1-800-355-9395. >> or. >> visit homeserve. >> com. >> noon eastern, 9 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. good day to you. at this hour, president trump is meeting at the white house with the leader of ireland before they head to capitol hill

for the annual saint patrick's day lunch. these are images just moments ago of his arrival to the white house. there's more on the menu today. besides all kinds of friendly relations, president is facing a full plate of trade war escalation, with the tariff du jour changing by the hour. now, the president trump's 25% export tax is in effect on all steel and aluminum. coming to the us. retaliations have begun. canada announced an additional $21 billion in tariffs on u.s. goods starting at midnight tonight. canada's finance minister says they're taking a dollar for dollar approach, warning more could be on the horizon. >> we will. >> do what we must do to protect. >> canada's economy. we will not. >> stand idly by while our. >> iconic steel and aluminum. >> industries are being unfairly targeted. >> it comes after ontario repealed its surcharge on electricity sold to the us on

tuesday, prompting the president to back off his threat to double the steel and aluminum tariff on canada. hours after that was announced, the european union, which includes ireland, washington's guest of the day, is also fighting back with $28 billion in planned tariffs on american goods. other u.s. trading partners, including china, japan and south korea, are mulling countermeasures but have not gone as far as europe as of yet. the president's trip to capitol hill this hour also marks a legislative victory. the republican led house passed a short term spending deal tuesday to keep the government running. it now moves to the senate, where those cuts could play a major role in the bill's final passage. those cuts include nearly half of the department of education, as the trump administration makes good on its pledge to gut the agency entirely. all this, in addition to this morning's mixed inflation report, which is moving the markets right now, it's you can see it's down about 110, 113 points. we begin with

nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. neil irwin, chief economic correspondent at axios and reuters white house correspondent jeff mason. so vaughn, canadian ministers are coming to d.c. this is going to secure some relief from the u.s. tariffs. but but this is so volatile right now, right. >> in the extent to which relief is coming as a result of this meeting is even questionable at that. we believe, according to premier doug ford, that the steel and aluminum tariffs are set to remain at just 25%, not double to 50%, as president trump had repeatedly indicated. but as part of this effective stand down, at least on that front, they agreed to have this meeting here in washington, d.c, with commerce secretary tomorrow. now, notably, this does not include prime minister mark carney. this is instead including the finance minister, as well as premier doug ford and

other canadian officials. and they notably also are saying that they are not looking to renegotiate the usmca trade agreement that was struck between mexico, canada and the u.s. back in 2018, as was suggested by howard lutnick and by doug ford just yesterday. and instead, they're going to be looking for off ramps. but where this relationship has gone, dating back to november after president trump's election victory and justin trudeau flying down to have dinner with him and lutnick at the mar-a-lago club, it's really taking a posture in which we saw trudeau and other foreign leaders try to cozy up with president and allowed him publicly, and said that they were eager to work with him to appoint here in march of 2025. when you have the finance minister saying, quote, if you're racing to the basement, there's no real prize for the first person to get to the basement, making it clear that canada will stand firm and will not cede any ground in this

tariff battle to the americans until they stand down on tariffs, saying that they have been unwarranted attacks on canadians and that they did nothing to bring these attacks on them. >> and so, jeff, how do you explain this? i mean, you know, the usmca, which was negotiated by trump during his first term and his conversations with claudia sheinbaum that have at least delayed for some time these tariff wars between mexico and the united states. but why is the president so focused on canada? >> yeah. >> i think it's a great question. >> josie, and. >> i'm glad both you and vaughn have mentioned the usmca. the irony of his focus on canada is, pardon me. as vaughn rightly said, the fact that the president and his administration during his first term. negotiated the usmca and rewrote trade rules. post nafta for north america. and so the fact that he has come in and kind of

essentially thrown those. out the window and even suggested, apparently, the commerce secretary suggesting that they should renegotiate that is not. >> really. >> taking into account the fact that they laid the rules down or agreed on these rules the last time he was in office. to your broad question of why canada? i just i. >> think. >> you have to put it into the lens of the. >> politics. >> of grievance, which basically affects president trump's view of the world. and it's the paradigm that he applies to everything from his opponents. here in the united states and the democratic party. >> to his. >> counterparts abroad. and he looks at canada. >> and he sees some of. >> the tariffs that he. has cited that canada puts on u.s. goods and feels that the u.s. is being treated unfairly. and so trade talks and trade agreements aside, he's he's sticking to his tariffs. that's his magic word. and he's applying it to friends and foes alike. >> but but there's an issue of

