mediterranean coast, there killing, well, more than a thousand people and really shaking expectations that. syria might be able to get over its sectarian civil war, the 15 year. long civil war, and move into a new era of liberalism. but then we saw a. new deal between the sdf, the kurds and the northeastern part. >> of the. >> country and the government in damascus that has injected. new hope into the future of this divided nation. >> jose. >> and 1300 plus people lost their lives. matt bradley, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can always reach me on social media at jd balart. you can watch clips from the show at youtube, at msnbc.com/jdb. thank you for the privilege of your time. katy tur picks up with more news right now. >> good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we're going to start with breaking news because if you thought yesterday's dramatic

sell off would prompt president trump to temper tariffs, think again. just this morning, president trump announced more tariffs once again targeting canada, posting on truth social that starting tomorrow, he is doubling levies on their steel and aluminum from 25% to 50%. now, he says he's just responding to ontario's 25% surcharge on electricity it sends to michigan, minnesota and new york. and that is not all. he's also threatening substantially to substantially increase all of the tariffs on canada if canada continues to respond in kind, giving our supposed friends a deadline of april 2nd. here is how ontario's premier doug ford, reacted to it this morning on msnbc. >> i will respond appropriately on the on the electricity. stay tuned. i stress this is not the american people. canadians know

it. and if we go into a recession, it's self-made by one person. it's called president trump's recession. >> on the subject of recession, two new reports show a rising risk. goldman sachs puts the chances at 20% now, but jp morgan forecasts 40%, citing extreme u.s. policies. right now, let's take a look at the dow. it is down 450 points or so. a percentage point after it lost nearly 900 points and 2% at the close yesterday. so let's figure out what in the world is going on. let's begin at the white house with nbc news white house correspondent erin gilchrist and cnbc's bertha coombs, who joins us from cnbc. so, erin, the conventional wisdom is that donald trump pays attention to the stock market, but that doesn't feel so conventional any longer. what's going on? >> well, in this instance, katie, it seems as though the president may be paying attention to the television. we know that doug ford, as you noted, has been on tv quite a

bit today. he was on tv yesterday and has been really for the last couple of weeks here, talking about in particular, this 25% surcharge on electricity coming into three american states. it seems as though the president became aware of that, perhaps saw some of these interviews and a source with direct knowledge of the conversations has told our garrett hake that the president has been heavily focused on canada this morning in conversations that he's been having with aides in particular. this decision by ontario is something that it seems the white house, the president felt as though was something that needed to be responded to. and so now we've heard that president trump is looking to increase the tariffs on aluminum and steel imports coming into the us from canada, from 25% tariff that we expected to be coming tomorrow now to a 50% tariff. our friends at cnbc are reporting that that the paperwork is not done on that just yet, but it is something that is in the works. and so it's very likely that we'll see

those tariffs coming tomorrow. it's important to note, though, katie, that the canadians have not just been willing to roll over on any of this. we've heard from their national leadership that they intend to fight back. and as you noted with doug ford, we heard from the provinces that they intend to fight back as well. these surcharges on electricity. we know that in nova scotia, ontario is not the only one in nova scotia. they put some limits on the company's ability to do business in that particular province. they've taken some a look at some other actions they want to try to take as well. in response to these tariffs that are being instituted by the trump administration. >> let's talk to our friends at cnbc. bertha coombs is with us again. bertha, tell me about how the business community is reacting to this and why we're seeing just multiple days of a downward turn in the markets. >> you know, katie. >> to a certain extent. >> at the beginning, i think. >> people in business. >> were thinking, well. >> this is part of the. >> negotiation tactic. >> a lot. of bluster. >> but now as. >> they're seeing these tariffs starting to actually take effect, it is really rattling

investors, rattling. businesses as well. >> when you. talk about tariffs going up to. >> 50% on canadian. steel and aluminum, they are our biggest trading partner when it comes to those two things. and according to the us international trade administration. >> in. >> 2024 the us imported 6 million. metric tons. >> of steel. making up about two thirds. >> of our steel imports and just over 3. >> million tons. >> of aluminum. >> which makes up about three. >> quarters of imports on that front for canada. >> a pullback. >> would certainly be a big. >> blow, because. >> the us. >> accounts for about 90%. >> of its. >> export market in aluminum. >> and steel. and when trump. >> first imposed those 25% tariffs back. >> in the first. >> administration, it mounted into about. >> a 20%. >> decrease in the. terms of the imports that came into the country. but 50% from canada might be a whole different ballgame in terms. >> of market reaction. >> today, we're seeing automakers lower, except for

