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were quick to criticize the cr, noting that it would give the president and elon musk more control over how federal funds are spent. rosa delauro, the top democrat on the house appropriations committee, remarked that the bill is, quote, a power grab for the white house and further allows unchecked billionaire elon musk and president trump to steal from the american people. she joined the weekend this morning and had this to add with my colleagues. >> it's a blank check to elon musk and to president trump. and it just it allows them to what i call this is stealing. this is stealing taxpayers dollars that were intended to go to american families and to businesses. >> now, house democratic leadership said they will be voting against the bill when it comes to the floor this week. and if all democrats stick together and vote no, republicans can only afford to lose one vote in order to still

pass that bill. and it could still then face an uphill battle in the senate, where it will need 60 votes. meanwhile, the purge of the federal workforce is continuing across a number of different agencies and departments. according to the washington post, the justice department has removed at least three more top national security officials from their posts. that's just the latest sign of how the trump administration is seeking to transform the leadership within the doj. on top of that, more job cuts are expected in the coming days. all 80,000 employees of the hhs have been offered a voluntary buyout offer, while the new york times reports that noaa is looking to cut its staff by another 1000 workers. all of this raises concerns that it could hamper the agency's weather forecasting efforts. just a few months before hurricane season begins. the government funding battle is likely to be this week's marquee political fight, but it's part of a broader fight to hold the line against president trump's

anti-democratic tendencies, the slash and burn cuts to government, and the purges and targeting of his perceived political enemies, and even this larger fight for democracy in the trump era takes place amid a generations long struggle for equality, a struggle we're reminded of in particular today as we commemorate the 60th anniversary of the bloody sunday civil rights march on selma, alabama. joining me now is democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi, mississippi. he's the ranking member of the house homeland security committee. and previously he served as the chairperson of the january 6th committee. congressman, so glad to have you with us. let's talk about this conversation about the civil rights struggle. yesterday, congressman al green appeared on this program and invoked the late john lewis in talking about the kind of leadership we need right now. let's listen. >> i have said the things that i do are of conscience. my conscience dictated that i do

what i did. i am prepared to accept whatever the punishment is. i don't have to agree with it, but i can accept it because that's what peaceful protest demands. first, it demands that you get in the way. this is what john lewis used to say, which means you're disruptive. and then you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences. i think that that would be an appropriate for the speaker to do or my colleagues, but i'm prepared to suffer the consequences. and by the way, candidly, and this is not to insult anyone, i would do it again because we have to stand up for those who cannot stand for themselves. >> congressman, we've talked before, and i have to point out, it occurs to me that the most resonant voices of opposition right now are black americans, including yourself. representatives al green, jasmine crockett, alvin bragg, letitia james, just to name a few. without any shade to anyone else who are keeping the

responsibility of protecting and securing american democracy. but that's from a group that has always been most vulnerable and least served by american democracy. can you reflect on that for this moment and what lessons we've learned? well, there's no question. first of all, thank you. >> for having me, charles. >> and it's fitting and. >> proper that we are. >> celebrating six years of bloody. sunday in. >> selma today. but this. >> activity is all. >> the week. >> highlight the fact. >> that when. >> change comes to this country. >> it's primarily. >> people of color leading the charge. >> and so. >> al. green's leading the. charge this past. >> week in congress. >> what you saw. >> and continue to see. >> in selma is. >> people saying we won't. >> forget. >> now because of al green. people will start taking notice

of all of the things. >> that are. happening to. >> them in congress. >> veterans will take notice. >> students will take notice. >> just the average ordinary. >> citizen will. >> begin to take notice because they'll say something is going on and it must not be. >> right. because people. >> who are trying to. >> defend what they're doing are not making sense. and so, again, in the spirit of martin, medgar and a lot of. people who fought. >> and died. >> to make this. country what. >> it is we are. >> now in another. battle to reaffirm that those. battles they fought. have not been in vain. and so this administration, in. >> its. >> project 2025. >> wisdom and. >> its unelected. >> elon musk. >> and others are. >> trying to push back. >> all that progress. and so al

