today is just a great example of how, even in a bad situation so far, we've had a pretty good ending. >> all five of. >> the passengers remain in the hospital. three of them have been admitted to burns units. now, the ntsb says it is aware of the situation and should release information sometime soon. anna. >> wishing those. folks a full recovery. erin mclaughlin. thank you. and that does it for us today. thank you so much. >> for joining us. hope you had a. >> wonderful weekend. >> and a good. >> week ahead. i'll see you. >> back here tomorrow. >> i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. >> jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning. >> 11 a.m. eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin with breaking news. right now. the dow jones. is down. it's down almost 400 points at this hour. amid growing fears around the. effects of the trade war between

the u.s. and its most important trading partners. it comes after president. >> trump this. >> weekend did. >> not. >> rule out the. >> possibility of the u.s. going. >> into a recession. >> are you expecting a recession this year? >> i hate to predict things. like that. there is a period of transition because what we're doing is very big. we're bringing wealth back to america. that's a big thing. and there are always periods of it takes a little time. >> this morning, china has begun imposing tariffs on a slew of agricultural. products from the united states, including chicken, wheat and other goods. and this hour in canada, the ontario. premier is set to speak after threatening to add. >> a new. >> surcharge of. 25% on electricity going. >> to parts of the u.s. >> joining us now is erin gilchrist, live from the white house and nbc's brian chung, also with us and former. >> republican governor.

>> john kasich from ohio. he is an msnbc political analyst. >> so, brian, what are the impact of these tariffs. >> on the u.s? >> yeah, and i think it's really. helpful that you already outlined kind of what china has done as retaliatory action in response to the united states putting that 10% tariff in february and then an additional 10% on them last week. what we're talking about here are a lot of agricultural products, as you outlined, 15% tariffs on chicken, wheat, corn, 10% on soybeans, pork, beef and fruit. these are the types of things that in the heartland of america, agricultural producers are making. and this is a very different conversation than we were having last week when we were talking about those perspective, 25% tariffs, which in part were exempted for at least a month, where you're talking about types of companies that import things from mexico and canada that would have faced the 25% tariff. what we are talking about today with these retaliatory tariffs that took effect as of monday, is any sort of agricultural producer that then ships off to another country, like, for example, china, because this is the country that's doing the

retaliatory action here. this is a really big deal when you consider that. yes, on wall street, certainly here in manhattan, right downtown, a lot of people watching that. but it's really these agricultural product producers like soybeans, which are a major export to china, that are going to feel the pinch of these tariffs that took effect as of today. wall street reacting negatively, not just off of these initial tariffs, but, of course, of the concern that this tariff war is going to ratchet up, that the temporary stay that we got for the one month on mexico and canada is just going to be revisited a few weeks from now. and then, of course, those reciprocal tariffs with the trump, which the trump administration has been touting on any country around the world, which will likely take effect on april 2nd, according to the white house. jose. >> erin, what's. >> the reaction this morning from the white house? >> well. >> jose, i think really the reaction from the white house is to lean in both. >> in action. >> and in rhetoric. we know. >> as brian. >> mentioned, we're. >> going to start to see more tariffs going into effect, tariffs. >> on steel and aluminum. >> we expect to see those. >> on wednesday. >> of this week. and then on april. >> 2nd. >> we have those reciprocal tariffs that the president

telegraphed a. >> few weeks back. >> saying that. >> the administration. >> is going to be looking at. >> its trade. >> relationships with. >> every single country around the world. >> and making sure. >> it. institutes tariffs reciprocal reciprocally against. >> all of those different countries. >> there have been leaders who've reached out to the white house, who have reached out to the president to say, hey, let's take a really. >> careful look at this. >> and try to come up. >> with a. >> plan that. >> won't hurt either country. >> at the. >> same time. we saw president. >> trump on air. >> force one last night. you can. >> see some of the. footage there answering. >> a. >> few questions. and he was. >> asked about these tariffs that we are already seeing in place the retaliatory tariffs that. >> we're seeing in place. >> now as well. >> and what. >> might happen going forward. listen to the. >> president's response. >> i think the tariffs are going to be the greatest thing we've ever done as a country. it's going to make our country rich again. we're basically going to take back the money. and a lot of the money that we've given away over many decades, we've lost our jobs, we've lost our factories, we've lost 90,000

