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>> it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports at this hour, breaking news, new numbers that show our immigrant detention centers are at capacity. what does it mean for president trump's goal to deport millions of people? new hampshire democratic senator jeanne shaheen says she is not running in 2026. this is the third seat that a democrat is vacating ahead of a very competitive midterm. so who's waiting in the wings? the markets, reacting to multiple economic developments today, inflation fell while more tariffs hit the country. we'll break down the numbers from wall street and exclusive reporting on gutting the justice department team that holds public officials accountable. so who will handle corruption cases? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with nbc's julia ainsley in washington on that new data from the department of homeland security. julia, what can you tell us?

>> yeah. >> chris, this. >> is interesting. >> so we just. >> had a. >> press call with. >> officials from. >> i.c.e. who told us that they are maxed out. >> on detention. they're holding almost 47,000 immigrants inside ice detention. >> and as we've heard from the previous. >> administration, they considered the funding already allocated from. >> congress to. >> really only get them to about 40,000 beds, meaning that's. >> how many migrants they could hold. >> per night in detention. >> now, the officials. >> on the call said. they are. >> using other facilities. >> like local jails. >> and bureau of prisons, to try to stretch their capacity. but this means two things, chris. one. >> that they are going to be hampered in their. >> enforcement efforts. because they can only arrest and deport as many people as they can detain. and second, i've been speaking to some former immigration officials who say that when you get to numbers like that, you really start to be worried about lawsuits and humanitarian conditions inside, because ice is regulated by federal court settlements that say that they have to have certain conditions inside ice facilities that have to be met, including cleanliness, staffing

levels, food and chances for people to get outside. and that is not supposed to be like a prison. it is not supposed to be punitive. it is detention before they are either. >> released to pursue an asylum case or deported from the united states. another thing we learned is the number of arrests since trump took office has been about 33,000. just under that, and about half of those are convicted criminals. you can see there those with pending criminal charges and then those who are only violating immigration laws. the other thing i have to point out, chris, the number they did not say, even though we asked this repeatedly, is how many people has president trump actually deported since he took office? that's something we've reported here at nbc news. we were able to find that in the month of february, only 11,000 migrants were deported, while in the 2025 february 20th 24th february, there were over 12,000 migrants deported. a big reason for that, of course, is the drop at the border. but it also shows that trump has not been able to deport as many migrants as he

promised, saying he would deport millions and millions. and so we're asking for those numbers right now. they're really focusing on arrest because those are so high. but we're not getting at least a public acknowledgment of those deportation numbers. chris. julia ainsley, thank you. now to capitol hill, where senate democrats are learning that they'll have another open seat to defend in the midterms. nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur is here. sahil, what can you tell us about senator jeanne shaheen s decision not to run again? >> well, chris. >> senator shaheen. >> put it very. >> plainly in her statement. announcing that decision. earlier today. >> saying, quote, it's just. >> time, unquote. shaheen. >> of course, recently turned 78 years old. >> she's been in. >> office for three decades, including in. >> the us. >> senate since 2009. >> she said in her statement that while. >> she isn't. >> running again, she. >> isn't retiring, and she's determined to work every day over the next two years. >> until her term expires in january of 2027. >> she remains on. >> the foreign relations committee. >> and the appropriations

committee in senior roles. now, this has very interesting implications, chris, for the senate map in 2026, democrats currently have 47 seats. they already face a difficult slog to get to 51. >> seats to. >> try to capture that senate majority that they lost last fall, and now they have yet another seat in a purple or purple ish state to defend. in addition to senator shaheen in new hampshire, democrats have faced retirements in michigan, the seat of senator gary peters in minnesota, the seat of tina smith. these are all states that they have to worry about, at least somewhat. new hampshire is a bluish shade of purple, but it's not sufficient. i mean, it's competitive enough. i should say that democrats can't take it for granted. they might have to make some real investments in it. republicans will seriously will certainly be taking a serious look at this as well, to see if there's a possibility in terms of candidates. chris, we know on the republican side that former massachusetts senator scott brown appears to be taking a look at this. on the democratic side, the two democrats who represent new hampshire in the

