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to figure out how a series of brush fires on long island broke out, prompting a state of emergency. what we know about that investigation. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with another rough day on wall street, to say the least. cnbc's mike santoli is covering it. mark. mike. the stock market is further down than it was just an hour ago when we reported on it. what's happening there? >> yeah. >> chris. an acceleration of some of the same concerns that have been weighing on the market for a few weeks just to benchmark it. the broad market is down about 8% from its record high about three weeks ago. now, there had been this sort of slow moving growth scare, as we're calling it, essentially some concern that the year had started kind of soft in terms of consumer spending and other parts of the economy. and then that has spilled out into the open. obviously, a lot of the, the policy noise has been weighing on the growth outlook as well. wall street came into

this year kind of thinking that the entire set of trump administration policies would be net positive for growth ultimately. yes. tariff and immigration crackdowns are definitely friction in the economy and would detract from growth. but tax cuts down the road, perhaps deregulation would help. right now it's much more about what is what is going to have to be sustained in terms of a potential slowdown in the near term, without necessarily feeling as if we're going to get free to focus on the good stuff, so to speak. and by the way, with the administration sort of changing its rhetorical approach, at least to this, and saying we might have to accept a little bit of economic pain. now, i think that scrambled the outlook for wall street as well. >> we're coming up on the dow being down 2%. down over 800 now. mike santoli thank you to capitol hill where there's a lot to get done before friday's government shutdown deadline. nbc's julie sirkin is there for us. julie the first hurdle for this funding plan i see people running behind you. i don't know who they're following. what are

you watching for there? >> well, i was just watching to see if i could see house speaker mike johnson as everyone ran to the floor because the house floor just opened. and of course, the question on my mind and everyone else's is, do you have the votes? meaning just republican votes to pass a continuing resolution that would fund the government through september 30th before that shutdown deadline at the end of this week? now, in just two hours, that rules committee vote that you mentioned, chris, will take place. the key thing here is for mike johnson is thomas massie is no longer on that committee. he is somebody who already said he's a hard no. he's not going to vote for the cr no matter how you slice it. he used to be on the rules committee, which is that first procedural step that the house must take in order for a bill to make its way on the floor. now, he's got some friendlier voices on that panel, so we do expect it to make it out of that committee. it's not a clean cr how republicans are billing it, right. because it does. plus up the spending for defense. and it cuts spending for non-defense discretionary items, which is a hard line read no for democrats. so we'll see how they take it in

the house. that being said, though, johnson is planning to squeeze republicans and squeeze democrats by using president trump's pressure. even over the weekend, he spoke out on it again, urging all republicans to vote for it so he doesn't have to rely on democrats. here's don bacon, a moderate, a house member, talking about this just a couple of moments ago. watch this. >> well. >> it's going to be a tight vote. i don't think we're going to get many democrats. i hope we do. >> because we don't want a government shutdown. >> we're not seeing a clean cr. we're going to see a cr that where you see defense spending augmented, but also allowing for. new contracts and new starts. and so i will dialog with mike rogers, the chairman, and other leaders on our armed services committee to make sure it's adequate. >> now, if the house can get the cr out of its chamber and it makes its way to the senate, that puts a whole lot of pressure on democrats in the senate, because over there, they need seven of them to join all republicans in order for the cr to pass, to keep the lights on in the government. the senate is watching very closely to see

what the house does. leader schumer over there not really displaying his cards, saying how his members are going to vote. they're not happy, but will they actually vote to shut the government down if they're put in that position? it's unlikely, but it's certainly a question mark at this point. chris. >> julie sirkin, thank you. now to yet another case of measles that could have exposed people flying through a very busy us airport. nbc's erika edwards is here. erika, this person apparently passed through the main terminal and baggage claim at dulles on wednesday afternoon. so what could that mean? >> a potential huge. exposure to a lot. >> of people because. as you just said. >> you know, dulles. >> is so busy, lots of people coming in and out from all over the world. and this measles virus is wild. that's because tiny particles can stay in the air for up to two hours after a person has walked through that terminal or baggage claim. and, you know, this person also visited a pediatric emergency department two days later on march 7th. i'm just going to look down at my notes to make