factories since the beginning of nafta. it's not that long ago, 90,000 factories. think of that and we're going to get them back. >> and so. >> i. >> think. >> some of. >> the uncertainty. >> out there comes from. >> some mixed messaging. >> the president. >> has said that. >> it's potentially. >> a. >> possibility that tariffs. >> might go up in some. >> cases higher. >> than. >> what he's indicated. >> so far. >> but then you. >> heard the commerce secretary say over. >> the weekend that as they look at some of these. >> interactions on. >> trade, that the tariffs could be adjusted. you might see some of. >> them come down. >> whatever the case may be from the trump. >> administration. >> jose, we know other countries. >> canada, for example. >> have said they're digging in for. >> the. >> long haul here. they anticipate the canadian. >> the current prime. >> minister said that he thinks that this is going. >> to be a trade war that's. >> going. to go. >> on for. >> the foreseeable future. >> jose and john talking about aaron, talking about. >> mixed messages. >> coming out of the white house. here's what commerce secretary howard lutnick. >> struck and what he. >> said this.

>> weekend about the economy. >> writ large. >> take a listen to this. >> should americans brace for a recession? >> absolutely not. there's going to be no recession in america. i would never bet on recession. no chance. >> john. >> totally different tone than what the president said in a gaggle on on air. force one. how do you see it? >> well, jose. it would. >> be. >> really great if we could get our. >> story right. right. >> which what. >> is it? what is it going. >> to be? by the. >> way. >> we've tried. >> terrorists before in our country. >> and guess what? >> they never brought. >> good things. they did. >> not be able to. >> restore america's wealth. >> what i will. >> say. >> jose, is that. >> i think you and i. >> kind of. see things. >> the same way. if you're giving. >> me the shaft, if you're. >> selling me products. >> for lower than what it cost you. >> to make them. that's called dumping. >> we're not. going for that. we're going to. >> we're going. >> to try. >> to address that. >> and whoever. >> it was from europe.

>> that made. >> the comment. >> that rather than just. >> willy nilly imposing these tariffs, why don't we sit down. >> and figure out what's best for both countries? and that's what ought to happen. and in addition, of course. >> it would be great. >> if we could be truly. >> aligned with the eu, with the. >> european nations. against some of the rip offs that china has done. >> to our country. >> so i think, you know. >> it's not about. >> just put. >> tariffs on and protect your industries and all. >> that. that leads to nothing. >> but trouble, higher prices. it will hurt consumers. it will hurt our economy. on the other hand, there are. >> legitimate grounds. >> on which to. >> negotiate. >> and that's. >> the way we should. >> pursue it. but make no mistake about it, higher tariffs. mean higher prices, higher tariffs. mean taxes. >> yeah i mean and brian, this comes. >> as the. >> president floated. the possibility of more tariffs on canadian dairy and lumber. what impact would that have on us. >> yeah. and by the way the president teased that as

something that could happen over the weekend or today. haven't seen anything yet. so it remains to be seen exactly what he means by that. but we're talking about two things when it comes to dairy and lumber. dairy is a major export market for united states producers. canada has higher tariffs than the than reciprocally are applied to canadian dairy that's imported into the united states because canada wants to protect their dairy producers. but what we're talking about with lumber is a pretty substantial thing, because that is such a major and i think by volume, larger trade item between the two countries, softwood lumber comes a lot from mexico and canada. when we talk about what we have here in the united states, it is a major export market for canada. and actually there are some estimates out there from the national association of homebuilders builders, rather that a tariff that's applied to lumber, which it's not right now, given what we saw as the exemptions under usmca applied to canada last week. but the national association of homebuilders is estimating that a tariff on lumber could increase the cost of a new home by get this 7500 to $10,000.