course of reciprocal tariffs. right. but then there's the issue of unilateral tariffs. and i don't know if this is part of which part is this of, you know. >> well there are more reciprocal. >> tariffs coming. the date for. >> that or the deadline. >> for that is next month. and so i would say that these probably fall into the category of unilateral tariffs. but of course they're sparking retaliation from the countries that he's applying them to, including the group of countries that is the european union. the european union is a up just like canada. and despite our work together, or the work between the eu and the united states together in foreign groups like the g7 and of course, the big grouping of european countries with the with the united states and nato, that, again, is set aside for

the politics of grievance and economic grievance in this case that the president sees from from our allies and is sparking these tariffs and this trade war. >> and then, of course, there's the question of the ultimate impact that all of this is going to have on the u.s. economy. the president kind of changing his tune a little bit after refusing to rule out a recession this weekend. listen to what he told reporters tuesday outside the white house. >> do you think there will be a recession? >> i don't see it at all. >> i think this country is going to boom. >> neil, you have exclusive reporting of a survey that shows top ceos are becoming more wary on their growth outlook. what are you seeing? >> yeah, i think what i've heard a lot of from from corporate executives, from economists, is this sense that it's not just the tariffs themselves that that create an issue. if it was just a one time, you know, raise tariffs on canada or mexico. companies can adjust. they can change their pricing. they can take a hit to their margins. the

stock market goes down a little bit. maybe consumer prices go up a little bit. whatever the situation may be. what we have is not a one time shift in tariffs. we have a kind of chaotic environment where they're on they're off. they're they're big, they're small. they're on this country, that country. the rationale seems to change day to day. is this about fentanyl? is this about raising revenue for the us government? is this about restructuring the entire balance of trade and the structure of the global economy, and the fact that these these rationales, these tactical choices seem to be made, you know, within a single day in a kind of erratic manner, is making it really hard to plan, really hard to know how you want your supply chain to work should you build a new factory right now? i think until some of this settles out and enters a more stable period, it's going to be really hard for corporate decision makers to want to take that plunge on capital spending, on hiring, on all the things that create prosperity. and that's why we've seen the stock market wobble the way it has over the last couple of weeks. >> so, neil, what's more important for ceos and small business, medium and even large businesses when they're having to deal with the repercussions of new tariffs? is it the

rationale behind the new tariffs, or is it the fact that there are new tariffs and new tariffs and then new tariffs? >> well, the reason the rationale matters is because that determines whether these are permanent or temporary, right. this is just about tactical maneuvering and getting concessions. then you expect a new tariff is going to go away after a couple of months. once there's a deal, if this is about restructuring the entire global economy, if it's about, you know, raising permanent revenue for the government, then that implies these tariffs are in place for a long time. that decision, that choice could have a big implication for where you build a factory or anything like that. so that's why this this matters. and you know, the thing to remember the numbers we're talking about, you know, we those of us in the media covered the previous trump administration, 2018, 2019. we were a little breathless. a lot of tariffs. and yet inflation didn't really go up. the stock market wobbled a little bit was fine. these are an order of magnitude larger than what we saw in 2018 2019. in terms of what is being threatened, not what's been implemented so far. so if these do go into effect, they are large enough that we'll

see it. we'll see it in prices, we'll see it in growth. and that's why some of the trump administration officials have seemed a little less willing to go out on a limb and say, oh, it'll all be fine. there will be no pain at all. >> vaughn hillyard, neil irwin, and jeff mason, thank you so very much. let's head to the hill now. and democratic congresswoman veronica escobar of texas. congressman, it's always a treat to see you. i thank you for your time. i know that your district, of course, includes el paso. the city alone handles about $98 billion in annual cross-border trade. how are you seeing this? >> thanks. it's so great to see you, jose. what's important for the american people to understand is that tariffs are a tax. they're a tax on their their goods. and what they go to the grocery store to buy. and so as these tariffs ramp up and as there's this erratic, chaotic approach to them, we're not going to see any easing of economic pain, which is what