tesla. >> which is bouncing. >> back from. >> a. >> 15% decline yesterday. meantime. >> aluminum giant. >> alcoa and. >> us steel. >> are higher. >> today, presumably because they would face less competition. >> donald trump has made it clear that he wants to go after multinational corporations. he says the globalists have been ripping us off. bertha, i guess, what would it mean for him to try to reorder things, to try to take away their power, rehome them here in the united states? is this a three month ordeal? it is a is it a three year ordeal? is it a 30 year ordeal? how does he do it if he actually wants to do it? >> well. >> you know, certainly. you've seen a number of companies. >> making overtures. apple saying that it is going. >> to invest. >> on some production here. >> not for the iphone. >> it's very. >> difficult to. turn those things on a dime and suddenly bring them home. but you are seeing more. companies announce. >> you know. >> more production here. >> in the us. it doesn't happen overnight, but. >> the overall uncertainty.

>> is really starting. >> to filter. >> down and rattle, not just. >> for consumers. we've seen those consumer numbers. >> come in. >> in terms of the. >> consumer sentiment come in lower than expected. >> but just. >> this morning you had. >> delta warning that. >> they are seeing a. >> pullback when it comes. >> to both leisure and. >> business travel because of the uncertainty. and you also. had the. small business optimism. >> index falling two points in february. this is the fourth straight. >> month that we've seen. >> it. >> continue to fall. so a lot of. >> people very uncertain. >> president trump is sort of saying this. >> is going to work out in the long run, but. >> certainly in the short run it's. >> rattling people. >> yeah. he feels like he has the runway. let's bring in new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. i mean, in theory or in in reality, he can't run again. i mean, this is going to be his last term. so does he have the runway? peter. >> well. >> look, he's trying to say to

people, take your time, take a breath. this will all work out in the long run, and maybe it will, but in the short run, obviously there's a great deal of volatility and a great deal of uncertainty, even among, i think, fellow republicans and business leaders who thought they were getting an administration that was going to be friendly to them. i don't think they ever took the tariffs threat quite as seriously as they are now. they're seeing the, you know, the on again, off again escalation, pullback, pause nature of all this as a as a deterrent to you know, predictable planning which is what a lot of businesses want. and i think you know there's a worry about this leading to you know a worse outcome which would be something a recession. president himself acknowledged that possibility just the other day. the last person i can remember who said, hey, hang tight for a little bit during some disruption to our economy was joe biden when he said this. this inflation will go away as we try to reorder the economy post covid. well, it did go away eventually, but it did a lot of

damage in the meantime. >> what about the targeting of canada? he's being particularly vicious with canada. he posted on truth social that that, you know, there's a $200 billion cost to our relationship with canada doing some digging on that. nobody can figure out where he got that number from. if you're talking about trade, maybe it's 40 billion. but then when you're talking about intelligence sharing, which is something that he mentioned, national security. peter, explain to me the intelligence relationship between the united states and canada. are we are we basically just protecting them? are we their shield as he as donald trump is claiming? >> well, look, it's a two way relationship. we get a lot of out. >> of canada. >> as well. obviously we combine together to defend the north american continent, for instance, in terms of strategic defense, when the president talks about how he wants to have greenland because he needs he thinks it will be better for american security, have, you know, access to that territory. well, guess what? the territory

that we have in terms of our shared military cooperation with canada has obviously benefited the united states for a lot of years as well. it's a very odd thing, obviously, to see the united states president at war in terms of a trade war, at least with canada, if you had, you know, time travel from 25 years ago to today and somebody told you, hey, our biggest enemy would be canada, our biggest friend would be russia, vladimir putin's russia. i think a lot of people would have, you know, thought you were making stuff up or, you know, smoking something. >> yeah. it doesn't make a lot of sense. donald trump wants canada to be the 51st state. he keeps on saying it. justin trudeau, outgoing prime minister, just left, said you got to take him seriously on this, that he wants to hollow out the canadian economy so that the united states can subsume it. why does he want canada to be the 51st state? >> well, it's a great question because, look, this isn't something he ran on. i did a search not that long ago. all of his campaign appearances, all of

