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hour, including the. markets tumbling after president trump's talk of a recession. the growing measles outbreak. and massachusetts. >> senator elizabeth. >> warren is going to. >> join me. >> on democrats. >> path forward. but we begin with trump working to make good on his promise of retribution. the president targeting law. >> firms. >> law schools, universities, news organizations, and now even. permanent residents, with protests taking place in new york today after mahmoud khalil. a columbia university graduate who helped organize the school's pro-palestinian protests last spring, was arrested on campus grounds. by federal immigration agents. just one day after the trump administration said it was canceling $400 million in federal contracts and grants to columbia, accusing university officials of not doing enough to prevent anti-semitism on campus. khalil's attorney told nbc news that ice was informed that khalil. is a permanent resident. with a green card, but detained him anyway. khalil is now being held in immigration custody in

louisiana. what is most notable and most troubling about this development. is the lack. >> of. >> due process. >> it is. >> a chilling. escalation in trump's immigration policy. that follows the department of homeland security claiming without evidence that khalil had led activities aligned to hamas. secretary of state marco rubio later adding that they'll be, quote, revoking the visas and or green cards of hamas supporters in america so they can be deported. trump today celebrating the development, writing, quote, we will find, apprehend and deport these terrorist sympathizers from our country, never to return again. short time ago, new york. >> district judge blocked. >> the deportation of mahmoud khalil, ordering all parties to appear for conference with the court on wednesday. >> still. >> that brazen disregard. of civil. liberties in the. first amendment from. >> supposed free speech. absolutists is prompting an outcry. >> from legal organizations and activists taking notice of a pattern of the president shredding the first amendment by

targeting diversity, equity and inclusion programs. media organizations whose language he dislikes. law firms that worked with his opposition law schools, private colleges, and now permanent residents, like the case of mahmoud khalil, who is married to a u.s. citizen. >> who just. >> happens to be eight. >> months pregnant. joining us now, new york university law professor and msnbc legal analyst melissa murray. >> and murad. >> awad, president. >> and ceo. >> of the new york immigration coalition. what is he doing here? >> well, i think this is part. >> and parcel to donald trump's immigration. >> attacks. and what he's. >> trying to instill is even more fear. >> more panic, more. >> chaos in this moment to really push people further into the shadows and get people to quiet down, because he doesn't like people speaking up against. >> his horrific policies. >> and this is in alignment with his family separation policy. >> his. >> mass deportation agenda. >> and mahmoud. >> khalil, unfortunately, is part of he's not the first to be disappeared. but this is part and parcel to what ice does

normally with people who have status and people who don't. so in this moment, it is. incredibly troubling that we're seeing the erosion of due process as quickly as we are. and it really makes people wonder, are we still living in a country that is a run on the rule of law and the us constitution? are people still entitled to due process or are people still entitled to civil liberties? i believe that we are a democracy and that we are. >> just help me understand something. >> does marco rubio have. >> the power. >> to. >> revoke a person's green card or legal status? >> so under the immigration laws, there are extreme circumstances where. someone's status can be reconsidered if they are aligned with, for example, a terrorist organization or an organization that's been designated a terrorist organization. it is not the case here that, mr. khalil, that there is any evidence that. >> he. >> is aligned with a terrorist organization or is part of a terrorist organization. >> so this sort. >> of goes back to the question

of due process. >> yes. >> statuses can be revoked, but. >> typically when. >> that happens, there's an entire legal process that is followed. and what is surprising here, and alarming even, is that this is essentially the kind of strongman move that you've seen in other places where democracy has literally crumbled, places like pinochet's chile and things of that nature. this is not typically what we see in the united states, even in circumstances where we've had individuals whose statuses have been reconsidered and revoked. >> ron. >> you had. >> tom homan, trump's border czar, on fox, earlier this morning. >> i want. >> you. >> to take a listen to what he said. >> can you. >> deport a legal. >> immigrant? >> absolutely. we can. i mean, did he violate the terms of his visa? did he violate the terms of his residency here? you know, committing crimes, you know, attacking israeli students, locking down buildings, destroying property? absolutely. any resident alien who commits a