donald trump promised american voters that that he would lower costs on day one. but instead we're going to see the opposite. we're going to see prices go up. and in districts like mine, you mentioned the amount of trade that goes through el paso. a quarter of our jobs in el paso are dependent on that cross border trade. and that relationship with mexico. we are dealing with incredible uncertainty, higher prices. it makes businesses reluctant to make investments. they're unable to plan ahead. and it really does threaten not just our local economy. it will threaten the state of texas economy and the national economy, ultimately. >> and congresswoman, and by the way, just some of the cross border trade that one sees in el paso is like some of the best stuff. i got to tell you, just just the that, that trade and that and that familiarity, you know, that exists in across the

border area. but one of the issues that i know that you've been very focused on over the last couple of years has been the impact of migration to your area, and certainly others in the country that has changed the fact that president trump has just recently said that after conversations with claudia sheinbaum, the president of mexico, he's holding back on some tariffs. do you see there any possibility of progress? >> well, i'll tell you what i'm seeing. absolutely. you're right. in terms of migration, the numbers are significantly lower. and we know that began under the prior administration. and mexico was a big part of that and remains a big part of that drop in those numbers. but what we're seeing in my district that is really, really alarming is the use of military resources

for donald trump's mass deportation plans. and it's bad for a number of reasons. you know, we've seen, for example, fort bliss, which is a premier military installation, necessary, vital key to our national defense. we're seeing the use of c-17s for deportation flights instead of the commercial flights that are that cost taxpayers a whole lot less. we're taking military assets and using them for nonmilitary purposes, and we are urging the administration not to use fort bliss and other military installations for deportation camps, which impacts our military readiness, creates a real lack of transparency. just it is bad all the way around. and so we, you know, while, yes, border apprehensions are down, the mass deportation efforts, particularly in my district with the use of military assets is

very alarming. >> i mean, congresswoman, it's striking to see the numbers. i mean, when we're talking about the last couple of months of the biden administration, 20 to 30,000 people encountered over the border. and really, right now it's virtually none. however, maybe the use of military assets has been part of the reason why those numbers have dropped so, so drastically. but then the question is the deportation and how the deportation is being carried ou. that can create in many communities. and i'm thinking of the millions of mixed immigration status families that that work and live in our country. it's causing a sense of fear that maybe could be mitigated if things were clearer. >> well, it's and frankly, i understand the fear. i don't know if you saw the story, but

in my one of my colleagues districts here in virginia, a us citizen was stopped at gunpoint by ice. u.s. citizen, but latino. and he was questioned and his citizenship was questioned. and he tried his best to show his id so that they would understand he was a u.s. citizen. and in the interviews he that that he gave to local virginia press, he he identified himself as a trump supporter and a trump voter and was shocked that he, a u.s. citizen, had been racially profiled as part of this mass deportation effort. in my own district, a local small business owner. an ice agent went in and, you know, in an attempt to question the citizenship of people in his place of business. and so the indiscriminate nature of many of these enforcement efforts, as part of the mass deportation,

it's this is about everybody. it's not just about mixed status families. it's not just about the undocumented. there's racial profiling that's happening in our country as a result of this. and it should shock no one that that instills fear in a lot of latino communities. >> garcia and veronica escobar, it's always a pleasure to see you. i look forward to visiting with you in the el paso area very soon. i thank you for being with us. thank you. coming up, calling on the kremlin. ukraine agrees to a us backed ceasefire deal. but will vladimir putin sign on to the terms? we're back sign on to the terms? we're back in so right when i thought mom'd start takin' it easy with her osteoporosis, boom- we moved to this cool new place in the city! if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture, evenity® can help you rapidly build new bone in just 12 months. evenity® is the only bone builder that also helps slow bone loss. and it's proven to significantly reduce

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of negotiating an enduring end to the war. they're probably processing the news the same as the rest of the world. and so we hope to have a positive answer from them. the ball is truly in their court. >> this, as president trump says he will speak to russian president vladimir putin soon. and presidential envoy steve witkoff is expected in moscow this week. joining us now, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and chief washington correspondent andrea mitchell, who is still and will forever be andrea mitchell reports. also with us is andrea kendall taylor, a senior fellow and director of the transatlantic security program at the center for a new american security. she is the former deputy national intelligence officer for russia and eurasia at the national intelligence council. andrea mitchell will russia come to the negotiating table? do you think. >> that is such a big question? jose, it's great to be with you. great to be with andrea. likewise, who might have more insight into that in her role as a former intelligence officer? because we don't know what putin