his, you know, statements and interviews during the 2024 election cycle never once talked about canada becoming the 51st state. this is not a campaign promise. and yet he seems to have adopted this sort of imperial imperialist attitude toward the world these days, saying canada should be part of the united states. he wants to take over greenland. he wants to seize the panama canal back, maybe even take over gaza. this is not the same. you know, america first, you know, sort of more isolationist view of the world. it's more of an america first imperialist view of the world. now, you know, does anybody actually think that the united states is going to subsume canada in washington? no, they don't think that. but he can do a lot of damage, even if he's just using it as a cudgel as part of his trade war with them. and the canadians are taking it very seriously, and they find it threatening. and in fact, this is changing the politics in canada and not to trump's benefit, by the way, had he not done this, had he not gone after canada, it's very likely that in the next election there would have been a conservative prime minister there. instead, the polls have shifted dramatically back toward

the liberal party, which was in the political pit and may give him yet another prime minister who's not a friend, not a friend of his. >> erin, any reason to believe that this is thought out policy and these are thought out statements coming from the white house collectively, or are we to understand that this is just donald trump acting as he acted, at least in the first administration, on a whim, airing whatever grievance comes to his mind, whatever idea comes to his mind as it as it pops into his head. >> well, certainly this most recent instance is one that seems to go with the latter of what you just suggested there, katie, that the president saw something in the last several hours that made him decide we need to change course. and as it relates to the steel and aluminum tariffs, we know that that 25% tariff was coming. that was on the calendar. march 12th was the date that we were going to see that. and people sort of expected it. in some ways, it had been baked into some of the reactions that we're seeing over

the last couple of weeks here. but now today we have this new action that we know the paperwork hasn't been drawn up on yet, an increase of 25% on aluminum and steel tariffs. and so it would suggest, as you noted, and as was the case in in previous administration in the previous trump administration, throughout the campaign, for that matter, that we would oftentimes wake up in the morning and see there had been a series of posts on social media that seem to be driving policy, and there's no suggestion at this point that there was already something in the works to increase these tariffs, in particular on canadian steel and aluminum. and so now with that april 2nd date for reciprocal tariffs around the globe, we'll all be watching to see to what degree that may change between now and then and if what exactly the additional reaction will be. because you'll have to remember, katie, the president said that if there's retaliatory action taken by other countries, they can expect the us to do even more. >> bertha, quickly, tesla stock that one did particularly poorly yesterday. what's going. on with it today?

>> tesla today is bouncing. last i checked. >> it. >> was up about 4%, but it's actually down. over 50% from its record high back in december. elon musk personally. >> has lost more than. $100 billion. in his. >> own personal wealth because. >> of that stock retrenchment. we're seeing, for. >> example, in china, sales. >> of teslas. fell nearly. >> 50% in february. so it's a very interesting thing to watch. >> and one of the things the president talked about is. >> that he's not going to watch the market move specifically as a barometer. but one. >> thing, katie, that. >> people will watch as a thermometer is. >> what happens. >> with jobs. and if. >> you start. >> seeing more. >> retrenchment, people spending less. people doing less, more. >> job losses, that is certainly something. that the white house will take seriously. >> well, we already see him trying to prop up tesla stock by saying he's going to buy himself a new tesla. all right everybody, thank you very much aaron gilchrist, bertha coombs peter baker appreciate it.

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crest. floor later this afternoon. and there are still big questions about whether it will pass. so what exactly is in it and who is not sure they're going to vote for it? joining us now are nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, along with kimberly atkins, store columnist and senior opinion writer with the boston globe, also an msnbc political analyst. so, ryan, what is in this bill? >> well. >> what this does, katie, is it effectively would. >> fund the. >> government through the end of this fiscal. >> year, which would. >> be until. >> september of 2025. it basically. >> keeps funding levels at the same levels that they were. >> during the biden. >> administration, which. means a lot of these cuts. >> that donald. >> trump has claimed to have found through d.o.j. >> would still be appropriated in this current funding bill. and this. >> is really kind of an anathema. to what. >> conservative republicans often talk about.