sure i get it right. for anyone who needs to know this, the johns hopkins howard county medical center, pediatric emergency department. chris, the fear there is that there may have been small babies exposed in that waiting room who have been who have not old enough yet to be vaccinated. chris. >> yeah. also, going from where you get on or off a plane to baggage, you get on off in this enclosed train. so there's that. look, measles cases reached dangerous levels in parts of texas. the wall street journal reports vaccine skeptics, in one particularly hard hit county have not been swayed. and i know you've done reporting from there. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah, i just got back last night and i can tell you that that's absolutely true. you know, this is a community gains county, texas with, you know, the epicenter of this outbreak in texas. this is a community with one of the highest vaccine exemption rates in the state at 18%. you walk into cafes and coffee shops. and i've talked with moms groups there who say, you know, they are adamant that

vaccination should be a personal choice. and of course, that's a message that's been repeated for years from newly confirmed health and human services secretary kennedy. and so, you know, doctors outside of this area are really concerned about this because they say that vaccination prevents 100% of both measles hospitalizations and deaths. and we do know that dozens of kids have been treated for measles at the children's hospital there, just about an hour away in lubbock, where they have resources to handle these kids, as well as two deaths, one in new mexico and one in texas. >> chris erica edwards, thank you. let's take you to new york now, where arson investigators are looking into a series of brush fires on long island that injured two firefighters. at least four separate fires burning 600 acres. it also triggered a state of emergency. >> i watched flames go up to our property, up to the building and up and over the top of the

building, and i watched it like there was a giant hand. >> wow. nbc's sam brock has more from long island. sam. >> there were definitely some frightening moments. >> for people. >> living on long island over the weekend, as you had four separate blazes all popping up, the biggest of which was in west hampton, where i'm standing right now. collectively, they had about 6 to 700 acres burned. that includes the business that i'm standing on right now, a dating services company, where you see the trailer here, absolutely charred. there's a nearby storage facility as well. that is a total loss, according to the owner. he said the national guard doing water drops is really what saved the day for him. and as far as what's going on here, this is very visual and very sort of exemplary. all the trees that are burnt here are right on the doorstep of a nearby highway, the sunrise highway. and officials say that would have been the primary concern if these flames jumped that highway. there's pine barrens on the other side that could have acted as jet fuel to carry the flames over toward the north fork of long island. so a bit of a sigh of relief on that. in total, there were roughly 80

different volunteer fire departments, 300 plus firefighters on the front lines battling these flames. two fire department personnel were injured and hospitalized briefly, but have since been released. and right now, a lot of the attention is focusing on potential arson. the suffolk county police commissioner says that just because there were four different blazes doesn't mean there were four different causes. the wind could have played a role there, but they are examining the possibility of arson. that means that looking things like drone imaging and surveillance video, talking to folks that made 911 calls to find out anecdotally what they saw, and they're expecting some form of a finding or conclusion in the next several days. that's the latest here in west hampton. let me send it back to you. >> sam brock, thank you. can i ask the control room to put back up the market numbers because you saw just whatever seven, eight minutes ago, it had gone down something close to 2%. well, now it's over 2%. approaching down 900. we're keeping our eye on the markets. but coming up in 90s why the elon musk factor makes the fight to avert a government shutdown

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cliff. but what about this time? joining us, democratic congressman of maryland glenn ivey. so it's good to see you. congressman, what can you tell us about how you and your democratic colleagues plan to approach this vote? >> well. >> we're disappointed with the way. >> this is moving forward. you know. >> there was a hope. >> i think. >> for. >> a clean cr if we were going to have to do that, this looks more like a trojan horse. that's got things in it that republicans no democrats don't want to swallow. and unfortunately. >> makes it less. >> likely that we can vote for the bill. in fact, i think as it stands now, we won't be able to support it. i know it's not an easy vote for me, but it's a clear and definitive vote for me. it's going to be a no. >> i'm sure you saw that president trump called through on all republicans to vote yes. the question is whether there would be any democrats who defect to the other side. what conversations are you having about that? >> well, i'm not. >> hearing democrats that. >> want to. >> defect to the other side. you know, we. >> may have. >> some that do.