is going to do. we know that witkoff is going to go. we expect there will be a call between the president and president putin shortly, if not today, tomorrow. maybe he'll wait to see what signals they get. so far, the signal from the foreign minister, from lavrov, his press secretary today was not that positive, but they want to see what is presented to them. and truly, as secretary rubio said, the ball is now in russia's court. so zelensky has at least regained some leverage after these talks in jeddah, saudi arabia, and has accepted the us proposal for a 30 day ceasefire. and importantly, rubio did include in his in his briefing today that there should be some security guarantees. so that's something that was, of course, very important for zelensky. perhaps he overplayed his hand in the oval office. perhaps he was sandbagged and ambushed by the vice president. in any case, he felt that he had to defend ukraine as the victim,

not the aggressor here and there, need of security and there need to get the children back. some 20,000 children have been kidnaped and given new identities in russia and taken from ukraine and lost their, their, their families, their whole nationality. so he's now got some leverage by having accepted the us proposal. and now it is really up to russia. putin could accept it on the face of it and then try to cheat around the edges. it remains to be seen how much security guarantees ukraine ever gets out of this deal. if this deal holds up. >> yeah. i mean, andrea kendall taylor, russia has to be seeing this from a far different perspective, obviously, than the united states and ukraine is who has strength, who doesn't. it's interesting to me, and i want your thoughts on this. how where these conversations were being carried out in saudi arabia, not in in europe. is there a new axis of influence or axis of influence? and his europe pretty

much been relegated to, to be to watching what may or may not be going on? >> well, one of the reasons that they're in saudi arabia is because the us and russia always meet in a neutral country, and for the longest time that used to be in stockholm or helsinki. but as we now know, as a result of russia's invasion of ukraine, those countries have given up their neutrality and joined the nato alliance. so the number of cities and places that the us and russia can meet has rapidly been shrinking. but the europeans, i think, are making their best effort to remain relevant in this. the overwhelming response to the announcement of the ceasefire in saudi arabia from the europeans was positive. and they are engaged in a very proactive series of meetings and diplomacy amongst themselves, making major

announcements, ramping up their defense, most recently announcing an $800 billion increase in defense spending. so i think europe is doing all it can to ensure that it remains relevant. and as andrea mitchell said, the security guarantee peace is going to be critical and the europeans expect and understand that they will have to play a major role in securing ukraine's peace in the future. so they really do have quite a bit of leverage. i would say moving forward in that role as a security guarantor and ensuring that russia cannot renew the hostility again. >> now. andrea mitchell i mean, i've just been rereading roger fisher's international relations for beginners, where he talks, among other things, about the carrot and the stick and the importance of being a trusted partner, or at least a partner that can see both sides. what andrew mitchell is wyckoff's

role in all of this? >> well, some would say that he's playing the role of secretary of state for this very important meeting in russia. of course, marco rubio is on his way to a g7 meeting and said that a good outcome would be for the g7 to congratulate the us for its leadership here. and it is true that the us proposed a 30 day ceasefire. no one had proposed that and gotten as far as they've gotten, at least in one side. but the difference here is in having to find a neutral player. the us is not really a neutral player. rubio and walls, mike walls, the national security adviser, were apparently very neutral and even handed in the way they handled zelensky's envoys and the ukrainian delegation in jeddah. but what donald trump has indicated in just the last 24 hours, in all of his comments, is that he trusts russia more than he trusts ukraine. and so he has been so one sided in all of this, as has jd vance, that

it's hard to see how ukraine can get a fair shot with any negotiation that takes place between the us and russia. >> and andrea kendall taylor so what happens if russia decides to simply say, i'm not going to do it? i'm not interested in this aspect. what happens then? >> well, so far, the administration, the trump administration has largely sidestepped that question, kind of making vague threats about that. they will have to pay significant price for that. as of right now, the only real leverage that i can see this administration having, given their predisposition and views on ukraine, is that they could increase sanctions on russia. but as we all know, that's not something that's likely to grab putin's attention or something that he's likely to weigh heavily in his calculus. so it remains to be seen. i guess my sense is that they will be more

likely the russians to sign the ceasefire. and then, as andrea mitchell said, look for opportunities to use it to their own political gain. i think it's highly plausible that they would sign a ceasefire, only to violate it and to blame ukraine. and then the risk is that the trump administration takes russia's word for that and uses it as pretext to reduce our aid and intelligence again, or walk away more completely. i think the other thing the russians do is to try to turn the tables, sign the ceasefire, stick to their maximalist objectives, and again frame ukraine as the one who's intransigent and doesn't want peace. so it's going to be a tricky picture. but to me, i think putin has more to gain from signing the ceasefire and then turning things to his advantage. >> andrew kendall taylor, thank you. andrea mitchell the reporter of reporters. thank you very much. it's so great seeing

