come into effect until the top of this year. and so donald trump was the president at the top of this year, not joe biden. you get what i'm saying? what's happening now is people are feeling it viscerally right away. if you lose your job, that's immediate, okay. if you the threat of not getting your social security check, that is immediate, that is something you are greatly concerned about and you are keyed in and tuned in. and so a lot of the things that are happening with the economy stands the stock market. right, because there's a certain group of people that look at the stock market and gdp, but, you know, folks sitting in kenosha, wisconsin, they their top priority is not necessarily is the s&p up, but it is are my wages up. am i going to get paid this week. can i pay my bills right. basil. so that to me is

the reality of governing running into the rhetoric of campaigning? >> well, it's. >> i mean, i've talked. >> about this before. >> it's been theater, right? you have elon musk talk, talk, you know, taking a buzzsaw, you know, and literally and figuratively to, to a stage and saying, we're going to cut, cut, cut. and that's real people behind all of that. and one of the things that i'd love to see amplified more is the legal strategy that democrats have employed to actually fight for people's jobs in, in the real, in real time, that they've actually been a lot of legal victories that democrats can, can, can talk about because they have been the party that said, look, we are going to actually try to keep people in their jobs. we're going to we're going to keep government running. we're going to make sure that all those people that have very particularly in government, that have these very specific, highly specialized jobs are there to help you be safe and secure that there is there is a strategy

behind that and be their actual victories from that strategy. and yes, what's happening right now, you're seeing these this real immediate to the earlier point, this real immediate shakeup of people's lives tied to authoritarianism and tied to this really, in many ways, sort of rancid rhetoric. and what that's done is it's created this chaos that, you know, there has to be some measure on the other side that's. >> kind of. >> bringing it together and telling people, look, we, you know, there is a party out here that actually understands good governance and to kind of keep reflecting those themes. >> lucy, speaking of running the government this friday, it runs out of money. so i like that. >> it's just i don't like running out of money. >> well, but you know, it's. >> it's just yeah. >> i try but here's the deal. you got. >> speaker mike. >> johnson unveiling his funding bill that he believes will get passed. headlines are noting

it's unclear if the votes are there to pass in. >> either chamber, as. >> it was not negotiated with democrats. >> making it an important test. >> for the new republican. trifecta on a must pass bill that requires bipartisan backing to become law. >> the reality. >> of it is johnson likely wants to get this in front of the congress. for a vote on tuesday. money runs out on friday. are the votes there? >> i think it's. >> hard to say, and i. >> think that. >> certainly it's an important. >> first test culturally around how these republicans are going to do business. i continue to think that democrats are engaged in an asymmetrical warfare with these republicans, where they are still trying to make the case that in a, in a, in a paradigm. that would require us to believe that republicans are reasonable and rational and coming to the table, and that we there are good republicans who are out there who are just going to come policy make. newsflash, mitch mcconnell is basically one of our leading republican members of the resistance. so that's where we are. so i think

that it's really going to become incumbent on democrats this week as we go to the hill and start hearing arguments for and against that, they really get out there loudly and aggressively. i think that people like brian schatz are doing a fantastic job of doing this, but we need to channel more of those voices. we need to channel more of these voices to show exactly what's going on with people like mike johnson, with elon musk, that this is just chaos. there is no unifying plan, and they will burn the country into the ground, you know, out of service to dear leader, elon and donald. so buckle up. >> i am bringing the shade on a sunday morning. you should have seen simmons face. >> it was. >> it was good. basil smikle and lucy caldwell, thank you both very, very much. really appreciate it. up next, folks, we'll talk to a business owner about the impact of all of these tariffs, donald trump's tariffs on his company past the. >> anyone anyone. >> the tariff bill, the

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>> mounting questions over the future of tiktok in the u.s. >> reporting from. >> philadelphia. >> el paso. >> and. >> the. >> palisades, virginia. >> from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. >> president trump's first 100 days watch. >> i'm going to be here five days a week again. >> read and listen. >> staying up half the night. >> reading executive. >> orders for this defining time in the second trump presidency. stay with msnbc. >> small business owners are struggling to keep up with. >> donald trump's. >> erratic trade threats. >> the new york times reports. >> quote. trump's targeting of. >> china has. >> thrown millions of small businesses. >> into turmoil. >> one entrepreneur told the times, quote, it's very fine to say we're going to put these tariffs in place to bring jobs back to america, but that assumes america has the capability. to make your product that that business leader, chris