>> and there may. >> be additional republicans. >> that have second thoughts about staying in support of this. i think. >> they're starting to get a lot of. >> blowback in red states about what's happening with respect to the trump administration. so you've got things in this bill. >> and also the other. >> one, the budget resolution that had the medicaid cuts, for example, that are going to have a real negative impact on hospitals, for example, in rural districts. >> and my district, too. >> but, you know, they're starting to hear back from. other people. >> other. >> voters in red districts and red states that this is a problem and they want to reverse course from the trump administration on this front. >> well, in fact, the president did offer his thoughts yesterday on how he thinks this could all play out. let me play that for you, congressman. >> is there going to be. >> a government shutdown at the end of the season? it could happen. i mean, the democrats. >> want that. >> they want to destroy. >> the country. so i can't tell you. but it could happen. it shouldn't have happened. and it probably won't. i think. the cr is going to get passed. we'll see. but it could happen. you

never know. >> so how do you combat this messaging? and he's you're obviously amused by it, but you can hear other republicans saying the same thing. the democrats want to shut down. and is it possible that the american people look at this and listen to him, and you guys get the blame if it happens? >> yeah. >> i kind of doubt it. i mean, you know. elon musk was the one that had a chainsaw and was running around on a stage waving it around like it's some kind of big joke. but the american public is starting to hear about the impact of cutting the jobs of tens of thousands of federal workers. you're starting to see that that means that they don't. >> get the services. >> that they'd like to have. they're starting to see that that can disrupt, you know, for example, clinical trials to help cure cancer and alzheimer's and the like. they're starting to see those kinds of impacts. you're also starting to see the impacts of, you know, the trump tariffs that are basically sales taxes on the american people and are pushing the economy in the direction towards a slump,

really towards a recession. and i think the wall street numbers you're showing demonstrate that. so the american public is starting to see the impact of his rash and irresponsible approach. and i think they're going to start pushing for a change, of course, in the very near future. >> i know some of your democratic colleagues have been asking for assurances from the trump administration that the money would be spent the way lawmakers intend, right. they're concerned it would further allow elon musk to slash the federal workforce. many of them work in your district, which i think covers most of the black majority areas on the maryland side of the washington metropolitan area. what are you hearing from your constituents? what's been the impact? >> well, we're. >> hearing a lot about the cuts, for sure. you know, we've had a couple of town hall meetings that have been on the telephone 16,000in the first one, 20,000in the next one. >> wait, wait wait wait. >> sorry. you've had 36,000 people on tele town halls. is that normal? >> no, i've never seen anything

like that. so it was a huge response. and then we did one in person 8 or 9 days ago, and that had 900 people show up. so, you know, there's a huge concern. there's a huge impact that's being had here. but remember, federal workers aren't just in the washington, dc area. 80% are across the country. and that means that things like national parks might get shut down. that means that services that are delivered at local social security hospital offices and va hospitals are going to get cut back. and the public is starting to see that and have concerns about it. that's also why you got republicans that are not having town halls anymore. they're worried about going home and getting the earful from their voters, as they should, about the negative impacts that they're seeing. >> we're out of time. but i do have to ask you, when you have these kinds of numbers of people, whether it's in person or in a tele town hall, what do you say to them about their concerns? can you give them any assurances? >> all we can do is fight back. we've talked about the impact of

courts. cases are having. those have been positive. congress is having a chance to push back. frankly, this is our moment. he's done everything by executive order previously leading up to this. this is our first real chance to have a vote and push back on it. and of course, we've gotten rallies going on in the streets here in dc that i think are going to help to steer it in the right direction, too. but at the end of the day, the key is just to get the message out, educate the public, let them see what the negative consequences are from the direction he's taking. and i'm confident that they'll push for a change in the course of the trump administration. >> congressman glenn ivey, thanks for taking the time to talk to us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up, exclusive reporting on president trump's approach to russia's war in ukraine. why a multibillion dollar mineral deal might not be dollar mineral deal might not be enough for him to restart aid to [fighting scene] —ugh! here we go again —wait there's a red hulk now? excuse me... what do i do about this? —we use tide oxi boost. —it's a life saver. the most powerful clean in any universe.