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senate will now have to take it up as well. but republicans need democratic votes in the senate. 60 votes are needed there to bypass a filibuster would avoid a costly shutdown at a time when the markets are already taking a major hit over the president's tariffs. nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles is with us this morning. ryan. good morning. so how big a victory is this for speaker johnson. and then what now happens in the senate. yeah. >> well, on your first question, jose, this was a massive victory for speaker mike johnson because in many ways, what he did here was call the democrats bluff when it comes to this spending plan. they have for weeks been daring him to pass a continuing resolution or some sort of extension of government funding with only republican votes, thinking that that would be impossible for him to do because there is a gaggle of conservative republicans that never vote for this type of legislation. and with donald trump's help, and to be clear, donald trump played a big role in this process. johnson was able to secure their votes and

pass this bill. so now it is squarely on the democrats to decide whether or not they are going to stand up to donald trump and stand up to senate republicans and withhold the votes that are necessary in order to get this legislation passed and avoid a government shutdown. i've spent the morning talking to as many senate democrats as i can. i just got done talking to about 6 or 7 of them, and they are clearly vexed by this decision. they call it a dilemma. they're essentially two bad options that they see in front of them. either they capitulate and sign this into law. don't stand up to donald trump. and they view that this continuing resolution is not a clean, continuing resolution, that it has a lot of problems associated with it, or they vote no and the government shuts down. remember, it requires eight democratic votes in order to pass this legislation here in the senate. jose. >> so, ryan, is there any feeling do you get a sense that maybe the senate doesn't feel that there's going to be any

progress to avoid a shutdown by friday? we're talking two days. >> yeah, i think that right now democrats have not decided which path that they want to take, whether or not they want to take the political risk that would be associated with a government shutdown. they're going to have a lunch here in the next few minutes where they're going to hash this all out behind closed doors and at least attempt to come up with some sort of unified front. but right now, it remains an open question. and as a result, a shutdown remains a real possibility. jose. >> ryan nobles, thank you very much, my friend. always a pleasure to see you. and joining me now is democratic congressman josh gottheimer of new jersey. he is the vice chair of the problem solvers caucus and serves on the intelligence committee. congressman, it is a treat to see you as well. i thank you for your time. i know you voted against that temporary the that cr in the house yesterday. why? >> i mean, for the reasons you've heard a lot of people say, which is when you look at the what it would give the president the ability to do to mess with social security. mess

with medicaid, hurt, hurt medicare. and a lot of our seniors, our veterans, our children. you just this to me, is completely unacceptable. >> and i. >> think, frankly, the debate should go to a different place. >> what we should do is put up, and i think there's. >> a false. >> choice out there, actually put up a third option with which many people have been pushing, which is a short term extension through april so that both sides can keep negotiating. i'm somebody who really believes you can solve problems when you actually sit at the table and talk to one another. as you know, this administration has not reached out their hand to the democrats at all in these discussions. finally, in the last in the last days, there's beginning to have these discussions, and i think we should give the parties the time to sit down at the table and work this out. >> but why do you think that 30 more days than the 30 days we're just through was going to make any difference? >> because i've been involved in

a lot of these negotiations over these years. and, you know, these things tend to happen, as, you know, when the clock is ticking. and i think giving everyone a few more days to actually get into it. we know what the issues are. we know what people's concerns are. and let's come up with an agreement together. you know, i mean, i think just jamming the country and then gutting social security, medicare and medicaid, hurting our veterans and our children and sticking it to our seniors is totally unacceptable. and at the same time, you know, this administration will be under a tremendous amount of pressure given their tariff policy, what's going on with people's 401 k's and their savings and the chaos that's continuing to come out of washington. and i think you're seeing the president's numbers go down and people's anxieties around the country go up. so i think there's a backdrop that's changed in terms of what where this administration is negotiating under. and people don't like the chaos. they want some certainty. and i think giving people a few more days to sit at the table and give us until the end of april, which is easy to do. that's the best answer here. >> and so what what would that

