their their senses. there's going to be a rehab period where they're going to be exercising, getting used to lifting weights and doing things the way you exercise on earth versus versus in space. there's going to be a lot of debriefs because people are going to want to know their story. i think in this case, there's going to be a lot of media events because people are going to want to hear from you and your colleagues, i'm sure are going to want to speak to them. so i think there's going to be a lot of that, a lot of busy. >> stuff going on. and then i think they'll get. >> a chance to take a vacation. >> oh, well, we wish them the very best. a safe travel home, that's for sure. mike massimino, thank you so much for joining us. look forward to talking to you again soon. on the other side, i feel like i'm in kind of the edge of space here today with this fun setup. thanks, p.j, our director, for doing it for us. that's going to do it for me today. thank you for joining us. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning. 11 a.m. eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. i'm

jose diaz-balart. we begin this busy hour with breaking news on president. >> trump's large scale effort. >> to shrink the federal government. >> last night. >> the education department. >> fired 1300 people. >> the department has already eliminated. >> more than. 600 positions through. >> buyouts and. >> layoffs, essentially cutting. >> its workforce in half. >> while the president cannot. >> shut down an agency without congressional approval. >> education secretary linda mcmahon. said last night she's following mr. trump's orders. >> is this the first step. >> on the. >> road to a total shutdown? >> yes, actually it is, because that was the president's mandate. his directive to me, clearly is to shut down the department of education, which we know will have to work with congress, you know, to get that accomplished. but what we did today was to take the first step of eliminating what i think is, is bureaucratic bloat. >> joining us. >> now, nbc news white house. >> correspondent vaughn hillyard, nbc's julie ainsley.

>> outside the department. >> of education. >> also with us is susan. >> page, washington. >> bureau chief at usa today. >> and lance. >> trover, republican strategist. former campaign. >> spokesman for doug. >> burgum's presidential campaign. so, julia. >> what's happening today. >> at the department? >> you know, jose, it's actually eerily quiet here. i understand there were some rallies here yesterday afternoon as as rumors that this firing would be coming. we're starting to trickle down. and then we saw late afternoon about 60 or 70 employees kind of quietly ushering out with their things because they were told they needed to leave the building by 6:00 last night. today i've seen one protester, not even a former employee, just someone who says she's here standing up for teachers. so it's been really quiet here today. and, you know, we've seen protests across other agencies with the usaid cuts. we could see protests later. but at this point and what you're seeing there is from yesterday, but today, it seems there's kind of a quiet resignation from people here at this department that has been cut in half. and

like you said, jose, they cannot shut down this department without congress. they would need 60 votes to get past a filibuster. and the white house has said that they will continue a lot of the work of the department of education, which has a lot to do with the overseeing of federal student loans and grants that go out to schools across the country. but, of course, a lot of people sounding the alarm about how this department is going to continue to do that work at the pace, at the efficiency it had done in the past with only half of its workforce. jose. >> yeah. >> i mean, susan, what's the impact? certainly the impact. right now. >> half of its workforce. >> is essentially out. >> but but. >> across the country. >> well, of course school districts are run. schools are run by state and local local governments, not by not by the federal government. there are programs that they have that on student loans, on pell grants, on aid to aid to schools that have a lot of low income kids. so it's not as though parents

are going to see a change in what their kids are being taught in the curriculum or in the teachers who are standing at the front of the room. it's going to. >> be. >> i think, a more subtle change, including if you're trying to get some services that the education department has been providing in the past. that may be where citizens really notice a difference, and i'm sure there will be some differences in in what the education department monitors, the things that it it tries to track, including student test scores and issues like that on education. so not the direct impact of some other cuts, but some impact nevertheless. jose. >> yeah. and vaughn. >> the president's. >> recent cost cutting efforts have had some. >> impact, some backlash. >> and now new. >> polling shows 6 in 10 adults, or 62%. of folks are concerned the cuts will go too far. are there any concerns about the long term. >> political fallout. >> at the. >> white house? >> the long term political fallout, i think, comes up to

