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climbed back after being down more than 700 points a couple of hours ago. it's now about 195 or so, points down half a percentage point as well. it has been another tumultuous day, though, following yesterday's 2% dive. this morning it looked like things would rebound a little. that's until donald trump announced another round of tariffs on canada. posting on truth social that starting tomorrow, he is doubling levies on canadian steel and aluminum from 25% to 50%. the president said he was angry that ontario's premier dared to add a 25% surcharge on electricity it sends to michigan, minnesota and new york, which, thanks to a conversation with commerce secretary howard lutnick just a moment ago, apparently has now been suspended pending a renewal of the usmca. the trade deal, ahead of the coming april 2nd tariff deadline. it's all very

confusing and moving very quickly, and that is why the fears of a recession are still out there. goldman sachs now puts the risk of recession at 20%, while jp morgan forecasts 40%, citing, quote, extreme u.s. policies. but neither prediction nor the dramatic sell off have yet moved the president to temper his tariff policy, meaning that for the first time, it seems he's not reacting to the headlines of the moment, instead insisting he's taking a longer view of his positions. so is he, or am i about to eat my words? joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard, nbc news business and data correspondent brian chung, cnbc global supply chain reporter lori ann larocco, and staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc political analyst ashley parker, who also might be eating her words alongside me soon enough. brian, i am going

to begin with you. give us a give us a rundown of what we've seen today. because, you know, 30 minutes ago the dow was down quite a bit. and now it does look to be rebounding. >> yeah, it was a roller coaster ride here on wall street, which was an extension of the roller coaster that we had yesterday. with that slide down again the s&p 500 falling 1.7% just yesterday. but today, even though it will look like at certain points of time in the day that it was going to be another ugly day, we've actually just recovered that and the s&p 500, just for a hot second actually was in the green. the nasdaq, that kind of tech heavy sector had been oscillating above and below where it closed the day yesterday looking like a christmas tree, green and then red and then green and then red. so there's kind of been this back and forth in trading on wall street. but i've been talking to investors here at the new york stock exchange all day. and a number of them were saying that they're not necessarily sure that the worst of the turmoil, the worst of the volatility is really past us, because that tariff conversation is still happening. and i do think that that timely news just a few minutes ago that doug

ford, having that conversation with the secretary of commerce, howard lutnick, and that resulting in a backing off from the ontario side of things, of levying that 25% surcharge on electricity to the three states of michigan, minnesota and new york. that has coincided with some of the bounce back that we've seen in the stock market again, as the s&p 500 does basically, you know, float around at the level that it ended the day yesterday. that is certainly, perhaps welcome news for investors that are just hoping maybe there's at least a conversation happening between these major policy makers to try to talk down and bring the temperature of these tariff talks down a little bit, but we'll have to see whether or not it results in any other action, because we have those retaliatory or rather reciprocal tariffs that will be coming up april 2nd not long from now. >> what about the prospect for a recession, looking at what both goldman sachs and jp morgan chase are predicting toward the end of this year? >> yeah. and again, i want to point out that the numbers that we have right now on how this economy looks does not point to a recession at the moment. but yes, when we talk about the predictions for whether or not a recession could be coming down

the pike. yeah. look at those stats ahead of you. jp morgan chase and goldman sachs, these wall street banks that watch the economy so closely raising their odds of a recession happening, that is certainly something that's underscored by the wall street action in a recession. if there's a substantial contraction in economic activity that is bad for companies that want to return to their shareholders, there's not enough net income for them to return in the form of dividends or buybacks. i mean, without getting into the advanced finance, there's also the main street implications of the american consumer accounts for about 70% of economic activity in this country. so if they stop spending, that would make the u.s. economy contract as well. and we've already heard concerns from the likes of delta airlines, american airlines pulling back their forecast for how much people could be spending on travel in this current quarter. you also have kohl's on the retail side of things guiding lower on their outlook as well. so again, these are companies that are worried that the c-suite concerns will spill over to main street as well. katie. >> ron, what is the white house saying about this conversation between doug ford and howard lutnick? >> nothing that i'm saying yet. i think it's notable that