process look like before friday at midnight? and then what do you think the process will look like if there is a shutdown friday at midnight? >> well, i think what you do is the senate passes a short term extension of current spending levels. so you're not putting all these other key programs like medicare, medicaid and social security at risk. and then you call us back this week and we'll we'll have to go back to washington and vote for it and get it done. and i think that's the best outcome. so to me, you know, i'm not i know people are going back and forth on this, but i've talked to some of my colleagues and many of us think that's the right answer here. >> and, congressman, i know an issue that you've been working very closely on. you and a republican colleague are warning about china's this deep seek ai app. you're worried about a whole series of things you want to ban from government devices and more. what's your what's your read on that? >> well, you know, it's the number one downloaded app right now on apple. we know it's a it's it has full control as as

as most companies do in apps do by the chinese communist party, by the chinese government. and you have a lot of people in the united states who are using this ai engine to search and to upload documents and get information and share information. and we already caught and this was all public caught. the chinese government and other parties putting code into deep sync to be able to capture information from americans. and that's totally unacceptable. it puts our national security at risk. it puts people's privacy at risk. so we just wanted to make sure we sounded the alarm from a government perspective. darren lahood and i and said, hey, you shouldn't be able to download this app on any government computer. we've also now written to governors in every state and asked them to do the same in their state governments. we've heard back from six so far who have said they're banning it in their state on their government devices. so that's that's the right move. we've got to be very vigilant here, especially when you're dealing with our number one adversary who has one objective, which is to undermine our democracy and our freedom to steal our ip and capture

information on on our families. >> congressman, if you were to someone who is not as well versed on technology as you probably are, but how is something like this just allowed? i mean, if it is from the chinese government, the regime that has the most disastrous human rights record, you know, among the countries on earth, and then there's a creation of this, you know, shadow company that says, oh, no, we're not. how is this stuff, like, not front and center on people's interest and concerns? >> well, that's exactly why i'm here and why we're pushing for this, to let people know what's going on, like we did with tiktok. you know, many of us who said tiktok should be sold or banned. and as you know, this current administration keeps flip flopping on that as well, because we know that if you to your point on human rights, if

you search for tiananmen square on on tiktok, you get positive news, right? not the truth. there's a lot of anti-american sentiment on all these platforms, anti-democratic sentiment. so hate filled speech that spews out all over these pages and sites. and so, you know, when it comes to deep seek, it's the same concerns. it's capturing data of americans, capturing information of whoever is using it. so if you have somebody in government using it or frankly, any, any individual citizen or a small business, we know the impact this can have. it's very dangerous, which is why we're sounding the alarm on this. and this is not the place, you know, and we're encouraging people to be very aware this is not the place to go to search when it comes to ai. >> and, congressman, i very much appreciate that and so much more. i appreciate your time as well. thank you for being. >> thanks for having me. good to see you. >> next, new developments. and there are many new developments in the case of a student activist under threat of deportation. how the outcome of

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facility in louisiana, where he faces threats of deportation despite being a green card holder. his legal team is pushing for him to be returned to new york. >> every day that mahmoud spends in detention in louisiana is a day too long. we and he fully intend to vindicate not just his first amendment rights, but those of all americans, frankly, and all lawful permanent residents and anybody who wants to speak out. it simply cannot be the case that you can be disappeared at night off the streets of new york city, simply because the current u.s. government, the current administration at the white house, dislikes what you have to say. >> joining me now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst paul butler. so, lisa, secretary of state rubio spoke on khalil's case this morning. he's claiming he was arrested for being a hamas supporter. do they have enough evidence to support that claim? and what is the legal basis or i guess, responsibility that rubio has as secretary of state? >> well, the department of

homeland security bears the burden here to show that the secretary of state has made a facially reasonable determination. and, jose, i'm going to read to you now from a document that mr. khalil's presence or activities in the united states would have. and here's the key phrase potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the united states. based on that, merely having free speech activities that indicate support, for example, for hamas or the palestinian people wouldn't seem to meet that standard. mr. rubio has to make that determination. however, there are indications in prior immigration cases that if the secretary of state issues a letter laying out how he came to that determination, that for the most part it's presumptively entitled to deference from courts, be that immigration judges or even higher courts. so we'll have to see, particularly now that the judge has ordered that these filings become public, how the secretary of state has made that determination, where he's made it and how detailed it is.

