president watches the stock market, but do you think that this consistent downward trend forces him to reverse course, or is he just kind of set on this right now? >> that's the question a lot of people are asking. even some in the white house, is how long he will stomach, not just the stock market decline, but also the ensuing negative media coverage. two things the president follows very closely. i think there's a lot of people in the business community who are hopeful that he will reverse course, given the stock market, but that remains to be seen. >> yeah, it's a hope they're not being quiet about. new york times reporter, white house reporter tyler pager, thank you. his latest pieces on the economy and on tesla are available online now. and tyler's new book, 2024 how trump retook the white house and the democrats lost america, comes out in july. going to be a great read. that was way too early for this wednesday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> these ceos who are coming to town. including from. ibm and hp and qualcomm, they. >> all need to go. >> back to their boards and to

their shareholders to. explain what exactly is going to happen. >> and we also expect the white house to. try to. reassure folks. >> who are sitting there looking at their 401. >> s going down and down. >> and down. >> this is a white house. >> that came in. >> trying to get. >> federal workers to. >> retire by the hundreds. >> of thousands. >> but it's tough to make the. >> argument that you. >> should retire if your. >> retirement accounts are getting throttled, which is what is happening right now. >> fox news reporter peter. doocy posing questions of the trump administration that a lot of americans are asking right now. >> you know, we. >> saw him ask. >> that question. >> the press conference yesterday. but also, i think some of the most remarkable coverage yesterday, cnbc people saying things on cnbc that they don't usually say about this president. >> or a. republican president. >> it all. >> comes as. >> new tariffs from the president. >> took effect overnight. >> we'll go through those measures and look at how trump's chaotic trade policies continue to. impact the markets and the

economy overall. meanwhile, u.s. and ukrainian relations appear. >> to be. >> back on track after that disastrous white house meeting last month. u.s. intelligence. >> and aid. >> are flowing. again into the war torn country. great news. and there's. >> even a cease fire. >> proposal on the table. >> the question is, what. >> will russia do now? >> we're going. >> to dig into all. >> of that major news just ahead on morning joe. good morning, and welcome to morning joe. >> i mean. what a day yesterday. i mean. you we had what was going on in saudi. arabia with. >> the negotiations. that is very. >> good news for the ukrainians that they especially to get the intel and they also get it. but and get the military aid. but the wall street journal basically says it all talking about stocks continuing to fall. another volatile session. the headline u.s. canada trade war

hits, you know, twists and turns and again, trillions of dollars wiped out. front page of the new. >> york times. >> of course, talking about this important breakthrough yesterday in the ukrainian u.s. negotiations. and now we wait for. >> russia to. >> see what. >> happens with us. >> we have the co-host. >> of our fourth. >> hour, jonathan lemire. he is. >> a. contributing writer at. >> the atlantic. >> covering the white house and national politics. >> columnist and associate. >> editor for. the washington post. david ignatius is here. >> and writer at large. >> for the new york times. >> elisabeth bumiller. >> joins us this morning. >> good to have you all. president trump's 25% tariffs on steel. >> and aluminum. imports are now. >> in effect. the taxes will affect. >> canada. >> australia and the european. union and others. the eu has. >> already announced countermeasures, which will go into. effect on.

>> april 1st. >> but australia's prime. >> minister said the country. >> will not. >> impose reciprocal tariffs. >> on u.s. >> imports because. >> it would only inflate. >> prices for. >> australian consumers. >> late yesterday, trump backed off on raising tariffs on metals from canada to 50%. >> after the premier. >> of ontario said he. >> would pause a. >> surcharge on. >> electricity exports to the u.s. >> the canadian government, however, has promised to retaliate. >> against the. >> 20% tariffs. >> on its metals. >> the president also reiterated his desire. for canada. >> to become the. >> 51st state. >> so we spent $200 billion a year subsidizing canada. we don't have to do that. and frankly, the way that gets solved is canada should honestly become our 51st state. we wouldn't have a northern border problem. we wouldn't have a tariff problem. canada would be great as our cherished 51st state. you wouldn't have to

worry about borders. you wouldn't have to worry about anything. and by the way, canada is very highly taxed and we're very low tax. we're considered a low tax nation because of me, because i cut the taxes so low. so the people of canada would pay much less tax. it makes a lot of sense. and by the way, when you take away that artificial line that looks like it was done with a ruler and that's what it was. some guy sat there years ago and they said, well, when you take away that and you look at that beautiful formation of canada and the united states, there is no place anywhere in the world that looks like that. >> elizabeth, so many people have been thinking and saying, oh, donald trump's joking about greenland. he's not really serious. this is opening negotiations or the panama canal or fill in the blank, but especially canada. that was always dismissed as a joke.

prime minister trudeau caught in a hot mic moment, told his advisers and people close to him. he's not joking. we have to take this threat seriously. and certainly yesterday, in the middle of an economic collapse, donald trump goes back to saying we wouldn't have this tariff problem if you all would just. agree to be our 51st state. >> it is very hard to believe. but he is. he seems to be increasingly serious. the. >> strange thing though, that. >> is what it's done. >> it's made, you know, the. >> liberal party is. >> one in canada. >> and should. canada become. >> part of the united states, there would never be a republican. president elected. >> again, because. >> it's a very liberal country and they would all be democrats. it's loopy. i you know, people still seem to think that he's doing. >> this just for. >> for effect, that he is trying to get major concessions out of canada. but right now it has had

the opposite effect in canada. he is an america's increasingly unpopular in canada, obviously. same thing with greenland, i think, although there seems to be you know, greenland wants to be independent from denmark and would also would also welcome, you know, closer relations with the united states. so that is less crazy than canada. but but right now that's where the president is. and it's a whole big question about which also, you know, business executives are having it's, you know, how they didn't take. him seriously about this tariff of the tariffs he was going to impose. they didn't think he was going to do it. they thought it was just negotiations. and it turns out he is serious, at least for now. and they are very, very rattled. and they're calling the white house in a panic. >> well, i mean. it's i, i mean, i just don't know how anybody could be surprised. well, this is this is the problem that again, he's said he was going to do this for 40 years. and i've been hearing from people on wall street. i've been hearing talk to see other shocked. i can i can you believe i know where

have you been for the last like. >> year he's. promised to. >> do all of these things. yeah. well and ontario's he's been talking about it. for 40 years. so again these ceos and you know. found out. yeah i mean he meant he he he meant he meant what he said. and so i just i don't want to hear oh i'm so shocked. yeah i'm losing money. >> there's a lot. >> of gobsmacked. ceos and business leaders saying i didn't. >> think he would do this. >> and i think. >> increasingly people. >> are. understanding that he is serious about many of the ideas that he has put on. >> the table that. >> he did during the campaign. and i will say. >> well, tried. >> our best. >> i mean, if. >> people are. >> constantly watching. >> news organizations that.

>> follow only. >> what trump says and not necessarily the facts. >> then they will find out. >> the hard way. >> well, i mean, again, it's just a jonathan here. we've had people on this show, regulars on this show that said, oh my god, i'm surprised he actually did this. he's been saying he was going to do this since 1987. so if you are a ceo. or if you have somebody that's invested in the market, we said it here repeatedly. >> he was serious. >> be careful with the economy. we have the strongest economy in the world. don't screw around and find out. you have to be careful. like we said it, a day in, day out, day in and day out. and you actually talk to ceos and investors and people on wall street who were shocked that donald trump is actually doing what he said he was going to do on the campaign. and for 50 years. >> yeah. >> the wall street. >> and business. >> leaders sort of made a bet this. >> past campaign. >> that trump would make these promises during the year and

some things to pro growth, you. >> know, cutting. >> taxes and the like. they they approved of. he'll do that. but he also talked about these tariffs. >> he talked. >> about slashing immigration things that these business leaders opposed. >> but the. >> bet they made was. oh that's just rhetoric. that's just bluster. that's just thing. he says. to get the crowd cheering at a rally. he won't follow through on that. >> well that's. >> bet they're wrong. >> that's what's happened here. >> and we have learned first of all as you. >> point. >> out tariffs. his belief in tariffs is one of his few really consistently held ideologies. he's done that since the 1980s. but more than that. >> this past. >> we have learned from his first administration and particularly. >> this past campaign. >> when he makes these promises, he tends to follow through. he tells us what he's going. >> to do. >> he's actually far more transparent. >> than people. want to give him credit for. >> there's not. >> a lot of hidden. >> hand here. there's not. >> a. lot of. >> if ever, a 3 or 4 dimensional chess, this donald trump, when he says he's going to do it more. times than not, he does. and we're. >> seeing the impact now we. >> have, you know, as we'll.

>> get into in. >> a moment. you know, the markets again rattled by these policies. >> it's chaotic. >> it's inconsistent. it seems to change by the hour. >> and we know, joe mika. that we've had. >> business leaders. steve rattner again joined us yesterday saying. >> how much it's. >> about consistency and predictability. that's what the markets need. that's what corporations need. well that's exactly what they're not getting. >> and again, what everybody knew they were not going to get for the past year or what. everybody should have known that they're going to get these tariffs and that he he negotiated again, there's no 100 year plan. it's just he's going to negotiate the way he negotiates. and it's going to take wild twists and turns. >> all right. president trump's trade policy. >> has even. >> rattled some of his own. >> allies. >> as both republican. >> lawmakers and. >> business executives. have flooded. >> the. >> white house. >> with. >> calls of concern, the wall street. >> journal reports. >> senior officials. >> including white. >> house chief of staff siouxsie. >> wiles, have received. >> panicked calls. from chief

executives. >> and. >> lobbyists who have urged. >> the administration to calm jittery. markets by outlining. >> a more. >> predictable tariff. >> agenda. >> according to people familiar with discussions. many in the business community. have abandoned efforts to get the president to reverse course on trade, instead. >> pleading with. >> the white house for clarity. >> on. >> his approach. >> the people said. >> the paper continues the mixed messages. >> from the. >> president and. >> his advisers. >> have raised concerns. >> among some republicans. >> that trump lacks. >> a cohesive economic. >> plan, and. >> the wall. >> street journal's. >> editorial board. >> is. >> asking. >> how do. >> you like the. >> trade war now? >> its piece reads in part. commerce secretary howard lutnick. >> said over the. >> weekend that the president's. tariffs would make some foreign products more expensive, but. american products will get cheaper. >> companies that use. >> foreign components. >> will. >> have to raise. >> prices or swallow. narrower

profit margins. does mr. lutnick understand? >> well, commerce. >> the trouble. >> with trade. wars is that once they begin, they can. quickly escalate and get. >> out of control. >> all the more. >> so when. >> politicians are nearing an election campaign. >> as canada now. >> is. >> or when mr. trump behaves as if his. >> manhood is implicated because. >> a foreign nation. won't take his nasty. border taxes lying down. >> we said. >> from the. >> beginning that this north american. >> trade war is the. dumbest in history. and we. >> were being conned. >> that's wall street journal editorial page. obviously, the conservative voice, really the intellectual conservative voice and the voice of most conservatives and traders on wall street. >> joe mentioned the. >> coverage yesterday. on cnbc. >> here's some of the reaction. >> from. >> senior economics reporter steve liesman. >> what president trump is. >> doing is insane.

>> it is absolutely insane. it is about the eighth reason we've had for the tariffs. and now he's saying he's putting 50%. tariffs on canada unless they agree to become the 51st state. that is insane. there is. >> just no. >> other way of. >> describing it. and the trouble, kelly, is that it shows there are no bounds around president trump. this is very different from the first administration, where there were people around him who seemed to, i don't know what the word is, but. smooth over some of the edges now. and the other thing. that's not talked about kelly, is. >> what's going. >> on within the administration. >> in terms of how they're. treating the constitution and laws. i think all of that is bad for the attraction of capital. >> david ignatius, we actually turned on cnbc yesterday, something that i can't say i've ever done in the middle of the day. not a trader, not. >> a day. >> trader, but yesterday, in fact, we don't we don't usually we don't usually watch news during the day like, you know,

we read it more but but we said yesterday why let's turn on cnbc. >> and it was remarkable. >> and one of the reasons we wanted to turn on cnbc is because, you know, most most people that watch cnbc voted for donald trump. it is a it is it is a conservative network and it's just conservative with a small c as as it pertains to business, they want to make money. that's why they're watching cnbc. but we were shocked by what we heard on it. it really does parallel a lot of what the wall street journal editorial page says. again, bedrock conservatives again warning against these moves that are draining trillions of dollars from the economy. and as mr. doocy said fox news yesterday, making people's 401 k's go. i think he said down, down, down, down, down. and let

me just tell you, that is something that a member of congress hears about on the campaign trail or in his district office. >> you know. >> joe, i think we're all watching cnn or cnbc figuratively, if not literally, because we're all implicated in this. you know, the financial market slide is, is something that's going to affect all of us in our in our savings, our retirement plans. and i think there is a sense of shock that the standard business view of trump was, well, he's a disrupter. you know, he loves to come in and shake things up. he has these big, bold proposals for tariffs or whatever. but he'll back off. that's the way he negotiates. he's the dealmaker. so he'll he'll he'll shake things up. and then and then the deal will come. and what we're seeing in these first 6 or 7 weeks is, is that trump is more determined, he's more confident, more insistent. i was thinking there's a little bit of

captain ahab in him pursuing the white whale. he just won't stop. he won't, won't, won't pull back from some of these ideas. and i think as people watch cnbc or whatever, there's a dawning sense this is really going to be serious and dangerous for our country's economy. and i think it's that fear factor that leads us to, to watch the financial news. it's in truth, we're making, you know, a bit of a joke about it, but it's deadly serious for the american people. and the political reaction, i think, is going to be very significant. >> right? >> yeah. it's a financial sort of version of what we do in florida. every time a hurricane starts, weather channel goes on. you just said the weather channel's in the background for days, but but it's certainly in the background. and a lot of americans homes right now in a way that it's not usually because, again, their retirement accounts are 401 k's. i mean, so much depends on the volatility of the markets. jim cramer also talking about how this was a

could be a manufactured recession. this is what i will say. this is one thing that most of the analysts who were talking yesterday are deeply concerned about tariffs and what was going on. they said we don't have to have a recession. and jim cramer called it a manufactured recession. but i think what they're concerned about mainly, well, they're concerned about a manufactured recession, but if not even a manufactured recession, it's wall street journal says hard landing fears start to grow. you know, we've been talking about this remarkable soft landing that the united states has been going through over the past 6 to 9 months. now, that landing is not quite so soft. it's a hard landing. and as jim cramer at cnbc says, it's not because of natural market forces. it's because it is manufactured by policy. so a lot more to talk about there. and also a great breakthrough for the ukrainian

people yesterday in saudi arabia. >> we can. >> only hope. >> still ahead on morning joe, we'll get to that possible breakthrough when it comes to the war. >> in ukraine. kyiv has agreed. >> to. >> a 30 day cease fire proposal. >> from the. united states. but where does russia stand. >> on it? morning joe is back in. >> 90s. >> i don't. >> think we'll have a recession. >> like i said. >> it's manufactured. it's manufactured. >> well, that doesn't mean there won't be. >> i'm not sure i understand. >> oh, no. >> manufactured. >> easily caused recession. >> absolutely. i don't. >> you know, i'm not. >> i'm not saying. >> that manufactured. >> means not. >> going to happen. >> right. >> i'm saying. >> manufactured is that you can make it happen. and when. >> you get. >> angry and. >> when. >> you. >> you kind of lose your temper. >> and. >> you. get mad. >> instead of, like, the way shienbaum handled. >> it in mexico. >> it gets people nervous. >> and upset. they want the president. to be a little happier. they let you know. >> there's. >> nothing wrong with being happy. >> you can be tough. >> as nails and be happy, but

right. >> now it just feels like. >> oh, we're going. >> to. >> just screw everything. >> you know, people. >> have been screwing us for years and we're going to fight back, which is true. it's absolutely true. but you got. >> to explain. >> it very calmly. >> and empirically how we're being. >> hurt. >> by in italy. >> how we're being hurt by germany. >> and this. >> is going to stop and we're going to make it stop and. then don't scream at those countries. >> it doesn't work, it doesn't work. >> it doesn't work. >> because they. know that they can. >> stand their ground. you tell. >> them. >> look, i am going to scream. >> you at. >> you help us, help. >> us. >> and we'll help. >> people are. >> scared so. >> they don't scare people. >> you don't scare me. >> it's just. >> it's a wrong call. it's all messaging. people are scared. messaging. people are scared. >> oh, oh. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday.