the 2026 midterms here, and that is where you have seen republicans step away from these town halls, understanding the reaction and the visuals that have come away from them. but in so many ways, on some of these efforts to downsize the federal government, these are long promises that have been sought after by conservatives. you know, for the department of education, for instance, this has been a decades long promise and effort to shut down or pare down the department of education that precedes years before donald trump ever entered into the political fray here. and so, in so many ways, the downsizing of the government does line up with the small government messaging that republicans have for so long advocated for and the idea, for instance, on education, that it comes down to greater local control and that localities and states should be at the forefront of making these decisions, that dollar shouldn't

be determined as to where they are dispersed from the federal government, but instead those should be made at the more local level here. but when it comes to, you know, potential unemployment of federal workers, i think we have to come back to the reality that just about 20% of federal workers are here in the greater dc area, 80% of them are in communities spread out here across the country. and so the effort to downsize the government has those ramifications that undoubtedly communities are seeing themselves. >> yeah. i mean. >> laser fired education. department attorney. >> just spoke. >> with my colleague. >> ana cabrera in. >> the last hour. >> take a listen to some of what they were talking about. >> i am definitely angry because i don't understand why i and my colleagues have been targeted for just doing our jobs. our jobs are protecting the american public and their students. so it's very frustrating to not only have to endure the demeaning emails and ridicule that we're getting in the media, but to also have to lose your

job when all you were doing was just following, you know, the law and enforcing that, or providing statistics to help teachers do their jobs. >> well, that's how do you see this? and vaughn was talking about how shutting down the department. of education. specifically has been a talking point. >> and a. >> promise by republicans. >> for decades now. >> how do. >> you see this? >> no one wants to see anybody lose their job. but this is part of the president's commitment to. reducing the federal workforce and getting this bureaucracy under control. >> and vaughn. >> is exactly right. >> i know susan had a column. >> about this in usa today over the weekend as well, that it's been a republican promise for many years. but i would argue on this education point in particular. there are a lot of parents out there in the wake of covid who see this much differently. i mean, does anybody really a parent out there think that this education department has been working to their benefit, other than maybe randi weingarten and her, like, cabal of union heads? i mean,

this is the department where the unions got together during covid and at the behest of the biden education department, kept schools closed for much longer than they need to. and we've seen that impact on students throughout the country. i have seen it personally with friends who have students who are struggling with reading and writing, all because the teachers unions got together with the biden education department and said, let's keep these schools closed. so my guess is that there are a lot of parents across the country who are looking to see more local control and more local school boards taking action and handling the handling these issues at the local level, rather than having a big, bloated federal bureaucracy trying to call the shots from washington, d.c. >> so. >> lance, that. >> that those school closures on the recommendations were. >> also under. >> the trump education department. >> and these. >> the pell grants, the student. >> loans, the. >> the grants. >> those are all part. of the education department. >> and what it does and what it.

>> contributes to. >> the educational system. >> in our country. do you think there's. >> absolutely no downside. by eliminating. >> the department of education? >> well, i think the school closure started under the trump administration because covid started when folks didn't really know what was going on. the closures continued into the biden administration at the behest and argument of randi weingarten and her cabal of teachers unions. and the biden education department went part and parcel with it to go along. when it comes to dealing with this, the head of the department has said that these layoffs will not affect what's going on, and i suspect at some point, some of this stuff will be absorbed into other agencies as we move along. so again, i think there's a yearning and a want. if you look at elections and how they have taken place over the course of the last several years, we have seen parents who have stood up and said they are sick and tired of a federal government trying to impose many of the inside the beltway far left beliefs into their classrooms. and so, again, i think on this issue, while it

has been a republican point for many years, i think it has some bipartisan backing behind it. >> susan, as. >> as last mentioned, you point out in your new piece, he's achieving goals conservatives have been eyeing for decades. >> what makes. >> trump particularly effective at carrying out. the promises that republicans have been giving for decades? >> so congress created the education department in 1979, and since 1980, the republican platform has called for dismantling it, including president reagan. but the republicans have been unable to do that. and the reason that trump has been able to hollow out the department of education when they couldn't is that he's just gone ahead and done it. he's ignored complaints that it's illegal, that he that he doesn't have the authority to lay off half of the department. this these are complaints. that will be taken to court, i am sure, and decided over time. but in the meantime, the president has just used presidential