green. >> energy at. >> the speech last. >> week is. >> just a part of what. >> you will see people in. >> labor doing. >> people in education. people in healthcare. now our veterans. are upset. our farmers. >> are upset. >> because what they. >> see and hear. >> is not the. >> america that. >> they. >> have come to know and love. >> congressman thompson, i don't want to get you in no trouble today, but we are going to talk straight because that's what we do. today is bloody sunday, which as you talk about the spirit of so many different civil rights leaders, leads me to think about the spirit of, of so many who have gone into and done what we know. your former colleague talked, talked about and called good trouble. i have a problem with some of your democratic colleagues. when

congressman al green gets into good trouble, as the great john lewis dubbed it, voting against him and voting for his censure. how do you square that with respect to your party in this moment going forward? well. >> look, if you go back 60 years ago, there were a lot of people in the party who weren't on the right side of the civil rights legislation that we. >> passed after bloody sunday. >> at some point. >> i see. >> democrats lining up. >> this is just the first opportunity. now we have. >> to. >> educate the members who are not quite there, what's in their own best interest. here's somebody in the white house who said he wanted to be a dictator for a day. now, for the greatest democracy in the world, to be led by someone who wants to be a dictator, that doesn't square up with the america that we know. and so what we're going to have to do is educate those members who are not quite there. and i

think in time we'll get there. but, you know, democrats are noted for having spirited discussions. and as you know, when we passed the voting rights act, there were a lot of folk on the wrong side of the issue. they came along later, and i see this as al green laying down the marker that here we're going to have to start and in in him laying down that marker, it has forced democrats to look at themselves and say, look, we can't continue to play nice because we are dealing with the administration. that's polar opposite of what we stand for. and because of that, it takes the al green's of the. world to force the. rest of america who think right, to start saying, we have to come up with an approach and a solution, and i think you'll have that. hakeem jeffries has already come out

and said he's against the proposed continuing resolution. we have people and, you know, politics makes strange bedfellows. and what you will see over time is some of the people who voted for trump coming, democrats saying you are going to have to help us because this guy is bad news. so we'll see that, for instance, nursing homes, nobody in the nursing home ownership community has stepped forward. but when you do an $880 billion cut in in medicaid, and the. >> majority of. >> that money is going to come from nursing homes, they'll begin to look up and say, we need help. the other side is afraid. >> because they have a. >> bully as president who got people saying, well, i really wish i could be with. >> you. >> but if i am, they are. >> primarily me.

>> these are grown. men and women who are saying this. i never thought in this democracy i'd see men and women becoming cowards because they don't have an opinion of their own that they. >> can they can voice. >> congressman, i have to ask you about this very interesting political quagmire that is coming up with the cr. what are your thoughts about the position that this puts not only the american government, the federal worker, but also the people who depend on these critical services? and how do you intend to approach whether you're going to vote in favor of this cr, or try to get something more permanent passed? >> well, you know, i'm going to follow my leadership. look, hakeem jeffries has been a stellar leader on the on the on our. i look forward to working with him. we have to carry a message. the message is democrats care about everyone, not just the rich and famous.

and so what we have involved here is a proposal, obviously, that's done by republicans. and they're putting it forward right now for a vote on tuesday. that's not how democracy works. but obviously when you have donald trump in the white house and republicans following him, that's what you do. democrats stand for people. we want to help everyone in this country, whether you're in agriculture, health care, education and all of that is who we are. you shouldn't penalize people who need our help. and that's what this continuing resolution is offering. and we're not we're not going to stand for it. we're going to push back. it's the republicans proposal. they're going to have to pass it, and they're going to have to own it, and they're going to have to justify it. >> democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi, thank you, my friend, for being with us on this sunday. coming up,

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prosecutors were escorted out of the building by federal law enforcement. in september, adams became the first new york mayor ever to be charged with federal crimes while in office. the charges included fraud, soliciting campaign contributions from foreign nationals, and bribery. but soon after donald trump took office in january, the justice department moved to dismiss the case. the sudden move prompted a wave of resignations from the doj by federal prosecutors, who said the trump administration enforcement plans the case was indefinitely delayed after then acting deputy attorney general. a bulb moved to dismiss the case, and on friday, an attorney appointed by the judge overseeing the criminal case against adams suggested in a brief that the case should be dismissed with prejudice, meaning the case would be dismissed for good. for more on this, i'm joined by fellow

attorney and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, thank you for being here, taking the glasses off because i am talking to a lawyer. catch us up on this entire saga surrounding mayor adams, the independent attorney. what does that mean? why did it take place? explain it for our viewers. >> so first of all. >> some people may think that the case. >> against eric adams. >> is over. and technically, that's not true until the judge says. >> it is. >> the department of justice, as you mentioned, through amy bovee, who was then acting as the deputy attorney general, asked the court to dismiss the case without prejudice. that would mean that the department of justice would be free to resuscitate the charges against, mr. bové has suggested that after the senate confirms the u.s. attorney for the southern district of manhattan, that they may take another look at that further down the line and after the mayoral election. but what's important here is that the judge, dale. >> ho, has asked a very.