>> they are. >> usually very. >> much opposed. >> to these. short term. >> spending gaps to get them through. >> to the. >> next phase. in fact, this was. something that speaker mike johnson was. vehemently opposed to before he became. >> the house speaker. he will now preside what we. >> believe is. >> his fifth continuing resolution. >> since becoming speaker. >> of the house. >> listen to how he explained his rationale behind. >> supporting this particular. >> measure this. >> time around. >> here's the bottom line if congressional democrats refuse to support this clean cr cr, they will be responsible for every troop who misses a paycheck for every flight delay from reduced staffing at tsa, for every negative consequence that comes later this afternoon is will there be any democrats that cross over and vote for this continuing resolution? and we should point out that congressional democrats do not agree with his characterization of this being a clean cr, as he

describes it. and will johnson be able to keep all the conservatives on board to vote? yes, there is a real possibility that this passes with only republican votes, which is something that has never happened when it's come to these short term spending plans. and so if it does pass the house with only republican votes, it will still need democratic votes on the senate side in order to be passed and keep the government open. so there is still a lot that has to happen between now and friday to make sure the government stays open. katie. >> do we know what's going to go on with these four congressmen? there's tim burchett of tennessee cat came back from or came back from florida, rich mccormick from georgia, and beth van duyne from texas. do we know how they might vote tonight? and if they do vote or this afternoon, if they do vote no. any chance there's going to be four democrats who say yes to this bill, or maybe four democrats who don't show up for the vote? >> so republicans huddled this

morning and had a visit from the vice president, jd vance, who made a pitch directly to those four wayward republicans, warning them that this is something that president trump wants. trump emphasized how much he wants it by going after tom massie, who right now is the lone definitive no vote from the republican party, which means that johnson can't afford to lose another vote. that's sending a message to that group of four wayward republicans to not stray far from the flock here when it comes to that vote. so i'd be very surprised if they lose any votes in that regard. and republicans do seem very confident that they will ultimately come around, although all four have yet to say definitively how they plan to vote. as for the democrats, they're keeping their powder dry on this, katie. they won't say whether or not they have all of their members on board, but right now they're striking a chord of unity, which means, at the very least, they're going to force republicans to pass this with only republican votes. >> kimberly, it's going to go to the senate. they're going to need democrats in the senate. and the calculation changes up

there in the upper chamber. what should democrats do, in your opinion? >> well, it's clear what they're trying to do now. they could follow the example of house democrats who are, as you said, pretty unified against this on the idea of, yes, this would continue the current funding for a short period of time. but the reason that we have this cr, this stopgap funding measure, despite the fact that republicans have long been opposed to them, is because the longer term proposals that the republicans and the white house have come together with are so deeply unpopular they would cut medicaid, they would cut veterans services, they would cut crucial infrastructure spending. and so because of that, they know they can't pass that. now, who knows if they ever will be given the other economic problems that you talked about in your first segment. and so they're kicking the can down the road. and democrats are saying, well, wait a minute. just because your policies are hugely unpopular

and dangerous to the american people, don't put it on us and blame us if we don't want to help you along with that. but the reality is there are democrats that are in more conservative states, more swing states that may not, whether it's true or not, want to take the hit for voting against something and leading to a shutdown. so the calculus is different in the senate. but one thing that is pretty clear is that you have democrats who are against the longer term proposals, and republicans that are trying to get out of a jam now. >> yeah. kimberly atkins store, ryan nobles, thank you very much. and joining us now is pennsylvania congresswoman and member of the house appropriations committee, congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you for being with us. how do you plan on voting? >> i'll be a no on this. cr continuing resolution for a number of reasons. and i'll go back to where the speaker's clip came in here. we need a speaker of the house who is an honest broker of information to the american public, not just to his

conference, but to all of us. and when the speaker calls this a clean cr, it simply isn't clean would mean it kept funding for veterans. for example, this slashes $23 billion worth of veterans funding, specifically veterans who have suffered from their service. toxic fumes from burn pits. it would wipe out $23 billion of support for our veterans. it would wipe out supplemental food for seniors, thousands, tens of thousands of seniors who are most neediest among us would be rejected for that supplemental nutrition. this is not a clean cr. sadly, what it is a disguise of loyalty to donald trump handing him the power of the purse. now, in writing, i will be a no on this because it is an irresponsible piece of legislation. it is no way to budget. and by the way, they never came to the appropriations committee. they never came to the table in all of these months, never came for