chutzpah to do what his predecessors wanted to do in some cases, but never achieved. >> and meanwhile. >> usaid employees were told to burn. or shred classified documents, according to an email obtained by nbc news. >> what's going. >> on there? >> right in this email from the executive secretary at usaid, i am told by an administration official it went out to three dozen officials at usaid. they were ordered to come into the old ronald reagan building here in washington, d.c, which had formerly been the usaid headquarters, and to shred the documents that were in these safes. and if the shredders were to stop working, to put them into burn bags to have those documents, some classified documents and personnel data be burned. now, there it's not clear to us how much was actually destroyed yesterday, but there was an emergency motion that was filed by

organizations that are currently litigating in court. the closure of usaid. and as part of that emergency motion, the two sides, the usaid, the trump administration agreed to put a pause late last night on further destruction of these documents. again, it's not clear how much they had already destroyed at that point in time, but this will be determined by the courts. the extent to which the plaintiffs, usaid, these organizations are concerned that there are records as it pertains to the significance of usaid in this administration. official who i talked to yesterday, i just want to point out says to me, quote, these are old documents. they are in complete compliance with the federal records act of 1950. everyone involved in this process had a secret clearance or higher and was approved by the bureau of documents that they were handling. but to note this now goes to the court. and of course, it is not ordinary procedure for federal agencies to be burning or shredding mass amounts of documents as a. >> vaughn haley or. >> julie ainsley, susan page and. >> lance trevor, thank you so

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they need to call it something else. >> 14 past the hour. now to breaking news in president trump's. trade war with america's top trading partners. just moments ago, canada announced it is imposing retaliatory tariffs on $21 billion worth of u.s. goods. canadian leaders had this. message for. >> the american people. >> canada is not. >> the one driving. >> up the. >> cost of your groceries, or of your gasoline, or any of your construction. canada is not the one putting your. >> jobs. >> at risk. canada is not the one that is ultimately starting this war. >> president trump's tariffs. >> against you. are causing that. and there are no winners in a trade war. >> this comes.

>> hours after. >> president trump's 25% tariff. >> on. all steel and. >> aluminum imports. >> into the u.s. >> took effect. also new. >> today, the european. >> union announced. >> its own retaliatory tariffs on $28. >> billion worth of u.s. goods. >> these new tariffs will take effect. >> at the beginning. >> of april. all of this as inflation. >> eased more than. >> expected in the u.s. in february. a new report today shows the consumer price index rose just 2/10. >> of a percent last month, with. >> prices rising 2.8%. >> year over year. >> with us now. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez at the g7. foreign ministers. >> meeting in canada and. >> nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans. so, gabe, good morning. what else did canada's officials have to say about these tariffs and how canada is reacting? >> hi there josie. good morning. well, the frigid temperatures here seem appropriate for the newly frosty relationship between these top trading partners and canadian officials.

just a short time ago, as you said, announced those retaliatory tariffs and has said essentially what the u.s. is doing with the trump administration is doing is unacceptable and that they will fight back. now, canadian officials are heading to washington tomorrow to speak with the commerce secretary to try and get these tariffs to be eased up. but this is turning out to be a full fledged trade war. and yesterday, josie, we spoke with some local businesses in a town several hours from here, drummondville. about 18% of the jobs in that town are linked to the u.s. we spoke with a metal processing plant that says that they have more than 100 employees in the town. some 3000 jobs could be at risk. and we spoke with one of the officials at that town's city hall about what's happening here. listen to what he had to say. >> this economic war is not benefiting anybody. we i mean, with the terrorists, 25% tariffs and now 50% that he's tweeted today. i understand there's issues in the us. i understand