crime is eligible for deportation. >> okay. >> a lot of that not substantiated. >> talk to me, though, about the precedent. >> that this all sets. >> well, first and foremost, mahmoud khalil has not been charged or convicted with any crime. his only crime is being an anti-war protester on his college campus. and this is tom homan, again, talking out of both sides of his mouth, saying they're going after criminals. but then also 41% of the people they've detained have no criminal history. this is a white supremacist agenda that we're seeing play out in real time here in this country. and everyone should be concerned across the u.s. about what this means for them, because if they can snatch up and disappear, a permanent resident in this country, that means that they can also do that to u.s. citizens. and that is something that every single person should be concerned about. so you have you have sort of this attack. >> on individuals. >> and then you. >> have. >> this attack. >> on institutions, including the fact that you have trump

going after law firms. >> that have. >> done work for. >> democratic candidates. >> and there was some fear in the legal community that no. >> one. >> was going to come forth and want to actually work with defend perkins coie, simply because the risk to reward. ratio is off. there's new reporting today that williams. >> and connolly. >> has come forward. they're going to take this on. what does that tell you though. >> about the moment. >> we find ourselves in that? that's even a question. this is an administration that is moving swiftly to shut down any form of dissent and to delegitimize any avenues for dissent. this is a standard strong man move. universities are often places where critique dissent is fomented. you shut down the universities. you make it harder for them to operate. this retaliatory effort against columbia university is emblematic of that. you drive a wedge between the university populations, between the administration and the students. you shut down dissent in that way. you shut down dissent from law firms who might now be unwilling to uphold the rule of

law by taking on clients who may be unpopular with this administration. you also then turn and begin critiquing, as this administration has already done, the courts, so that if there is an unfavorable ruling for this administration, then the courts themselves are now sites of delegitimization. so this is all very, very standard. we're just seeing it happen at an alarming rate of speed. and you are exactly right. every american should be troubled by this. this is not the sort of thing we typically see in the united states. if they can do this to a lawful permanent resident, they can do it to anyone, and they will. you should be troubled by it. there's also sort of i think this question in this moment with everyone of these challenges, how we stand up and do the right thing. the action network has now collected close to 1.5 million signatures. a man demanding the immediate release of khalil, the new york affiliate of the aclu, wrote ripping a student from their home, challenging their immigration status and detaining

them solely based on political evidence. it's wild, right? so what do we do about it? >> well, this is a moment that everyone needs to stand up and start fighting back. take to the streets, call your congress members the how muted congress has been in responding to this trump agenda has been incredibly disingenuous for people who say that they're fighting for their constituents. where is that fight? bring it to the streets. bring it to the halls of congress. we need to see people taking up and actually stepping into their own power and understanding that being, you know, quiet or being scared is not going to help anyone. we need to step up in this moment. people should be signing petitions. they should be calling their congress members and specifically in this moment, demanding the release of mahmoud khalil because he has done absolutely nothing wrong for him to be in the situation that he is in. >> and you saw tish james came forward and said, this is deeply disturbing, deeply alarming. clearly, folks, still looking for more information. i guess what is just so rich, melissa,

is this administration claims to be defenders of the first amendment. right? and so. you know where i'm going. no question needed. so the first amendment has many parts. this administration is very selective about the parts of the first amendment that it chooses to uphold. it loves the free exercise clause. it hates the establishment clause that prohibits the government from establishing a religion. it has real antipathy for the whole prospect of freedom of the press. as we have seen, there is already a conservative legal movement and project afoot to dismantle new york times versus sullivan, which is a 1960s decision that is the absolute bedrock of a free press and media that could hold elected officials to account. and they are also very dismissive of free speech when the speech is not aligned with their preferred speech. and that's typically not how we have done it in the united states. the whole idea of the first amendment is pluralism, fostering pluralism in religion, in speech, in ideas, and encouraging dissent,

because dissent is the way by which we hold our leaders to account. it's what makes us a vibrant democracy rather than an obedient dictatorship. >> i think about. >> the waves that we have seen of immigration activism in this country, and the fact that i came up with that wave of immigrants that said, we're here and we're not afraid. right. and the backlash to now a generation growing up where they say, i am afraid and i am not sure that i can live in this country and boldly proclaim my place in this country because of the administration we live under. it is a whiplash not just in policy, but culturally, for these families and for these communities. >> yeah, we're seeing all time levels of fear in our communities across the city of new york, the state of new york in this country. but what we're also seeing is people actually stepping up in this moment, and they're fighting back and they're fighting for their friends, they're fighting for their families, and they're fighting for their communities.