>> well known appellate. >> lawyer named paul clement. >> and i should add, charles, also a very prominent conservative, to advise him. what are my options here as a judge? >> am i duty bound. >> to dismiss the case without prejudice? do i have other options? and importantly, am i allowed to consider evidence outside the four corners of that motion that the department of justice put before me, namely, all of the correspondence that went back and forth between the department of justice and the prosecutors handling this case, including. >> the very sharp. >> resignation letters from danielle sassoon, who was the acting u.s. attorney, and hagan scotten, who was a line prosecutor who essentially said, you may be looking for a fool or a coward to do your errand here, but that person is not me. >> so on one hand, we have these resignation letters that you just talked about from the prosecutors who actually gathered the evidence, determined that there was probable cause for an indictment, and brought forward the indictment to prosecute the mayor. yes. on the other hand, you have, for example, these communications that were filed

friday by. >> i'm glad you. >> raised that. donald trump's defense. i'm sorry. bye bye. the defense team in this case basically just i'm sorry, the former prosecutors in this case to say, hey, listen, this may be politically motivated. how do you square those two in terms of making sense of whether this is something that has legs and should move forward? >> well, let's start with what paul clement says. so paul clement, again appointed by the court to sort of advise him about what his role is. paul clement says, look, judge, you have the latitude to look at these communications, but you don't really need to because your options are limited. you can dismiss the case without prejudice, which is what the current department of justice is asking you to do. or you can dismiss the case with prejudice, but you don't have an option to continue this case against eric adams, against the will of the prosecutors, and namely, the department of justice that's brought this case. the communications that are in this brief that you were just referring to, it's the current department of justice quoting from partially selected texts,

drafts and emails exchanged among the career prosecutors in this case and also the acting u.s. attorney. they have included those to say that the people who are litigating this case had real doubts about the underlying motives of the former u.s. attorney here appointed by joe biden, damian williams. but, of course, as you just noted, we haven't seen the full communications. they've been filed under seal, and we don't know what else they looked at, theoretically or not. theoretically, we know that they must have cold through the electronic records of those involved in this case in order to present that evidence to the court. i can't underscore, charles, to you and our viewers, how fundamentally unusual it is for prosecutors, internal case communications to see the light of day before a court, much less in a circumstance where the judge himself or herself hasn't asked for it. it is nothing less than a smear on the prosecutors who are involved here. from damian williams on down to the career prosecutors impugning their motives, even saying that

one of them was as aggressive as he was careerist and that he was looking to convict eric adams for. and this is their words, not mine. another notch in his belt so that he could be appointed to the bench by donald trump. we don't know what those communications say. and more importantly, we don't know about the raft of other communications between those people. but i want to submit something to you, which is this communications among the prosecution's team are presumptively privileged. they either have what's called work product protection, which is a doctrine you and i are really familiar with. or they may even be attorney client privilege, whereas here the client is the united states government. and that raises some really interesting questions, both for the judge and for the former prosecutors, whose reputations have been dragged across the mud here. what else did the government potentially waive privilege as to? and are they going to ask dale ho, or are journalists like me and foia requests going to ask to see the remainder of those communications about what really happened here? even if the eric

adams saga in its four corners is close to being finished, the excavation of the story of what happened here isn't close to being done. and i'll submit to you that by choosing those communications, this department of justice has opened up a pandora's box that they may not even themselves have understood they were opening. >> they said, we're usually on the same side of the table answering the questions. but i like this where i get to learn from you and have more discussion. let's not make this the last time. >> let's do it again. >> thank you so much. nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin. and still ahead, the trump administration's immigration crackdown and rollbacks of protections for sensitive locations like churches, hospitals and schools has some students so worried that they're not even going to class? we'll talk about that and more on talk about that and more on velshi. stay tuned. i'm thinking of updating my kitchen... —yeah? —yes! ...this year, we are finally updating our kitchen... ...doing subway tile in an ivory,