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to the war. afterwards, secretary of state marco. >> rubio spoke. >> to. reporters about the agreement. >> today we made an offer that. >> the ukrainians have. >> accepted, which is to enter into. >> a cease fire. >> and into. >> immediate negotiations. >> to end this conflict in a way that's. >> enduring and sustainable and accounts. >> for their interests. >> their security, their ability to. >> prosper as a nation. hopefully we'll we'll take this offer now to the russians, and we. >> hope. that they'll say yes. >> they'll say. yes to peace. the ball is now in their court. >> so last. >> night in his evening address. >> ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said he. >> welcomed the u.s. ceasefire proposal and expressed gratitude to. >> president trump. whether russia and vladimir putin. >> ultimately agree to the. >> ceasefire terms remains to be seen. meanwhile. >> european leaders reacted in support of the news. >> including the president. >> of the. >> european commission and. >> french president. >> emmanuel macron. british prime minister keir.

>> starmer said he'll be convening leaders. >> on saturday to discuss the next steps in the process, following. >> ukraine's endorsement of the u.s. proposed. temporary ceasefire with russia. >> the united. >> states said. >> it would. >> immediately lift the pause on intelligence. >> sharing and. >> security assistance with the country. presidential envoy. >> steve witkoff. >> will travel. >> to moscow. >> later this week. that's according to a source. >> familiar with the. plans who spoke to nbc news. >> although that. source would. >> not confirm. >> who witkoff. >> is. >> specifically meeting with. >> we'll be looking into that. >> well, david, if this. >> u.s. policy. >> holds, it certainly does sound like a very positive, very positive step forward that secretary rubio announced yesterday. and they have said now the ball is in the russia's court. what do we expect? >> so, joe, first, it is extremely positive that this terrible war has been going on for three years. as national

security advisor mike waltz said, it's a meat grinder and trying to stop that meat grinder is something that that i think everyone supports. certainly the ukrainians do. now it is up to russia. but i think more to the point, it's up to the trump administration to pressure russia to make enough concessions that you have a real negotiation, something important that secretary rubio said in announcing this agreement is that he wants it to be enduring and sustainable. and that's a kind of code for giving ukraine enough security that it can be confident that six months, a year, two years after the agreement is made, russian troops won't simply resume the war and move towards kyiv. a lot of us think that that putin has never really given up his desire to suppress ukraine as an independent nation, so this is going to be hard bargaining. russia does not want the kind of security guarantees that ukraine is talking about, and that and that we're part of the

conversation in jeddah yesterday. i want to underline that this is something that they didn't come to agreement on, but they certainly talked about. so the action now moves to the us-russia dialog. i was thinking this morning that if there's one way that donald trump could reset the global image of him, it's by being tough on vladimir putin, something that many of us have wondered if he could ever do, if he does it, if he says, you have to do this, or, you know, we are going to take increasing steps to compel you to the table, that would be interesting. >> yeah. to this point. >> though. >> he never has shown a willingness to be tough personally on putin, even as in the first term, his administration. >> will be. >> hard on russia. >> putin. >> as trump, as we know time and time again, will be very deferential to the russian leader. and elizabeth. that's continued so far in this term. and it's so much for trump. diplomacy is about personality. it's about those personal connections. and we should note

this is a breakthrough yesterday for u.s. ukrainian relations. but who was not in the room? donald trump was not in the room. volodymyr zelensky was not in the room. and we know how trump feels about zelenskyy. so as this accelerates, what will you be looking for? because this won't get done until the very end when trump's in the room, how do you see. >> him playing the. >> dynamics with both zelensky and putin? >> well, i want to know what his leverage is on on putin right now. more sanctions. what can he do? you know, if putin is balks or if. there's a hold up in in. >> the kind. >> of security guarantees that the ukrainians want? >> what what is trump's that's. >> actually asked david that he's sitting here, what is the next. what is his next play? if putin balks, what kind of leverage does the united states have on putin right now in this war? it's a. >> tough one. >> so there are two things that trump has spoken about that are worth noting. one is the ability to add additional sanctions. the russian economy is pretty fragile. they've been fighting a war for three years. their inflation problems are serious.

they've had to divert resources to the war economy. so significant new additional economic pressure would be something their keith kellogg, who's the special envoy, said that our sanctions enforcement is now at about three. the sanctions may be may be at eight, but the enforcement is at three. well, you could move that up to eight and have some real effect. and the second thing i just would note, trump has talked from the beginning about bringing china in, as in effect, a co-guarantor of this of this settlement in ukraine. if china, believing it's in its interest that this war end, i'm not sure china does think that. but if it decided that that was so, china could, i think, nudge putin towards making concessions. he's not now ready to. >> that i would add. i think that that that debacle in the. >> oval office. >> with with trump and zelensky and j.d. vance, as horrible as that was to watch, obviously it was a pressure tactic that how ugly it was. it got us

somewhere. >> where we are today. >> so, elizabeth, in your latest piece for the. >> new york. >> times. you write, quote. the silence grows louder. >> every day. >> fired federal. >> workers who are. >> worried about losing their homes. asked not to be quoted by name, university. presidents fearing that millions of dollars in federal funding. >> could. >> disappear. are holding their fire. chief executives. >> are alarmed by tariffs that could hurt their businesses, are on mute. >> even longtime. republican hawks on. >> capitol hill, stunned by president trump's revisionist history that ukraine is to blame for its invasion by russia and his oval office blowup at president volodymyr zelensky. that elizabeth. >> was just. >> talking about. >> have either muzzled themselves, tiptoed up to criticism. >> without naming. >> mr. trump, or. >> completely reversed. >> their positions. >> more than. >> six weeks. >> into the second trump administration, there is.

>> a chill. spreading over. political debate in washington and beyond, and you. >> see. >> that in. >> publications as well. >> newspaper publications. >> yeah. >> you see it everywhere. meanwhile, in a companion piece that i am sure they did not coordinate, the wall street journal's editor emeritus, jerry baker, writes this in the wall street journal. capitol hill's republican sycophant caucus, and it reads, as the president ventures further down a diplomatic track that punishes and alienates for no good reasons, our closest neighbor and ally that rewards the tyranny of a murderous and implacable foe of america that nods approvingly, is the dictator of that country, carries out the rape of a free nation that casually slashes at the bonds of alliance that have served this country well and enhanced its global power for and standing for decades. my question is, when is someone going to say something? by

someone, i mean a member of the world's greatest deliberative body and maybe its junior partner. across capitol hill, too. there is nothing in the constitution, mr. baker writes, or the conventions of democratic politics that requires members of the co-equal branch of government to be constrained from offering even the slightest hint of critical advice or withholding consent when they see the president nonchalantly pouring gasoline on a national security and international economic relationships and dancing around them with a lighted match, why don't you tell us how you really feel, jerry baker? >> but he. this was. >> all launched. elizabeth, by lindsey graham saying, i don't mind what trump does because i trust trump, says savile. lindsey graham of south carolina. thus spoke lindsey graham last week, cheerfully declaring unconditional surrender not only of his own

judgment, his freedom of thought, his relevance and his dignity, but in this one actually matters. his role as a leading member of one of the elected branches of the u.s. government. and i must say, there were more than a few observers shocked how so many united states senators serving in six year terms appointed voted for the nominations of the president's cabinet. people that they said, clearly off the record, were not even qualified to fill the post. and in some cases, they said were dangerous. >> right. well, the answer to the questions of why they're so silent, there's a couple of answers. one, people are worried about primaries. and just yesterday trump threatened a primary which could be certainly a primary opponent, which could be certainly funded by his his partner, elon musk, who gave $100 million yesterday to trump's political efforts. you

could be funded by musk. and he threatened massie with the primary because he voted against the spending deal and trump had a tantrum. the other. but that doesn't make complete sense with the senate because, as you note, they only run every six years. so some of them are quite, quite far away from a reelection campaign. the other reason people say quietly, is that they're worried about the safety of their families. there are people going to there are a lot of online threats against members of congress. and it's they're serious threats. the threats are quite high right now, and people are scared. that's the other reason the university presidency mentioned in my in my story are just they're just protecting their institutions. they don't want to get into a big public battle with the with the administration, especially after the administration is now withholding or cancel canceled $400 million in in grants to columbia university and it's caused others to be silent.

there's just a lot of fear. people say this is a sign of authoritarianism. when people are so afraid of the government, they're afraid to speak out. others say this is overblown. this is a reaction to the left, when and die and, and the sort of the efforts of, of democrats to, you know, and language efforts, you know, especially last year after the october 7th attacks on by hamas on israel. and there was sort of language police there. it's still but it's i've never seen anything like this in washington, where so many people are so afraid to talk on the record when they used to in the past. >> and connecting to our. >> previous conversation. this is another. campaign promise that that donald trump is fulfilling. and that's one of retribution, that there. >> would be punishment. >> for those who dare oppose him. we know he has identified the deep state, these career bureaucrats, as enemies of his from the first time around.

well, we're seeing elon musk in doge take a chainsaw and eliminate so many of those positions, often losing high. >> quality people. >> we're seeing that at the pentagon as well. we are. to elizabeth's point, harvard announced a hiring freeze. some perceive that, as you know, means to stay clear of trump's wrath. we saw what. happened to columbia. we're seeing media organizations be more concerned, their owners being concerned about avoiding litigation or not wanting to pursue critical coverage, perhaps because they had another business interest at stake. whether that's we see it from the washington post, we're seeing it from the abc. we're seeing the la times, other places where there does seem to be an effort to sort of beat intimidation seems to be working. and we're even seeing the white house and. >> some. >> of these. trump rapid response accounts and political allies target reporters by name in a way that we hadn't seen before, sort of. and that leads to an online, you know, wave of hate and at times, threats. so there. >> is an. >> effort here of intimidation

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>> keeps getting paid and. paid and nobody does. and it. >> really. hurts social security. >> nobody does. >> what anything. >> about it? >> well, if a. >> dead 100. >> year old is. >> receiving a. >> check in. >> 2025, it stands. >> to. >> reason that back in 2016, when trump was president, that same 91. >> year old. >> would also have. >> been receiving. >> a check. >> why didn't. >> anyone do. >> anything about. >> it back. >> then? or when president trump. >> rails against usaid calling it wasteful. >> or. >> part of a liberal agenda? >> back in 2017. >> his own administration requested. $37 billion for the program, saying. >> it. >> prioritizes the. >> well-being of americans and advances. >> u.s. economic interests. >> was it a liberal agenda back then? >> and then. there is president

trump's claims of being. >> tough on. undocumented immigration. >> while suggesting. >> former president. >> biden was. >> weak on the border. >> but now. >> new exclusive. >> reporting from. >> nbc news shows trump. >> actually deported fewer people. >> last month than biden did one year ago. joining us now. the reporter behind that story. nbc news senior. >> homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. also with us, the host of way. >> too early, ali vitali. >> and julia, two, two, two different stories going on here. one is that deportations are lower, but also, as you also have reported, border crossings have have plummeted over the past several months. >> yeah. >> so what's going on here, joe. >> is that. >> we've. >> heard a lot about the fact. >> that border crossings. >> have gone. >> down and arrests have gone up, but. >> it's been. >> really hard. >> to get. >> our. hands on this data about deportations. and of course. >> trump campaigned. >> on. >> mass deportations. in his

inaugural address, he said he would deport. >> millions and millions. >> he never campaigned. >> on mass arrests. and as we've reported here, not everyone who gets arrested by ice gets deported. some of them are released. some of them are not detained, not deportable. and so, as. >> it turns out. >> there's actually. >> fewer people who are deported. >> in february. >> 2025, the first full month of trump being in office this term compared to february 2024 under biden. >> a big reason for. >> that drop, though, and why it's lower under trump than it was under biden, is because customs. >> and. >> border protection are arresting fewer people at the border. it's much easier to deport people right after they've crossed. we have a pathway. >> they're called. >> expedited removal. biden used this to. where they're basically. >> deported very quickly. >> rather than. >> being in the united states and facing that years long backlog in immigration courts. and so it's easier to deport them if they're arrested by border patrol. now, why the numbers are so low at the border is basically because trump is completely shut down the asylum system. biden, of course, signed. >> that executive.