speaking to what the governor was saying about some of these costs getting passed on to home buyers in a market where the mortgage rates are already super high, that's certainly probably not a welcome development. >> yeah, i mean, governor, the. >> tariffs are not. >> only issuing, are not facing just, you know, farmers, for example, we're talking. >> about lumber and. >> dairy and all the things. >> but according. >> to 2021 data, >> usaid. sources 41% of food. >> for its aid. programs around the world from american farmers directly. this could have an. >> impact there. >> well, especially soybeans. jose. >> look, what farmers like to do is to rotate their. >> crops so they don't end up like. >> the dust bowl. >> that's exactly. >> what rotation is. >> and usaid. >> has helped the united states to. >> plan, help. >> the. >> farmers in the united states to. >> plan, for example, the sale of soybeans overseas. >> but what's happening, jose? >> you're beginning to see the pushback. you had a fight between rubio. >> and musk. you've now had an argument. >> going on. >> between the head of the. >> faa and musk.

>> and i think. >> jose, what's beginning. >> to happen is once you. >> get put. >> in charge of a particular program. >> like you're. >> the cabinet head. >> and you got somebody. >> else. >> coming in and trying to tell you what to do, you don't. >> like it. >> particularly if they don't understand what it is that goes on inside of your department. >> and i must. >> say. >> this business. >> of just firing. >> people across. >> the. >> government, i. >> don't believe that's the way to try to deal. >> with the. >> size and scope of government. >> i've had to deal with. >> it as. >> the governor. >> and i'll tell you what i did. i just didn't replace people once they retired. but where is. >> the joy. >> and the. >> sense? >> and just having. >> somebody go. >> home and say, i lost my job today. >> and when. >> they say, well. why did. >> you lose it? you say. >> i don't have. >> any idea. it's some philosophy of trying to just get rid of people. that is not the way to do that, particularly when we're going to see the growth of two probably as much as $2 trillion in additional. >> debt. >> because they can't figure out how to. >> engineer their operation, to

both have tax cuts and figure out how to downsize things in a. smart way. >> so what we're. >> going to do is we're just going to fire a bunch of people and feel good. >> about that. >> i don't buy it. i don't. >> think it. >> makes any sense. >> and you're beginning to see. >> the cabinet. members inside the. >> administration push back. >> and say, that. >> is not. >> what you should be doing. >> to my department. >> aaron gilchrist. >> brian chung. >> and. >> former governor. >> john kasich. i thank you very much. up next. >> canada's next. >> prime minister. criticizes president trump. >> over the tariffs. >> on canadian goods. and he's promising to fight. >> back at home. u.s. officials. now forcing. >> dhs employees to take polygraph tests to find out who might be. leaking details of immigration raids. and an nbc news exclusive. president trump, now wanting much more than just. a minerals deal from ukraine back in 90s. you're watching back in 90s. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on here i am—field trip chaperone! before preventing migraine with qulipta,

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>> yeah. >> let's start with right. >> now, jose. mark carney meeting with prime. >> minister justin trudeau in the parliament building. >> just behind. >> us here. and they're going through some details. >> before that. >> transfer of power. >> carney. >> a banker, calls his. >> leadership win with nearly 86% of the. >> vote a. >> mandate won. >> directed toward. >> president trump. >> the tug of war over tariffs and a trade war that is only intensifying. donald trump, as we know. >> has put. >> as the prime. >> minister just said, unjustified tariffs on. >> what we. >> build, on what we sell, on how. we make a living. >> he's attacking. canadian families. >> workers and. >> businesses. >> and we cannot let. >> him succeed. >> and we won't. look. >> that's been a. >> strong surge of nationalism