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families and local officials from one community impacted by the ice raids. >> gaping holes. >> left in this denver apartment. >> door after. >> it was broken by ice agents the morning of a february immigration raid. >> behind it. >> was nine year old nicole. >> el cuarto. >> she said. >> we were getting ready in the room to go. >> to. >> school. >> and then ice. >> knocked. down the door and we were really afraid. >> we started. >> to cry. she said. her mother, maria, was taken into the hallway by agents. in tactical gear. maria, along with other adults in their apartment. >> complex. >> were placed. >> in plastic handcuffs. >> and taken away. >> leaving behind. >> nicole and her 11 month old sister heidi. >> did you think. >> that you were going to be deported back to el salvador? >> see you. see? yo tenia mucho miedo. >> she told us. >> yes. i mean, i. was really afraid. my biggest fear was that they would send me to some place and deport me, and they would leave my babies. after six. >> hours. >> maria was released with an ankle monitor so ice can keep

track of her. she has since. had the device removed. but nicole was given a notice to appear before. >> immigration court. >> maria said she fled el salvador after the death. >> of her husband. >> and said she could not support her. >> children there. >> she crossed. >> the border illegally after being previously deported. maria says nicole. now has nightmares and most of all, she is scared to go to school. >> where she. >> said she once heard ice agents. >> were. >> patrolling nearby. >> what do. >> you think about when you're in school? >> that they can come again to school and this time they will be able to enter and they. >> will take. >> us. >> she said. >> for students who attended this. >> denver public. >> school were arrested. >> by ice. >> the same day maria. >> was. taken into custody, according. >> to principal nadia madden morrow. >> so as i was coming. >> into work. >> i get. my phone. >> starts blowing. >> up that there is a raid at one of the apartment buildings where our kids. >> live. >> come outside. >> and so. >> i learned that.

>> our school. >> bus that was. >> supposed to be picking up our kids. couldn't actually get close because of all of the commotion there. >> since then. >> she. >> says, attendance here. >> has dropped by 10%. ice never came on school property, and there have been no confirmed cases. >> of ice arresting. >> students at any school. >> but students and teachers here. >> say they are still on edge. and here's why. the trump administration did away with the long standing policy. >> that largely kept. >> ice from making. >> arrests in. >> schools, houses of. >> worship and. >> hospitals, leaving open the. >> possibility of students. >> being arrested. >> at school. >> back in denver, the district here filed a. lawsuit demanding that ice stay out of schools. >> the trump. administration has. >> argued in court that denver public schools have not been harmed. >> in. >> this very library. the day of. >> the raid. which it didn't happen in our schools, but it happened nearby. the emotion, the fear and the terror in the eyes of our educators was significant. so no one can tell me that we weren't harmed. >> maria, nicole and heidi are back in their apartment, sleeping behind the door. ice

once left broken, uncertain what the future will hold for them. and in response to our reporting, an ice spokesperson says that ice makes. determinations to go into a school on a case by case basis. but typically they would not make arrests inside a school. >> also, as part of that lawsuit that was started by. >> denver public schools, there is now a group of 78. >> schools, all representing schools. >> in big cities across the united states, that say that. >> their schools are all. >> reporting increased absenteeism, lower. >> parental involvement, and. >> increased anxiety and. >> fear among students. >> and they attribute that to the beginning of the trump administration. >> and the reception. >> of. the policy. >> that largely. >> kept. >> ice out of schools. >> that was nbc's julia ainsley reporting. and coming up 60 years ago today, peaceful civil rights demonstrators were attacked by alabama police officers on a bridge that still bears the name of a confederate general and ku klux klan grand