house of representatives, chris pappas and maggie goodlander, are considering running for the states open seat. that's according to reporting from our our colleague bridget bowman. one way or another, this seat could come into play in the 2026 election as a result of this decision. chris. >> sahil kapoor, thank you. let's go to wall street now, where markets have once again been all over the place. cnbc steve liesman is watching it for us. what's going on, steve? >> well, all over the place is a pretty good description. we came in this morning. we had some good inflation numbers. and if you're about to enter a period where tariffs look like they're going to create some price increases, it's sort of better to go in with lower inflation than higher inflation. it suggests that the biden administration period of lower or slowly declining inflation remains in place on wall street. there's what you might call technically the search for a bottom. what that means is they're kind of groping around in the dark trying to figure out, is it okay to come in yet? has the market now discounted or otherwise priced in all the stuff that's going to happen? i think the third way to describe

this is there's this fundamental debate how much of all the fiscal policy changes that are out there, from the cutbacks in federal spending to the cutbacks in federal employment, and then, of course, including these tariffs, which they're, you know, going ahead today with those tariffs on the on steel and aluminum, they might include copper, said the commerce secretary. what is the negative potential economic impact of that? what is the potential inflationary impact of that. and has the market priced it in? there are no good answers right now. so at best you can hope for a little bit of stability in the market. but any future increases seems like a sense that, hey, these things are not going to have the worst impact possible, or some sense that the president is backing off these tariff threats. >> steve liesman, thank you. now to the justice department, where nbc news has learned that the trump administration is gutting the unit that oversees prosecutions of public officials who are accused of corruption. nbc's ryan riley broke this story. talk about the importance

of this unit and what is the impact of this move? >> yeah, it's a really important unit. you know, jack smith actually came back. to take it over back in 2010. >> and that's. >> really where he sort of built his career and built the reputation. >> that this all led up to him. >> being overseeing. >> the two trump cases, of course. >> that. >> ultimately were dismissed after donald trump was elected as president. but the public corruption unit really has this. >> specialty in these public corruption cases. it's really. >> critical because often the local u.s. attorney's office doesn't. >> have those specialties. >> or in some cases, they're. >> conflicted out because there are. >> too. >> many local. >> politics at play in these. big public corruption cases. so. >> you know, having this unit at doj is really essential. it's about 30 people inside there right now just because of already the tension, the tensions and. >> some of the unrest. >> that we've seen. >> in. >> the first couple of months of the trump term here. >> we've seen that number. >> dramatically reduced. they're down probably about ten people. but even. >> more people are going to. >> have to leave. they're really going to shrink this unit and

it's going to become. >> a. >> non prosecutorial unit, meaning essentially that they're going to be help advising u.s. attorney's offices. but you know, they're not going to be prosecuting these cases going forward. and what that ultimately going to mean on the ground level is that those political corruption cases are going to get probably less likely going forward, especially with the interference that we've seen from the trump administration in these ongoing criminal cases involving mayor adams. in new york, for example. >> chris ryan riley, thank you. in 90s, what happened on capitol hill that led to an explosive exchange and an abrupt ending to a house hearing? >> mr. chairman, you are. >> out. >> of. >> order. >> mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman. >> have you no decency? most people call leaffilter when their gutters are clogged and they notice one of the many issues that can bring. sometimes it's the smell of mildew when water has seeped into the interior walls. or maybe they've spotted mold in the attic. but most often it's the more obvious signs of damage like rotten soffit, fascia, or water pooling near their foundation. you can get ahead of costly damage by protecting your home's gutters today.

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joining me now, nbc's julie sirkin on capitol hill and staff writer at the atlantic and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. walk us through what happened. julie. >> it was such a. >> stunning. >> moment, chris. and i'll play it for you in a moment, but. >> i just want to lay out for our audience so they know the context of this. sarah mcbride, who, as you pointed out, the first transgender member of congress ever was elected in november. and since then, she's faced an onslaught of moves just like the one that you're about to see from congressman keith south of texas. first it was nancy mace, the congresswoman of south carolina, who made an effort, who led an effort, an all out push to ban mcbride from using the restroom of her choice on capitol hill. she really made a show of it. and then, of course, it was speaker johnson who introduced a new policy when he got the gavel in this congress, a policy that didn't exist before, to make it so that mcbride and any other transgender member of congress or anybody that is on capitol hill, cannot use a single gender

bathrooms or a single stall bathrooms in the capitol anywhere near the house floor. so every time mcbride needs to use the restroom during those long boat series, she has to walk all the way back to the house office buildings to be able to do so. and then we had that moment yesterday, the stunning, frankly moment that happened in that house foreign affairs subcommittee hearing between keith self, who's the republican chairman, and mcbride. watch this. >> i now. recognize the representative from delaware, mr. mcbride. >> thank you, madam chair. >> ranking member. >> keating also. >> wonderful. >> mr. chairman. >> could you. >> repeat your introduction. >> again, please? >> yes. it's a it's a we have set the standard on the floor of the house and i'm simply. >> what is. >> that standard? >> mr. chairman, would. >> you repeat what you. >> just said when you introduced a duly elected representative from the united. >> states of america? >> please. >> i will the representative from delaware, mr. mcbride.