caroline leavitt's briefing wrapped up. and then this statement came out from premier doug ford of ontario, just here in the last few minutes. but i'm waiting to see from howard lutnick and the commerce department in the white house more official comments, because it's not clear the extent to which the u.s. is seeking to roll back any tariffs. of course, president trump the threat this morning and the indication that he would double the tariffs on steel and aluminum from canada from 25% to 50% was a threat. but the paperwork had not been formally signed. and that that was intended to go into place tomorrow. and that's when a premier, doug ford, said that he would place 25% cost on electricity going to the united states, michigan, minnesota, new yorkers who part of their energy systems are reliant on that electricity from canada. and so clearly, there is a stand down, at least specifically on increasing from the canadian side that 25% cost onto

electricity coming into the united states. but all of this is part of the idea, in this apparent statement that it was released by ford and lutnick, that the usmca trade agreement would be renegotiated. of course, next summer is the summer of 2026. specifically, is when that reauthorization period for negotiations of the usmca was going to be coming up anyways. again, what is the actual objective and endgame goal result of this entire trade war standoff between the united states and canada? it's not clear, and i don't think this initial statement in the last few minutes makes it any more definitive. exactly what the u.s. is looking for. >> all right. with all this back and forth, lauren, i'm curious how this affects supply chains. is the supply chain able to follow. there's a tariff. there's not a tariff. there's a surcharge. there's not a surcharge. >> it's going to be twofold. so the immediate. aspect are the shippers getting in to kind of give you a. sense when the chinese tariffs hit one of the shoemakers that.

>> i you know that that. >> i interviewed, they told me they got hit with a $75,000. extra tariff that. day that they were not planning for. so when you're looking at in companies, katie, that are bringing product in, they're going to be slapped immediately with the additional tariff, and you're going to be talking about a very big price tag here. now, when you look at the why, i've got a really great chart that i want to show you in terms of the why, trump does have a reason for deploying these tariffs on china. in 2001, biden rescinded the 232 tariff on steel and aluminum. look at that chart. once biden was elected and he took. on those tariffs. look at the amount of aluminum that has come in from both canada as well as australia. canada, of course, as you can see, is the larger of the two. now, this actually impacted u.s. jobs. we had

smelters that actually closed over the last year because of these of the dumping, if you will, of the aluminum tariffs. so that's the reason why you have a lot of u.s. aluminum and steel makers rejoicing in this. but it's that fine line, because then you've got the shippers that, you know, they may be making hammers or other tools, if you will, with those products, they're going to get slapped with their tariff, and then they're going to have to go back to the retailer to say, hey, listen, can we share some of this pain? and based on my discussions with a lot of companies, those retailers are telling them no. so they have to eat it. >> so there's always a knock on effect. but it is an important point to make about how there are some u.s. industries who believe the tariffs are a good thing. and i'm so happy you brought that graphic showing just how much more aluminum and steel we imported after joe biden became president five years ago. ashley parker that gets us to the long view of

this, and i've been wondering this for a few days. i believe you're wondering it as well. usually donald trump reacts pretty swiftly to headlines to the markets especially, but he's not doing so now. and just to remind everybody, let me play what donald trump has has said about the markets. and you can see how it's changed from when he was president to the first time to, to today. excuse me. listen. >> every day for the last long period of days, the stock market meaning companies have been hitting new highs. the stock market reached yet another all time in history. all time high today. boosting the retirement savings, hopefully, of everybody in this room. you know, the markets have gone through the roof since november 9th. that's the day after i won the election. the economy has just been reported to be doing very

badly. the stock market's way down. we have a very, very sick country right now. you saw the other day with the stock market crashing. that was just the beginning. nothing to do with the market. i'm not even looking at the market. you can't really watch the stock market. if you look at china they have a 100 year perspective. we have a quarter. we go by quarters. >> so that's interesting right there. that's a different donald trump. don't look at the short term. look at the long term. is that what's going on here. is he really trying to rebalance things. and is he willing to take the pain that that's going to cause in the short term? >> well, this has been. >> absolutely fascinating. >> to watch. >> and if you'll indulge me for a second, you and i and vaughn, actually, we all first met back in 2015 when no one thought that donald trump was going to win the presidency. and when he did, i was finishing up at the new york times. i was just getting ready to leave to go to the washington post, and i had to field all of these frantic