the need to protect jobs in america. but a lot, of lot a lot of american companies are benefiting from our products and we benefit from your products. this is the economic. this is the way the economic market works. and so it's not it's not good for anyone. and both parties are losing here. >> and the 50% tariffs that that official mentioned josie that was backed off yesterday. the us backing off that 50% tariff after the premiere here in canada, stepped back from taxing energy to three us states. but all that uncertainty, josie, is really upsetting many of the officials here, and it's sure to be a topic to be discussed at the g7 foreign ministers meeting that secretary rubio is arriving here later today. >> josie and gabe, are there any concerns that the white house about all of this? >> well, listen publicly, josie, the trump administration is

sticking by its decision. we heard from secretary rubio earlier today on his way here saying that, look, different countries will look out for their national interests. and the united states does believe that by imposing these tariffs, it will eventually, even though there might be some short term pain when president trump hopes is that many of these jobs will stay in the u.s. and as he has repeatedly said, he believes that countries like canada have been taking advantage of the u.s. certainly many economists disagree. and here, many businesses here just simply can't understand why such a huge trading partner, a neighbor, a friend is going through with this. josie. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so very much. so, christine, you that have been so. >> wonderful in. >> helping me understand this whole issue of tariffs back and forth. who pays for it? how when they come. can you tell us now what this. new round will mean? what's it going to be? >> you know, what. >> are the implementation processes and what does.

>> this mean for us? >> well. >> we know this is just the latest round. >> in this, right. >> so we've heard from canada. china already has the retaliatory tariffs on u.s. egg products. we've heard from europe. >> whether it's motorcycles or. >> boats or bourbon. there will be retaliatory tariffs on those. >> and so that. >> hurts those. >> american producers. >> of those goods. it makes it more expensive. >> it makes them less. >> desirable to buy those items. >> so it's just really gave. >> us so right. >> this is. >> a full. >> fledged trade. >> war here. >> and tariffs are. >> seen as an act of. >> war, quite frankly. >> and when you. >> have. >> allies who are now. >> firing back. >> and forth. >> at each other. >> consumers pay higher. >> prices. and it really. >> leads to distrust and. >> kind. >> of the. >> wrong direction of relationships for allies and countries. >> and then, christine, what is the cpi number? tell us about the state of inflation in the us. it said it came in better than most expected. why and what does it mean? >> honestly. >> it's the only bit of. of not. >> bad news that american.

>> consumers and. >> the markets have had in a couple of weeks. so you have the. >> cpi. >> the consumer price index. this is consumer. >> inflation rose 0.2% from. january to february. >> that's less. than economists expected and year over year. >> so that means. >> your inflation rate. >> is 2.8%. again a little bit of improvement. still hotter. >> than normal. >> but going. >> in the right direction. >> but i will caution. >> you economists this morning have. >> been telling me there. >> are no tariffs yet in. >> this number here. >> so this. >> is. >> a rear view. mirror picture that showed. inflation might have been might have been getting a. >> little bit better. >> but when. you look. >> right out. >> the front. >> of the car, remember. more than half of the. >> car is. made out of metal. >> that metal just. >> got more expensive. and so. >> certainly that's. >> the first place we're. >> going to start to. see prices. >> rising. >> and. disruptions in the supply chains. >> christine romans, thank you so very much. appreciate it. up next with the kremlin. >> is saying this morning, after ukraine. >> agrees to a u.s. >> proposal for a. >> 30 day cease fire. >> and later, a critical. >> mission to. >> space launching. >> soon, two astronauts who've been stuck in. space for. nine

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>> you. >> guys, donald. >> trump is defending the mass firings of federal watchdogs. >> our federal government. now can. discriminate against the citizens of the country. >> we are all watching and waiting to see who is going to hold the line. don't miss the weekends. >> saturday, and sunday mornings at 8:00. >> on msnbc. stay up to date on the biggest issues of the day with the msnbc daily newsletter. get the best of msnbc all in one place. sign up for msnbc. daily@msnbc.com. >> 26 past the hour. >> right now. >> all eyes are. on whether russia will accept a 30 day cease fire that ukraine now says it will support after negotiating with the u.s. just hours ago, the kremlin said it is not ruling out a potential phone call between president.