and that's what we need to keep doing. one person, a donald trump, and his minions, will not take us out. i think that's the piece. we will continue to persevere in this country. we have built it generation after generation, and we will continue to do that. and i often tell people who tell me, you know, they want to see america great again. i said, tell me a moment where america was at this, you know, great moment in time. and then they can't really refer back to a time period. but what they are at times referring back to is they want to see this country whiter, and they feel this threat of people of color in the country. and seeing 2042 when the majority of u.s. residents will be people of color, as a threat to them, as if that's something bad, it's great. our diversity is what makes us beautiful in this country, and that's what we need to continue to foster, right? >> melissa murray. thank you both so much for getting us started. up next, as doge ramps up its efforts to dismantle the federal government, everyday americans, they are fed up and they're showing up across this country, including at a fiery rally for democracy in texas

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protests against doge and the trump agenda are getting louder, and demonstrations have erupted across the country. there's a protest at a tesla dealership in chicago that had a heavy police presence. in michigan, more than 10,000 people turned out for a rally with senator bernie sanders as part of his national fighting oligarchy tour, while senator elizabeth warren rallied a crowd of more than 3000. in texas. >> arnold and elon are bullies. >> yes. >> like bullies everywhere. >> donald and elon. >> are afraid of people who won't bend the knee. they are afraid of pushback. and we are here to push back. >> joining me now, senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. senator, 3000 people in texas. it is not a midterm. it is not a presidential election. your sense of why they're showing up. >> look, people are. showing up

because donald trump last tuesday night said that he's. >> doing. >> all the things he's doing because that's what the american. people have voted for. >> and i think people. >> are showing up to say, ma'am, we didn't vote for this. we didn't vote for elon musk, and we. didn't vote to take away nursing home care. >> from our seniors. >> we didn't vote. >> to undercut our. >> teachers, our students and our public schools. we didn't vote to say that little babies are not going to get access to. the health care that. >> they need. >> people all. >> over this country are saying, we. want a government that works for us, not just for a handful of billionaires. that's what this. rally was about. >> that's what. >> bernie's out there rallying around. and here's the best part. democrats are actually showing up to listen to people, to. >> rally with. >> people while republicans are hiding and being told by their leadership, don't go out. >> in public. >> don't have any town halls, because you might hear how much

people don't like what. >> you're doing. >> i'll tell you what was not rallying today the stock market. can you explain, for those of us who may not be super invested in the market itself, why it matters as an indicator. >> so think of the stock market as a flashing light, at least for how investors. >> and economists. >> who are looking at kind of the long range economic trajectory that this country is on. so let's start out, donald trump said back when he was running for office, he would do one thing on day one, and that was lower prices for families. his words, not mine. so he's now been there. we're heading into our. eighth week. and what has he actually done? and the answer is nothing to lower prices. but he sure as heck has created a lot of economic chaos and things that will actually increase prices for families. so he's

played red light. >> green light. >> with tariffs on again. >> off again with whether or not. >> we have. >> tariffs against canada. >> tariffs against mexico. >> he and his. co-president elon musk, have fired or attempted to fire because. >> most of this. >> is. not legal. thousands and thousands of people, people who keep. airplanes safe up in the air, people who test our drinking water to make sure it's okay to drink. thousands of veterans who work for the federal government and has basically tried to shut down a couple of agencies and shut down anyone that is. >> investigating any of elon. >> trump, elon musk's businesses. so that's what they've done and what the stock market in effect is flashing red over is that's not how you build a strong economy going forward. you create that kind of chaos. you try to lay off people. what