questions from reporters and editors there who had never expected him to become president, trying to understand who is this man and how does he behave? is he playing three dimensional chess and having reported on him and observed him? and this was true then, and it's been true up until right about now. the answer i gave, which is long held true, is donald trump is a businessman who is trying to win the minute, the hour, the day, the week he is trying to win over the person directly in front of him. he is not playing 3d chess. so watching. and he's also someone who, from those earlier clips you showed, he treats the stock market numbers the way he treats polls. when it's up, that is good for him. if he's in power, you know it is bad. if they are down for whoever is in power him. and so to see him now, taking this perspective, which we've seen for a couple of days now of likening it to china, saying i'm in it for the long game, you know, potentially a centuries long appeal. this is something we've seen from other

presidents, like president obama trying to push through the affordable care act, but never really from trump in a sustained way. and so i am so curious to see how long he can stomach that short term pain for what he claims will be long term gain, especially when the stock market he views as a reflection on himself the way polls are. >> he said that he believes that multinational corporations are bad, globalists are bad. they're they're stealing from us. is that the view of the people that he's put around him as well? i mean, could this be the goal of the administration of the economic folks that are inside that this administration to try to bring back manufacturing home to rehome multinational corporations, to make this a place that is less dependent on global forces? >> we'll put it this way. you certainly have a more homogenous group of advisers around him this time than you did the first

time he was president, right? where you had gary cohn stealing pieces of paper off his desk to try to prevent, you know, what he viewed as cataclysmic trade decisions. you have peter navarro in there who definitely shares this view. but again, what's interesting is while there are more people who have that view, this idea that the united states is getting a bad deal, that we're getting taken advantage of, and that one of the ways to stop it is through trade and through tariffs. in terms of the comments and the recognition of the current reality, it's actually trump who is far more willing to acknowledge there might be, as he would put it, a little bit of a disturbance. this might be a little bit of a transition period. and not everyone in his administration is saying the same thing. and that's yet another thing that's causing these markets to fluctuate wildly because the markets like certainty. and when trump says one thing in, his commerce

secretary says another thing, that's confusion, not certainty. >> yeah. and also he's been going back and forth on tariffs levying them and then levying them, putting a pause on them, reinstating them. it hasn't exactly been a focused and direct goal oriented message from this white house. vaughn hillyard lori ann larocco ashley parker, everybody, thank you so much for joining us. and still ahead, a potential major breakthrough in peace talks between u.s. and ukrainian officials. what president volodymyr zelenskyy just agreed to and what russia could get in return. plus, what are who, what or who could get in the way of speaker mike johnson's funding bill to avoid a government shutdown? this is not speaker mike johnson, but you know who he is. that vote on the house floor is coming a little bit later. also, what a federal judge just decided, as the trump administration moves to deport the palestinian activist who led last year's columbia student

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>> joining us now, nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. let's focus in on on elon musk saying what economists, people who study the government. i think the cfpb has said about what you need to do in order to get this $4.5 trillion tax cut, and that is to cut social security, to cut medicaid, to cut medicare. go into the things that are known as entitlements, although obviously folks will consider will will quibble with whether entitlement is the right word, considering we're all paying into him. >> right. and, katie, i think that this is where the rub really is as we go into these budget negotiations, once we clear this showdown over government spending here at the end of the week, is that how exactly do you get to that figure? right. you need if you're hoping to cut $2 trillion in spending, you have to touch those social programs, which are incredibly popular and that millions of americans rely on. and republicans are insistent. elon musk is insistent that

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>> today we made an offer that the ukrainians have accepted, which is to enter into a ceasefire and into immediate negotiations to end this conflict in a way that's enduring and sustainable and accounts for their interests, their security, their ability to prosper as a nation. and hopefully, we'll we'll take this offer now to the russians, and we hope that they'll say yes, that they'll say yes to peace. the ball is now in their court. and but again, the president's objective here is number one above everything else. he wants the war to end. and i think today ukraine has taken a concrete step in that regard. we hope the russians will reciprocate. >> secretary of state marco rubio and national security advisor mike wallace came out of today's summit with ukrainian president zelenskyy with hopeful news, as you just heard right there. now, president trump's special envoy, steve witkoff, is expected to travel to moscow to sell the deal, according to a source familiar who spoke with nbc news. other outlets are