>> order in june of 2024. the numbers started to go down then because people weren't allowed to claim asylum if they crossed the border illegally. now, trump's made it impossible to claim asylum. even if you cross the border legally, as i'm told, it's almost impossible to even approach these legal ports of entry where historically, anyone who thinks that they are fleeing fear or persecution in their own country can make an asylum claim. now, there are 10,000 people from the mexican national guard standing by these ports of entry. many of these migrants can't even approach the legal ports of entry, and those who are coming through illegally are very quickly stopped by border patrol. not because border patrol is really doing anything different, but because there are so many fewer migrants to actually track that they're able to spread their resources more efficiently there than they would be if there were a surge. also, mexico is doing a lot. mexico does not want tariffs. they're in a position where they're trying to do a lot to cooperate with the us on immigration and to combat fentanyl. so they've increased interdictions as well. that's also bringing the numbers down at the border. but i do think

it's important that we continue to look at this data on deportations, because it's something that they're not putting out. this is something that we obtained here at nbc. we also found that over half of those who were deported were non-criminal, which of course goes against what the trump administration said they would do by focusing on the worst of the worst for deportations. >> yeah, julia, that bucks the promise that you and i were talking about last week when you were here, with more reporting on this topic. but can you talk a little bit about how this latest report on deportation numbers being lower than the biden administration might only exacerbate the frustration internally within the white house and at the agency level that you've been reporting on for the last two months of this administration, the concern and the frustration that they're not doing enough fast enough. >> yeah. >> you're right, ali. i think we also have to remember that they've been looking at these numbers, even though we're just now getting them. i think this explains a lot of that inner turmoil where we saw the acting head of ice get reassigned to another part of ice. they replaced him very quickly.

that's someone who had a relationship with stephen miller and was handpicked for that job, and now they're replacing him. we know that border czar tom homan is very frequently on calls with ice, telling them they need to ramp up their deportation numbers. they try giving them a quota quotas that they weren't able to meet. of course, they've assigned many people from d.o.j. components like the atf and dea to go out and help make these arrests. none of that has actually brought the deportation numbers as high as they want them to. i will say, ali, one key thing that they could do or that they want to do that could increase is more money. if they get more money from congress, which could be a long time coming, they can increase detention space and then they could arrest and deport more people. of course, they tried that in guantanamo bay. and now, as we've reported here, of course they're rethinking that policy, because that turned out to be so expensive and not logistically possible either. but this explains, i think these deportation numbers explain why we've seen so much hand-wringing, the anger, the firings. it's because of these

numbers. and that's one of the reasons why they haven't been as public with these as they have been with the arrest numbers, which are up over 100%. >> yeah. nbc news senior homeland security correspondent julia ainsley, thank you so much for your reporting. and if you say this is again, go back to the tape. this is what we've been hearing around the table, that these high numbers are going to be very hard to reach because they're inflationary. but also what we were saying for some time, the cost of deportation, certainly a mass deportation would be absolutely massive. and again, with the business community not wanting it, saying it's inflationary, there's just a lot of crosscurrents that are cutting against that right now. >> in the business. >> community. >> especially coming up. >> we'll bring you. >> a. live report from ukraine after. yesterday's diplomatic. breakthrough between the us and. >> ukrainian officials in saudi arabia. plus, elon musk made

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contributor mike. >> barnicle and. >> chief white house correspondent. >> for the new. york times. >> peter baker, back with us. >> good to have you all. >> so this morning. >> a possible. >> breakthrough when. >> it comes to the. >> war in ukraine. the united. >> states will. reinstate military. aid and. >> intelligence sharing with the country. >> after. ukraine said. it is. >> prepared to. accept a 30. >> day cease fire proposal. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. has the details. >> in what could be a significant step towards peace. ukraine agreeing to president trump's proposal for a 30 day ceasefire, with the president turning the spotlight on russia, announcing he will speak to president putin. >> hopefully president putin will agree to that also, and we can get this show on the road. >> secretary of state rubio leading the talks in saudi arabia, also saying russia must make the next move. >> the ball is now in their court. if they say no, then we'll unfortunately. >> know. >> what the. >> impediment is to peace here.

>> it's a reset for ukraine, but at a cost. after that diplomatic disaster in the oval office, where president zelenskyy insisted on us security guarantees. >> you're gambling with world war three. >> the statement commits to guaranteeing ukrainian prosperity and security. it does not say how. but the us will resume intelligence sharing and military aid for ukraine. a day of war and peace talks, ending with ukraine's president zelenskyy declaring if russia agrees, silence will take effect immediately. >> that was nbc's. >> keir simmons reporting. and this morning, a spokesperson for the kremlin said moscow needs to be briefed by the u.s. before commenting on. >> whether the. >> cease fire plan. is acceptable to russia. >> so david ignatius, much to talk about here, as we had discussed a couple of days ago, marco rubio coming as he was flying to saudi arabia, basically talked about the

reality of the biden administration has been talking about for two years that neither side can win this by war. yesterday, marco rubio laid laid it out very clearly, sounding like a marco rubio from the us senate. not what we've heard over the past week. talk about the importance of not only of the military weapons going back in, but also the intelligence gathering. >> so to restart u.s. military and intelligence assistance for ukraine is absolutely critical. without that intelligence, they were extremely vulnerable, vulnerable especially to attack from air. i think ukraine's biggest problem going forward is they're running out of air defense. and if they run out there, their cities and towns will be utterly vulnerable to russian attack. so it's great that that's been turned back on. this has been a diplomatic process that while it was often ugly to watch, did produce an

agreement from ukraine to go into a 30 day cease fire. now we get to the hard and interesting part. vladimir putin doesn't want a cease fire. he wants ukraine. and the task for trump, if he's going to be serious about making peace in this terrible war, is to push russia to do something it doesn't want to do, and to accept. using rubio's words yesterday, an enduring and sustainable peace, which means some kind of security guarantee for ukraine. that's precisely what putin doesn't want, because he wants to dominate ukraine. so we'll we'll have a sense over the coming weeks whether the trump administration, led by the president is really serious about a peace agreement that might stand a chance of enduring or whether it's going to allow ukraine to fall into a russian sphere of influence, which would terrify europe. that's europe's biggest fear, is that trump will

accede to that russian domination. >> peter baker, of course, this is we've been through this exercise before. russia has signed treaties before and then broke it, broke them regarding ukraine certainly did in 2014. then a cease fire in 2019. but marco rubio, yesterday, the secretary of state saying the ball's in russia's court and we'll see if they want peace or not. what does the white house expect donald trump to be able to push putin toward peace, or at least his 30 day cease fire? >> well. >> they. >> think they can. yes. >> and i think that there's. some reason to. >> think that that's. >> still possible. even as david. >> says correctly. >> putin doesn't want. >> peace necessarily. hear a cease fire is the easiest part of it, though. stopping the fighting for 30 days doesn't really accomplish all that much unless it leads to something larger. and it's. hard to see how that larger deal comes together in a way that really guarantees. >> ukraine's interests. >> and what it is that.

>> the administration. >> wants russia. >> to give. >> up in this. >> what we've seen so. >> far and what. >> rubio said. >> on the plane and what. >> trump has said in. >> public and others. >> have said is all one sided. >> in other words, ukraine. >> has to give. >> up territory. >> ukraine has to give up its hopes for nato membership. everything that russia wants, it seems to be getting. it would get sanctions lifted. it would, you. >> know, if trump had his way. >> they'd even. be readmitted. >> to the g7. i don't think it's going to happen. but everything. >> that. >> trump has talked about has been. toward putin's version of a peace and not. toward ukraine. so what is it that trump wants putin. >> to give. >> up other than to stop shooting ukrainians? >> because the. >> problem for the ukrainians is that, yes, the shooting has stopped for. >> 30 days, but is. >> as you just said. >> as david has said, they've broken. >> so many cease fires. >> that there's no reason that zelensky or the. ukrainians want to trust russia. >> they don't want to give a chance to regroup. and that was the point he was trying to make in that oval office meltdown that got. >> trump so upset. >> you can't trust. >> vladimir putin. zelensky was. >> saying he.

>> has. >> broken agreements before. >> what's going to make. >> it different this time? >> yeah. >> in fact, let's bring in former. reporter for. >> the wall. >> street journal, matthew brzezinski. he previously covered. >> russia and. >> ukraine for the paper. what would. >> need to be different this. >> time, matthew? >> well, i think that the russians are going to use all sorts of stall tactics. i don't think. that vladimir putin. >> can begin. >> negotiations in earnest until he. >> dislodges the. >> ukrainians from kursk. it is. >> the one. >> ace that. >> zelensky holds. there are thousands. >> as many. >> as. >> possibly 10,000. >> ukrainian troops on russian soil. and kursk for russia is carries great symbolism. there's the battle of kursk in world war ii, one of the greatest victories of the red army. >> it was the largest tank battle. >> in human history. the submarine that sank at the beginning of russia of putin's. >> first term.

>> was named after that region. vladimir putin cannot become vladimir the great if he cedes any territory to an upstart young nation like ukraine. so before any. >> of that happens. >> i think. >> the russians are going. >> to put a huge. >> push to. >> dislodge the ukrainians. and we saw during. the particularly. the intelligence sharing pause. >> we saw. >> the. russians make big gains. >> actually. >> in pushing the. >> ukrainians back. >> to the border. so i think. that we're looking at. >> the. >> russians are going to play. >> along and but buy time. >> for themselves to get the ukrainians out. >> of course, that's. >> the that's. their number one priority. >> in. >> my opinion right now. >> so. >> matthew. >> the world. >> witnessed president trump and vice president vance humiliating. abusing and pushing zelensky around in the oval office. a couple of weeks ago, everyone saw it. and now ukraine has agreed to a cease fire. do

you know. >> anyone or do. >> you yourself actually believe. >> that at any. >> point in this negotiation going forward that donald j. >> trump would really. >> push vladimir putin the way he pushed zelensky around in the oval office? >> no. absolutely not. the other day he briefly said, well, i'm going to i'm going to ramp up. sanctions and then backed off a few hours later, vladimir. >> putin and. >> donald trump are not. in the. >> same league. and i. >> think president. >> trump. >> though he's obviously a very skilled negotiator. >> maybe he's a little bit naive. >> in his approach. to putin. putin doesn't. >> putin will not budge. >> he doesn't care. he doesn't care if he sacrifices. >> his own people. he doesn't care if he sacrifices his own economy. >> oh my god, do you see what's going on in russia? so no, i

don't think that trump. >> is going to be able. >> to, to push putin around. anywhere near what he's done, obviously, with zelensky and the ukrainians. >> matthew, i want to just jump in here. that's david ignatius, what do you see as the vulnerabilities of vladimir putin's russia right now? i mean, they're three years into war. what are their weak spots? >> the economy. >> without a. >> doubt right. >> now, that war. >> is. devastating russia. they've raised interest rates. >> to 21%. >> because inflation is so high. they claim inflation is 9%. but that's bs. you don't have 21% interest rates if you have 9% inflation. true, inflation is probably 40% or something like that. the cost. of borrowing is you want a mortgage in moscow by 3,040%. enterprises. right now. >> a third. >> of enterprises right. >> now are not paying. >> each other. >> they don't have the money to

pay. >> each other factories. the butter is being. >> locked up in supermarkets. because it's become so expensive. >> that people. >> are stealing it. >> putin does. not have unlimited time. if the ukrainians can hold out one more year, russia's economy collapses, russia's economy collapses. and there's any kind of social protests. well, we all know how it works in these in these authoritarian regimes, the dictators, the dictator. until one day he's not. and this is a very much a risk that putin is absolutely aware of. so he does need to make peace, but he will. >> try to make peace on his own terms. >> former reporter for the wall street. >> journal, matthew brzezinski. >> thank you, matthew. >> for being on this morning. >> we appreciate it. >> great analysis. >> so elon musk says senator. >> mark kelly. >> is a, quote. traitor for. >> supporting ukraine. it comes. >> after the arizona democrat. >> described a recent. >> trip to that country. >> where he. >> met with. >> military officials and medical staff who. are caring

for the wounded. >> musk's attack. >> came a short time. >> later, after. >> which kelly responded. >> quote. >> elon. >> if you. >> don't understand that defending freedom is a. >> basic tenet. of what. >> makes america. >> great and. >> keeps us. >> safe, maybe you should leave it to those of. >> us who do. >> conservative columnist bill kristol writes about this in a piece for the bulwark entitled gop. >> must denounce. >> musk's treason charge. >> his piece reads in. >> part, quote. >> treason is a weighty matter. >> the first. >> congress made it a capital. crime in. >> 1790. >> and it's been. >> one ever since. it is mentioned in. >> four separate places. >> in the constitution. >> the founders were well aware of the gravity of the charge of treason. they were well aware that such charges could be abused for political reasons. >> and so they went out of their way. >> to limit. that abuse. >> even in a. way to. >> warn us. against such abuse.

>> in our founding document. >> and now at the top, white house. >> adviser has. >> accused a. member of. the united. states senate. of that gravest. >> of crimes. >> kelly has responded forcefully to musk. >> other democrats. >> have responded forcefully on kelly's behalf. but where are the republicans? have any republican senators risen to his. >> defense against. >> this incendiary. >> charge beyond. thom tillis, who offered what could charitably be described as the most milquetoast of defenses? how about kelly's former senate colleague, secretary of state marco rubio? where is he? >> jonathan lemire. >> senator kelly, of course, a us. >> navy captain. >> a veteran. he served his country. also an astronaut. he is someone who, you know, does not, should not be called a traitor by anyone. >> and certainly not.

>> by elon musk. but i think to bill kristol's point there, this just shows, again, this culture of intimidation. >> that. >> we talked about last hour, where trump or in this case, his most powerful adviser, ken levy, just devastating attacks, you know, unwarranted attacks on anyone, including a veteran, a respected member of the united states senate. and we've gotten mostly silence peter baker from republicans. other than a brief comment from senator tillis. >> and that. >> seems to be the point here. and i know you've written on this phenomenon as well, that those who used to speak out against trump, those who used to object to what he or his closest advisers would say, now feel afraid to do so. >> yeah. well. >> look, i. >> mean, a lot of these. >> republicans who are being. >> silent would. >> qualify for the same term under elon. >> musk's definition. >> because they. >> support ukraine. >> they've been. >> to ukraine, many of them. they have voted for aid to ukraine. many of them, they they philosophically. >> and politically. >> support the. >> smaller. >> weaker country that has been

invaded. >> by its. >> nuclear powered bully neighbor. >> and so. >> if it's a if it's treason against. >> the united states. >> to support the, you know. >> the victim of a brutal invasion, then most of. >> the members of congress. >> are guilty. >> of treason. that's what's so. >> fascinating about this. it's not just that they throw around the. t word, which, frankly, trump. >> does with. >> some degree of regularity. anybody who betrays him in his sense. >> is guilty of treason. >> it's a, you know. >> very much. >> of a personalized crime. >> in his view. >> but what has. >> been. applied to here. >> is something that just. >> seven weeks. >> ago, the country was on record as being in. >> favor of ukraine. >> that now seems to be in doubt. >> obviously under this president. >> but it. >> wasn't. >> treason until. >> just seven. >> weeks ago. >> in fact, it. >> was official united states policy. >> all right, let's. >> bring in nbc. >> news chief. >> foreign correspondent richard engel. >> live from southern. >> ukraine near the black sea. richard, what. >> are. you hearing on. >> the ground about this proposed ceasefire?