trump and vladimir putin. earlier today, ukrainian president zelenskyy said the cease fire could be used to draft a broader peace deal. and secretary of state marco rubio says the u.s. will have contact with. >> russia today. >> we are. >> happy that. >> the ukrainians. >> have agreed. >> to do so. now it is up to russia to say yes. if russia says yes, that's very good news, and we. >> will begin that process. >> and do everything. >> we. >> can to move that. process forward. if they say no, then obviously we'll have to examine everything and sort of figure out where we stand in the world and what their true intentions are. i think it will be if they say no, it will tell us a lot about what their goals are. >> but even as the u.s. waits for moscow's response, russia launched a new wave of attacks, including three ballistic missiles and. >> more than 130. >> drones targeting. ukraine overnight, according to ukraine's air force. >> joining us now. >> from ukraine. >> is nbc's richard engel. richard. >> what are. >> folks there and officials telling you about what the possible path forward might look

like? >> so i just spoke. >> to the governor. here in the city of mykolaiv in southern ukraine. this is an area that is frequently attacked by russian forces not far from the. russian front line. and he said that a 30 day. >> ceasefire would. >> be extremely useful for the ukrainian military. >> that it. >> would give the soldiers an opportunity to get some leave that many of them have been fighting for three years straight. this would give them a chance to go home, see their families. he doesn't think on the russian side that they. >> would have that. >> same opportunity. he thinks that if and this is based on ukrainian intelligence, based. >> on interviews. >> with detainees, he thinks that if the russians. were also given a 30 day cease fire, a 30 day reprieve, that it's less. likely that soldiers. >> on that. >> side of the border would be allowed to go home, because some of them are north korean, others are conscripts, some are prisoners. and he thinks there's a real fear among russian troops

that they would have mass defections. >> so. >> they think, according to this governor. that a 30. >> day. >> ceasefire would benefit ukraine far more than it would benefit russia. >> he also. >> said that it flips the script. >> of. >> what we've been hearing recently about ukraine. >> after that disastrous. >> meeting. in the. >> oval office. >> we saw president trump attacking president zelensky, saying that he's not serious about peace, that he was playing. >> poker with. >> world war three. that what we've seen in saudi arabia. and again. president zelenskyy. >> affirmed it today and. >> explained what he signed to the ukrainian people in a press briefing. not not very long ago. we saw ukraine. accept this. 30 day cease fire. >> unilaterally, unconditionally. >> saying, let's do it and let's start the negotiations. if russia doesn't accept. >> it. then it would be russia on the back foot. >> russia accused of not being interested in peace. and it was, after all, russia that invaded this country.

>> and richard, there have been. >> increasing attacks against ukraine just in the last 48 hours. >> so that's another thing. >> i spoke. >> with this, this official. >> here, the governor, about. he said in the last since since the u.s. cut military support, also. >> stopped intelligence. >> sharing that. >> russia. >> in his estimate saw weakness, saw division, saw an opportunity because ukraine depends on american intelligence for both targeting targeting russian forces and for defense against drones and missiles. and when that when that relationship broke down, now it has been restored with this possible ceasefire deal that russia saw an opportunity that vladimir putin has been intensifying his attacks and is continuing to intensify them. now. >> richard engel, i thank you very much, my friend. really appreciate it. and joining. >> us now. >> is ned price. former spokesperson and senior official at both the state department and

cia. he's also. >> former. >> special assistant to president obama. ned, it's great seeing you. i thank you for your time. i want to get your reaction first to what's been going on and what happened in saudi arabia. the ukrainian agreement to unilaterally go into a cease fire. >> well. >> jose, i think richard put it well. this is a positive step. it's a positive first step, in large part because it does flip the script. it script. it puts the. onus on the russians for. >> once. >> during this. >> administration. >> which is. >> a good thing. >> but again. >> this. >> is only. >> a. >> first step. and i mean that in. two ways. >> in the first. >> instance. >> of course, president putin. >> and the russians ultimately. >> have to accede to this proposal. >> and i. >> think there are reasons to doubt that they will succeed outright. but second of all, i think we need to think about this solely as an interim deal. >> and i say that because. >> a frozen conflict. >> essentially freezing. >> the front lines. is not. >> the ultimate basis for a just