reporting that witkoff will meet directly with vladimir putin. joining us now from saudi arabia, nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. these were long negotiations. what came out of them? keir? >> well, surprises honestly because the ukrainians went into these negotiations, which were with senator, secretary of state rubio, the national security adviser, and their equivalents from ukraine, they went into these negotiations, the ukrainians saying they wanted a partial ceasefire in the air and on the sea. instead, what they they came out agreeing to was a ceasefire, 30 day full ceasefire. now it has to be accepted by the russians. and by the way, that's a huge caveat, as you know, katie. but still, though, it is a big change for the ukrainians, too, because, as you know, they have been insisting on security guarantees. that was what fueled that disaster in the oval office with president trump and president zelenskyy. security

guarantees are not in this joint statement. what is in this joint statement is reestablishing the intelligence flow from the americans. for the ukrainians, even in offensive operations and also the supply of weapons and aid. so that's what the ukrainians wanted to get back in place. they've managed to achieve that. but in exchange for that, they have agreed potentially to sign up to a ceasefire without any security guarantees from washington. >> what do we know about how they're going to try to sell this to moscow? >> yeah, well, that's another good question because, you know, russia is this it's winning on the battlefield. certainly it is pushing the ukrainians slowly, slowly out of the part of russia that they hold in the kursk region. so there is a good question, which is why would the russians sign up for a ceasefire? now? i think it doesn't just put the spotlight on the russians, though. it also puts the spotlight on the trump

administration and their negotiations with the russians. are they going to be able to prepare, put pressure on the russians in order to concede? and what will they concede or will the russians get? we don't know what the russians are going to be offered. as you mentioned, steve witkoff, the envoy for president trump heading to moscow this week, we're told. keir simmons reporting from jeddah, saudi arabia, for us. thank you very much. and joining us now, european union chief diplomat and former prime minister of estonia kaja kallas. really good to have you. thank you for joining us today. and thank you for braving new york city traffic. it can be hairy this time of day. first, your reaction to what secretary of state marco rubio announced today? >> i think. it's positive. i was in contact with the ukrainians as well. and they are, they said was very. >> constructive, meeting very, very good discussions. >> and also. >> you know, the messages that come out are very good. and like the secretary of state, rubio said the poll is now in russia's

court. >> what about security guarantees? it doesn't appear that there are any in this deal. >> well, right now is the question of ceasefire, whether, you know, there is any kind of ceasefire that holds. and that is a show of goodwill that that the parties are willing to, to make steps in that direction. i think, you know, it's the first step. >> do you expect goodwill from russia? >> i don't, but but they are trying to play this, this game showing that it's not them. but i think, you know, this is really important to put the pressure on them because it can stop this war any time. and i agree with, you know, president trump who says that, you know, the killing must stop, but the killing can stop if the russians just stop. >> what are the conversations within the eu like regarding our sudden and very swift change in posture toward both ukraine and the european union and nato? >> well, we definitely need to

adapt to the to the new situation. we have been long standing allies and friends with the united states. and of course, we are in constant contact and trying to understand what is really going on and where this is all going. i think the message is that we get from saudi arabia today are actually a very good ones. also, the message is that the military aid and also the intelligence sharing is again, you know, provided by americans. >> can the eu can nato do this alone without the support of the united states? >> well, of course we need to be in this together, and not only with the united states and european union, but all the partners around the world who share the same principles. i was just in united nations security council talking about the un charter. that really sets out the principles. and why is it in place is that, you know,

countries wouldn't attack another country. and that's why it is important that all these countries around the world who respect those principles stick together and say it's not okay. >> you said in that speech that it's getting violated left and right, that aggression appears to be winning, that the people who signed on to this charter aren't abiding by this charter. >> yes. and that is a big problem. the international law is really under heavy fire. and the question for us is what we do about this. are we, you know, developing the international law further? and i think, you know, there are several elements that are needed, for example, accountability. what happens if you really do breach the un charter has to be more automatic. >> so what can you do? because right now it seems that the un charter doesn't have any teeth to it. >> and it definitely needs more teeth in terms of reaction and accountability. but what can we do is to really stick together with those countries who still value those principles in the un

charter and, you know, do the things that we can do, put the pressure on those who violate the treaty by, you know, sanctions, by political pressure, by economic pressure, the tools that we have in our hands. >> the uk has said it will be willing to add peacekeeping troops to ukraine. anybody else within the eu willing to do that as well? >> well, first there has to be peace so that there can also be peacekeeping and the discussions are ongoing by different countries who have provided security guarantees that what do these security guarantees really mean in practice? >> but if you do put peacekeeping troops into ukraine and you are a nato member and russia decides to be aggressive, that that could start world war three. >> that's scary. no, no, no. again, article five in nato is not automatic. it's only when a country calls that article five