>> well. >> it has been. >> a wild. >> week for. >> ukrainians, and they don't necessarily know what to believe right now. first, for the last. >> three years. >> they. >> had the u.s. in their corner. then everyone here witnessed that. >> blow up. >> in the. >> oval office. >> where many ukrainians rallied around president zelensky. they felt that he was being cornered, that he was unnecessarily attacked and humiliated. then they saw this country cut. off and cut off from intelligence, cut off from military. >> support. >> which soldiers. here in this country desperately need. they need it for targeting. they need it for self-defense. and now they. >> walk up to the news. >> that that ukraine has accepted unilaterally this ceasefire. which is. >> considered to. >> be quite. >> a victory for ukraine because now it. >> flips the script. it is not ukraine. >> that is being accused of avoiding peace. it is not ukraine that is being blamed. >> for. >> the ongoing conflict. it is. >> up to. >> russia to. accept or.

>> reject this, this ceasefire proposal. >> so it has been a very trying time, fast moving events, especially when people here know that their country is on the line, that the future map of ukraine is being redrawn at this moment, and it is happening so quickly. >> but today. >> today. >> at this very moment, i think they feel quite. satisfied with the end of this diplomatic process because they want this. they want a peace. they say that they want, however, a. lasting peace. >> and if. >> a ceasefire can bring those negotiations, they certainly welcome it. and if it can. >> expose vladimir. >> putin as someone who doesn't want an agreement, all the better for ukraine. >> richard, it's ali vitali, and certainly we're early on in these negotiations, especially as they work towards a long lasting and enduring peace. but one of the things we've seen the trump administration be willing to do is pull back that military aid as well as intelligence sharing. it's back on now. but is there concern on the ground that this is something that

could just as easily be taken away in the blink of an eye, if negotiations turn south again? >> of course. >> and that that faith. >> in the united. >> states as an ally, as a. reliable ally has been, i think, more than just questioned. i think it's been broken in many cases. i was in ukraine not long ago. and as this, this, this breakdown was, was happening and ukrainians were asking what happened, what happened to our relationship with the united states? what did we do wrong that those doubts, those lingering concerns. >> those feelings. >> of abandonment haven't gone away, but the fact that they were. >> just restored. >> and the fact that the intelligence cooperation is happening again, that the weapons shipments are back in the pipeline, makes makes ukrainians feel, at this very moment, okay, their their. >> stock is rising. >> but this is a very trying time when you know that the russians are still attacking, they are a numerically superior

force. they're not very far from where i'm standing right now. and if you feel that president trump, one day to the next will decide your future, giving you some support or not giving you support, depending on the negotiations, it makes many ukrainian ukrainians feel that they're being strong armed. but flipping the script onto vladimir putin is something that ukrainians want to do. they have said from the very beginning that they have wanted peace, but that it is vladimir putin who continues to want to take over all of this country. and already this morning, we've seen the kremlin refuse to accept the 30 day cease fire proposal, the kremlin's spokesman saying that russia would only respond after further consultations from the americans after they hear more. for people in ukraine, it sounds like vladimir putin wants to know how this ends, what what kind of concessions ukraine is willing to make before he signs on to any kind of full, full, full scale ceasefire. >> nbc's richard engel, live in

ukraine. thank you so much as always, richard, for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. and chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker, thank you as well. david ignatius, before we go to break, i'm curious your thought about because because russia obviously is described as being in a vastly superior negotiating position. but you listen to what matthew brzezinski says about the state of the economy. obviously, we've all heard about the massive losses that the russian troops have taken. talk about just how comfortable vladimir putin would be with this war continuing for six months to a year. so, joe, the. >> russians are estimated to have lost nearly 800,000 casualties dead and wounded in three years. that is more than ten times as many as they lost in the ten years that they fought in afghanistan. it is an incredible price that they've been paying. to me, this war

from the beginning, going back to 2014, has been about whether ukraine could be a european country. that's the dream of ukrainians. and russia from the beginning has been trying to stop that. and whatever the borders of the future, ukraine are the key issue to watch, i think, is whether that country is allowed to be sovereign and european. and, you know, for that to happen, putin is going to have to give up his hope of crushing that european identity. but that's the question in a nutshell. that's what the white house should focus on as they think about the next phase of negotiations. putin is vulnerable. this idea that putin is on a roll, he is he is vulnerable. but it's going to take pressure from the united states. otherwise it's going to be a concessionary deal to putin. >> still ahead on morning joe, one of. >> our. >> next guests. says humor can. >> play an. important role. >> in political protests. so what happened. >> to the democrats?

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policy and ideas. how do you think your party is doing right now as the opposition party? would you give them a grade? what do you think the conversation is going to be? >> i think it's difficult to give. >> a grade right now because i think we're doing very well, and there are other things that we could use some work on. you know, i think. >> it is not it's not a bug. it's a feature to. >> flood the zone. and this is project 2025 on steroids. so we did prepare in some ways. and i would actually give attorneys general across the country. and states across the country, organizations that have been preparing lawsuits to challenge some of what we saw in 2025, in project 2025, a lot of credit. but i would also say that in congress, the more we. >> stay united. >> as democrats, the way we did in the house last night, the more successful. >> we will be. >> that was. >> democratic congresswoman. >> pramila jayapal. on way too. >> early this. >> morning. >> sizing up her party's. response to president trump. our

next guest. says democrats. >> are failing. >> to deliver a. >> key ingredient. >> of effective protest. >> joining us now, the author of that. >> piece, editor. >> of the new republic, michael. >> tomasky, also. >> with us. >> politics reporter for semafor, dave weigel, whose new piece is entitled. in with the old. the anti-trump resistance comes. >> of age. >> good to. >> have you both. >> with us this morning. >> so, michael, you're touching on something that we also heard the guys on pod save america talking about all the time that that they believe the democrats are too dour. you look at trump and take politics out of it. people are like they want to go to the party. they want to go to the wrestling match. they want to go to madison square garden. they want to, you know, again, the content is absolutely horrific. but for people who aren't ideological and as we know, you know, politics is not

a science. it is an art. fdr knew that. obama knew that. jfk knew that. reagan knew that. your piece gets to that. it's more than just policy papers that pull people to the democratic party. >> yeah, it is. >> and look, i don't think it's going to save the republic or completely revive the democratic party. if democrats flash a little bit more humor. but i don't think it can hurt the idea for this column. joe, occurred to me last tuesday night when i was watching trump's speech to the joint session of congress, and i saw the democrats hold up those cards and i thought, oh, gosh, you know, i mean, it's fine, but boy, they could be more creative than this. you know, they could really, you know, what about a car? you know, mock him, you know, use some mockery. i mean, that guy's ego is so fragile and so brittle that if they had held up signs that made fun of him, i suggested one like stormy daniels says hello. you know, that would have really rattled him. that would have gotten to him again. is this going to

change the entire dynamic? no, but it will change the profile, as you say, of democrats, how they're seen by apolitical voters, how they're seen out there. it's i think it's a good and important part of the mix, that they should use mockery of trump and that they should seem like, you know, happy warriors, to use the old phrase that was applied to al smith decades and decades ago. >> dave weigel, you're writing. >> the currently. >> about. >> you know, the age old problem. >> of. >> democrats getting together with the resistance. and it falls now to the. >> forever young. >> bernie sanders to lead. >> the way. >> my question to you is when. >> you look at the. >> democrats and you see them, you see chuck schumer on tv waving his arms. my question to you is, why is it that the democratic. >> party. >> as a group. or individually, can't go home to their districts and stand in front of a va clinic or an assisted. living facility, or a supermarket or a public school and indicate

what's going on on the opposite end of the of pennsylvania avenue from the white house, as a threat to the way we exist, live, go to school, go grocery shopping. >> and fairness. >> to a lot. >> of democrats. >> they are doing that. >> they use. >> the week this short recess. >> they'll use. >> the next recess to. >> do more of that. >> they are holding town hall meetings and. >> shaming republicans for not holding more of them. and they've elevated. >> they've done a lot of what. >> indivisible and other protest. >> groups. >> have wanted. >> elevated people who. >> are. >> being affected. >> by the layoffs. their problem has been that. >> even when they win. >> in court, as the interview with jayapal was saying, the. administration plows ahead anyway. and they've. >> elevated the resistance. >> people like al green and bernie sanders for doing big, flashy protests, which didn't win anything. when they win in court, they're reversing some trump policies, but not all of them. and the. >> these these. >> attorneys and attorneys. general we're talking about have had a frequent experience now. of getting getting a victory,

getting the. courts to and including the supreme court to say what trump is doing is illegal and the administration to move ahead on it anyway, in us aid to destroy documents despite and say so in an email to staff, which usually is not the best way to get away with that. how does a party inspire the base when even if it wins the losers in the situation. keep grinding ahead and don't care what happened in court? that is a that is a tough problem for them. i don't know, i don't know to give them some credit. again, i don't know how anyone would solve that. if you if you declare victory and the other, other team advances on the board. anyway, that has happened again and again in the last two months to democrats. >> so michael tomasky to point just made. >> about how bernie sanders is still out there. >> drawing big. >> crowds, big crowds. >> in a number. >> of. >> of locations. you know, he. >> is sort of at the moment with a couple of others. senator murphy's been out there quite a bit. >> from connecticut. >> you know, sort of becoming the face of the resistance if

such a thing exists. and that's my question to you, do we need do democrats need a face of the resistance, or is it okay right now that we're hearing a little bit from jeffries, a little bit from schumer, a little bit from from senator sanders and the like, or should they be coalescing around just a couple of key figures? >> i don't think there can be. jonathan, one leader right now, i think it's premature. i think, you know, there are going to be a lot of democrats who are going to be positioning themselves for 2028. they'll speak out eventually. i've been a little bit surprised by the comparative silence of some governors, like whitmer and shapiro, who to my i haven't said a whole lot, but, you know, it's not there's not going to be just a leader in the space of six weeks. that isn't going to happen. some people, as you suggest, have managed to break through, have managed to punch through the noise somehow. murphy is one. he's a very good example. he's done it on twitter largely and through social

media. jasmine crockett, i think, has punched through a bit. jamie raskin is always reliable as a as an articulate spokesman of opposition. there are a few others. but, you know, i agree with dave that they're in a tough position. but these people have managed to break through. why have they? others ought to study that. i think instead of one leader, there should be 25 right now. >> and that's always been the case. right? is democrats have had a deep bench. 2020 primary was a key example of that. and then of course you land here. and what i was so struck by from congresswoman jayapal this morning is the way that she says, we knew a lot of what was coming. it was in project 2025. they had been through a trump administration before. he is an extremely well known political figure. and yet it seems at every turn they are flat footed. and in my conversations with democrats voters, they feel frustrated about wanting more, but they can't quite quantify what that is. and they are storytelling and bringing up voter stories. but what is that

enough? and who's grappling with that? >> no, they're just commiserating with them as they lose or as as they get a victory in court and people get fired anyway. >> that keeps. >> that keeps happening. the battle over the cr this week is a good example of this. because, yes, because the reason so many republicans are comfortable voting for that is because they have been promised pretty much by elon musk and jd vance, that the president will use impoundment powers and not spend money that they don't want to be spent. yeah. anyone at home who knows about the impoundment control act says. but that's illegal. sure it is. until until the court deals with it in the mean there, there's billions of dollars of spending that's going to be stopped. in the meantime, democrats are in this position of voting against voting against it, knowing that the funding will be impounded, but the people will be fired, funding will be stopped whether they vote for the cr, whether it passes or not. it is a real no win position for them. and how do you go back and inspire people with a no win position? the way that sanders has been doing it has been being incredibly consistent. just explaining the problem and saying people need to resist. he is not at these rallies in these 50 minute speeches saying, and

here is my plan for winning. it is. and here's my plan for rallying people so that once we get to the ballot box again, the country is so angry at elon musk using the presidency to sell cars and to make himself rich that they turn out and vote against him. that's not we're going to do this tomorrow. that is, in 21 months. we might we might have a victory. and that's not the most inspiring thing. but yes, it is getting people out there and rallying and active and democrats are doing better in special elections, in part because of that. those special election wins don't mean elon has to go. there's nothing they can do to turn the administration around. >> dave weigel, thank you so much. his latest piece is available to read at semafor. >> and michael tomasky, thank. >> you as well. >> his new piece. >> is online. >> right now. >> for the new republic. and coming up, something. very different. our next. >> guest is hoping to revolutionize the. perceptions of weight. >> lifting. >> arguing that exercise. >> can benefit. >> not only. >> the medical community but

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increased. >> the size of those muscles. >> by like 15%. it was the. same week that. >> that paper. >> was. >> submitted for publication that. >> saturday night live premiered hans and. franz for the first time. so there's. >> this great collision. >> of scientific. >> discovery and. pop culture parody. that actually create a sort of signal. >> noise problem. >> that i. think we're still dealing with. >> so, michael, one of the big things combating the aging process, we're told by doctors, by a lot of people, more than doctors, is as you. >> get older. >> walk a lot. walking is great for you. but there's also the element of balance as you get older in the process. >> how does. >> weight training or could weight training and affect better balance for elderly people? well, weight training. >> is actually. >> the only kind of. exercise that affects all of the realms

of physical function that we need. >> as we get older. >> weight training increases not. >> just strength. >> but also aerobic capacity. >> and balance. >> and that's. >> not true. >> of aerobic training. >> or of balance training. >> they don't. >> affect strength. >> so the. >> order in which. >> we get. >> up. >> from a chair. >> is really. >> the order. >> in which. >> we should be prioritizing the way we think about exercise as we get older. >> what do you need. >> to stand. >> up from a chair? you need strength. >> what do. >> you need to take. >> your first step? >> once you've stood. >> up, you. >> need balance. >> and what do you need. >> to keep going? >> step after. >> step. >> you need aerobic capacity. >> and that according. >> to the w.h.o. and according. to a huge. amount of research from around the world. >> is really the priority in

which we need to be thinking about. the modes of exercise as we get. >> older. >> strength, then balance, then aerobics. >> and michael, lastly, and briefly tell us quickly some of the other benefits to this sort of the idea of strength training, including some that could be mental and emotional. >> yeah, one. >> of the ones that's most surprising to a lot of people is the effects on depression and anxiety and depression in particular. >> maria fiatarone singh, the doctor. >> who is profiled throughout the last third of the book, ran the first randomized. controlled trials of weight training as treatment for depression in the 1990s. and she found that for about 75% of people, weight training affected depression treated depression as effectively as the most effective antidepressant. >> drugs. >> and that finding has been replicated around. >> the world.