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>> well, they're doing. >> it across. >> dhs to. >> find anyone who might have leaked the details of. >> ice raids. >> as you might. >> recall, jose. >> border czar tom. >> homan has blamed media. >> leaks for the reason. >> why they haven't been able. >> to. >> arrest as many. >> targets as they have in. >> mind when they show up. >> to, like, a new york city or denver. >> colorado, or. >> just last week. >> in northern. >> virginia suburbs of d.c, and they. >> are now. >> carrying out. polygraph tests. >> to. >> try to ask. >> employees if. >> they are the. >> ones who. >> leaked details of. those of. >> those raids. >> to the media. >> we should. >> say. >> jose. >> that nowhere. >> is. >> anyone published the names. >> and addresses of people they're going after. >> it's usually something. >> as general. >> as the name of. >> a city. >> also. >> jose, this. >> isn't. >> the first time that dhs has. >> used polygraphs. >> they're very common. >> as long as i've been covering dhs for the past 11 years. >> i know. >> that they do them when they're screening new employees. >> making sure. >> for example. >> that a border. >> patrol agent isn't also. >> working for a drug. >> cartel. times that polygraphs. >> make sense. >> and they can be. >> rescreened during their

employment. >> to make sure. >> they don't have any conflicts. >> of interest. >> or corruption. >> but this is being. >> used in a very specific way to go after media leaks. >> it's something that. >> secretary of homeland security. >> noam teased. >> they. >> might do. >> and now we. >> can confirm. >> here at nbc that. >> that. >> is already. >> started, and. >> some employees have already. >> been. >> subjected to the test. >> have also. >> spoken and heard. that some. >> resigned rather than being. >> polygraphed purely on. >> the principle of the matter. >> jose and julia. meanwhile. >> let's talk about this other issue. >> borders are. >> tom homan was. >> asked on fox. >> business today. >> about the. >> arrest of that. >> palestinian student, and if the. >> trump administration can. >> deport a legal immigrant. here's what he had to say. >> absolutely. >> we can. i mean, did. >> he violate. >> the terms of his visa? >> did he violate the terms. >> of his residency here? >> you know, committing. >> crimes, you know. attacking israeli students, any resident alien. >> who commits. >> a crime. >> is eligible for deportation. >> and that's just one out of many. we're going to send a strong message to anybody here on a foreign visa. julie.

>> i mean, for. >> folks that have, in one. way or another, at one time or another, had to go through. >> the process. >> of naturalization. >> being a. >> resident of the united states is a privilege, not a right. >> sure. >> that's absolutely true. >> and mahmoud khalil, who was a former student at columbia university, a former. >> grad student. >> is someone. >> who had a green card. >> and according. >> to his lawyers. >> after the arrest. >> when the attorney informed. >> ice that he had this green card. >> i said. >> then that. >> they would revoke. >> it. >> and that. >> ice went. >> and did. >> this arrest because of. >> an. order by the state department. >> it seems. >> that they were. >> trying to target. >> anyone. >> who was. part of these protests at columbia that were pro-hamas. >> or. >> anti-israel and. >> trying to go after students. >> like that. >> in part because this is something that trump campaigned on. and also they're trying to find out anyone who would. >> cross over. >> and also be someone. >> who's not a. >> u.s. citizen. >> we understand. >> now. >> that he is in. detention in louisiana. he has a wife who is. >> eight months pregnant. >> and according. >> to the. >> attorney.

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on five nights a week. >> more than ever. this is not a time to pretend this isn't happening. >> the rachel maddow show weeknights at nine on msnbc. >> we're going to start with breaking news. >> on capitol hill. >> mounting questions over the future of tiktok in the u.s. >> reporting from philadelphia. >> to. >> el paso. >> in the palisades, virginia. >> from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. >> 23 past the hour. >> secretary of state marco rubio is heading to saudi arabia for talks tomorrow as ukraine's president zelensky meets with the crown prince of saudi today. the talks will look to repair the strained. u.s. ukraine relationship after. that oval office blowup. and now, according to nbc news exclusive reporting. president trump is saying privately that ukraine is signing on to a minerals deal will not be enough to resume paused military aid and. intelligence sharing with kyiv. but the president expressed expressed optimism this week.