>> and, paul, i mean, the president has said that khalil's arrest is maybe the first of many to come. how might what is going on in new york city have an impact on the future and other arrests? >> so. >> jose, there are 13 million people with green cards in the united states. if the trump administration prevails in this case, those people could be summarily deported. if the trump administration disagrees with their politics, they're complicated issues of immigration law and first amendment doctrine. but it shouldn't obscure how shocking and disturbing this case is. on saturday night, agents of the government went to the home of a person who was legally in the united states and not of any crime. they arrested him and. oh, sorry for the interruption. what? i want to take you to this, these images that were just getting in from the president of the united states and the prime minister of ireland at the white house just moments ago. >> tremendous job. i give. look,

the irish are smart. you're a smart people. and you took our pharmaceutical companies and other companies. but, you know, through taxation and proper taxation, they made it very, very good for companies to move over there. and we had presidents and people that were involved in this that had no idea what they were doing. and they lost big segments of our economy. the european union treats us very badly, and they have for years, i saw that i had it out with them in my first term, did well, but we had to solve other problems and we did. but european union's been very tough and it's our turn to, you know, we get a turn at that also. but they have not been fair. they sue our companies and win massive amounts of money. they sued apple, won $17 billion and they used that for other reasons, i guess, or to run the european union. so i'm not knocking it. they're doing what they should be doing perhaps for

the european union. but it does create ill will. and as you know, we're going to be doing reciprocal tariffs. so whatever they charge us with we're charging them. nobody can complain about that. whatever it is, it doesn't even matter what it is. if they charge us, if they charge us 25% or 20% or 10% or 2% or 200%, then that's what we're charging them. and so i don't know why people get upset about that, because there's nothing more fair than that. and we had a problem with ontario and they dropped that. when i let them know what we were going to be doing, they dropped it immediately. so i'm glad because electricity shouldn't be playing with electricity. it affects people's lives. their their actually their life. i mean, it can affect depending on weather, it can affect their life. so we can't do that. and it doesn't make sense that our country allows electricity to be made in another country and sold into

us. who did that deal for the united states? okay, i looked at that long ago and i said, that's not something that's very smart. so we've had a lot of bad trade policies, and yet we're doing very well right now. but we're doing well because i won the election. if i didn't win the election, you would have had a very bad period. i think a lot of the stock market going down was because of a really bad four years that we had. and when you look at inflation and all of the other problems that were, i mean, wars and inflation and so many other problems, but we're going to have very good years. we're going to have we had i don't know if you saw a little thing like the cost of eggs, a little to you, but big to people out there down almost 30% in the last few days. we got it down. we did a lot of things. we have a great secretary of agriculture, and we did a lot of things that got the cost of eggs down very substantially and so many other things. a very big thing that i'm very happy with is oil is down to $65 a barrel,

and that's faster than i would have we put on the gas. we stepped on the gas in order to get oil. and with what's happening. so we're getting that down. and when energy comes down, prices are going to be coming down with it. so in a very short period of time, we've done a very good job. and i think that the tariffs that we're talking about and again, reciprocal, i think that the tariffs, there are some cases where they're a little beyond reciprocal because, you know we've been abused for a long time as a country. we have been abused really for a long time. and we will be abused no longer. okay. >> are you going to retaliate to the eu? >> retaliate sir, would you describe for us is this meeting your vision by cutting about half the workforce? and what responsibility do you feel to the civil servants who have now lost their jobs? many of them worked at the department of education during the first term. >> sure i do. i feel very badly and but many of them don't work

at all. many of them never showed up to work. many of them, many of them never showed up to work. kelly. and unfortunately. and that's not good. and when we cut, you know, we go. and that's what i had a number of meetings with a lot of people over the last couple of months. when we cut, we want to cut, but we want to cut the people that aren't working or not doing a good job. we're keeping the best people. and linda mcmahon is a real professional, a very actually a very sophisticated businessperson. and she cut a large number, but she kept the best people. and we'll see how it all works out. but our country was run very badly. i mean, whether it was that or contracts that were signed that were so bad, so obviously bad, and i go through them in speeches, i could go through them all day long. i could read for billions and hundreds of billions of dollars and all of that fat and waste and fraud and abuse is being taken out. but it's incredible what's happened.