>> since then. >> and it's picked. >> up in. >> the clinical practice. >> guidelines that. >> various medical organizations use to help. direct the clinical treatment of. >> depression. >> in australia, for instance, the very first line of treatment is recommended to be exercise. but here in the united states, we're lagging behind the apa, american psychiatric association and american psychological association have not been nearly as open to the research on exercise and depression as they've been in other parts of the world. >> all right. the new book, stronger. >> the. >> untold story of muscle in our lives, is on sale now. >> author michael joseph gross, thank you so much for being on the show this morning and

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house to try to reassure folks who are sitting there looking at their 401 cs, going down and down and down. this is a white house that came in trying to get federal workers to retire by the hundreds of thousands, but it's tough to make the argument that you should retire if your retirement accounts are getting throttled, which is what is happening right now. >> fox news reporter peter doocy posing. >> questions of the trump administration. >> that a lot of. >> americans are asking right now. >> you know, we saw him ask that question the press conference yesterday. but also, i think some of the most remarkable coverage yesterday, cnbc people saying things on cnbc that they don't usually say about this president or a republican president. >> it all comes as new tariffs from the president took effect overnight. >> we'll go through. >> those measures. >> and look at how trump's. chaotic trade policies. >> continue to impact the markets and the economy overall. meanwhile, u.s. and ukrainian

relations appear. >> to be back. on track. >> after that. >> disastrous white house. meeting last month. >> u.s. intelligence. >> and aid are flowing. again into. >> the war torn country. >> great news. and there's even a cease fire proposal on the table. >> the question. >> is, what will russia do now? we're going to dig into all of. >> that major. >> news just. >> ahead on morning joe. good morning and welcome to morning joe. >> i mean, what a day yesterday. i mean, you we had what was going on in saudi arabia with the negotiations. that is very good news for the ukrainians that they especially they get the intel and they also get it. but and get the military aid. but the wall street journal basically says it all, talking about stocks continuing to fall. another volatile session. the headline u.s. canada trade war hits, you know, twists and turns and again, trillions of dollars

wiped out. front page of the new york times. of course, talking about this important breakthrough yesterday in the ukrainian u.s. negotiations. and now we wait for russia. >> to see what. >> happens with us. >> we have the co-host. >> of our fourth hour. >> jonathan lemire. >> he is a contributing writer. >> at the atlantic covering the white house. and national politics, columnist. >> and associate editor. >> for the washington post. david ignatius is here and writer at large for the. >> new york times. >> elisabeth bumiller. >> joins us this morning. >> good to have you all. president trump's 25%. >> tariffs on steel and aluminum imports are now in effect. the taxes will affect canada, australia and the european union and others. the eu has already announced countermeasures. >> which will go. >> into effect on april 1st. but australia's prime minister said the country will not impose

reciprocal tariffs on. u.s. imports because it would only inflate prices for australian consumers. late yesterday, trump backed off. >> on. >> raising tariffs. >> on metals. from canada. >> to 50% after the premier of ontario said he would pause a surcharge on electricity exports to the u.s. the canadian. >> government. >> however, has. promised to retaliate against the. 25% tariffs on its metals. the president also reiterated his desire for canada to become the 51st state. >> so we spend $200 billion a year subsidizing canada. we don't have to do that. and frankly, the way that gets solved is canada should honestly become our 51st state. we wouldn't have a northern border problem. we wouldn't have a tariff problem. canada would be great as our cherished 51st state. you wouldn't have to worry about borders. you wouldn't have to worry about anything. and by the way, canada

is very highly taxed and we're very low tax. we're considered a low tax nation because of me, because i cut the taxes so low. so the people of canada would pay much less tax. it makes a lot of sense. and by the way, when you take away that artificial line that looks like it was done with a ruler and that's what it was. some guy sat there years ago and they said, well, when you take away that and you look at that beautiful formation of canada and the united states, there is no place anywhere in the world that looks like that. >> elizabeth, so many people have been thinking and saying, oh, donald trump's joking about greenland. he's not really serious. this is opening negotiations. are the panama canal are fill in the blank, but especially canada. that was always dismissed as a joke. prime minister trudeau caught in a hot mic moment, told his

advisers and people close to him he's not joking. we have to take this threat seriously. and certainly yesterday, in the middle of an economic collapse, donald trump goes back to saying we wouldn't have this tariff problem if you all would just agree to be our 51st state. >> it is very hard to believe. but he is. he seems to be increasingly serious. the strange thing though, that is what it's done. it's made. you know, the liberal party is one in canada. and should canada become part of the united states, there would never be a republican president elected again, because it's a very liberal country and they would all be democrats. it's loopy. i you know, people still seem to think that he's doing this just for, for effect, that he is trying to get major concessions out of canada. but right now it has had the opposite effect in canada. he is an america's increasingly unpopular in

canada, obviously. same thing with greenland, i think, although there seems to be you know, greenland wants to be independent from denmark and would also there's would also welcome, you know, close relations with the united states. so that is less crazy than canada. but but right now that's where the president is. and it's a whole big question about which also, you know, business executives are having it's you know, how they didn't take him seriously about this tariff of the tariffs he was going to impose. they didn't think he was going to do it. they thought it was just negotiations. and it turns out he is serious, at least for now. and they are very, very rattled. and they're calling the white house in a panic. >> but i mean, it's i, i mean, i just don't know how anybody could be surprised. well, this is this is the problem that again, he said he was going to do this for 40 years. and i've been hearing from people on wall street. i've been hearing talk to see they're shocked i can i can you believe i know where have you been for the last like

year? he's promised to do all of these things. yeah. well, in ontario he's he's been talking about it for 40 years. so again these ceos and you know. found out. yeah i mean he met he met he met he met. he meant what he said. and so i just i don't want to hear oh i'm so shocked. yeah i'm losing money. >> there's a lot of. gobsmacked ceos and business leaders saying i didn't think he would do this. and i think. increasingly people are. >> understanding that. >> he is serious. about many. of the ideas that he has put on. >> the table that he did. >> during the campaign. >> and i will say. >> well. >> tried our best. >> i mean. >> if. people are constantly watching. >> news organizations that. >> follow only. >> what trump says and not necessarily the facts, then they will.

>> find. >> out the hard way. >> well, i mean, again, it's just a jonathan here. we've had people on this show, regulars on this show that said, oh my god, i'm surprised he actually did this. he's been saying he was going to do this since 1987. so if you are a ceo or if you have somebody that's invested in the market, we said it here repeatedly. he was serious. be careful with the economy. we have the strongest economy in the world. don't screw around and find out. you have to be careful. like we said it, a day in, day out, day in and day out. and you actually talk to ceos and investors and people on wall street who were shocked that donald trump is actually doing what he said he was going to do on the campaign. and for 50 years. >> yeah, the wall street and business leaders sort of made a bet. >> this past campaign. >> that trump would make these promises during the year. and some things the pro-growth, you know. >> cutting. >> taxes and the like. >> they. >> they approved of, he'll do

that. but he also talked about these tariffs. he talked about slashing immigration, things that these business leaders opposed. but the bet they made was. >> oh. >> that's just rhetoric. that's just bluster. that's just thing. he says. to get the crowd cheering at a rally. he won't follow through on that. >> well that's. >> bet they're wrong. >> that's what's happened here. >> and we have learned first of all as you point out tariffs. his belief in tariffs is one of his few really consistently held ideologies. he's done that since the 1980s. but more than that. >> this past. >> we have learned from his first administration and particularly this past campaign. >> when he makes. >> these promises, he tends to follow through. he tells us what he's going to do. he's actually far more transparent. >> than people. >> want to give him credit for. there's not a lot of. hidden hand here. there's not a lot. >> of. >> if ever, a 3 or 4 dimensional chess, this donald trump, when he says he's going to do it more. times than not, he does. and we're. >> seeing the impact now we. >> have, you know, as we'll get into in. >> a moment. >> you know, the markets again rattled by these policies. it's

chaotic. it's inconsistent. it seems to change by the hour. and we know that. we've had business leaders. steve rattner again joined us yesterday saying how much it's about consistency and predictability. that's what the markets need. that's what corporations need. well that's exactly what they're not getting. >> and again, what everybody knew they were not going to get for the past year or what. everybody should have known that they're going to get these tariffs. and that he he negotiated again, there's no 100 year plan. it's just he's going to negotiate the way he negotiates. and it's going to take wild twists and turns. >> all right. president trump's trade policy has even rattled some of his own allies, as both republican. lawmakers and business executives have flooded the white house with calls of concern. the wall street journal reports. senior officials, including white house chief of staff siouxsie wiles, have received panicked calls from chief executives and lobbyists who have urged the

administration to calm jittery markets by outlining. >> a. >> more predictable tariff agenda, according. >> to people familiar. >> with discussions. many in the business community have abandoned efforts to get the president to reverse course on trade, instead pleading with the white house for clarity on his approach, the people said. >> the paper. >> continues the. >> mixed messages. >> from the president and his advisers have raised concerns among some republicans. that trump lacks a cohesive economic. >> plan. >> and the wall street journal's editorial board is asking. how do you like the trade war now? its piece reads in part. commerce secretary howard lutnick said over. >> the weekend. >> that the president's tariffs would make some foreign products more expensive. but american products. >> will get cheaper. >> companies that use foreign components will have to raise prices or swallow narrower profit margins. does mr. lutnick

understand? well, commerce. the trouble with trade wars is that. >> once they begin, they can. >> quickly escalate and get out of control. all the more so when politicians are nearing an election campaign, as canada. now is, or when mr. trump behaves as if his manhood is implicated because a foreign nation won't take his nasty border taxes lying down. we said from the beginning that this north american trade war is the dumbest in history, and we were being kind. >> that's wall street journal editorial page. obviously, the conservative voice, really the intellectual conservative voice and the voice of most conservatives and traders on wall street. >> joe mentioned the coverage yesterday on cnbc. here are some of the reaction from senior economics reporter steve liesman. >> what president trump is doing is insane. it is absolutely insane. it is about the eighth

reason we've had for the tariffs. and now he's saying he's putting 50% tariffs on canada unless they agree to become the 51st state. that is insane. >> there is just no. >> other way of. >> describing it. and the trouble, kelly is that it shows there are no bounds around president trump. this is very different from the first administration, where there were people around him who seemed to, i don't know what the word is, but smooth over some of the edges now. and the other thing that's not talked about, kelly, is. what's going on. >> within the. >> administration in terms of. >> how they're treating the constitution. >> and laws. i think all of that is bad for the attraction of capital. >> david ignatius, we actually turned on cnbc yesterday, something that i can't say i've ever done in the middle of the day. not a trader, not a day trader, but yesterday, in fact, we don't we don't usually we don't usually watch news during the day. like, you know, we read it more but. but we said

yesterday why let's turn on cnbc. and it was remarkable. and one of the reasons we wanted to turn on cnbc is because, you know, most most people that watch cnbc voted for donald trump. it is a it is it is a conservative network and it's just conservative with a small c as as it pertains to business, they want to make money. that's why they're watching cnbc. but we were shocked by what we heard on it. it really does parallel a lot of what the wall street journal editorial page says. again, bedrock conservatives again warning against these moves that are draining trillions of dollars from the economy. and as mr. doocy said on fox news yesterday, making people's 401 k's go. i think he said down, down, down, down, down. and let me just tell you, that is something that a member

of congress hears about on the campaign trail or in his district office. >> you know. >> joe, i think we're all watching cnn or cnbc figuratively, if not literally, because we're all implicated in this. you know, the financial market slide is something that's going to affect all of us in our in our savings, our retirement plans. and i think there is a sense of shock that the standard business of you, of trump was, well, he's a disrupter. you know, he loves to come in and shake things up. he has these big, bold proposals for tariffs. or whatever. but he'll back off. that's the way he negotiates. he's the dealmaker. so he'll he'll he'll shake things up. and then and then the deal will come. and what we're seeing in these first 6 or 7 weeks is, is that trump is more determined, he's more confident, more insistent. i was thinking it was a little bit of captain ahab in him pursuing the white whale. he just won't stop. he won't, won't, won't pull back from some

of these ideas. and i think as people watch cnbc or whatever, there's a dawning sense this is really going to be serious and dangerous for our country's economy. and i think it's that fear factor that leads us to, to watch the financial news. it's in truth, we're making, you know, a bit of a joke about it, but it's deadly serious for the american people. and the political reaction, i think, is going to be very significant. >> right? >> yeah. it's a financial sort of version of what we do in florida. every time a hurricane starts, weather channel goes on. you just said the weather channel's in the background for days, but but it's certainly in the background. and a lot of americans homes right now in a way that it's not usually because, again, their retirement accounts are 401 ks. i mean, so much depends on the volatility of the markets. jim cramer also talking about how this was a could be a manufactured

recession. this is what i will say. this is one thing that most of the analysts who were talking yesterday are deeply concerned about tariffs and what was going on. they say we don't have to have a recession. and jim cramer called it a manufactured recession. but i think what they're concerned about mainly, well, they're concerned about a manufactured recession, but if not even a manufactured recession, it's wall street journal says hard landing fears start to grow. you know, we've been talking about this remarkable soft landing that the united states has been going through over the past 6 to 9 months. now, that landing is not quite so soft. it's a hard landing. and as jim cramer cnbc says, it's not because of natural market forces. it's because it is manufactured by policy. so a lot more to talk about there. and also a great breakthrough for the ukrainian people yesterday in saudi arabia. >> we can only hope. still ahead on morning joe, we'll.

>> get. >> to that possible breakthrough. >> when it. >> comes to the war in ukraine, kyiv has agreed to a 30 day cease fire proposal from the united states. but where does russia stand on it? morning joe is back in 90s. >> i don't. >> think we'll have a recession. >> like i said, it's manufactured. it's manufactured. >> well, that doesn't mean there won't be. >> i'm not sure i. >> understand. >> you know. >> manufactured could easily cause recession. >> absolutely. >> i don't. >> you know, i'm. >> not i'm. >> not saying that manufacturing. >> is not going to happen. >> right. >> i'm saying manufacturing is that you can make it happen. and when you. get angry and when you you. >> kind of lose. >> your temper and you. >> get. >> mad instead of, like, the way shienbaum handled it in mexico, it gets people nervous and upset. >> they want the. >> president to. >> be a little happier. they let you know. >> there's nothing wrong. >> with being happy. >> you can be tough as nails. >> and be happy. >> but right now it just feels like, oh, we're going to just screw everything. you know, people have been screwing us for years and we're going to fight back, which is true. it's absolutely true. but you got to.