>> let's see what happens with the whole russia ukraine thing i think you're going to have eventually, and maybe not in the distant future. you're going to have some pretty good results coming out of saudi arabia this week. >> joining us now is nbc's courtney kube at the pentagon. also with us, nbc's keir simmons in jeddah, saudi arabia. so, keir. >> what are the expectations. >> heading into. this round of negotiations there? well. >> i should. >> just tell. >> you that president zelensky. >> is now here in saudi arabia. he will meet with the crown prince of saudi arabia, arabia mohammed bin salman. that's a separate meeting, as we understand it, from the kind of summit, if you like, between u.s. officials, including the secretary of state, marco rubio, and ukrainian officials, i think it's going to be pretty fraught. i suspect that many of the things that happened behind closed doors, we won't hear about, which i think from the ukrainians perspective and

probably the americans perspective will be refreshing given what happened when we did watch the conversation play out in the oval office, as you mentioned. so i think it's going to be difficult, though, because we really, you know, the russian side and the ukrainian side are very far apart and there are still events on the battlefield, as i think courtney will explain that, you know, really don't there are reasons why both sides might think that they don't want a ceasefire. >> despite the fact that president. >> trump is insisting there should be one, and they are saying they want to do that. so this is going to be complicated. i mean, president zelensky, zelensky will know that if these talks though, for his team, you know, collapsed in the next coming days, that will put more pressure on ukraine. that will be very, very difficult. getting a ceasefire, getting. >> two. >> sides to stop fighting isn't a deal. it's just an armistice effectively. and all of the issues don't get solved. but beyond that, though, you know, russia thinks it's winning particularly. it thinks it's

winning back territory in the russian area of kursk. and so again, the question becomes, even if president trump says things are going to be good with ukraine this week, what happens with russia? >> yeah. and keir, you know, i want to ask you something, but i just want to take a beat to say you've got like the. >> coolest backdrop. that i. >> have seen in. some time. it's, i mean just the sunset and i mean, you know, kudos to your crew. but but i mean, just an extraordinary backdrop and. yeah, and when we're. >> talking about. >> backdrops. >> our cameraman backdrop. >> great job did a great job. >> and he. >> did jeddah saudi. >> arabia will know this fountain is very famous. >> yeah. well thank you for. >> showing it to us inside your camera person. there you go. >> yeah, yeah. >> for showing. >> it to us. >> but but talking about. >> backdrops, you know, these talks. are once. >> again being. held with the backdrop of saudi arabia. what does it say to you. >> that the. >> crown prince.

>> of saudi arabia, that saudi arabia. >> is once again. >> becoming a player in what is essentially a new. >> axis of influence? >> yeah. >> i mean, you all know. well, i will say that saudi arabia has been rising for some time. we know, of course, there have been major challenges geopolitically in the not too, not too long gone future or past. but certainly that. >> is a. >> saudi arabia has a. deep relationship with russia. >> it's gained. >> a deep. >> relationship with ukraine, not least through. >> negotiations. >> for example, for prisoner exchanges. other gulf countries have been doing that too. i do think it's significant, and i do think it's a moment in saudi arabia's, you know, political position that is so central. and, of. >> course. >> also to mohammed bin salman, the crown prince has a very close relationship with president trump. >> yeah. >> courtney, what does. >> president trump. >> now saying about what he wants from ukraine?

>> yeah. >> so he. >> has talked. >> about how he wants this critical minerals deal. and essentially. >> this would give the united. >> states some sort of a. stake in the. >> economic piece of critical minerals in ukraine. >> but now. >> it's not. >> just that. >> according to. >> officials. >> president trump has told his. >> close aides. >> that in addition. >> to ukraine. >> signing this critical. minerals deal. >> in order for the united. states to turn back on. weapons and equipment. >> and intelligence. >> sharing. >> with ukraine. >> president trump. >> is looking. >> for a little bit more. and that. >> includes a change in attitude from. >> ukrainian president volodymyr. zelensky that. >> also includes. >> president zelensky. >> and. >> the ukrainian. >> delegation. making it. >> clear that. they are. willing to make some concessions. now, among. those concessions. >> are likely. >> to be. >> ukraine being. willing to give up some land. that is now essentially been russian occupied. >> we also. >> know, according to. these