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marc polymeropoulos is an msnbc national security and intelligence analyst, nonresident senior fellow at the atlantic council and former chief of operations in europe and eurasia. welcome to all. so, keir, what do we know about the agenda for these meetings? >> well, we know a limited amount. honestly. right now president zelenskyy is here in jeddah. secretary of state marco rubio is here. there are meetings with the crown prince of saudi arabia who is here in jeddah, whether marco marco rubio will see president zelenskyy, you'd think they would. clearly, zelenskyy is that the head of state and marco rubio is the chief diplomat. so there are they they might not traditionally see each other, but in the context of being with the crown prince, you can imagine how that might come

about. what i do think is that it's unlikely we're going to hear very much about what is said, which is going to be quite a contrast, isn't it, between what happened in the oval office with president zelensky and president trump? and perhaps you might say it's better that way. they can be straightforward and honest without it kind of exploding on on camera. tomorrow, the ukrainian delegation and the us delegation, led by the secretary of state will meet. and look, i think it's going to be relatively fraught. i'm sure it will be very diplomatic, but it's difficult because effectively there is a distance between the ukrainian position and the russian position. the two sides haven't fully set out their positions, certainly not the russians in particular, but we can see that there's clearly a difference. and with the americans too. so just an example of that. it appears that president trump has agreed with the idea of european and nato

allies putting peacekeeping troops on the ground in ukraine. the russians, through their foreign minister, have said they are absolutely opposed to that, even if it's not under the ukraine, under a nato umbrella. so there there's a lot to be done. the big question for, i think, for the ukrainians is whether they can demonstrate that they do want to move towards a ceasefire. that's what the trump administration is insisting that it wants to see, and whether they can get through these talks without them breaking down, because if there is a problem here in jeddah, then inevitably i would say that's going to lead to more pressure on ukraine, on president zelensky. >> keir simmons, thank you so much for that. so, courtney, the possibility of some troops, peacekeeping troops aside, you have other reporting on trump's demands for zelensky if he's going to restart aid and intel sharing with ukraine. tell us

about that. >> yeah. so we. found out. >> that. >> it's not just the. >> critical minerals. deal that president trump. >> is interested in. >> in order. >> to restart. >> that critical flow of weapons and equipment and. intelligence sharing with ukraine. that was paused as of last week, chris. in fact, beyond the minerals deal, he's also looking for a change in overall attitude from president volodymyr zelensky, according to two officials familiar with president trump's thinking on this. and he's hoping he expects that president zelensky will also change and make some concessions when it comes to ending this war. and when it comes to some sort of a peace deal. and that could even include giving up some land. now, in addition to that, president trump has also told his top aides, some of his closest aides, that he is looking for some sort of movement towards elections in ukraine as a part of this, maybe not necessarily. zelensky stepping down immediately, but some movement towards some sort of elections. of course, that

would be extremely difficult given the combat situation, the active war that's going on in ukraine right now. but those are the conditions that president trump has told his aides he wants before they will restore the weapons and the intelligence. and as far as the intelligence goes, chris, we have also learned that, in fact, the u.s. is still sharing defensive information with ukraine. so what that looks like is they believe the u.s. believes that they still have a need to alert or a right. ukraine has a right of self-defense. the u.s. is providing information about, hey, look, it looks like russia is preparing to attack, but they aren't providing the targeting information. so ukraine can hit back at russia or even strike at russia in advance. of course, the u.s. has been providing targeting information as well as signals intelligence and other intelligence to ukraine for the last three plus years. chris. >> so, mark, i'm starting to compile this list. donald trump wants a change in attitude. he wants elections. he's ruled out nato membership for ukraine. he

says it's impossible for kyiv to reclaim all the territory that russia took. so give us your assessment of both these demands, but also where that sort of starts things off as we look into these negotiations. >> well, chris, just look at the venue where we're meeting. it's in saudi arabia. so there's been a ten year alliance we've had with the ukrainians. there's been a lot of bilateral meetings. and where in washington and kyiv they're supposed to be, you know, we're supposed to be allies. why in the world are we meeting in a neutral third party? and the answer is, because we've switched, we're now neutral at best, and perhaps even tilting towards moscow. and so i think just even the venue itself is very telling. but one of the things that, that i think people should, should really understand is the amount of trust that's been lost. you know, when the us pulled back on both military sharing military equipment or provision of it, and then of course, intelligence information, you know, with the events that happened in kursk over the last several days, ukrainians died and ukrainians know this. and so i think it's