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accounts. >> for their interests, their. >> security, their ability to. prosper as a nation. >> hopefully we'll we'll take this offer now to. >> the. >> russians, and we. >> hope that they'll say yes. >> they'll they'll say yes to peace. the ball is now. >> in their court. >> so last night in his evening address, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said he welcomed the u.s. ceasefire proposal and expressed gratitude to president trump. whether russia and vladimir putin ultimately agree to the cease fire's terms remains to be seen. meanwhile, european leaders reacted in support of the news, including the president of the european commission and french president. >> emmanuel macron. british prime. >> minister keir starmer said he'll. >> be convening. >> leaders on saturday to discuss the next steps in the process, following ukraine's endorsement of the u.s. proposed temporary ceasefire with russia, the united states said it would immediately lift the pause on intelligence. sharing and security assistance with the

country. presidential envoy steve witkoff will travel to moscow later this week. that's according to a source familiar with the plans who spoke to nbc news, although that source would not confirm who witkoff is specifically meeting with. >> we'll be looking. >> into that. >> well, david, if this. u.s. policy holds, it certainly does sound like a very positive, very positive step forward that secretary rubio announced yesterday. and they have said now the ball is in the russia's court. what do we expect? >> so, joe, first, it is extremely positive. this terrible war has been going on for three years. as national security advisor mike waltz said, it's a meat grinder and trying to stop that meat grinder is something that that i think everyone supports. certainly the ukrainians do. now it is up to russia. but i think more to the

point, it's up to the trump administration to pressure russia to make enough concessions that you have a real negotiation, something important that secretary rubio said in announcing this agreement is that he wants it to be enduring and sustainable. and that's a kind of code for giving ukraine enough security that it can be confident that six months, a year, two years after the agreement is made, russian troops won't simply resume the war and move towards kyiv. a lot of us think that putin has never really given up his desire to suppress ukraine as an independent nation, so this is going to be hard bargaining. russia does not want the kind of security guarantees that ukraine is talking about, and that and that we're part of the conversation in jeddah yesterday. i want to underline that this is something that they didn't come to agreement on, but they certainly talked about. so the action now moves to the us-russia dialog. i was thinking this morning that if there's one way that donald trump could

reset the global image of him, it's by being tough on vladimir putin, something that many of us have wondered if he could ever do, if he does it, if he says, you have to do this, or, you know, we are going to take increasing steps to compel you to the table, that would be interesting. >> yeah. to this point. >> though. >> he never has shown a willingness to be tough personally on putin, even as in the first term, his administration will be hard on russia. putin has trump, as we know time and time again, will be very deferential to the russian leader and elizabeth. that's continued so far in this term. and it's so much for trump. diplomacy is about personality. it's about those personal connections. and we should note this is a breakthrough yesterday for u.s. ukrainian relations. but who was not in the room? donald trump was not in the room. volodymyr zelensky was not in the room. and we know how trump feels about zelenskyy. so as this accelerates, what will you be looking for? because this won't get done until the very end when trump is in the room. how do you

see him playing the dynamics with both zelensky and putin? >> well, i want to know what his leverage is on on putin right now. more sanctions. what can he do? you know, if putin is balks or if there's a hold up in in the kind of security guarantees that the ukrainians want? what what is trump's that's actually ask david that he's sitting here. what is the next what is his next play? if putin balks, what kind of leverage does the united states have on putin right now in this war? it's a tough one. >> so there are two things that trump has spoken about that are worth noting. one is the ability to add additional sanctions. the russian economy is pretty fragile. they've been fighting a war for three years. their inflation problems are serious. they've had to divert resources to the war economy. so significant new additional economic pressure would be something that keith kellogg, who's the special envoy, said that our sanctions enforcement is now at about three. the sanctions may be may be at eight, but the enforcement is at

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or when? president trump rails against usaid calling it wasteful or part of a liberal agenda? back in. >> 2017. >> his own administration requested $37 billion for the program, saying it prioritizes the well-being of americans. and advances u.s. economic interests. was it a liberal agenda back then? and then there is president trump's claims of being tough on undocumented immigration, while suggesting former president biden was weak on the border. but now, new exclusive reporting from nbc news shows trump actually deported fewer people last month than biden did one year ago. joining us now, the reporter behind that story, nbc news senior homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. also with us, the host of way too early, ali vitali. >> and julia. two, two. two

different stories going on here. one is that deportations are lower, but also, as you also have reported, border crossings have plummeted over the past several months. >> yeah. so what's going on here, joe, is that we've heard a lot about the fact that border crossings have gone down and arrests have gone up, but it's been really hard to get our hands on this data about deportations. and of course, trump campaigned on mass deportations and his inaugural address. he said he would deport millions and millions. he never campaigned on mass arrests. and as we've reported here, not everyone who gets arrested by ice gets deported. some of them are released. some of them are not detained, not deportable. and so, as it turns out, there's actually fewer people who are deported. in february 2025, the first full month of trump being in office this term compared to february 2024 under biden. a big reason for that drop, though, and why it's lower under trump than it was under biden, is because customs and border protection are arresting fewer

people at the border. it's much easier to deport people right after they've crossed. we have a pathway there called expedited removal. biden used this to where they're basically deported very quickly, rather than being in the united states and facing that years long backlog in immigration courts. and so it's easier to deport them if they're arrested by border patrol. now, why the numbers are so low at the border is basically because trump has completely shut down the asylum system. biden, of course, signed that executive order in june of 2024. the numbers started to go down then because people weren't allowed to claim asylum if they crossed the border illegally. now, trump's made it impossible to claim asylum, even if you cross the border legally, as i'm told, it's almost impossible to even approach these legal ports of entry where historically, anyone who thinks that they are fleeing fear or persecution in their own country can make an asylum claim. now, there are 10,000 people from the mexican national guard standing by these ports of entry. many of these migrants can't even approach the legal ports of entry, and those who are coming through illegally are

very quickly stopped by border patrol. not because border patrol is really doing anything different, but because there are so many fewer migrants to actually track that they're able to spread their resources more efficiently there than they would be if there were a surge. also, mexico is doing a lot. mexico does not want tariffs. they're in a position where they're trying to do a lot to cooperate with the u.s. on immigration and to combat fentanyl. so they've increased interdictions as well. that's also bringing the numbers down at the border. but i do think it's important that we continue to look at this data on deportations, because it's something that they're not putting out. this is something that we obtained here at nbc. we also found that over half of those who were deported were non-criminal, which of course, goes against what the trump administration said they would do. but focusing on the worst of the worst for deportations. >> yeah, julia, that bucks the promise that you and i were talking about last week when you were here, with more reporting on this topic. but can you talk a little bit about how this latest report on deportation numbers being lower than the biden administration might only

exacerbate the frustration internally within the white house and at the agency level that you've been reporting on for the last two months of this administration, the concern and the frustration that they're not doing enough fast enough. >> yeah, you're right, ali. i think we also have to remember that they've been looking at these numbers, even though we're just now getting them. i think this explains a lot of that inner turmoil where we saw the acting head of ice get reassigned to another part of ice. they replaced him very quickly. that's someone who had a relationship with stephen miller and was handpicked for that job, and now they're replacing him. we know that border czar tom homan is very frequently on calls with ice, telling them they need to ramp up their deportation numbers. they try giving them a quota quotas that they weren't able to meet. of course, they've assigned many people from d.o.j. components like the atf and dea to go out and help make these arrests. none of that has actually brought the deportation numbers as high as they want them to. i will say, ali, one key thing that they could do or that they want to do that could

increase is more money. if they get more money from congress, which could be a long time coming, they can increase detention space and then they could arrest and deport more people. of course, they tried that in guantanamo bay. and now, as we've reported here, of course they're rethinking that policy, because that turned out to be so expensive and not logistically possible either. but this explains, i think these deportation numbers explain why we've seen so much hand-wringing, the anger, the firings. it's because of these numbers. and that's one of the reasons why they haven't been as public with these as they have been with the arrest numbers, which are up over 100%. >> coming up, the ranking member of the house budget committee is our guest. >> congressman brendan. >> boyle is leading the fight against the gop's new tax bill. and he joins us live from capitol hill. when morning joe comes right back. >> there must be songs. >> thanks for calling.

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>> 48 past the hour, a new book is reinforcing the fact that seeking out psychological treatment, no matter when you do it, is a sign of strength. the book is entitled the tell a memoir, and it's written by amy griffin, the founder and managing partner partner of g9 ventures, a firm that focuses on investing in female led start ups. in the memoir, griffin details her recent experiences using clinical doses of psychedelic therapy under medical supervision to process repressed childhood trauma. oprah winfrey named the tell as her book club's most recent pick, and amy griffin joins us now. also with us, huma abedin, msnbc contributor and vice chair of the 3050 summit. so, amy, in the book, you describe the

feeling of relief after undergoing treatment. and i want to read part of it because it's very powerful. you write in part this a weight that i'd been carrying forever slipped off my shoulders. it was the first time i had ever been honest with myself about what happened. i did not feel any shame. i was free, free as i'd been as a girl, doing cartwheels. free as i had been riding my banana seed bike through the brick lined streets of amarillo. i had been holding on to my denial like a life raft for so many years, certain that if i let go, i would drown. it was only once i finally did that i could allow the truth to take shape and now fully submerged, i found that i could swim, that i was just fine in these waters, transfixed by the beauty and the horror of what i'd been afraid to see from the surface, i wondered only why

i had waited so long to dive into the deep end. the only thing that had been waiting for me there was myself. and so amy prayed. you tell the message of the tell. >> thank you for having me. the message of the tell is. >> just the permission, the idea of giving. >> you permission to tell. >> your story. >> and i feel. >> like i've been on. >> this journey now. >> for the last five. >> years of. >> writing this book. >> to. >> tell this story. >> and here i am in. >> this moment today. it's never something. >> i would have. >> imagined because. >> i wrote the book first. >> for. >> me on. >> my bathroom floor. >> never knowing that. >> anyone would. >> ever. see the words that i had written. but then, in realizing. >> how i. >> could give. >> people freedom. >> in the telling, that's. >> what i'm doing now. >> so, amy, i want to ask you. you bravely bare your soul in this story. what made you take the leap of faith to write it, and was it cathartic to do the writing? >> i think all of it. i think the leap of faith is. >> something that's. >> happened, has had to happen

over and over and over. >> again to do. >> it once. >> and then to do it. >> again. >> to believe. >> yourself once. >> to trust. >> yourself once. >> and then do it over. >> and over and over again. >> so it wasn't just one leap of faith. it was. many times that i. >> dove in, and. >> i had. >> this book to. >> look back. >> at now. >> as the process of doing. >> that well. >> and as you continue. >> on your. healing journey now, how. >> are you taking. >> care. >> of yourself today, and how is that different from how. >> you used. >> to take care of yourself. before treatment? >> i think in many ways there were times people say, amy, you have two. >> gears fast. >> and faster. >> and i think now in this metaphorical. >> sense that i talk about running. >> in the. >> beginning of the book, that the. >> running can now. >> be a slower pace, that i can take life at a slower. pace and really trust. >> myself in the knowing of what went on in my. >> life and now be able to be there for those in my life in a different way that i maybe wasn't able to do before. >> you know, running. >> is such a through line in the book, and i love how you get to the end, and you're so. >> grounded in who. >> you are. and so what do you

want? people who have had similar experiences to take away from the story? what is the takeaway? >> i think it's so important to realize that you can live with something that happened to you, rather than living from it, and i can't be prescriptive and control what anyone will think about this story. i can only imagine that five years. >> down the. >> road that someone will turn their bedside lamp on and they'll take a passage or a post-it note and take. >> one line. >> from this book, and it will have. them change their life and do something about it. and that's permission. that's granting permission to change. >> amy, your message to someone who's been through perhaps a life changing, life threatening trauma, maybe carrying that trauma with them would be what. >> to tell someone. >> to reach out and find that person who you have in your life. that you can. >> look them in the eyes. >> and say, i have to tell you something. and on the other end, they can hold that. >> the new memoir, the tell, is on sale now. author and investor amy griffin, thank you so much.

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engel has more from southern ukraine. >> after a day of. >> marathon talks. >> ukraine and the trump administration appeared to. >> bury the hatchet. >> the allies. now back on the same page in saudi arabia. ukraine accepted a proposal brought by the u.s. for a total immediate. >> ceasefire lasting. >> 30 days. ukraine would pause. >> fighting in the air, at sea and at the front line. >> but only. >> if russia agrees as well. >> the ball is now in their court. >> in exchange for. >> the full ceasefire. more than. >> the partial. >> one, ukraine had been. >> proposing. >> the trump administration backed away from its strong arm tactics, resuming intelligence sharing with ukraine and the supply of american weapons. >> both were suspended. >> after that disastrous meeting in. >> the oval office. >> when president trump and vice president vance accused ukrainian president. >> zelensky of. >> being unappreciative of american assistance. >> and not. >> being serious about peace. president trump said ukraine has changed its position.