happens is consumers start pulling back. they don't spend as much money. businesses say, whoa. >> i can't. >> invest there. i can't know if i can invest in that thing. is there going to be a tariff or not be a tariff? and the consequence of that is that you start having everyone pull in that contracts the. >> economy. >> and that means we're in real economic trouble. and that's where. >> donald trump and elon musk are. >> driving us. >> you also have this big vote tomorrow happening in the house, an effort to avert a government shutdown. and you've pointed out the fact that what we're watching today in 2025 is directly connected to decisions that republicans made in 2017 about who they wanted to give tax breaks out to, and who they think should bear the brunt of that. talk me through that. also, tell me, do you think that republicans are going to get seven votes in your chamber to carry this over the finish line? >> i don't think so. so let's talk about it this way. keep in

mind what the real thrust of all of this is about. there is a giant fight going on in washington. it keeps playing out in different ways, but the basic fight is the republicans want to give about $4.6 trillion in tax giveaways to millionaires, billionaires and giant corporations. and how do they want to pay for it? they want to pay for it by taking a hunk out of the hides of seniors, of veterans, of little kids, of public schools. that's that's their plan. democrats say not on our watch. we are not doing that. and we're not going to help you do that. we're fighting back to say billionaires ought to be paying their fair share, and we need to invest in opportunity for everybody. and that. >> means. >> yeah, we continue to pay the money so that grandma can live

in the nursing home. yeah, we continue to pay for the home health aide for your friend who has was in a serious accident and needs some help to be able to live independently. and we continue to invest in our public schools. >> we continue to. >> do the things that help this economy work and ultimately help bring down prices for american families. this is democrats versus republicans. this is who do you fight for? republicans will fit on a bumper sticker exactly what they're trying to do. billionaires win, families lose. democrats were fighting that. >> senator, it strikes me that in your remarks in texas, you talked about how this administration and particularly this president, are not keen on anyone who is not willing to bend the knee. you had your colleague, senator mark kelly, visiting ukraine over the weekend in response to that decision to visit one of our

allies. elon musk called the senator, quote, a traitor. your thoughts on musk calling your colleague a retired astronaut, a retired u.s. navy captain, a traitor to this country. >> a man who has served honorably in our military, who has built his life around public service. and elon musk sits over there on his bags of money while he fires veterans, while he fires people across the workforce who are needed. elon musk has the nerve to call mark kelly a traitor. you know, the way i see this is elon. you better keep hiding behind those bags of money, because we know in america who really stands up for people, and that's mark kelly. this is elon and donald at their best. what they want more than anything else is they want everyone to bend the knee. they want everyone to bow down

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limited ukraine's access to intelligence and cut off their supply of weapons. meanwhile, russia has increased its attacks on ukrainian cities, murdering innocent civilians, which trump sees as normal or what, quote, anybody else would do. it has taken the trump administration just weeks to unravel 75 year alliance with western europe. last week, members of the european union held a summit where they announced that france would consider extending its nuclear umbrella to european allies, that the european nations would increase production of arms to defend themselves and help prop up ukraine. most importantly, all of this would be done because the united states is no longer considered a reliable ally. on friday, polish prime minister donald tusk announced that his government is preparing to require every adult male to undergo large scale military training to more than double the size of the army in the event of a war with russia. joining me now, msnbc political analyst rick stengel, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public

affairs in the obama administration. where does all of this leave ukraine? >> in a. >> difficult spot? >> i mean, i. >> wish we heard more from. >> the american. >> representatives, including marco rubio, secretary of state. asking for concessions from russia. they constantly talk about concessions. >> from ukraine. >> usually you ask for. >> concessions from. >> the aggressor when. >> the. >> aggressor is not doing well. >> but. >> you know, the only country when two countries that are at war, the country that wants a ceasefire is the one that's losing. >> territory, and. >> the country. >> that. >> doesn't want a cease. >> fire is the one. >> that's. >> gaining territory. which is. >> why russia is ambivalent about. a ceasefire. you know, as we've talked about before, what what trump has done. has upended 75 years of u.s. support. >> for europe. >> it's really it's just hard to imagine. and. >> the. >> europeans, i think. >> are just gobsmacked. but it. is a good thing. >> that europe is trying to strengthen itself. >> it is a good. >> thing that they will put more. >> money. >> into military defense. >> and that they. >> can.