now. department of education's may be more so than any any other place has a lot of people that can be cut. the number one not showing up to work. number two, they're not doing a good job. and if you take a look at take a look at our education process. and if you look at the charts because they have numerous charts where they do the top 40, we're at number 37, 38, 39 and 40. and recently they hit during biden's last few days, they hit last. so they were number 40. and yet we're number one in cost per pupil. so it's pretty bad. but we have a we have a dream. and you know what the dream is. we're going to move the department of education. we're going to move education into the states so that the states, instead of bureaucrats working in washington so that the states can run education. and you have norway, you have denmark, you have sweden, you have various finland, you have various countries that do very well. you also have china that does very

well in education, which is a pretty big tribute to china, i must say, at 1.4 billion and they're in the top ten and it's pretty amazing. so we can't blame size anymore. you know, normally you'd blame size. it's too big. how can you do it. but china does it. so we think when you move it back to iowa and indiana and all the states that run so well, there's so many i could name 30, maybe almost 40, those will be as good as denmark, those will be as good as norway, and they'll be as good as any of these. i believe they'll be as good as any. now then you're going to have ten. that won't be so great. you're going to have five. that will not be good at all. but we'll work with them and we'll get them to be good. but what we want to do is always school choice. but we're going to do school choice and we're doing it. but we want education to be moved back where the states run, education, where the parents of the children will be running, education where governors that

are doing a very good job will be running education, not run. i drive through the city and i see, like so many buildings, department of education, department of big buildings and department. and by the way, they're empty. nobody shows up to work. so i think linda did a very good job. >> mr. president, do you do you have a meeting with vladimir putin scheduled for a conversation? >> i won't i won't comment on that. but we had a great success yesterday. we have a full cease fire when it if it kicks in, we have to see it's up to russia now. but we've had a good relationship with both parties actually. and we'll see. we'll be knowing people are going to russia right now as we speak, and hopefully we can get a cease fire from russia. and if we do, i think that would be 80% of the way to getting this horrible bloodbath finished. it's a bloodbath is taking place over there. on average, 2 to 3000 young people a week are being

killed. and that's stupid war. that would have never happened if i were president. so we have people going over there. mr. vp, do you have anything to say about it? because you're very much involved. what's going to happen? >> well, we've got. >> some conversations that are happening on the phone and in person with some of our representatives over the next couple of days. as the president said, we think that we're in a very good place where the ukrainians have agreed to a ceasefire, and we're now going to see whether we can get the russians to agree to a cease fire, too. and we'll certainly have news on that when we when we find out that news. >> are you, i ask you that you will keep the cease fire, considering that he's broken them in the past. >> i haven't we haven't spoken to him yet with substance, because we just found out and we just were able to get ukraine to agree. so we're going to know very soon. i've gotten some positive messages, but a positive message means nothing. this is a very serious situation. this is a situation that could lead to world war three, and biden should have never let it happen. incompetence allowed this to

happen. this shouldn't have happened. october 7th in the middle east should have never happened with israel. the horrible leaving the way they left afghanistan should have never happened. inflation should have never happened. you know, we have great inflation numbers, by the way, just got released is way down. and it's based on what we've done. and we've done it in a very short period of time. you know, we had virtually no inflation for four years. we had almost no inflation. and when these. >> president they're referring to the cpi report just this morning, but also speaking about what is going on with the negotiations between ukraine, the united states and russia, i want to bring in white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. vaughn, this whole issue of what is the communication between russia and the united states? the president said something interesting. he said, we haven't spoken to him yet with substance. >> right. >> we expect steve witkoff, his special envoy, to have communications with the russians, potentially vladimir

putin. but i think that we have to underscore this moment here, jose, because in the more than three years since this war started, i believe this is the first time we have heard from either candidate trump or president trump put the onus on russia to bring this war to an end, suggesting that ukraine has agreed to a 30 day cease fire to begin full throated peace negotiations about a hostage and prisoners and land exchange. but here in the oval office, suggesting that this is going to come down to the decision of vladimir putin and the russians and that one side of this war has come to the table with the united states to make a pathway towards peace. and it is the ukrainians. and we have heard from the president repeatedly suggest that russia would have never, ever messed with him if he had been president for a second term. this is now his moment to prove whether the russians will do as he has requested them to do. jose. >> vaughn hillyard in washington, thank you very much.