is used. for example, the only time that it has been used is when united states was saying that, you know, the nine over 11 attacks were attacks against you and also called the others to come and help, which we did at that time. so it's not automatic. and of course, there are, you know, countries already present in, in ukraine. it doesn't mean that, you know, if they get killed in, in the action that that it would be automatically article five. >> one last question. i have no time, but are you optimistic about the future? >> i think today we heard some optimistic developments and we really hope, like secretary of state said, that the ball is in russia's court and russia stops the bombing. >> you started there with a pretty, pretty long pregnant pause, as we call it here in the states. european union chief diplomat and former prime minister of estonia. estonia, kaja kallas, thank you very much

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>> palestinian activists and former columbia grad student mahmoud khalil will not be

deported, at least not yet. a district judge has ruled khalil must remain in america to, quote, preserve the court's jurisdiction as he awaits a hearing challenging his expulsion tomorrow. the trump administration has accused khalil of supporting a terrorist organization when he protested the war in gaza and demanded columbia divest from israel last spring. lawyers for khalil argue he has not been charged nor convicted of a crime, so there's no basis to revoke his green card. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. i mean, you couple the fact that he hasn't been charged with a crime and that we have free speech laws in this country. what what is the basis to deport him? >> well. >> let's. >> start with the fact. >> that this is an administration that across the board is pursuing what i would call an act first, litigate later strategy. we see that with doge, we now see that with respect to mr. khalil. but the argument that they appear to be making is based on a very ambiguous provision of the immigration and naturalization

act, and i'm just going to read it to you. it states that an alien, meaning anybody who's not a citizen whose presence or activities in the united states, the secretary of state, and that's why marco rubio is involved here, has reasonable grounds to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the united states is deportable. that's not a provision that's very often used in this country. and so what exactly that means, and what a judge would construe it to mean is seriously up for debate. and that's why. >> tomorrow. >> jesse furman, a southern district of new york judge, having already ordered that mr. khalil cannot be removed from the country, will have a hearing to put the government on the defense and ask them why it is under this provision that they have sought to deport someone who is a green card holder. >> so interesting, and a good explanation for why marco rubio has gotten involved. donald trump is also saying that this is going to apply to others. he's threatening that there will be more arrests. do we have any indication about who he might be looking at? >> we don't. but if mr.

khaleel's situation is effectively a prolog, then we can look to other activists in other university settings who played an organizational role, at least with respect to speech acts being targeted in this way. i mean, mr. khalil was a student at columbia, as you know, and in that capacity, he was originally suspended from the university. that suspension was reversed. so he hasn't even faced disciplinary action at columbia while he is now under deportation threats in the united states of america. that's absolutely chilling. no matter what your position is on the israel-gaza dispute, that's something that should light the fear into the heart of every journalist and anybody who considers themselves a long history. >> in this country of allowing free speech, even when it is offensive, deeply offensive. >> i would argue, especially when it's especially offensive. >> lisa, one other question on doge. there is a federal judge that says that the aid needs to be distributed. explain. >> judge ameer ali, whose

decisions earlier to enter a temporary restraining order went up to the supreme court, which refused to intervene, has now entered longer lasting relief. a preliminary injunction saying that that aid to usaid contractors that has already been performed and contracted for, that has to be paid and it must be paid in short order. now, again, we're dealing with an administration that acts first litigates later. this won't be the end of that dispute. katie. >> all right. lisa rubin, thank you very much. and speaking of which, on that aid and that money that needs to be paid, georgia based company manna nutrition was one of the programs that got slashed in doj's effort to eliminate what? eliminate what they consider waste. manna. which makes a special peanut butter paste that feeds roughly 8 million severely malnourished children in 45 countries around the globe, had its usaid contract both terminated and then reinstated in a five day span with no explanation or reassurances. joining us now, ceo and