>> do that without. >> the us umbrella. >> so we've talked about this in the context of what it means for ukraine. i think it's important to remember this also has consequences for us here at home, both in terms of the global order, the spread of democracy across the world and what happens when america first becomes america alone. the fact that you now have meetings of our one time allies where they are having discussions like what? what is this going to look like if we don't have the united states on our side, that's dangerous for us. >> yes. now i'm going to go way back. i mean, every american president since woodrow wilson has been a supporter of democracy promotion around the world, whether they like it or not. you know, countries have interests. >> and they. >> and they also have. >> things that we. >> have to do. so every american president has been a supporter of democracy promotion until donald trump. that's a that's a. >> sea change around. >> the world. and by the way. >> you. >> know who that helps? >> that helps russia. >> that helps china. china goes around the world saying our system is a lot better for achieving prosperity than those

democrats who are, you know, can't seem to run a two car funeral. >> you referenced secretary rubio. as you well know, this is not where he was as a u.s. senator. he was a co-sponsor on a bill that would block a president from pulling out of nato. today, he doubled down on how just stunned he was that zelenskyy would defend himself. take a listen. >> we explained to them. >> our position. >> we really wanted to get negotiations. >> we felt i felt. >> i was actually shocked. >> as it was happening because it. >> was the total opposite of everything we had talked about ahead. >> of time. >> i couldn't believe. >> what i. >> was seeing. i was like. >> this can't be real. >> but it was. but we have to move on. >> and so that all comes shortly after he defended joining musk and picking on poland. what is happening here? >> well, look, i want to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. i mean, i think he's a grown up in the room. >> in the. >> trump administration.

>> but tell me how diplomacy works. is it possible that you are a grown up in the room and not a grown up when the mics are on? like, have you seen that play out before? >> yes. >> okay. >> i think he's in a difficult situation. >> i don't. >> want to make it more difficult for him. he's, as you mentioned. >> he's a. >> traditional, almost a cold warrior. he was anti-russia. he's anti-cuba. he was very much in the kind of john. mccain mold of republican. engagement and globalization. you know, he has a different boss now, and. >> i think. >> he. >> has to kind of. get into. >> tune with that. and i hope he can help. >> you know. >> ukraine come to. >> a. >> decent situation with russia. >> i mean. >> again, i. >> hate. >> that he's talking about concessions from ukraine all the time, but but there will have. >> to be. >> some land. >> concessions or else russia just won't sign up for it. >> you said he was anti-cuba. i think he would say that he was anti castro's. but we will have that conversation when we have. >> yes. i'm sorry. more time. you know more about that than i

do. >> your sense of what we can expect from this jeddah summit. >> from the summit in, you know, they're talking a good game beforehand. you know, the secretary of state, mr. witkoff, the national security advisor, saying they're hearing good. >> things from ukraine. >> i think zelenskyy has learned his lesson that he has to kowtow a little bit to the to. >> the to the administration. >> and i think they want to do that mineral deal. and i think if zelensky says the right things and they. >> say the. >> right thing at the table, they'll sign the mineral deal and. then they'll go back to the table again. >> does he need to just say the right thing, or does he need to say the right thing with the in the right way? so much of that meeting ended up being tonal. >> yes. well. >> and childish. >> and not wearing a suit. come on. churchill didn't wear a suit when he came to see fdr. >> rick stengel i normally am spending my mornings with you. it is nice to see you in the evening. thank you so much for talking us through all of this. coming up, the major consequences trump's tariff policies are having on our