markowski joins us now. he's the chief executive human of human gear, a san francisco based company that makes travel and campaigning products. i love that quote. >> it was a great quote. >> it's a great quote. and we. >> will get into. >> that, because. >> i think this. >> question of what it would actually require to bring manufacturing back. >> to america. >> is separate and apart from the tariff chaos that we are seeing. chris. so first, tell us about. >> your business, sort of how you. >> manufacture your products and what all of these decisions from donald trump mean for your business. >> yeah. >> so human gear. >> is an. 18 year. old consumer. >> products company. >> we make. >> outdoor and travel accessories. >> we've been. sold nationwide. >> in premier. >> retailers like rei, the container store, whole foods, target, and we've been in thousands. >> of independent shops. >> we do all the design and development here in america, and we work. >> with some very. >> skilled people. >> over. >> in china to make. >> these products. so i looked years ago when i was starting

this company and making our products in the us, and the costs were just, you know, way too high. it would have cost 3 or 4 times what i think people would have been. willing to. pay for those products. so we went to china. we've had some great. relationships and partnerships, and it's allowed. >> us to grow. >> this business and i think make some of the best products in the world. and you know, these tariffs now are just they're incredibly unhelpful. >> there's just inject. >> a great amount of uncertainty into this business. it seems like this tariff policy if you can call it that, it changes by the hour, if not the day. and so i looked. i figured i would go through the exercise and see if we could make something in america. >> now this. >> is our go bites utensil. it's a it's a combination fork and spoon again sold at rei nationwide. and i figured okay, let's check it out. let's see if someone can make this in america. i contacted not one, not two, but. six us injection molding companies. four never

responded to me, and the other two spent about two months asking me all sorts of questions and needing all sorts of details. and eventually it petered out and i never could even get a quote. so from where i stand, there just isn't the interest in making these products in the us. >> oh my. >> that actually raises a very. >> interesting question, because i know there's been a lot of emphasis, chris, on on, you know, manufacturing and we've allowed our manufacturing to basically go offshore. and now everybody is complaining and whining about, you know, oh, you know, we. >> you. >> know, we want to have it made in america. donald trump doesn't clearly know how a car is made today. and, you know, talking about, well, we need it all made here. well, no, you can't have it all made here for the exact reason you just laid out the infrastructure to make. it is not in place, as. >> you noted. >> in your quote. >> the capability to make the product just isn't here. so

where. do we turn that corner now? as an entrepreneur and business. >> owner. as a. >> you know, someone who's got a product that needs to be manufactured, you have to go to do it. and there are economic reasons for that. how do you turn the economics around so that you can, when you make that call, have someone actually manufacture the product that you want to sell? well. >> that's a that's a very big question. and i you know, i'm not i may not be the best person. you may need to talk to an economist about how you get jobs back here. but i mean, if you look at, you know, you know, think about all the small general stores and mom and pop shops that were across america decades ago. and, you know, there's walmart now and people are not willing to pay the prices for that independence, that people want low prices and they want reasonable quality, and that's what they've gotten. so, you know, i think there's possibly, you know, could i find a an injection molding company here in america to make a go

bikes, you know, probably. but, you know, i think we may have the capability certainly. we have a lot of technical expertise. i just don't think this is a focus for, for this country. now, you know, mass manufacturing, labor intensive products. we just don't focus on that. and, you know, you'd have to talk to economists about why that is. but china is very, very good at this. and we have a long relationship with them. they make great products. they've taken my business very seriously for 18 years. and you know, i'm not we're small. we're a very small company. but, you know, we're sold in major retailers across america, across the world. and when i can't get a call back from a company saying, you know, can you make this simple product, i don't know what to say. it just seems like there's not the interest and that, you know, i have to i have to figure out how to make it work. so we're going to make it work in china. that's, that's that's what we're going to do. and we're going to raise our prices to accommodate these. tariffs, like any sane economist will tell you is going to happen.

>> so you're going. you are planning to raise your prices. what does that mean for the consumers that either they go to your website, which i was just on your website scrolling. next time i go glamping, i know where to go. or folks that go to rei. what? what does that mean for the consumers? >> well, it. >> you know, it means they're going to pay more. they're going to pay more for these products. and, you know, no one wants to hear that. no one likes that. but that's the reality. if you're going to, you know, if i import $100,000 of go tubes into america now, it's going to cost me $20,000 more to import it. you know, this whole policy is based, in my view, on a fallacy and a fantasy. the fallacy is that the foreign country pays for these tariffs. wrong. i'm a us citizen with a us company. i'm the one paying for these tariffs. and my only recourse is to pass this on to the consumers. so that's what i'm going to do. and that's the fallacy. the fantasy is that you're going to bring these jobs back to america with these tariffs. i'm sorry they're not coming back. it's just not you