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protesters. lewis was set to join icons like doctor martin luther king jr, andrew young and hosea williams on the 54 mile endeavor before the historic march got underway. lewis and williams made clear to reporters why they were there, and why they were undeterred by the potential danger of going through with such a public act of civil disobedience. >> we are. >> marching today. >> to dramatize to the. >> nation. >> dramatize to. >> the world. >> that hundreds. >> and thousands. >> of citizens of alabama, but particularly here in the. >> black belt. >> area. >> denied the right. >> to vote. >> we intend to march to montgomery to present certain grievances to governor george wallace. >> mr. williams, what are you going to. >> do if you get stopped? >> what are we going. >> to. >> do. >> if we get stopped? well, we hope we won't. >> get stopped. and if we get stopped, we're going to stand there and try to negotiate and talk them into letting us go ahead to montgomery. >> we all know what happened after that. just as the hundreds of unarmed demonstrators

finished crossing the edmund pettus bridge in selma, they were met with vicious racist violence, brutally attacked by alabama state troopers with billy clubs, tear gas, attack dogs and fire hoses. in the midst of the fight, john lewis had his skull fractured, just one of dozens who needed to be treated for injuries at local hospitals. those cruel, indelible images were broadcast across the country, and that day eventually became known as bloody sunday. the atrocity of bloody sunday helped move public sentiment and eventually galvanized the fight against racial injustice, leading to the passage of the landmark voting rights act of 1965. and today, the struggle continues. the supreme court in recent years has rolled back key provisions of that very voting rights act. states have enacted dozens of new voting restrictions, and a key platform of donald trump's new presidency is ending diversity, equity and inclusion programs. for more on this, i am joined by caroline randall

williams, award winning poet and essayist, writer in residence at vanderbilt university. she's also the great great granddaughter of confederate general edmund pettus. who's that? who? that bridge is named after. and doctor imani perry, who is a professor of african american studies at harvard university and author of numerous books, including the award winning south to america and black in blues how a color tells the story of my people. caroline, your family is uniquely tied to today to bloody sunday the bridge, as i just mentioned, where this historic event took place, was named after your great twice over grandfather, confederate general edmund pettus. talk to me about your thoughts on today as we mark the 60th anniversary of bloody sunday. >> thank you so much. first for having me. and also. hi, doctor perry. i'm full of admiration for you. i'm very excited to meet you in cyberspace. when i

think about what today means relative to my family's relationship to it, the word bridge means a lot to me because i think. >> that we're trying. >> to build bridges between. >> the past. >> and the present, between cultures, cultural norms that see. >> two. >> different sides of the truth. and i think to me, i'm thinking about how i, sitting here as the descendant of a man who took up arms against the united. >> states, he was a. >> member of the confederate states of america and then was somehow rewarded on the other side of that with a pardon not very different from what happened the january 6th. he was somehow rewarded with a pardon, and then. invited to. >> washington. >> d.c, to represent alabama as a united states senator. and the. weird repetition of the kind of ugliness and hypocrisy of that. i think that it's wild that we're sitting here 60 years after that bridge was brought. >> back to light.

>> and we're sitting here grappling with these same kind. >> of. >> rollbacks in justice and these acts. >> of. >> hypocrisy and these pardoning of treasonous american behavior. i think it frightens me that we're sitting here in this shared space and that we're looking back 60 years ago and seeing the seeing those realities reflected in the present. >> doctor perry, i want to pick up exactly where caroline left off in terms of what we process, in terms of the lens of progress and that should be viewed. should we be taking from this moment that the things that we have done have been effective, and we need to continue in that vein? or should we be seeing this as a moment to perhaps reevaluate the need to change course and do some things differently? >> i mean. >> in some ways the answer. >> is both. on the one hand. >> of course, we know the history. >> of bloody sunday. >> first, there's the murder.

>> of. >> jimmie lee jackson. >> who was an organizer. >> leads to. >> the 1st march. amelia boynton. >> is. beaten on. >> that bridge. to a bloody pulp. >> she had been organizing for voting rights since the 1930s in alabama. >> and then there's the 2nd march that is stopped short. >> and then james reeb, a minister. from from boston, is murdered. and then there's finally. >> the 3rd march. >> so one, there is this repetition. >> of pushing for. >> justice and retaliation. >> from. >> from the state. >> in various ways. >> and so. >> in this. >> moment of commemoration. >> we're asked. >> to actually revitalize our. >> commitment to justice. >> the work of the movement is undone. if anybody who goes to selma. >> and sees the. injustice that persists there. >> i'm a. >> native of alabama. >> if you. >> go to selma. >> and see the injustice that. >> persists there, you know that we. >> had unfinished. >> business, that selma did so much for. >> the nation. the nation had. >> not returned the favor. and now we have. >> leadership that is trying to barrel us back. multiple