officials. >> that president trump. >> is looking. >> for some sort of assurances. >> or movement on. >> elections in ukraine. it's not. >> clear if. >> that. >> would. >> even that would necessarily. include president zelensky agreeing to or pledging to step down. >> from. >> his job. >> but some sort. >> of a movement towards elections. now, one other. >> issue that we've. >> been hearing a lot and talking a lot about. >> the past. >> several weeks is. >> nato membership for ukraine at this. >> point. >> the official said. that is. not one of the parts. >> of a deal that president trump is. >> looking to. >> but at. >> this point, the u.s. has. >> still paused any. >> sharing of. >> equipment. >> military aid to ukraine. >> and they. have paused. intelligence sharing. >> now, what. >> these officials. >> explained to us is. >> that the u.s. >> is. >> actually still. >> sharing defensive information. >> so the right of self-defense or the right to defend. >> but. >> they are not. sharing targeting. >> information, jose. the officials. >> say that is. >> having an impact on the battlefield. every single day. >> courtney kube and keir simmons, thank you both so very much. and i want to bring in

hagar chemali, former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations and treasury department and former. director of the white house, national security council for syria and lebanon. hagar, it's always a pleasure to see you. what do you make of president trump's apparent? >> i guess it. >> would be moving the parameters here. with zelensky and ukraine. >> you know. >> josie. >> first i want. >> to. i want to share my. >> condolences for the loss of your brother, by the way. >> because i. >> haven't seen you since. >> a walk for a while. but but. >> to get to your. >> question is. >> is trump is trying. >> to play hardball. >> here, but he's. >> trying to play hardball. >> with our partner. >> and it's. it's as courtney said, it's having an effect every day. what he's. >> essentially doing is weakening. >> ukraine's position. >> in negotiations, which. >> was actually. >> the. opposite policy under president biden. >> biden's goal was. >> to, well, to help ukraine win the. >> war, but. >> at the. >> very least, to get ukraine in a. >> position of strength so that when you have eventual negotiations. >> as you always do in a war. then you have. a ukraine is in a

position to get. >> as much out. >> of. >> it. >> as possible. >> and trump. >> steps here really are are undermining ukraine. >> in this, in this effort in every front. i mean, when you have. something like taking away intelligence. >> even if it's only for defensive targets. >> the problem with that. >> is. not just that it affects. >> ukraine's ability. and strength. in this, in this fight. and to be an. >> equal player. >> in the war. but it's also a. message that putin. hears very clearly. and putin. >> is listening to. >> every single. >> thing trump. >> is doing. and to him it looks like, all right, well, i know where i stand in this fight. i know that i'm. >> the one. >> that is. >> in in trump's favor. >> and that's going. >> to really. >> it's going. >> to. >> be very damaging for ukraine's goals here. >> and hagar. when you enter as the united states. as clearly one of, you know, the world's. >> superpower into. >> something that will. >> include peace. >> talks over. >> a war. >> i'm thinking, you know, if you look at the history of that, you know, in, in, throughout our history.

>> what is it. >> that the united states needs. >> to do and. >> needs to establish. as a trusted partner? i guess, for. both sides. >> if the united. >> states is. leading negotiations. so if you're the mediator and you're the lead mediator, right? >> there aren't. multiple partners. >> and you. >> have one. >> side like you do with israel, gaza, for example, we're kind. >> of. >> more the ones with israel. >> and then. you have. >> other. partners for the. >> those dealing. >> with hamas. >> in this instance. >> if you're the lead. >> mediator. >> then you. >> need to. >> establish good. >> relationships with. >> both sides, and you need to use all the. levers of u.s. power. >> to bring both to the table in. >> a, in. >> a to achieve a vision that you've directed. so this is a very top down approach, very u.s. led approach. and on one hand, you do see the trump. administration there, for example, with russia, they're willing to. >> use the. >> lever of sanctions. >> and i've heard very inconsistent talking points on this one minute that the administration is willing to lift them, the other minute. >> they're willing to impose more.