know, it's just not happening. and i've tried i tried my best to see if we can make this here. and there was zero interest in it. so i think it's a fallacy and a fantasy. and yeah, consumers are going to see higher prices that every other entrepreneur i know that makes products overseas, particularly in china, is looking at a price increase right now. and so it's coming. there's a wave of price increases coming. >> chris makovsky, thank you very much for your time and your insight this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you so. >> much for. >> having me, folks. >> thank you. >> canada's finance minister, dominic leblanc, will discuss how his country is dealing with these tariffs. but next. elon musk's doge is at the social security administration. oh, you don't want to miss this one. you're watching the weekend. >> play. >> blink relief.

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>> the washington. >> post reports that the acting head of the social. >> security administration, leland. >> dudek, plans to slash. around 12% of. >> the agency's workforce. >> that's about 7000 jobs. dudek is also looking to close regional social security offices all around this country, a. move that could lead to. longer wait times for beneficiaries. the post. >> reports that dudek puts the blame for. >> those cuts on d.o.j. >> and. >> admits that. d.o.j. people are. >> learning and will make mistakes. >> dudek also admitted. >> d.o.j. is filled with, quote, outsiders who are unfamiliar with the nuances of ssa programs. what could possibly go wrong? >> i are okay. >> 7000 people. so we they've decided that these 7000 people have basically just been functionaries in the government and don't do anything. they just show up and sit at a desk all day long and refuse to answer phones. is that is that basically what they're saying? >> well, unless you're in. >> oklahoma, because there was a congressman who has social security administration offices

in his district who petitioned to doge and the federal government and said, no, no, no, don't close these in my district. these are jobs that my constituents need. and then he posted on his social media on the site formerly known as twitter that, oh, thanks to conversations with doge, i have saved the, you know, social security administration office in this particular district. and i think it was chris murphy that made the point that this is the problem with what is going on with this administration and why he talks about the threat of our losing our democracy. you have to bend the knee and it's like, oh, please, dear leader, please government, let me keep this. and so you've got republicans who are able to negotiate their way back for their constituents. you have democrats that can't. meanwhile, are people going to get their social security checks next month? >> well, yeah. well, because you don't know who these 7000 people are. they don't know who these 7000 people are, and they don't know exactly the impact that they're going to have on the social security system. so your question is, is a real question,

because even. >> if you say yes. >> they'll get their check next month. okay. well, how is that. process affected? will it be later. because it's on a, on a, you know, on a cycle, you know, first of the month those checks land in bank accounts. who, who is now going to monitor that process to make sure that any glitches are handled and processed correctly, etc. so yeah, this. >> is a. >> this whole. idea of. you know, to your point about the congressman going in. >> to. >> doge and begging them to spare his little social security office in his district reminds me of, you know, that period in history where you would go and you petition the king, since dona king, and you would beg the king. >> to have mercy. >> so that you could move your farm or, you know, work your farm a little bit differently or do whatever you need to do. this is what we've come to. and i don't understand why republicans are allowing this to play out this way, because it's impacting your own people. and yet.

>> one of the most heartbreaking things i have heard is, i think, among people. who are. >> clear eyed and are watching what is happening, saying, well, i hope that people who receive social security are able. >> to save. >> in the. next few months, in case all of a sudden payments are delayed. do you know how older. >> people in this. >> country live? if they had the capacity to. >> be saving money. >> would be in a different place? >> we're talking. >> about money. >> that. >> people use. >> to get by month to month. for a lot of folks, there's not savings that is possible between now and when elon musk. decides not to send those checks out. and on top of everything that we have already talked about, they're not going after people's private information. you have unions asking the courts to stop doge from accessing social security data for millions of americans. let me read you this quickly. included in. >> the filing. >> is an affidavit from tiffany flick, a former senior official at the agency, who says career civil servants are trying to

protect the data from doge. a disregard for our careful privacy systems and processes now threatens the security. >> the data. >> ssa houses about millions of americans. flick wrote that in court documents. so maybe you're worried about the payments. >> maybe you're worried about. >> the fact that they now have your social security number. >> but can i. >> just real quick on on that point about the savings. >> having. >> you know, managed the affairs of my mother before she passed away on medicaid and my dad now on on medicare. there are no savings there. i mean, you know, why there are no savings, folks? because the government won't allow you to save. you can't accumulate income. there's a cap in how much you can have in your bank account, and that's roughly $6,000 if you're married. >> if you're married. >> if you're. >> not, it's half that. >> so. >> you know, if you're if you're only. >> allowed a certain amount of money to, to accumulate in your bank account or in order to be on medicaid, for example, where do you save? and now you're