generations. >> so on the one. >> hand. >> we have. >> to hold fast. to the transformations that. >> have taken place. but we also have a responsibility not just to restore the status quo, but to actually complete the unfinished business of the freedom movement. >> unfinished business makes me think of the term good trouble as well. that john lewis so, so aptly popularized. and i've been talking about that throughout, not only today, but this week. doctor perry, i want to stay with you and ask, is there a concern when you see someone like congressman al green be censured for his actions by and have democrats that actually support that censure some of them? is there a concern that the notion of good trouble no longer exists, and that it's simply just a watered down phrase? >> well. >> it it. >> it continues. the question is. >> do those who are in. >> positions of. power actually respect it? you know, oftentimes elected officials come down to selma for bloody sunday and they

march across the bridge. >> but the bigger. >> question is, are you going to act in ways that are consistent with the vision of those who were on that bridge, who were who actually were confronting hostility from both sides of the aisle, as it were, even back then. and so i think the question is for. >> us. >> those of us who are constituents of. representative greene and those of us who simply support him to speak out even when many of his colleagues. >> are failing him. >> you know they are. this is supposed to be a representative democracy. so we have to insist upon being represented appropriately. i believe that representative green represents green, represented many of us who find this moment in history absolutely unconscionable. >> caroline, i want to take you back to 2020, when america reckoned with the murder of george floyd and the push to take down a lot of the confederate monuments that were across the south. you wrote an amazing piece for the new york times titled do you want a confederate monument? my body is

a confederate monument. and in that piece you wrote, quote, my body and blood are a tangible truth of the south and its past. the black people i come from were owned by the white people. i come from the white people i come from, fought and died for their lost cause. and i ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals? the irony that the bridge where bloody sunday took place is a literal monument to your great great grandfather. those are just such powerful words. but i want to talk more broadly about how important you believe the symbolism in a moment like this is not just of the bridge, but of the continued remnants of where we have been in our past in this country. >> well, i think we're living in this crazy moment of erasure of sin as opposed to, you know, so many of us that are in the spaces of the humanities and of just being witnesses to history,

we've been fighting to not have our truths erased. >> our black. >> history erased, our very existence erased. and now we're fighting to stop the erasure of sins against black people by bad. >> actors, by systems. >> of government, by white people, by white supremacy. so to me, i think right now it's this weird, it's this disorienting circumstance of saying, hey, you can't tear that down, because that is where wrong was done to us. and we have to name that this is what's happened. so the bridge, we need to be able to recognize the bridge. we need to be able to name that these things have happened here. if we rename it, if we give it some innocuous name, then they're able to say, oh, well, that's so far in the past that we don't have to apologize for it and we don't have to navigate it anymore. and that's something i think about a lot relative to my relationship with claiming my genetic inheritance. and the hard side of it is that i'm waiting for

other people who are the descendants of these white men who did these evils to black people in this country, to say, i am not proud of what my ancestors have done, and i am working towards repair and there are not many people. i live in tennessee. there are not many people that are coming out as the descendants of the confederate generals and people in positions of power saying, i am sorry and i am ashamed and i want to repair. they want to forget, they want to forget. and so that's why we can't let these things be erased. >> doctor berry, i want to give you the last word here. how do you frame for people who are watching the significance of this moment, looking backwards, but also appreciating the crossroads of where we are and what is ahead in terms of the fight for civil rights and the lens of how we have experienced history in this country. >> yeah. >> i mean, i think. >> you know, as i said before, this becomes a question of

whether or not we're going to allow ourselves to be cast back multiple generations or we're going to decide as individuals and as a collective to actually complete the unfinished business. it is important to remember that those people who kept trying to cross that bridge faced adversity from. >> every possible corner. >> if they were able to do that, for us to have some greater semblance of democracy today, then certainly we should be able to follow in their example, not just in terms of what they did, but how they imagined freedom facing new challenges almost at every turn. so they have given us a noble inheritance, and it is our responsibility to fulfill. >> a real bridge that we are both still crossing. thank you. caroline randall williams and doctor imani perry. we'll be doctor imani perry. we'll be rig(vo)ack. sail through the heart of historic cities and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once, and get closer to iconic landmarks, local life,

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