>> i can't analyze. >> which we can't predict. >> at. >> least, but they're clearly willing to use those levers of power to force russia to the table. and the same on the ukrainian side. but i again, you're supposed to really be if you're the mediator, you should be a bit more equal. and it's very clear that trump doesn't. he disfavors zelensky and his request for him to step down or have elections is a perfect example of that. because on the other side, clearly you're dealing with a dictatorship where every election. >> has been. >> rigged for the last 20 years. so, you know, it's this undermines ukraine. >> but more. >> importantly. >> it undermines. >> all the aid and intelligence and. training we've given over the last three years. and that's just not a smart. >> investment plan. >> that's the part. >> that gets me hiroshima. >> thank you so very much. appreciate it. up next. we're just days away from a possible government shutdown. again. does house speaker mike johnson have the votes to keep the government open? let's talk about this and a whole lot more with florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. she's next. you're watching jose diaz-balart watching jose diaz-balart reports on -what've you got there, larry? -time machine.

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melanie. good morning. so what's in this funding bill? and do republicans have the votes. >> to pass it. >> so this funding. >> bill would. >> extend current government funding until. >> the end of september. >> which is the end of the fiscal year. >> but it is not a clean extension. there are. >> some key differences. between the current funding levels. for example, it. >> adds about $6 billion. >> for defense programs, including some additional funding. >> for some of donald trump's. >> deportation efforts. >> and it also. >> cuts 13. >> billion from non-defense programs, which is one of the reasons why house democratic leaders have come out so strongly against this bill, which means house speaker mike johnson is going to need virtually every single republican to back the spending bill in. >> order. >> to advance out of the house, which is no easy feat. but the bill did get a big boost over the weekend, when. >> president donald. >> trump came out and gave his full throated. endorsement for this plan. so house gop leaders, feeling pretty confident, cautiously optimistic. i would say that it is going to pass in the house. but of course, the house isnl one equation, part. of the.

>> equation, right? >> once it goes into the senate, it's going to need at least seven senate democrats in order to pass. and so far, most democrats are keeping their powder dry about what exactly they're going to do. they under are under enormous pressure right now from their party to stand up to donald trump and stand up to elon musk. and at least one senate democrat. that is patty murray, the top democrat on the senate appropriations committee has come out very strongly ripping into this bill. and one of the issues is that it does not include guardrails to protect federal funding from. >> the. doj's effort. >> and so, just an example of the pressure that democrats are facing. and just it's going to be a huge moment and huge decision for democrats who are going to have a lot of say in how this process plays out. >> jose melanie zanona, thank you very much. and with us now to continue our conversation is florida democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. congresswoman, thank you so much. it's always a pleasure to see you. so it looks as though here we go again. government shutdown threatened. but this

time. the cr is a non clean cr bill. >> first of all if. >> you could just give us. >> an explanation. >> of what's going on, why we're doing this again as a country. and then second of all. what is it that you will. >> support or not support? >> well jose, thanks for having me. and look, this situation is here we go again on steroids. two months in to donald trump's presidency, we're staring down a recession, a government shutdown and a plummet in the stock market. it's just. and a trade war, recession, trade war, government shutdown all in two months. normally when we pass a cr, we pass a clean cr. it's just moving forward, the current fiscal year's funding and so that we can negotiate a full year funding bill, which makes sure that we can appropriate funds directed by congress, approved by the president to things like housing and health care and so many other things.