co-founder of manna nutrition, mark moore. mark, it is really great to have you. thank you. and thank you for the work that you do. continue feeding these kids. >> we are. >> right now. >> it's been sort. >> of a yo. >> yo. as your intro. >> suggested. >> we were cut and then now we're back. so we're happy to be back. and we're in production right now making these packets. you can see here. and when they go in the packet it's on the usaid logo. so it's important for us to make sure that if we're going to put it in that packet, we can't get it back out. so but we're confident now the contracts are back. so we're making them as of right now. >> tell me who you're feeding. >> so we're. >> feeding severely acutely malnourished children. so these aren't children that are hungry. they've actually gone beyond hungry. they've ceased to be hungry because of the deficiencies that their bodies face. and so this is the point of the tip of the tip of the

spear of food aid. so it's the most dramatic cases where we can't delay. if you delay a week for these children, then it's too late. so it is a very critical target population. >> so how long do you have? how much funding have you been able to get back and what sort of runway does that give you? >> it gives us through probably may. they were the contracts were offered up for bid back at the end of the biden administration, which is very common. they usually have like a six month window. so us and another supplier here in the us are making those now. and we make them week to week, month to month, and we'll be done delivering the current bit of contracts around may. >> can you continue to operate if you do not get your contract renewed? >> yeah, that's the question. is will they have forward facing contracts? we're totally unsure of that. so many of the people who we dealt with, katie, are not gone now. we don't have a

way really to communicate very easily with usaid, but some are coming back. contract officers are coming back. so we have some hope. but as far as looking ahead, we really don't have much of a view into the future. >> you continue to operate then? i mean, because i assume you have to operate, you know, projecting forward quite a few months, if not years by, you know, amassing the supplies needed, amassing the food, the peanuts, then processing it and then packaging it. it's not a, you know, we get paid today so we can make something and send it out tomorrow. >> yes, you're exactly right. so we have warehouses full of ingredients. that's milk powder that come in huge quantities. oil, peanuts. those are forward contracts all the way through this year. so we would have to start cutting and sort of reneging on those contracts if we don't have some view going forward, we probably have through march to kind of get some vision of what the future

might look like. and then we'll have to start considering cutting and pulling back. >> mark, if you got a message to anybody who might work within d.o.j. or work within usaid, what's left of it. what is that message to them? if they're considering not renewing this contract? >> well, that empathy is the very best thing that we have going in the united states. i mean, that was the marshall plan, and that is the point of the spear for us with food aid. and i'm hoping that title two keeps going. so right now we have some positive vibes, but the bigger picture of who will deliver it and who will warehouse it, those are all huge questions for us. so we're grateful right now that we're going forward, but worried about the future for sure. >> mark moore, thank you for joining us. and again it's man and nutrition. you end up you feed 8 million severely malnutrition kids around the world. mark thank you. >> thank you. >> and still ahead what actor mel gibson may have had to do with the firing of a doj officials? we'll explain this

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johnson have the votes? >> he seems very confident, katie, and he has insisted over and over today that he has the votes to get this over the finish line. and right now, the vote is scheduled to go forward sometime between 4 and 5:00 this evening. now, one of the things we'll be watching for is that there is a group of around four congressional republicans who, at this point are undecided. they have gone back and forth as to whether or not they're going to support this legislation. and they've received quite a bit of pressure from the white house, from the speaker's whip team, and, of course, from donald trump himself. there's only one republican that we know is a no vote, and that's thomas massie of kentucky. then there's the other side of the aisle, the democrats. how will they handle this vote? the leader of the democrats, hakeem jeffries, is imploring his members to vote no. he believes that this is a bad bill, and he doesn't want to give donald trump the opportunity to continue the cuts that they are currently employing in the white house. and they're fearful that just reauthorizing the spending plan will allow him to do that. but

at this point, there's no clear indication that all those democrats are going to stay on board and stick with the rest of the democratic party. as it stands right now, mike johnson needs 216 votes to get this measure over the finish line because of absences and other issues that we're dealing with here today. so we can only afford to lose one more republican vote outside of massie. will he will he be able to keep all those republicans in line? and if he's not able to keep all of those republicans in line, will there be a few democrats that cross over and vote for this measure? those are all the things that we're going to be looking for in the next hour when this vote comes to the floor. but, katie, we don't know if it's going to pass or fail, which is sometimes out of the ordinary here on capitol hill. >> all right, ryan nobles, thank you very much. we want to give you a little look at what's happening at the white house right now. donald trump on the heels of tesla stock not doing well. put it lightly. yesterday invited elon musk to bring a few teslas to the white house. so

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