going to take a lot to kind of regain that level of trust between the two sides. perhaps they're going to force zelensky to sign some sort of performative, theatrical, you know, raw minerals deal. but ultimately, what i think actually is going to happen is because the trump administration does not want to provide any security guarantees. the ukrainians are going to be looking now to buy time, but looking to europe to provide that. and so i know that there was just mention of european, you know, troops on the ground. that's where really this has to go. if there's any chance of a peace settlement. >> you mentioned venues. so, you know, look, i have to ask you, in the last couple of years, crown prince mohammed bin salman has gone from essentially being a pariah to playing a central role in global diplomacy. so what does he bring to the table in these talks to end the war between ukraine and russia? does he have any real role in all of this? >> well, you know, in some sense he's trusted by multiple sides. you know, the trump administration, of course, has had a very close relationship

with the saudis, with mohammed bin salman, we call him mbs. ukrainians as well are close to him. and, of course, the russians have had long standing relationships. so in theory, it's not a bad place to meet. if, for example, you're trying to act as a mediator. but again, why are we meeting with the ukrainians, our ally, in a neutral venue? i think that's something that is pretty telling. >> and courtney, in this very uncertain world, you have some exclusive new reporting on some potential staffing cuts at the pentagon. tell us about it. >> yeah. as part of these ongoing efforts to make cuts in the pentagon and the cross, department of defense secretary of defense pete hegseth is expected to announce at some point soon a new initiative that would include cutting as many as 10% of the general officer and flag officer billets. so basically, what that means is to be a general or an admiral, you have to have a job that you're assigned to. they are now looking at cutting between

between 8 and 10%. so up to 10% of those jobs, those those billets, which would mean that those generals and those admirals and those jobs would, would in many cases would probably retire. but there wouldn't be that pipeline for the younger officers to move up to. so now, right now, the law says that the military can have as many as 857 total generals and admirals. that's one star, up to five star, frankly. but at this point, we only have four star. but total generals and admirals across the entire united states military. this would be cutting upwards of 10% of those. >> chris courtney kuby and marc polymeropoulos, thank you both. and still to come, they're losing sleep, weight, even their hair. we have new reporting on the real world consequences for federal workers in the crosshairs of the trump administration's job cuts. and before we break, we are keeping a close eye on the markets. the dow dropping on those recession dow dropping on those recession fears down over 2% 868 points.

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university of pittsburgh spokesperson urges anyone with information to come forward. mental distress is gripping the lives of federal workers right now, as president trump and elon musk's sweeping government cuts reverberate out from our nation's capital. the washington post puts it simply washington isn't sleeping anymore. one va worker who served in the navy for more than a decade told nbc news she's dropped 20 pounds in a month and is losing her hair from the stress. at a breaking point, she called a suicide hotline. another va employee who tragically lost his daughter and father to suicide told nbc news, quote, i hate to say it, but i work in suicide prevention. and i had thoughts. i've had thoughts of not wanting to be here anymore. nbc's natasha korecki is our reporter on this story. she joins me now. also with us, former executive director of the new york state democratic party and msnbc political analyst basil smikle.

i know, natasha, that you spoke to federal employees across multiple government agencies. tell us more about your conversations. >> well. >> you really highlighted some of the most compelling stories. >> and. >> you know, when there's a. >> veteran affairs suicide. >> prevention officer who's having his own thoughts of suicide. >> that we're in a crisis. and i thought these stories. >> helped illustrate what people are going. >> through right now. and with so many of these workers wanted. >> to get. >> across. >> was it's not just. >> about losing. >> a. >> job, it's about watching people dehumanize them, denigrate them, try to embarrass them, denigrate what they do for a living when they are trying to give it their all. in some cases, these people are saying they're trying to keep veterans alive. you know, talking to them on the phone or in person, doing intervention. and then, you

know, watching donald trump golf for the weekend and say, well, you know, these workers are lazy and they're they're not coming into work and they're saying, wait, no, you don't understand what i just did. so, so there's a lot of stories like that. i think the other point that a lot of them wanted to get across was some of them, you know, actually all of them supported getting rid of waste and fraud, but they're watching very carefully how this is playing out. and they're saying that's not what's happening there. the way this is happening is chaotic. it's haphazard. they're getting rid of people who are very experienced, who in, in, in many ways are some of the best of the best. and they're, they're watching them leave and crush them financially. >> adding to the stress. basil is workers who are reporting that they have family members who are cheering on the fact that they got fired. eric anderson, he lost his job with the national park service. he's a biological science technician,