responsible budgeting with democrats. >> what do you say to a federal worker who might find themselves on furlough or, you know, not getting a paycheck in the longer term sense because of a of a government shutdown? i mean, if republicans can't stay in line and democrats don't get on board, there are going to be people who are suffering the consequences. how do you how do you tell them? how do you explain your vote to them? >> sadly, it takes me back to 2019 when i was first sworn in in the longest government shutdown in our nation's history. guess who was president then? donald trump round one. i'll say what i had to say to furloughed workers or essential workers like air traffic controllers. i went to the philadelphia airport and met with air traffic controllers. they had to report to work even as they were not paid. imagine that we would continue that kind of cruelty injury to our

country. it was also an economic disaster for our country to have a shutdown. so i will tell them that i am here, ready to stand with them, protect their jobs because they do their jobs with sincerity, service to all of us. look what's going on with the chaos of this administration. look what's happening to the economy, not just for federal workers, for workers all across our economy. so i'll stand with those who are furloughed, those who are essential and have to continue to work without pay and call out what this is a grotesque overreach by the trump administration. let's remember what it's all about. this isn't about finding waste, fraud, and abuse. this isn't about saving money or taking the deficit down. it's about ballooning the deficit. they are right now crafting the tax break bill that will add $4.5 trillion to our deficit. tax breaks for the wealthy, tax breaks for donald trump, elon musk and their friends. >> let me let me play elon musk last night talking about ways to

get the deficit down. let's listen. >> the goal here is let's not have america go bankrupt with waste and fraud. the waste and fraud in entitlement spending, which is all of the which is most of the federal spending, is entitlements. so that that's that's like the big one to eliminate. >> so entitlement spending, the big one to eliminate. it seems like he's talking about the waste and fraud there. can you can you give us an assessment program. well can you give give us an assessment of whether there is enough waste and fraud to cut out $4.5 billion in tax breaks? >> i don't know the answer. and it's very obvious elon musk doesn't know the answer. what we do know, actually, is that social security checks, for example, are processed with more than 99% accuracy, 99%. so if elon musk was really interested in looking for that massive waste and fraud, fraud or what

might be just an inaccuracy of a single percent, he knows the math doesn't add up. and really, what he said there is he wants to cut the programs entirely. i have to tell you, my phones are ringing off the hook in meeting after meeting in in committee meetings, constituents are talking to me. seniors are talking to me deeply, gravely worried about what elon musk said openly and was not questioned by. in the snippet i saw on fox news, he was not questioned about wanting to cut entitlements. by the way, these aren't entitlements. i don't like that word. these are earned. our seniors, you and i, we pay into social security with the promise that because we have supported our country and this program, they will be looking after us as we age, helping us with health care needs, helping us, our seniors in nursing homes who have no grand assets and need to be supported in their health care by medicaid. so what

he's talking about is actually taking that, which was earned by american citizens and wiping it out. they will not be successful, but people will be hurt in the meantime. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you very much for joining us. and the u.s. and ukraine hold meetings ahead of critical discussions between president zelensky and secretary rubio. what we're learning from those talks, that's next. and later, how a key federal agency now led by rfk jr, is responding to the by rfk jr, is responding to the dangerous measles outbrea choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels. because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. ugh, when is my allergy spray going to kick in? -you need astepro. -astepro? it's faster, bro. 8x faster than flonase. it's faster, bro! it's faster, bro! it's faster, bro! it's mom to you. astepro starts working in 30 minutes. astepro and go!

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important to remember there are still checks and balances. there's a lot being thrown at the american people right now and it is really important to pay attention to it, but it is just as important to recognize how many of those things are getting announced. but they're not happening at all, or at least not yet. just try to remember we are not looking at the final score. we are still in the first quarter. keep your

pads on. the game has just begun. >> president volodymyr zelensky is in saudi arabia as ukrainian officials negotiate with secretary of state marco rubio and others. ukraine's military is setting out to prove it still has the muscle to fight. overnight, it launched its largest attack yet on moscow. a massive drone strike that killed at least three people. in response, russia stepping up its own attacks, bombarding a fuel storage facility with ballistic missiles and more than 100 drones. again, this is all while ukrainians and americans meet to hammer out a peace deal. joining us now, david ignatius, washington post foreign affairs columnist and ambassador michael carpenter, former national security council senior director for europe. all right, michael, i want to begin with you. how do you how do you go to saudi arabia and hold peace talks when one of the countries involved in the war, the one that was the