peace. >> neither a just nor. >> durable peace. >> and a just peace. >> in order. >> for a peace to be just, it needs. >> to make. >> a clear distinction between. victim and aggressor. it needs to make a clear distinction, in this case, between the russians that. >> precipitated this. >> aggression and. invasion in. >> the first. >> instance. >> and the ukrainians. >> whose country has been. >> destroyed. >> whose economy. >> is in tatters, whose. >> children have. >> been kidnaped. now, if this interim 30 day ceasefire can be built. upon by the parties and by the parties, i mean the ukrainians, the russians, the europeans. >> and the. >> americans, in order to look like. >> something that more. >> closely resembles a just peace, that ultimately will be a good thing. i think there are reasons to doubt we will see that, many of which will ultimately. emanate from moscow. >> you know? and yet. >> the fact. >> that we are seeing what is for the first time since the russians invaded ukraine, some

possible movement, i mean, just the fact that that ukraine is interested in maybe a cease fire, this whole joint venture with the united states that seems to be on hold. yes. no, we don't know what that situation is like, but but the fact that there. >> is this. >> movement, does. >> it give. >> you does. >> it not give you hope? >> look it does, jose. >> i think. >> certainly this is a. >> good thing. >> and. >> certainly it will. >> be a better thing. >> if it can be built. >> upon as the. >> basis for a. >> just and. >> durable peace. now the ball moves to moscow, and i. >> think my. >> skepticism is really. borne of what i expect we will see from moscow. >> look. >> jose, i think it's. >> it's quite. >> unlikely that we will hear an outright no or not yet. >> from vladimir putin. >> and i say that because putin recognizes that he has a very good thing going with president trump. >> in.

>> this white house. the thing he worked to ultimately achieve in 2016 and. and to varying degrees in 2020 and 2024. and he. >> doesn't want to. >> squander that entirely. i expect. >> we'll hear something more like a yes, but from the kremlin. and as always, the devil is going to be in the details. i think we need to be. >> on the. >> lookout for the kremlin to say, essentially, we'll accede to this deal, but only if x, y, and z. >> and i. >> think in that. >> case. >> we need. >> to remember that the white house certainly didn't give any incentives to ukraine to agree to this, to agree to this proposal. quite to the. >> contrary. >> they actually put pressure on ukraine. and i think we need to be very wary of this white house's, i think, eagerness potentially give incentives to moscow to agree to this. the deal should be what's on the table for russia to agree to or to reject. i certainly hope they agree to it. i fear, however they might do otherwise. >> yeah. and you know, if

history is a prolog, i think. >> that. >> incentives or lack. >> of them. >> in starting in 2014 with how russia acted. in in ukraine, hopefully will not be an impediment to the future net price. it's great seeing you. i really appreciate your time. good to see you. >> good to. >> see you. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> a live look right now outside the federal courthouse. >> in new. >> york city. that's a photo. but we do have live pictures of a federal courthouse in new york city, where a hearing is underway for a student activist detained by ice. at question, can the federal government deport him if he's a. >> green card holder? >> you're watching jose >> you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. mopping is hard work, but then i tried the swiffer powermop. it has a built-in solution that breaks down dirt on contact. plus, it's 360-degree swivel head cleans up along baseboards and even behind the toilet. bye, bye bucket. with the swiffer powermop. for

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taken to an. immigration detention center in louisiana. he has not been charged with any crime. earlier today, secretary of state marco rubio said this about the case. >> this is not about free speech. this is about people that don't have. a right to be in the united states to begin with. >> no one. >> has a right. >> to a student visa. >> no one has a right to. a green card, by the way. >> but i think. >> being a supporter of hamas. >> and coming. >> into our universities and turning them upside down and being complicit in what are clearly crimes of vandalization, complicit in shutting down learning institutions. >> with us now is emily ikeda, outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. also with us, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubens. emily, what's expected to happen at this hearing today. >> that our safety. >> hey there. jose. >> well. >> that. hearing already underway in a packed courtroom as we learn details from our producer inside this federal courthouse. >> playing out. >> starting at 1130. >> the judge warning the packed courtroom that if there. >> were any disruptions. >> if there. >> are any disruptions. >> people will be tossed out.