>> the last visit you saw at the oval office. and so that's a total cease fire. ukraine is agreed to it and hopefully russia will agree to it. we're going to meet with them later on today and tomorrow. >> zelensky invited back to the white house. >> sure. >> president zelensky. >> thanked president trump and. said the u.s. must. now try to convince. >> russia to stop. >> its attacks, which. >> continued overnight even after the announcement. >> ukraine has. >> we agree. >> and if the. >> russians agree, silence. >> will take. >> effect at. >> that very moment, zelensky said. the trump. >> cease fire would not end the war. >> it does not lay out. >> terms. >> define territorial concessions. >> nato membership or other. >> security arrangements. >> but it could pause. >> the fighting in this conflict. >> that has. >> killed and injured around a million people on both sides, and opened the door for negotiations. >> and just. >> moments ago, at a refueling stop on his way back from saudi arabia, secretary of state rubio

had this to say. >> as far. >> as the russian reaction. >> to it, that's really. >> the question here. >> and that is this is. >> a few hours old. we're going to bring it. >> to them directly. >> we're going. >> to say. that ukraine is prepared to stop. >> all battlefield. activity and. >> begin the. >> immediate process of negotiating. >> an enduring. >> end. >> to the war, and we'll see what the response is. if their response is yes. >> then we. >> know we've made real. >> progress and. >> there's. >> a real chance of peace. if their response is no. >> it would be. >> highly unfortunate and it would make their intentions clear. >> joining us now, democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut. he's the ranking member on the house intelligence committee. good to have you on. what do you make of what we hear so far about this potential deal? and also marco rubio making it very clear that russia's response will make it very clear to all of us where they stand on peace. >> yeah. >> mika. >> i was sort of chuckling at your characterization at the top of the hour of ukraine. agreeing

to a cease fire. they didn't agree to a cease fire. >> they bent the. >> knee to the extortion. >> that started in the oval office when president. >> trump and vice president. vance beat. up on. >> zelensky, cut off his. >> flow of arms. >> and cut off the intelligence sharing that every day saves lives in places. >> like kyiv. >> so no surprise there. when you're being extorted. >> by the most. >> powerful country in the. >> world, eventually you have. >> to. >> go. >> along with it. now a ceasefire is a good thing. >> fewer people. >> will die. the resumption of intelligence to. >> russia, to ukraine, i should say. >> about russia. >> is a good thing. but let's be very clear. >> about what's going to happen in this. >> cease fire. >> the russians are going to take. >> advantage of. >> their industrial. might to move troops to surround the kursk salient. >> where, as you know, the ukrainians had invaded into russia and to reposition for a much more bloody. >> subsequent follow up once the cease. >> fire. as it inevitably will, is ended. >> congressman, certainly. you

express real pessimism there that russia will abide this and at least any meaningful way, perhaps beyond the 30 days. so what does need to happen, in your estimation, for a more. >> permanent end to. >> this conflict? >> well. >> and let me be. >> clear here, i think that, you. >> know, russia thinks in. >> terms of years. >> and decades with respect. >> to ukraine, as we saw, because. >> they. >> really started this. >> invasion in 2014. 11 years ago when they went into crimea. >> so i don't know that putin, sort of. six months from now is, is on the move. >> but this doesn't. >> end because. >> of course, the way that this has come about is one that. >> says to vladimir putin. >> this is painful and expensive. >> but eventually. >> you get what you want, especially if donald. >> trump is, is. is president. >> so again, we'll need. >> to. >> see what sort of security guarantees. >> are ultimately given to the ukrainians. donald trump says there will. >> be none. >> that plus putin learning. >> that expensive though it may be, he. >> achieves his aims is something that he learns. >> by the way. >> it's something that xi

president xi in beijing. >> also learns. >> with respect to. >> what he may or may not do. >> in taiwan. so, again. >> i. >> don't know if this. >> is. >> a disaster in the. >> next. >> six months or the next six years, but given. >> the way. >> that. >> the united states has behaved, this is a disaster. >> being set up. >> well, your your characterization, though a democrat and people watching may think, well, he's just saying that because he doesn't like the democrat. it lines up a good bit with what the wall street journal editorial page says. in fact, the headline is ukraine vows to trump cease fire. i am curious, though, the biden administration for years said this war was not going to be won militarily. what marco rubio said flying over to saudi arabia, as i said on the show a few days ago, echoed what i heard from the biden administration all the way back to 2023. so what does need to be done, in your estimation, to

make sure that this ceasefire is permanent? >> yeah. >> joe. fair characterization. >> by the. >> way, and you sort of brought. partizanship into this. so let me let me indicate how i think about this. partizanship you characterize biden's position? exactly right, which is that this. >> was not going to. >> be. >> won the way this would have. >> been won would have been. >> had. >> you know, three years ago when the russians first. >> invaded. >> if the biden. >> administration had. >> given the ukrainians quickly the weapons they. >> needed to push. >> the russians back, that did not happen. instead, we for a period of years gave the ukrainians the weapons they needed. >> to lose slowly. >> that's a bad strategy that was implemented by the biden administration. if what we're talking. >> about here is partizan views. >> but to your question, your. >> forward looking question, the. >> key now, the key now is. security guarantees. right. so you know, we. >> cut the. >> ground out from under ukraine. why the president chose. >> to. >> do that rather than. >> with russia. >> i have. >> my theories on. >> but we cut the ground out from under ukraine. >> now, the question. >> is what security guarantees will be provided? donald trump says no. my guess is that europe

is going to come up with something. but if there. >> are. >> not good security guarantees that make it obvious. to putin. >> that he cannot. >> go beyond whatever line of. >> cease fire he gets. >> to, this will. happen again, and it will be, to a significant measure, our fault to the early waffling of the biden administration, to the republican party, which delayed aid in the. congress for a year. and now, of course, to that chamberlain and munich moment when the president and the vice president beat up on president zelensky in the oval office and voted with russia and north korea against our allies in the united nations. >> and again, the partizanship that you say brought up was actually bipartisanship, saying that both you as a democrat and the conservatives who support republicans for the most part, in the wall street journal editorial page, are also deeply concerned with this. do you believe we were talking to ambassador mcfaul yesterday? do you believe the possibility of a

european peacekeeping force and american business interests in ukraine combine in the future to build a sort of tripwire against a future putin invasion? because, as ambassador mcfaul said, those mining interests that donald trump talks about, that's not like a six month plan. you go in, you invest, you build infrastructure, and it's years in the making. does that provide a tripwire that provides security for ukraine? not even close, joe. >> i mean, this whole bit of extortion where we are demanding minerals in exchange for helping the ukraine, helping ukraine is. >> just absurd. no, i. >> mean, let me let me. >> tell. >> you how this happens, right? two years from now, when there's a bunch of american mining companies in eastern ukraine and putin decides that, you know, the trump administration is coming to a close, so he needs to finish this thing. he makes up some sort of. provocation on

the part. >> of the ukrainians. >> he says, oh my gosh, they did this. we are going to move in some troops and we're going to start, you know, set up, setting up a no fly zone. >> so you better get. >> your people out. that's how that ends now. so that's. >> a sham. >> that's a complete sham. >> could the europeans. >> put together a peacekeeping force? you know probably not today. but you know, europe has sat up and taken notice that the united states no longer. stands with them. so i think that over the course of the next couple of years, they're going to do what they need to do to develop a pretty significant military capability. and if they have the fortitude which this administration and, candidly, the biden administration didn't show, put enough of that military capability into and around ukraine to deter russian, you know, advance. but right now, that's not really a thing. >> so ranking member of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. and

let's bring in now, nbc news national security analyst clint watts. >> clint, talk about the. the importance of, of course, military weapons. but the intel sharing and what happened when they weren't getting u.s. intel and the birx region and how important it is for them to be getting that intel now. >> yeah, joe. so we've talked about two aspects of the relationship with the u.s. >> in this coalition. >> one was the military spending and equipment, and two. >> was intel sharing. >> if we look. >> over. >> the balance over the. >> last two years. >> three years that i've been coming on now talking. >> about this conflict, the u.s. has. >> a smaller. >> percentage than it. was 1 or 2. >> years ago in. >> military spending. but intel sharing, particularly. when it goes outside of the borders of ukraine. that is critical. and that's what the u.s. can really provide. >> if you look at what's going on in kursk right now, that's. >> that region. >> where the ukrainians. >> essentially took russian. >> land, went.

>> in. >> took a section. >> of russia, have held it for. >> many, many months. >> now, often thought to be a bargaining chip. >> to use. >> in exchange. >> with. >> the russians. should they come to some sort of peace settlement? they have lost. ground just in the last week. significant loss of ground, massive russian buildup. and the real question then is, was that. >> u.s. intelligence. >> sharing was letting them. understand what was going on inside russia. i don't think any of us. >> know that. >> exactly, but it it is a correlation between those two things. shutdown of. >> u.s. intel. >> the ukrainians. really can only depend on. their intelligence. that's more tactical and operational right there on the front line of the battlefield. so, clint, as you sat. >> down and we were talking off camera about these recent developments. >> you expressed some optimism. >> that. actually what we saw yesterday, the 30 day cease fire that ukraine has agreed to, we'll see if russia does. >> might end up working. >> explain what you mean. is that for the short term, or even bringing a more permanent. >> end. >> to the conflict? >> i think we just need to look at what the trump administration has said that they wanted to do. it was two big objectives. one in the war in 100 days. we can

talk about timelines. >> that used to. >> be a criticism against president obama. why would you put anything on a timeline? because that gives the negotiation strategy to your adversary, in this case, russia. the second part, though, is eu strengthening of their security. >> and their military spending. >> that seems to already be. happening to some degree. >> you're seeing the eu. >> really build up. they're talking about more spending, sending in some reinforcements. if you look at just the negotiations in those first 100 days, there's two parts to it. the u.s. has used its leverage on ukraine. that's what we. saw yesterday. we have this 30 day. cease fire from the ukrainian side. the problem that i really just don't understand, and it's an open question. maybe there's something i don't know is what is the leverage on russia to participate in any of this. the tariffs last week, all spending to russia for the most part from the u.s. or most countries that we deal with is already down probably 90 or more percent. so they have already. if you look at what russia has done over the last three years, which i wouldn't have believed maybe is they've been able to keep personnel going to the front line. they've strengthened alliances with china and iran

for equipment and military spending. they've got north korean troops that are showing up on the battlefield, and they've been able to sustain the fight. this goes to kind of the intro of this section is what was the strategy to end this conflict? because the ukrainians short on troops, while they do have some weapons, are basically in a defense. and if you look at what the strategy has to be and bringing an end to this, russia has continued to sustain now for three years, remarkably sustained in all of those categories. >> all right. nbc news national security analyst clint watts, thank you very much for being on this morning. so president trump's 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports went into effect overnight, as the stock market saw another day of declines. nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake has the details on that, as well as a new round of cuts at another cabinet level department. >> this morning. >> a drastic change to. >> the department of education. >> the.

>> trump administration planning. >> to cut the staff of the agency. >> in half. >> doe workers. >> ordered to stay. >> home today, with some. >> 1300 career employees. expected to be terminated. >> the new education. >> secretary says. >> the president's. >> ultimate goal. >> is. >> to shut down. >> the agency. >> but that. >> would require an. >> act of congress. >> what we did today was. >> to take the first step of eliminating what i think is, is bureaucratic bloat. >> the department of education says it serves over 50 million. students across the. >> country. its staff. >> working on. >> programs from. student loans. >> to antidiscrimination. >> laws and campus safety. >> the head of. >> the advocacy. >> group, the national. >> education association. >> saying, quote, the. >> real victims will be our. >> most vulnerable students. >> it comes as president trump made a show of support. >> for the. >> head of his. >> administration's cost cutting. >> program, tesla. >> ceo elon musk. >> the president. displaying teslas. >> on the white house. >> south lawn as the company's. >> stock struggles during the general market turmoil this week. with investors. >> still concerned about. >> a possible.

>> recession. >> which the. >> president shrugged. >> off yesterday. >> i don't see it at all. i think this country is going to boom. >> and overnight. >> trump putting in place. >> promised 25%. >> tariffs on. >> steel and aluminum. >> imports from. >> around the world. >> we've been ripped off for years by other countries. >> most of the united. >> states imported steel. >> and nearly. >> all of its aluminum comes from canada. >> the two countries avoided more. escalation yesterday. >> after trump threatened. >> heavier tariffs. >> after a canadian politician briefly taxed electricity in three u.s. states. both sides eventually backing down. >> let's work together. cooler, cooler. heads have to prevail here. >> the tariffs, weighing heavily on many. >> businesses like dc's right proper brewing company, which gets. aluminum beer cans from canada. >> how much does any. >> small disruption potentially throw you guys off? >> it could be massive, roughly, if we were to incur a 25% increase in that cost, it would be about 40 over $40,000 for us, which is the cost of an

employee. >> all right. that was nbc's garrett hake with that report. meanwhile, a new cnn poll finds trump's job approval rating is at 45%, with 54% disapproving. on the economy, 45% approve of trump's policies, while 56% disapprove, and on tariffs, 39% approve of trump's efforts, 61% disapprove. joining us now, we have member of the new york times editorial board, mara gay, an opinion columnist at the washington post, catherine rampell catherine is joining msnbc as a co-host of the evening edition of the weekend on saturday and sunday. congratulations. welcome aboard. great to have you. >> it is fantastic to have you. catherine, your take on what we've been seeing over the past several weeks, culminating in the last two days of huge stock losses on wall street.

>> it's just insane. i cannot fathom why trump is doing this, except for the fact that a he's in love with tariffs, he's a tariff man, and b worth reminding people that the two people who are egging trump on to wage trade wars against our friends and allies are people on behalf of the steel industry, are people who used to work for the steel industry. the u.s. trade representative represented cleveland-cliffs, a major steel company in the united states. peter navarro, trump's trade guru, had previously had a film called death by china sponsored by nucor, another major steel company. so he's getting bad advice, i guess even if he got good advice, i'm not sure he would follow it. but clearly markets are very unhappy with how things are going as they should be. >> so, catherine, first of all, congratulations. >> as well. but let's take that big picture. >> look at. >> the state of the economy right now. we just had that polling released. >> this morning, americans souring.