he told the associated press about a social media post. this came from his aunt. quote the gist was, man, it sure is great seeing all of this waste being knocked off. do you think i'm a waste? there are a lot of people out there that are hurting right now that are not a waste. is this political divide that we've seen for a long time now, gone far beyond politics in ways that it manifests in behavior. it manifests in harassment, a total lack of compassion. where are we? >> well, i think that's absolutely right. and the words that we used earlier denigrate and dehumanize. so imagine if you feel that way and then go into environments where you feel that you're going to be safe, right? among family members and perhaps even among friends, and then have to get that kind of harassment that pushes you further down the rabbit hole. we just came out of covid where there were people who were being harassed, where families were being torn apart because of the rules and issues related to

vaccines, for example. and of course, that comes off the first trump administration. so, yes, we're at a time where there is no moderation, there is no conversation. you are being forced to take a side, and that side may require that you go against people who you've been close with for the better part, if not your entire life. and that has really put us in a place in this country where, you know that that sort of collective thought and that collective good that, you know, when you're a kid, you learn to engage in to me is has been lost. >> so, natasha, i know some of the people that you spoke with voted for donald trump in november, and i wonder what they think about that now. >> right. i mean, you know, you mentioned the navy veteran earlier. he specifically talked about the guilt he carried about it, carried day to day, going to work and watching people around him sulking, just just gripped with fear of what's going to

happen next. and, and the feeling that they're getting terrorized all the time. a lot of these people actually have not lost their jobs, but it's this constant fear of something happening that could be financially devastating to them. and it it he really regrets it. he regrets it. he he feels very guilty about it. and he you know, i think in a lot of cases, i actually spoke to a few people who had voted for trump and they mentioned, you know, they're trying to put more of the blame onto elon musk and say, well, you know, elon musk is doing this. he never should have given him control. but but then many do come back and say, well, i guess it is ultimately trump who is giving him unfettered access. so i think there's a lot of come to jesus moments here with, with, with some of these federal employees who are, you know, really weighing their votes. and it's a lot of a lot of them also who are veterans because we spoke to so many veterans, so many veterans are potentially

affected here. just really feel a betrayal. they thought donald trump is going to fight for veterans. if there's one thing we know, that's what he said. that's what he would do. and now they're saying, wait a minute. that's not exactly the opposite is happening right now. he's damaging us and not just by taking jobs away. but but again, this dehumanization, this denigration of who they are and what they do for a living and not appreciating how difficult it is on top of they have served their country already. many of them are disabled or, you know, have some kind of injury from serving in a war, are going to work, and they're facing this harassment every day. so it is it's very troubling. you know, it's not superficial angst they're feeling. this is very deep. many people saying they reached out to suicide hotlines and again losing hair, losing weight, some really heavy stuff. >> so basil, do you think sharing their stories and it

can't be easy to say, you know, i had suicidal thoughts. sharing their stories helps. or is this just where we are and who we are now? >> well, i think sharing the stories help because tinashe. to natasha's point, there are a lot of voters, trump voters that are going to find a way to kind of negotiate with themselves about what's really happening right now. yes, i support, you know, they'll say i supported donald trump, but i don't like what elon musk is doing. i do think that this might be. altogether best for the future of the country, but when it actually starts to affect them in ways that they can't, you know, they may have problems paying for groceries. they may have problems getting benefits. they'll have to go potentially apply for unemployment benefits that may take a little while to actually kick in, and it certainly won't cover their salary, the salary that's lost. so when we see that these things are going to start impacting them and their families in real ways, that self negotiation, we may say we may think changes. and then those stories i think

are are able to get amplified. in addition to that, i do like what a lot of groups are doing on the ground. you have states like new york and the governor, kathy hochul, said, you know what? we've got some jobs in new york. you know, come to new york, you've got organizations, nonprofit organizations that are starting to use their websites or create other websites for job openings to try to be helpful. so i think that part, even though i talked about concerns about collective action before, i do think there are some people who recognize this is a moment for us to come together. >> natasha korecki, thank you for your reporting, basil. you're going to stay with us, but if you or someone you know is in crisis, help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. you can call or text the national suicide and crisis lifeline at 988, or text home to 741741. >> every breath you take, every