putting these incompetent buffoons in charge of managing the system, which they have no clue about. number one and number two are. sitting there making judgments over getting. >> your private personal information. >> and what are you going to do with that, elon? exactly why do you need my parents information? why do you need their. >> and then. >> of course, this little. ditty you've got doge now going out. >> going out. >> trying to access. sensitive child support information. what do you need that why do you need to know who's paying child support? i mean. >> why why. >> do you why information. >> well let. >> me, let me. all we should be saying why can why do you want to know this? >> and why is there why republicans allowing him to have that kind of access? >> well, you know, here's the thing. i know you were both throwing it out as a rhetorical question, but let's listen to elon musk talking to joe rogan about social security. and some of the answer to your question is embedded in what he said. take a listen.

>> social security is the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. >> right? >> explain that. oh so. >> well. >> people pay into social security and. >> and the. >> money goes out of. >> social security immediately. >> but the obligation for social. >> security is. >> your entire. retirement career. >> okay. no he don't he he he is going to pay social security. i don't doubt that elon musk is a very brilliant man when it comes to teslas and rockets and all those. >> things blowing up. so i don't. >> know how good that is, which is why we said yesterday he needs to take some more attention to his to his to his day job because, you know, the rockets, this is the second rocket that's blown up like. >> this, not. >> rocket last couple of months. they're not rocketing. i don't doubt that he's a brilliant man on that. but like just because you are great at one thing that i'm an excellent communicator, i was. i am not your finance person. okay? so, you know, don't be calling me to do the finance. my husband does the finances at our house because that's how we got some money. if

i was doing the finances, we wouldn't have any cash. so i just. you got. >> to know. >> your strengths. and i don't think elon musk knows his strengths here. my like so 72.5 million people rely on social security. he said. it's the biggest ponzi scheme. they are setting it up to be cut. right. that is what they are saying. the president is like, we're not going to touch medicare, medicaid and social security. elon musk is saying it's a big ponzi scheme. now, more republicans, they're going to cut your social security. they're coming for social security folks in 80 years. they have they haven't missed a payment. next month, they likely will not be payments that go out. and if republicans have their way, they're going to cut your social security, medicaid and your medicare to pay for their benefit, for their tax cuts for the richest people in this country. >> elon musk. >> do something. >> about it. they pay. >> for elon musk. that's the bottom line. you want you want to. >> all your people. >> that's what it is. >> call your elected officials. ask them, hey, hey, do you do you support what elon musk said? do you think social security. >> is. >> a ponzi scheme? will you vote to cut social security, medicare and medicaid? ask them and get them on the record, folks call the number.

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forthwith. that person is derek chauvin. >> president trump should. >> in fact. >> pardon. >> derek chauvin. >> okay, so shapiro is urging donald trump to pardon derek chauvin. this is the former minneapolis police officer who was convicted by state and federal juries in the 2020 killing of george floyd. donald trump's right hand man, elon musk, amplified the idea, saying this is, quote, something to think about. now, i will note that the president was asked about this in the oval office on friday. and now one of the headlines in the story is wrong. it said president trump said friday he's not considering pardoning derek chauvin, but that's not true. what donald trump said is a reporter asked him if he was considering it, noting your allies are calling on you to pardon derek chauvin. donald trump's response was no, i haven't even heard about it. the president responded, no, i haven't heard about it. that, to me is code for i don't know what they're talking about, but it could get on my desk and i could do it. >> well, the. >> other part of. that is you're asking yourself, so why the hell would we want to pardon a guy whom we watched murder a man and

was duly convicted at the state and federal level? >> you have. >> you have this idea. shortly after the video of george floyd's death went viral in may of 2020, this pundit pointed to video of the incident to dismiss the argument that floyd was resisting arrest. it's really ugly and really bad and he said, adding that chauvin should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. what a difference five years makes now. shapiro claims that chauvin's trial was a farce, and that his conviction represents. the defining achievement of the woke movement in america. so he's gone 180 degrees saying it's really ugly and really bad to, oh, he should be pardoned. so i'd like to know, looking at the video, what changed? you know, what changed? so we, you know, republicans, these maga republicans, you know, they're flipping the

script here. you know, they come after the left about the woke stuff, right? and all of that. but this is their own version of wokism, you know, this sort of pretense that they're somehow higher and better positioned and mightier in their thinking about these, about issues like this, that they see more clearly the innocence of a man with his knee on the neck of another man for nine frigging minutes, and you're going to sit. >> there and tell me. >> that that's woke, that. >> that's somehow. >> you know, this kind of, oh, we're offended now. he needs to be pardoned. i mean, it's what crime in this country. are you not willing to just let it stand? i mean, really, just. >> let it. >> what what what what crime can. >> can an insurrectionist. right now. derek chauvin, come on now. >> tell me what crime you're you're just allow it to stand because it's a crime. and they were the justice system adjudicated them accordingly. and therefore, you know what?