aggressor is not there? is the united states acting as russia here? are we are we proposing russia's ideas for peace to the ukrainians? >> well, i think this administration is trying to do is to position itself between ukraine and russia, which is not where the united states has been over the course of these last three years of this brutal war against ukraine. we have been siding with ukraine and trying to represent ukraine's interests to the best of our abilities. now there's an equidistant position which you saw in that famous oval office meeting. in terms of some of the remarks from president trump and what it appears the united states is trying to do here is put pressure on ukraine to come to the table to do a deal with russia in the absence of any security guarantees for that deal to be secure over the longer term. what ukraine wants is european powers on the ground, so that if russia reneges at some point in the future, there will be forces there to enforce some sort of

peace. but it appears this administration wants to do a deal. in the absence of that kind of a security guarantee, just to get something on paper that will lead to a cease fire in the immediate term. that's not what ukraine wants. >> david, how does that help the united states, though? so if there's a peace deal that doesn't actually cement peace and say, russia invades or does something aggressive again, doesn't that just blow up in donald trump's face? >> that's the argument precisely that nato secretary general mark rutte and other europeans have been making to the trump administration. if you make a deal without security guarantees, to return while donald trump is president. it will, just, as you said, blow up in his face. so they're saying trump as much as anyone has now interest in a stable and sustainable peace. i think michael put his finger on the key issue of security guarantees. i think that's still

something that's being hammered out in these meetings in, in, in saudi arabia. the ukrainians are looking for a formula that the united states might accept. most of the responsibility here is on europe. the issue that's going to arise beyond these talks, and we'll have to see what the readout is from rubio and secretary of state rubio and national security advisor mike wallace later, later today. but the real issue now is what putin is willing to do on his part to make negotiations work. putin has been strident in rejecting the ukrainian proposals, and he seems to have the same ambitions he had before the war began, before the ukrainians had fought so valiantly to prevent russia from from seizing kyiv and taking over ukraine. so, so, so the really tough part, i think, follows the meetings in, in saudi arabia. i'd be surprised if the ukrainians didn't provide

enough that that the trump administration will say, okay, let's let's we now we now are ready to go to the table. but that's where the real battle is going to begin. >> yeah. explain that to me, ambassador. how do you how does the united states walk out of this meeting and then get russia on board with it? i mean, this is a one sided negotiation. they're going to have to get the other side, the aggressor, to say yes to this. what does that what's that going to look like? >> yeah, that's the million dollar question. i think the sides will walk away from the table in saudi arabia with some sort of a critical minerals agreement that purports to provide security guarantees. but remember that u.s. companies were in ukraine when the full scale invasion began in february of 2022. so it's hard to see how u.s. mining interests would somehow deter russia from invading ukraine in the future. the bottom line here is that there is no overlapping venn diagram between the two, between ukraine's interests and russia's interests, and all the pressure that the u.s. is bringing to

bear right now is on ukraine, not on russia. as david just said, putin has been very clear. what he wants is five ukrainian oblasts, or regions to be ceded to russia in their entirety. he wants a guarantee that ukraine will never join nato, and that there will be no nato allied troops inside ukraine. and furthermore, he's demanding that there be some sort of demilitarization of ukraine over the long term, meaning a cap on the size of the ukrainian armed forces. that to president zelensky is capitulation. and so it's very hard to see how the united states, the trump administration, can bring the two sides together and get a deal when there is absolutely no overlapping interest here in a cease fire. >> david, what exactly do we get out of this? why is donald trump inserting himself so forcefully into this negotiation? if he just wants to save the money that we're sending to ukraine, that's one thing. but is there something else that that he he sees the united states getting

out of this, that maybe i'm not seeing? >> yeah. so, katie, i think we probably should take trump at his word when he says this war has has been a horrific nightmare with the level of death and destruction that the world just finds unacceptable. this is a war that needs to come to an end. he said that repeatedly through the campaign, and i think he probably means it in his transactional way. he wants to get something for america's role in ending, ending the war. but, you know, i think this is a killing ground. trump says it over and over again. and so i think that's really at the top of his agenda. >> all right. david ignatius, ambassador carpenter, thank you very much for joining us. and coming up next, a judge blocks immigration officials from deporting a palestinian activist who became known for his role in the columbia university

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