>> we know. >> from a joint letter filed yesterday that. >> the trump administration. >> does. >> not want. khalil to. >> be transferred. >> back here. >> to. >> new york. >> he's currently. detained in louisiana. teeing up today's courtroom showdown. >> now. >> the judge says today will largely be procedural, but. >> we're waiting to. >> see if we'll get any insight. >> any information. >> around what. >> led up to his arrest at the university. >> owned housing. >> over the. >> weekend in front of his wife. >> who. >> is a u.s. citizen and eight months pregnant. >> you might be able. >> to. >> hear behind me. >> some of the chanting. >> going on. that's because right. >> across the street. >> from where i'm standing. >> there are. >> dozens of pro-palestinian protesters calling. >> for mahmoud khalil's release. as we've seen over the. >> past couple of days, we know from the nypd about. >> a dozen or so protesters were taken into. custody yesterday. i've heard there are. >> some counter. protesters as well. >> but for now, things. >> seem. >> peaceful with a huge police presence on the ground here. where? >> so, lisa, let's talk about the legal aspects of this. what does the government have to

prove to deport a green card holder? >> well, jose, let's start from the understanding that deporting a green card holder is highly unusual in the first instance. but if you look at a document that's been posted to the department of justice's website, it's a guide for people practicing immigration law. what it says is that the department of homeland security has a burden of proving by clear and convincing evidence. and i'm reading to you from this document that the secretary of state has made a facially reasonable and determination that mr. khalil's presence or activities in the united states would have. and here's the core phrase potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the united states. it wouldn't be enough in that instance to say, for example, that broad support for hamas is potentially serious and adverse to the foreign policy interests of this state. they'll have to show that mr. khalil, in and of himself, poses a potentially serious threat to

the foreign policy interests of this state. and most importantly, they're going to have to point to a determination that's been made by secretary of state marco rubio. it's not enough for him to just say and snap his fingers. i've made that determination presumptively there is some document, a memo or a letter that that secretary of state rubio has signed detailing the reasons that he's made this determination. and perhaps at today's hearing in front of judge furman in manhattan, we'll get to hear about that document. jose. >> you know, lisa, i'm reminded of during the 66 years of this cuban dictatorship, many of the people that came out of cuba and tried and had political asylum here in the united states. one of the questions they were asked repeatedly by u.s. officials was, have you ever been a member of or even associated with the cuban communist party? that was grounds in and of itself for people to lose their residency

if they had it or not, given their residency, if they were in the process of doing that. is that in other words, there's case study on this. >> you know, jose, that's not an example that i'm personally familiar with in terms of an analog to what we're facing now. but you are right to say that the same standards for deportability of a green card holder apply also to whether or not somebody can even come into the country in the first place. right now, what we're really focused on is seeing what that determination is by the secretary of state. people have been asking for the last several days if this is an immigration matter, what does marco rubio have to do with this? the reason marco rubio is involved is because it's up to the secretary of state to make that determination in the first instance as to whether a particular alien and that's anybody without citizenship, even a green card holder, has a potentially adverse and serious effect on the foreign policy consequences for this country. that's really what i'm focused on right now. to what extent his

lawyers will make that analogy that you just made, i'll be interested in seeing in the days and weeks ahead. >> lisa ruben and emily keta, thank you both so very much. up next, two astronauts that have been in space. for some time. i mean, they were supposed to go for two weeks, ended up being there for nine months and counting. they're getting ready to make their way home. >> we'll talk. >> about. >> about. >> that next. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! hellofresh. they're light on prep, low on mess, and barely prep, low on mess, and barely lift a finger. easy. hellofresh with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong.