what this cr does is it slashes funding 44% of army corps of engineer construction jobs that will jeopardize everglades restoration funding here in florida, vital, vital for our economy as well as our environment. it cuts $23 billion in veterans funding. it opens the door to cutting social security, closing their offices, half of their offices, firing half of their employees, and lets donald trump and doge and elon musk run rampant through continuing the firings that they've had, because there are no guardrails and they're basically yanking the rug out from under congress, which has the authority exclusively in the constitution to appropriate funds. >> so the. >> republicans have. >> such a slim. >> majority, right? i mean, it can't if the speaker loses 2 or 3 republicans. >> can lose one one. >> and he's already losing one. >> so then. >> it would fall on. >> the democrats to. either

support it or. >> it's doa. >> absolutely. and we need another republican to grow a spine and stand up and push back against donald trump, not only on behalf of congress's authority, but to make sure that we're not. i mean, this is the this is a president who is the most significant enemy of veterans in american history. he's fired more veterans than any president in history. they're going to cut 83,000 jobs from the va. while when we passed the pact act, which provides more health care benefits to veterans exposed to toxins, we have to be ramping up funding for the va. this is going to leave veterans without the funding and care that they need. veterans are going to die if this funding goes through the way it's proposed on on tuesday, we have to make sure we pass a clean cr, make sure we get past friday appropriators. i sit on the appropriations committee. we've said we can come together and finish the job. i know the

top line agreement for spending. the negotiations are very close. but what the republicans are going to let trump, donald trump do if they if they vote for this, is have free rein to continue the indiscriminate massive firings, the disrespect of our veterans, the risk of cutting social security benefits for our seniors, and massive cuts in health care and everglades funding. >> so i was wondering. >> because, you know, there's been this discussion back and forth on, you know, that when that joint address of congress that the president gave just last week and some of the, i guess, manifestations of opposition to it. >> what is your. >> message to people around the country who look to democrats to be effective voices. of opposition, not necessarily show a sign, but effective voices of opposition. >> what's your. >> message to those people? >> we are pushing back in congress, in court and in the community, making sure that we put pressure on republicans

through shining a spotlight on the massive cuts and harm that are going to come from the republican cuts and what they're allowing the maga extremists in congress are allowing trump and elon musk, an unelected billionaire, to do. we're fighting them in court successfully. most of the court cases that have been litigated have come down against what donald trump is doing. i hope he and his administration comply with that. and then we're we're focused on congress this week. we have a decisive vote. democrats need to stand together. i think we will against this cr that harms veterans cuts, opens the door to cuts in social security cuts, vital construction programs, particularly in florida. we're at risk of having everglades funding cut, and that is going to be dangerous. and so when it goes to the senate, we need to make sure that the democrats in the senate stick together, and i expect that they will. >> you're seeing a government shutdown. >> well, the ball is in the

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the white house and democrats lost. >> america. tyler. >> is there anything to this continuing narrative that there is major tension between trump and some of his cabinet members and elon musk? >> yeah, i think it's important. as you noted, my colleagues maggie haberman and jonathan swan reported on this explosive meeting inside the white house last week where the cabinet officials really went after elon musk and said, you know, the work that he's doing does have some consequences. i think the precursor to some of this is a lot of republicans in congress are having challenges with town halls as their constituents raise concerns about the work of doge. you know, one of the things that the republicans and the trump administration is dealing with is implementing this idea, which a lot of people, in theory, agree with, of trying to cut government waste and spending. but how exactly do you go about doing it? elon musk has this slash and

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which programs they were going to cut. obviously, that stands in contrast to some of the ways the usaid cuts were made. we saw elon musk's doge group go in and just basically shut down the entire agency. also, i think what's interesting here is marco rubio taking credit for that decision, sort of laying it out a little bit more cleanly than, you know, the way that we've seen doge go about its work so far. obviously, we also know, as caroline leavitt, the press secretary, told reporters this weekend, president trump had dinner with marco rubio and elon musk. clearly, the president is concerned and frustrated that this meeting has been reported by my colleagues and is trying to smooth over any of the tensions there. so it seems like they're back on that foot there. but, you know, it is still just the early days of the trump administration. and it will be interesting to see how long elon musk stays in, in the good graces of not just president trump, but the broader cabinet. >> and, tyler. >> what's. behind steve bannon's ongoing attacks on musk? >> yeah, i think what's interesting here is the sort of

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