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right, congressman, your reaction to the president's comments there about the possibility of a recession? and then what we saw from the markets today. >> you know, the. >> last seven. weeks have really been. shocking and. >> yet not. >> at all surprising to those of us who. >> are on the campaign. >> trail, especially in my state last fall, attempting to warn people about what trump's economic policies would mean. >> the reality. >> is no. >> one, no one on wall street. >> no one at. >> the fed, no one was predicting. >> there would be a recession this year, only projections of growth as far as the eye could see. >> and then what happened? >> donald trump was elected and became president on january 20th. we are only seven weeks in to his presidency. and now what we see out of. >> fed data. >> is that we have. declined by a couple. percentage points in. >> this quarter. >> that we may very well be headed into a recession. in fact, a recession that has begu. right now we have. >> the markets. nasdaq is. >> in correction territory. >> it looks like the s&p.

>> and. >> dow jones have either hit. >> that today or right. >> now, with the pre market. also showing. >> that they'll be opening down tomorrow. >> it may. >> well hit that point tomorrow. so donald. >> trump is. >> not. >> just a regular ordinary screw up. he is a massive screw up. and to screw up this economy so badly that seven weeks into your presidency. you took a low unemployment, pro growth economy and turned it into a recession with stock market real falls, the likes of which we haven't seen since pre covid. >> i'm not going to make you listen to all the things that he said on the campaign trail. you know it well right. he was going to bring the price of eggs and everything else down this weekend. he posted on his truth social site an article by charlie kirk with the headline get this shut up about egg prices. trump is saving consumers millions. where, pray tell, are those millions being saved, congressman? >> well, i remember. >> you know, being from

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york, michigan. that's on top of canada's retaliatory tariffs. and it comes as canada's newly elected prime minister had this to say about the united states. take a listen. >> the canadian. >> government has rightly. >> retaliated and is rightly. >> retaliating with our own. tariffs that will have maximum impact in the. united states and minimum. >> impact. >> here in canada. >> and my government will keep. >> our. >> tariffs on. >> until the americans show us respect. >> we didn't. >> ask for this. >> fight, but. >> canadians are always. >> ready when someone else drops. >> the gloves. so the americans. >> they should. >> make no mistake. >> in trade, as. >> in hockey. canada will win. >> congressman, when you were in district and you were talking with folks in pennsylvania, how do you explain to them how donald trump has succeeded in turning our friends into foes? >> yeah. >> you know, when i was growing up, there. >> was a comedy.

>> movie about the us and canada going to war. >> it was a comedy. >> because the. >> thought was. >> so. >> laughable that, you know, no serious person would. >> think the us. >> and canada would ever go to war, whether an. >> economic war or. >> a hot one, because we are the best of friends, our close neighbors. indeed, i. >> don't think the us. >> has really ever had a. closer ally than canada. so for donald trump to make an. enemy out of. canada is. truly staggering. and i. >> worry not. >> just about the economic ramifications, but about the foreign policy and national security ramifications, about what trump is doing, not just with respect. >> to canada. >> but what he's doing with all of our european. allies as well. >> congressman, want to ask you to put your your budget hat on here, given the vote that you're going to be asked to take tomorrow about this stopgap measure so the price of eggs hasn't come down. we have inflationary tariffs. you have the president himself saying that a recession is possible. you have the market tumbling set

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>> was the reaction do you think. about ice coming to knock on your front door. >> for president trump's first 100 days? alex wagner travels to the story to talk with people most impacted by the policies. >> were you. there on january? >> i was there. >> on january 6th. >> did it surprise you that you were fired, given how resolutely nonpartisan you have been? >> and for more in-depth reporting, follow her podcast. >> trumpland. >> with alex wagner. >> the measles outbreak in the united states continues to grow, with maryland the latest to confirm a case of the highly contagious virus. howard county resident tested positive for measles after returning from international travel, and may have exposed fellow passengers at dulles international airport in virginia. there are now more than 200 cases across more than