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really finding themselves in a position where they're stuck. their base wants them to fight. they want them to essentially shut the government down, because this is the only way they can protest in their eyes, what the trump administration is doing. remember, they didn't really have a seat at the table in crafting this interim spending bill. they take issue with that. they also take issue with some of the actions that elon musk and trump and doge have been taking and laying off federal workers and trying to do future clawbacks of spending that congress of the money that congress already appropriated. but that being said, democrats have historically, at least through the last decade, been the party against shutdowns. and that is why now, if they vote to shut the government down, which effectively they would be doing, since republicans do have the votes in the senate to pass it, they need at least eight democrats to get on board to reach that 60 vote threshold. they're going to face heat for that, too, because nobody succeeds. nobody wins in a government shutdown. and they know that one democrat that already said that he would commit to voting yes on this interim funding bill is senator

fetterman of pennsylvania. he spoke to our colleague stephanie ruhle last night. i want you to take a listen to his reasoning here. >> we don't agree with what's been sent to us. but, you know, if we withhold our votes, that is going to shut the government down. and i think that's one of our core responsibilities in the senate or in the government here to not ever let allow the government to shut dow >> all right. that's one democrat. but if we're doing math, they need seven more. senator rand paul on the republican side, who never votes for these bills, already said he's a no. democrats are going to meet for lunch in the next 40 minutes and have a very serious discussion about the path forward here. jose. >> julie sirkin, thank you very much. today marks the beginning of the journey home for two astronauts who have unexpectedly been on the international space station for nine months. four astronauts are set to launch on a spacex rocket this evening to relieve the current iss crew. butch wilmore and suni williams

are then expected to catch a ride back home. they were only supposed to be there for about a week or so in june, but the boeing capsule that brought them there experienced several problems, so nasa opted to keep them in orbit. with us now retired astronaut and former international space station commander leroy chiao leroy, it's great to see you. appreciate your time. so what is it that this mission is going to look like? leroy. >> yes. so hopefully this evening we'll see a launch of a spacex dragon capsule on a falcon nine rocket taking the crew ten flight to the es. now, this is the crew that's going to replace the crew that's up there. which of which butch and sunny are now members. since they got they got stuck up there. and so then they will after a week or so of handover, that crew will get in their dragon spacecraft and come back to earth. so it's pretty much a rotation is a crew rotation. you know, it's not that butch and sunny couldn't have come home earlier. it's just that this way

we have a new crew up there to take over the work that they've been doing. they and the rest of their other two crewmates. so with all, everything goes well and there's every reason to believe it will. sounds like everything is proceeding smoothly. the launch will happen tonight. and then tomorrow morning, the new spacecraft will dock to the iss. and, you know, then that will allow them to complete the rotation in about a week or so. >> and so, leroy, why the weekend is that? i mean, it's a standard process. but why the week? what happens during that week? >> sure. during that handover week, of course, all the crews are very well trained, but the new crew going up to the station may have crew members that have never been aboard the station before. and even though they've been well trained, it's nice to have the crew that's departing kind of take them through and show them things and give them a little few tips here and there. tricks of how to operate aboard the station and just a handover period. very informal to, you know, just point things out and make the transition smoother.

>> hey, so i'm really looking forward to your thoughts on on what these two astronauts probably have experienced for nine months, but but take us to the isthe what? how do you describe it? what are the things that you think about when you think about the isthe. >> well the isthe is really big inside and it's even bigger than when i was there. we were still building it when i was there. hadn't put all the modules on yet, but it was surprisingly large even compared to the space shuttle. of course, the space shuttle, you know, was was more confined and the whole vehicle came back. but it's a pretty spacious it's a very capable laboratory. and you know what? it's flying a long duration mission is, is really rewarding. it's very different than the short shuttle missions we used to do. and so six and a half months in space was a long time. these guys have been up there for nine months. so that's longer than most long duration flights. it's not the longest, but it's right in there. but you can bet that they're eager to come back. >> and so what are those nine months, the impact on those nine months when they come back?

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