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to have discovered a new venue for communicating with voters, particularly those young men who voted for donald trump. the world of sports commentary pennsylvania governor josh shapiro has showed up courtside to help call the action during a college basketball game and as a guest on stephen a smith sports talk show. while high profile governors including wes moore, andy beshear, tim walz, they've all appeared recently on other sports podcasts. the new york times writes that this is part of a new communications game plan, noting that democrats have found that yakking about sports is perhaps the easiest way to reach skeptical or disengaged audiences who might not otherwise want to spend time listening to a politician. let's bring in one of the authors of that story, new york times political reporter katie glick. basil smikle is still with me. katie, tell us more about this effort to reach voters, especially those young male voters who helped return president trump to the white house.

>> absolutely. so it is no secret that. >> democrats really struggled to a striking degree with young men in. particular in the last election. and ever since, there's been a lot of thinking among democrats about how to better reengage. >> some of those americans going forward. >> and people have come up with all kinds of answers. >> but, you. >> know. >> one thing. >> that has emerged as an article of faith within the democratic party or within many within the. democratic party, is they need to be on some of these podcasts in some of these. other communication spaces where many of. >> these. >> young men are. >> getting their information, getting their news. >> and. >> you know, that can. >> be any number. >> of places. >> but but in. >> particular. >> there has been interest from a number of high profile. >> democratic leaders. >> in engaging through sports. they see communicating about sports as long. >> as authentic to. >> them. >> as a way to connect with voters and other listeners in a

nonpolitical setting. it's a way, as several democratic. governors told us, to show the. >> human side, the normal. side of their personalities. >> and some of them hope that. >> if they can. >> establish a little bit more of a relationship with listeners by finding common ground on something like sports and an apolitical space. perhaps that opens the door to having deeper conversations about politics in the future. and some of them are genuine sports fans. >> well. >> i mean, i would think that that's where you could get into trouble. like if there's a downside to this, it's you better know what you're talking about, because the folks who are listening to that podcast know, do you think do you think this could work, though, or is it just an attempt to play catch up? >> it's actually both. i do think it will work right before the election. pew research did a study. the majority of young voters get their news from influencers. most of those influencers or influencers are men, and most of them are conservative. and so for democrats, what what they need to do going forward is really,

yes, tap into that population. but, you know, find these ways of talking to voters just broadly, whether it's sports or anything else. so yes, i think in that sort of podcast, that kind of direct to camera, having these, these more intimate conversations with voters, i do think is helpful. is it playing catch up? yes. but the truth is, when is the best time to plant a tree? yesterday and 20 years ago. so if it's going to happen, it's got to happen right now. >> all right. so look, i mean we can joke about the fact. and i actually wasn't joking. you know, you better know your sports. you bette go on there and seem like, you know, you're faking it. on the other hand, you still have to if you're going to talk politics, you better have a message, which has been the conversation you and i have been having for quite a while now. >> right. so one of the most polarizing things i could probably say on one of those podcasts is that i'm a lifelong cowboys fan, so you don't have to be that. >> did i not? >> no. so you don't have to be that polarizing. but but what you but yes, you need to be able to actually strike a good message with voters. and that's

where i think that kind of intimacy being in these podcasts can work. and it's interesting because a lot of folks talk about the sort of joe rogan podcast, and they feel that maybe there is a there's an element of that where you don't need to talk about heavy issues. but why does neil degrasse tyson go all the time? brilliant astrophysicist. there's a way to be able to talk about complex things in a relatable way, and i think that's the lesson for democrats in this cycle. >> katie. michael. thank you. take a look. i know you were checking your phone on this. now down over a thousand points. the dow taking a bath today after the president said, i don't know, maybe we could have a recession, even though many people on his economic team are suggesting otherwise. we'll keep our eyes on that. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for chris jansing reports every weekday from 1 to 3 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. our coverage will continue with our coverage will continue with ♪♪ at bombas, we dream of comfort and softness.

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