a dozen states. most of those cases are among children who have not received the measles vaccine. that's according to the cdc. one death has been confirmed and another is under investigation in connection with the outbreak. joining me now, doctor adam ratner, director of the pediatric infectious disease unit at nyu langone hassenfeld children's hospital and author of booster shots the urgent lessons of measles and the uncertain future of children's health. i should note doctor ratner is here in a personal capacity. why are we seeing these cases? >> a couple of reasons. the you know, the easy answer to that is that measles was imported to a place where vaccine rates are low. that's the reason that we have an outbreak with second and third and fourth generations of spread in gaines county. the reason that we see some cases of measles in the us, despite a still a relatively high vaccination rate, is that there are places in the world where measles is circulating

constantly, and we kind of always get some importation of measles. but if you have a population in the us that has a 95% vaccine rate, then you don't get those additional generations of spread. >> what is the tipping point were you as an infection infectious disease expert? consider this a crisis. >> so i think we're getting there. i'm very concerned about what's going on in west texas and new mexico. we now have hundreds of cases. we had a child die of measles in 2025. in the united states. that should never happen. we have had a measles vaccine that is safe and that works for 60 years. so i think that is indicative of a crisis. >> well, and then meanwhile, you have a newly confirmed secretary of hhs who is a vaccine skeptic and who is also providing answers that are not grounded in science. he has talked about fringe theories about prevention and treatments, npr points out.

he emphasized treatment for measles, saying that vitamin a can dramatically reduce deaths from the disease. an interview with fox news on tuesday, he said texas doctors are giving steroids and cod liver oil to their measles patients and getting very, very good results. in his editorial, he said good nutrition is the best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. can you please just clarify for our viewers what the science actually says? >> sure. >> there is. >> a little kernel of truth in there about vitamin a, which is that we know that children who are malnourished and who have very low levels of vitamin a are at much higher risk of severe outcomes, including death from measles. and we know that vitamin a supplementation, certainly in those settings and possibly in settings like the united states, can decrease the risk of death. what vitamin a does not do is prevent measles spread, and taking vitamin a in order to prevent measles is a mistake. it doesn't work. people who are taking vitamin a can still get measles. they can

still get extremely sick from measles. the only way to prevent measles is by getting the measles mumps rubella vaccine. >> this also comes at a time when you have this administration making cuts to programs that are meant to tackle infectious disease in other countries, and i think it's really easy to see that as something that's happening over there. when you would think after covid, we would finally have understood that there is no over there. there is just here and everywhere. how does that make america less safe? >> it makes us really less safe in in the very near future, i think. and it's not just measles. i mean, measles circulates, you know, in many other countries. and the less that the united states contributes to vaccination programs, the more measles spreads, the more importations we will have. and as our vaccination rates drop, which they are doing, we will have more things that look like west texas. but even beyond that, you know, we have an ebola virus

outbreak. we have a marburg outbreak in different african countries. like there are things going on in the world that need our help. and the us and the funding from usaid is indispensable for this. and we are cutting back on surveillance, on testing, on containment of things that we really need to contain. and that all, even though it's happening over there, makes us less safe. >> i want to talk about what is within our control, and that is the choices that we make for our children and for ourselves. so if your child or your grandchild has followed a proper protocol, they should be vaccinated for the measles. >> yes, absolutely. so the routine vaccination schedule in the united states is two doses of measles, mumps, rubella vaccine, first dose between 12 and 15 months, second dose between 4 and 6 years. >> and for those of us who were given this vaccine when it was only one shot, what are we supposed to do? >> so the answer is it's a complicated answer. and it depends. for people who are

vaccinated. back in the 60s, when we were using two versions of the measles vaccine, one of which didn't work as well as the other, it makes sense for them to either see if they have the records, but most people don't, and then probably get vaccinated. for most people who aren't in a high risk situation, meaning not in west texas now, not traveling internationally, you're fine with the one dose, but if you're in a high risk situation, or if we start seeing more of these outbreaks, then getting a second dose. if you're one of those people and i am two who who got a single dose in childhood. >> that's very kind of you. not to say if you are old like we are, then please, i got to go call my pediatrician out of retirement. doctor adam ratner, thank you so much for being with >> thanks for having me. >> that is all for this hour. i'm alicia menendez. i'm going to see you again tomorrow night at seven eastern inside with jen psaki. starts now.