>> on it. in fact. >> this is the lowest americans have approved of his handling of the economy, even including his first term. slightly better inflation news this morning, which we'll. >> get to. but on the whole we're seeing the markets tumble. >> we're seeing, you know, trump voters as well as others worried about their 401. >> s. and the like. at what. >> point here where is this going. >> right now. >> trump inherited a quite a good economy actually. voters did not recognize it in november for all sorts of reasons we can discuss. but trump actually inherited very strong economic growth, low unemployment cooling, if not quite low enough inflation, a lot of very good trends. and the best thing he could have done when he came into office, as i have said many times, is just nothing at all. you know, go play golf, take credit for the gains he was already inheriting. and instead, of course, he is wreaking havoc. he's not only creating a lot more uncertainty and potentially higher costs for businesses, which will then be passed along,

at least in part to consumers. he's also threatening to deport half of the agricultural labor force, which also threatens to increase food prices. he's leaning on the federal reserve. i think this is sort of the sleeper story of this year. he did this last time, of course, when he was president. it would be very bad now for him to be seen as strong arming the fed, which has historically politically independent needs, that political independence for its credibility. and if, in fact he is seen as pushing on or leaning on them to lower prices, that will actually, perversely worsen inflation in the long run. so a lot of reasons to think he's he's messing up a very nicely wrapped gift that he had gotten. >> catherine, congratulations. it's great to work. >> with you. >> could you. >> talk a little bit about the jobs numbers? and i mean. i think so much of consumer sentiment has to do not only with unemployment right now, but also there is a stickiness, it seems, to inflation on housing costs. could you talk a little bit about that? i mean, i know

about a dozen people who have just lost their jobs in the past. two months alone here in new york. so there's a. lot of fears of recession kind of among. ordinary americans. what are you seeing? what kind. >> of how do you read. >> that from. >> your perspective? >> well, let's talk about two different things. so one is employment. the most recent employment data we got were actually fine. they were, you know, a little bit softer than they had been. i think it was around 150,000 jobs, if i remember correctly. but it was a snapshot from before the doge layoffs. it was a snapshot from before. a lot of private sector companies that interact with the federal government may have responded as well as as you allude to, these sort of fears that people may be pulling, you know, fears that a recession may be coming related to all of that, related to the trade wars that may cause consumers to hold back, which will, in turn affect whether companies hire or lay off employees. so that's one piece of this. things weren't so bad. then. i will be closely watching what happens in the next jobs report. however, when some of these factors we've been

talking about will be visible on housing. so this is an excellent question. housing has been a pain point for the american people for a very long time. we essentially under built after the financial crisis and the housing bust. and we are paying the cost for that now, as particularly as millennials age into prime home buying years, their family expansions, they need more housing. et cetera. but we have not increased supply. and that's a really hard problem. and it's largely a problem that relates to state and local governments. however, the federal government is now making this worse. i mentioned threatened deportations of the agricultural labor force. also, the construction labor force, the construction labor force is disproportionately made of foreign born workers, whether people who are documented or undocumented. but trump has threatened to throw those people out. and potentially people may be afraid to show up for work. beyond that, the tariffs, those

are huge in terms of housing costs. so if you are a home builder, not only are you dealing with labor force issues, not only are you dealing with high interest rates, you are also dealing with higher steel costs. steel is a major input into housing lumber. another major input into housing. a lot of the other tariffs that trump has either threatened or has actually put in place will again increase the cost of building new homes. so it was already a problem. i don't fault trump for that, but he's certainly making it worse. >> so catherine, the new washington post opinion piece that you coauthored has this headline, how trump is reshaping reality. >> by hiding data. you write in. >> part this the trump administration. >> is deleting. >> taxpayer funded data, information that americans use to make sense of the world. in its absence, the president. >> can. >> paint the world as he pleases. we don't know the full universe of statistics that have gone missing, but the u.s. d.o.j. services wrecking. ball

has already. >> left behind a wasteland. >> of 404 pages. all sorts of useful information has disappeared, including. >> data on climate. >> sexual orientation and gender, natural hazards, crime and health. for trump, the current reality. >> can definitely. >> be uncomfortable. after all. >> government data includes a lot of dividends that could frustrate his. >> ambitions. >> so he developed. >> a smoke and mirrors act. inconvenient truths threaten trump's plan, so he disappears the relevant data and uses other tactics to obscure reality. >> this makes it easier. >> for. >> him to. >> do what. >> he wants. >> tell us a little bit more about this phenomenon. >> and is there any recourse here? >> the data that doge and the rest are getting rid of. can it be salvaged? >> there are some companies that are working to save and archive data that has already been collected. so for example, we'll see public health data that's been taken down. this is all taxpayer funded by the way. climate data that's been taken down. you know, data on

demographics, trans people who trump would prefer don't exist. various various measures like that, things that we probably take for granted. but that doesn't mean that there's a private sector equivalent, even in the nonprofit sector, that can continue those data series. so, for example, among the things we take for granted is weather data, right? normal people check the weather on their on their phone as i do. that comes from noaa, that comes from a publicly funded, an independent agency that has been cleaned out in terms of staff layoffs. a number of other agencies have either seen their contracts canceled. the education department, for example, most of the data that the education department collects on how well children can read, can they add that is done by outside contractors. those contracts have already been canceled. so those numbers are not being collected. there's not an equivalent in the private

sector to collect similar data. and now, of course, the education department writ large may be dismantled. so a lot of things going on here that will affect not only regular americans, but the business sector as well. >> washington post columnist and co-host of the evening edition of the weekend here on msnbc. catherine rampell, thank you and welcome, and it's great to have you. time now for a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. amazon, google and meta are joining the call to expand nuclear power. the tech companies and a large number of large energy consumers signed a pledge to support a goal of tripling the world's nuclear capacity by 2050. amazon says it has invested more than $1 billion in the nuclear industry in just the past year, calling the need for new power stations critical for u.s. security. cancer patients in tennessee and mississippi now have a new way to meet with

their oncology specialists, the west cancer center and research institute now offers a hologram service for placing the hours on the road that doctors typically spend each week visiting patients in rural locations instead of a video call. patients can interact with lifesize hologram like displays, which officials say do a better job of conveying body language and hand motions. the hardware and software is provided by a los angeles based startup known for creating holograms and for concerts and other live events. >> you know, we've done that for tj, our director. he has a hologram. he doesn't. yeah, he doesn't have to come in. >> for everybody. >> to come in, you know, horse and buggy from lancaster county. and he doesn't have to do that. and what he does it's a hologram. >> yeah. >> thank you. and can we do we have a shot of him? it's very lifelike. no thank you. >> thankfully, that. >> camera is.

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>> at michter's distillery. >> in louisville. >> iconic kentucky. bourbon is distilled. >> aged. >> bottled and shipped to more than 80 countries, their largest foreign market. canada, where most provinces are now defiantly. pulling american liquor from store shelves. >> it's definitely caused a hit to our business. >> andrea wilson. >> is michter's chief operating officer. >> orders have. been canceled. that's the reality of it already. >> orders have been canceled. >> yes. >> we have. >> $115,000 of product sitting. >> that product is just sitting here in michter's. warehouse with canada specific. >> labels on these bottles. >> in english. >> and in french. >> they don't know. >> what to do with this. >> and if. >> nothing changes. >> they fear. >> their losses will grow. >> the timing couldn't be worse for many american. whiskey producers. one study. >> showing the industry recently. >> saw a nearly 2%. >> drop in revenue amid the slowdown. the ceo. >> of. >> jack daniel's. >> parent company.

>> called canada's product poll worse. >> than a tariff. >> because it's literally. >> taking your. >> sales away. >> i don't sleep right now. >> you don't. >> sleep right? i don't sleep. >> at breaux brothers distillery. victor yarborough is. in the middle of building a massive new tasting room that. >> expansion banking. >> on a. >> deal to. >> start selling spirits in canada. >> that deal now. >> dead, he's scrambling to find a plan b. >> maybe they'll take 5% of that. maybe india take 10%. >> of that. >> but he worries. any export. plan feels like. >> a risk in an industry. >> with profits already. >> going down. >> the drain. >> it could be a country we're speaking with right now to all of a sudden you guys are going to get hit with tariffs next and then that deal falls through. so it's a constant uncertainty. >> as you. >> see breaux. >> brothers is trying to. >> pivot as best they can go to brazil go to. >> india see. >> who will take. >> that excess product. as far as michter's is concerned they're. >> a little. >> more established. they've literally been around for centuries. so they are trying to see what they can salvage from this long standing friendship

with their canadian export partners and guys. >> andrea wilson, that ceo. >> in the piece, is actually headed to canada later this month to see if she can try. >> at least a little bit to. >> smooth things over with these relationships, which are now strained. >> we'll say. >> at best. >> we'll. >> send it back. >> to you at best. yeah. nbc's maggie vespa, thank you very much for that report. and obviously, kentucky's two senators have spoken out against the tariffs. we heard experts on cnbc yesterday calling this insanity complete insanity is happening. >> rand paul and mitch mcconnell, both republican kentucky senators, both speaking out against the tariffs. you see in the lower corner of the screen right now, the dow has opened up post sell off reaction right now, starting about about 150 points up. we will see if you have a lot of people that go in and try to buy and get gains out of the recent dip, or

whether the market thinks that it's going to be extended. >> we'll see. let's bring in democratic congressman brendan boyle of pennsylvania. he is the ranking member of the house budget committee and also a member of the house ways and means committee. thank you for being on. congressman. just your reaction so far to these tariff wars. >> this is. >> probably the dumbest war the united. >> states has. >> ever fought by far. you know, when you think back. >> just six. >> months ago. >> to. >> all the campaigning that was happening nationwide, but especially in. my state. >> of pennsylvania. >> the biggest battleground state of the last presidential election, both sides were talking about the need to reduce costs for the average american family. that was by far the number one issue, as polls showed. and here we are months later, president trump is purposely doing something not to bring down costs, but to dramatically increase them. it makes no sense. congressman good morning. yesterday the. house

voted to pass the cr. we'll see what happens in the senate. now give us your thoughts though as this happens against the backdrop of what we've seen from the trump administration. not just the, shall we say, haphazard. economic policy that has sent the markets, for the most part, in a in a tailspin the last few days, but also what elon musk is doing to government agencies. >> yeah. >> you know. >> over the. >> last couple of weeks, people have asked me about a hypothetical government shutdown to commence midnight on friday. and i. >> try to. >> remind folks. >> who ask. >> me that we are already in a partial government shutdown. so i voted against the continuing resolution or cr yesterday. i don't know how i could vote to fund agency. x on one day, and then the very next day, the agency that i voted to fund is illegally shut. >> down by. >> elon musk and his frat bros. >> so for me. >> and i think for almost all of my democratic colleagues. without any sort of. ironclad assurance that what we were

voting for would be carried out, there was. >> no way we could vote yes. >> congressman mara gay here. do you see the tariffs as producing enough pain for the constituents of your republican colleagues to create any daylight between them in the white house, or is that still a hard no? >> well, i mean, so many of. >> my republican colleagues will announce that they are a no on a bill, and then they will. >> get one. >> phone call from president trump, and then suddenly they have an amazing evolution. and they do exactly what donald trump wants. they do his bidding. i have seen that repeated. and repeated, not just the first four years he was president. >> but especially. >> ever since january 20th. i think. >> it's going. >> to, unfortunately, take a lot. of pain and a lot of the average american voter in these republican districts voicing their displeasure to their members of congress. so that way, their republican members essentially become more afraid of their own voters than they

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blooming fashion. >> i was like. >> i'll write a book 12 years too late. >> that is smart. >> yeah. so you'll read perhaps to. >> other people's children? >> yeah. >> i'll just knock on doors. >> i'm gonna. >> knock on doors. hey, do you have a kid? you want me to read them a book? >> so what was. >> the process like, though? putting this putting this together from, you know, you had said as you sat down, you said this was sort of an idea you had. you know, deep inside you feel like you needed to get it out. yeah. but that that's the process for getting it out, to. >> get it on the page. >> walk us through that. >> well, so. >> i pitched the idea to my editor, jen klonsky, in this. >> very nice, smart woman. who was my. >> editor and almost. >> like sort of my boss at the. >> same time. >> so it was. >> an interesting relationship. >> and a lucky. >> relationship because she's great. >> and i. >> pitched the idea. >> for the book, and the. >> last thing she said before i. >> left the meeting was, oh, one. thing i would. >> just try. >> not. >> to rhyme. >> rhyming is. >> really hard. >> so instantly all i. >> could think. >> of were rhymes. >> and went. >> to. >> a show with my wife and kids, and in the back of an uber, i

wrote probably. >> half of the book in rhyme. >> ben, could you talk to us a little. >> bit. >> about this actual story? i love reading to my goddaughter. there's a. >> lot of kind. >> of books about how to help kids confront fears. so what is actually scarier than thunder? talk to us about about the storyline and. >> the plot here. >> well, i mean, thunder is. >> just a placeholder, right? >> because we all have fears, you know? >> so i think my. >> point of. >> writing the book, and hopefully what kids can get out of it, is the idea that. instead of just. sitting and wallowing. >> in a thing, you can make it silly. >> and if you can start to get out of that. >> place. >> it can. >> make you less anxious and feel better. >> and hopefully go. >> to. >> sleep, which is great for the kids and also. >> great for parents. >> fun is underrated, right? >> yes, exactly. >> i think. >> being silly is underrated too. i mean, you know, especially now. >> yeah. >> we can use. >> a little silliness perhaps. so you also. recently wrote a piece for. >> men's health. >> about one. of your. favorite parts of fatherhood. it's titled. why dad should embrace driving their kids to school.

and you write in part this i'm not a super adventurous, devil may care. kind of father. >> in fact. >> the girls tell. >> me all. >> the time. >> in the. >> deepest recesses of my soul, there. >> lives an. >> italian grandmother. >> she just. >> wants. >> everyone to eat well and to be safe and happy. >> so the. >> most actual fun i have as a dad, and i'm not bsing. >> you on. >> this, is taking my. >> daughters to school. >> what i have though is. >> absolute. most fun doing on these rides is. and here is where my old world maternal instincts. come out talking. >> we talk about anything. >> and everything. >> even if i wake up feeling groggy, even if the coffee. >> isn't working like it's supposed to. even if wordle. kicked my, there's no. >> better feeling than. >> cruising towards school at the top of the day. just two. amazing girls, our. >> dog and. their italian. grandma dad. >> and that's a wonderful little excerpt. wordle, by the way. >> got in for today. >> nice job. let us know. >> how you do. >> but talk to us about that. the simple joy of. >> conversation and how

especially. >> look as as our you. >> know, my kids 13. >> and ten, they get older, they get busier. >> having that time with. >> them, it. >> becomes more. >> and more fleeting and more precious. this feels like a wonderful ritual. >> yes. >> it really is. >> and the irony of me writing that article. >> is that basically like about two weeks after. >> my older daughter. >> vivian, got her license. >> so that was like. >> so this article. >> came out. >> because i. >> wrote it a while ago and i was like, oh my gosh. >> my favorite thing to do. and it's gone. okay, cool. >> because she. >> was like, she would just leave and she'd be like. i can't figure this out. i can't. because if i drove you, you'd need to, i guess uber home. and so yeah. >> it was. >> i do think finding those times. >> finding that space, especially with teenagers because. >> you know, my girls are. really great and they're so nice. and they will give me time right when they get home. here's what's going on. how are you? >> great to see you. >> and then. >> just sort of a door closes, you know, and they they've been at school all day. they like they deserve. >> their decompression time. >> so driving has been. >> a godsend. >> and now. it's sort of over.

>> so ben. >> it is an interesting time, as john said to, for you to write a children's book. can you talk a little bit about that? are you kind of fearing becoming an empty nester? are you kind of reminiscing on your own childhood in a really hard time in the country, in the world, kind of getting back to your inner child? what's going on? >> well, i think. >> maybe so, because when i was, like i said, when i was a kid, i had a little trouble going to sleep and my sort of savior were. comic books, because i guess i'm kind of nerdy and whatever. and actually, it got to the point. i was on the top of a bunk bed in middle america, and i read. >> so many comic. >> books, and they started falling down that my mom actually put. >> a little. >> shelf next to my bed so i could put my comic books, and. that sort of little act of love, like, feels like what. >> it's. >> all about, right? >> we're like, that's. why you. >> that's why. you write it. that's why you want everyone to feel better when you can. >> you know what i mean? >> sure. >> yeah. well, this is really fun. >> and the. >> book is great. the new

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