that's the rule of law. that's how it works. but because you somehow find some pleasure or have some connection. what do you identify with with chauvin? you wish your knee were on that man's neck? or what about somebody's knee on your neck? you'd want that person to be convicted. but in this land, we don't you. we can just decide, oh, no. no, because. >> except we can't. >> because there is. >> another wrinkle to all of this. >> and that. >> is that while there are these calls to pardon chauvin, it would not get him out of prison. trump has no power to pardon chauvin. state conviction none. that's from minnesota attorney general keith ellison. if chauvin's federal conviction were to be pardoned, he would return to minnesota to serve the rest of his sentence in a state prison, a reminder that is a 22.5 year sentence. his federal and state sentences are being. served concurrently, so a lot of it is michael, to your point, it is about the message it sends. >> that's right. >> it is not truly. >> about. >> justice or accountability. >> and i mean, derek chauvin, to

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>> okay. so to follow. >> the tail end of a. story we've been following, the new york times reports on friday about this explosive cabinet meeting with trump and musk and marco rubio. then you have musk reposting trump's truth on x late saturday evening, saying, we just had dinner together. good conversation. this is trump. elon and marco have a great relationship. all caps. any statement other than that is fake news signed djt. i guess. >> he didn't read. >> book of rivals like it's okay if they have different ideas. it's okay if they don't get along like that is actually how a functioning democracy works. >> there are. >> different inputs. us president and the executive hear them and then you make decisions. i'm not sure why they are quite. so defensive. miss simone. >> i know it takes too much. also, i don't care if elon musk and marco rubio get along. i don't care, i don't i don't i don't care if marco rubio hates elon musk guts and doesn't want to sit next to him in the cabinet meeting. elon musk isn't

even in the cabinet. he's not even a he's not even a secretary. >> it's like the line in mean girls. >> it's like. >> you don't even. >> go here. you don't even go here like, no, so you can't sit with us. and i'm not going to apologize for telling you you can't sit with us. so, like, i'm. i haven't heard marco. maybe marco rubio did backtrack, but, like, stand on business, mr. secretary. okay. stand on business. this man is an unelected tech ceo that's trying to tell you how to run the state department. michael steele did not recruit you to the republican party apparatus. so you could run for office and be the future of the party, so you can sit up here and take orders from a south african billionaire. what is really going on here? marco rubio, stand on business, sir. i will i will back you up on that. >> i back you up too, marco. you're my man. do your thing, bro. just, you know, don't let this fool punk you. you know, you stand your ground. you're the secretary of state. he is no one in this government. period. he is a made up title in a 180

day position period. and so the fact that, you know, he tries to call you out in the cabinet meeting, you were right to, to push back. and other cabinet members should do the same. y'all can't do this in silence. you have to make sure that you are the one running your department. donald trump even came out and said as much, but, you know, didn't put out this truth. so. you know, social tweet that, you know, we're all good here. no, you're not all good. no, you're not all good. and the fact that you love the fight, it's your whole game. because when they're fighting you feel more powerful. trump that's your aphrodisiac, among a few other things that are stupid. but the reality of it is this is the this is the truth. marco rubio said, no. >> you ain't coming. >> after my department. that way. you're not doing you're not doing me the way you're doing some others. >> if he comes on business on this, then maybe he'll get the courage to stand up to donald trump. so look, sir. >> do you want to see how snl

handled this? >> oh, i'd love to see that. yes. let's share that moment. now, look. >> i can't. >> have you two. >> at. >> each other's. >> throats, okay? >> after all, i have a perfect record. everyone who's ever. >> worked for me. >> has left on good. >> terms. >> and then. >> gone on to write a book called. the man who ruined everything. >> so you two need. >> to start acting. >> like mature adults. okay. >> so let's begin with. >> marco polo. oh, no, elon, i'm trying to. >> talk to marco polo. hahahahahahahaha. >> snl does not think very highly of elon musk. because you know how you can always tell how how they really think about the person that they're parroting because they make them out to be a severe negative caricature of themselves. and that's what we've got with with elon musk here. >> but, you know, it is somewhat representative, though. you do

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