>> mr. chairman. >> you are out of order. mr. chairman, have you no decency? >> i mean. >> i've come to know you a little bit, but this is. >> not decent. >> we will continue this. >> you will. >> not continue. >> it with me unless you introduce a duly elected representative. the right way. >> this hearing is adjourned. >> a hearing just completely adjourned. thereafter, congressman keating, who is a democrat. the ranking member stood up for mcbride, who, as you heard there, referred to keith's self as. thank you, mrs. chairwoman, as a play, of course, for misgendering her. i want to tell you, though, that mcbride really has not responded to efforts to belittle her and to misgender her. she has focused instead on her work to represent the constituents in delaware that she was elected to represent in november. she did respond, however, in a post to x, saying, no matter how i am treated by some colleagues, nothing diminishes my awe and gratitude at getting to represent delaware in congress. it is truly the honor and privilege of a lifetime. i simply want to serve and to try

to make this world a better place. it's no secret, chris, that outside of this moment, transgender issues have been a focal point. republicans have used them in attack ads successfully, apparently in order to win the trifecta of government that we saw in november and have continued to do so in forcing votes like banning boys from playing in women's sports, transgender men at that. that was a vote that happened in the house and in the senate, too. chris. >> so, ashley, this moment obviously just the latest example of the political divide in our country. and, you know, it does raise the question, how do republicans and democrats get anything done when things get so tense they can't even get through a hearing? >> it's a good question. >> i mean, i. >> just want to. >> go back. >> to i was struck by the way representative mcbride initially handled. >> it because it was. >> clear that. >> that she was. >> not going. >> to make a big. >> deal of. >> it or let. >> it. >> sort of. >> shake her. she sort. >> of jokingly misgendered him. >> back and was.

>> prepared to move. on until the. >> democratic ranking member. intervened on her behalf. >> and i think that. >> was one of the things. >> to me that just made it such a such a stunning moment. you had the sense from her. >> that this is something. >> she deals with. >> all the time, and she has defenses and humor and ways of handling it, because this. >> wasn't a. >> new moment to her, it didn't send her reeling. you see it? >> send the. >> democratic ranking member reeling. there's a pause or. >> two. before he. >> sort. >> of. >> realizes what he's heard. >> but but to go back to your question. >> you're right. the country is. >> incredibly divided, and. >> that's what you're. >> seeing on capitol hill right now. that's what you're seeing in the country. >> that's why even. >> some of trump's. >> vote. >> some people would call. >> them bold. >> some people would call them catastrophic, but they're. so little. even agreement on if his policies and what he's doing now are good or bad, because it's

all. really viewed through the lens of one's partizan and political sensibility. >> yeah, i should note that, sarah mcbride said, because she was asked about this when she was running for office, that she was going to focus on the work, and she has done that, focused on the work. imagine that. making a promise and keeping it after you get elected. but that's a conversation for another day. i want to talk about a different kind of division. the usda has paused $29.78 million in federal funding to the university of maine after president trump publicly sparred with the democratic governor there, janet mills, last month over the state's refusal to ban transgender athletes. take a listen. >> is the main here the governor of maine, are you not going to comply with that? >> i'm complying with state and federal laws. >> well, i'm we are the federal law. well, you better do it. you better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. your

population doesn't want men playing in women's sports, so you better come. you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any any federal funding. every state. good. i'll see you in court. i look forward to that. that should be a real easy one. >> well, the university of maine student newspaper reports that this pause on funding actually will impact the state's farming and agriculture research for key products like potatoes, blueberry, salmon and lobster. maine provides 99% of the lobster in the united states. something crazy like that is the message to governors. defy trump and you will suffer. >> that's very clearly the message. that's the message to governors. that's basically been the message to anyone who is dared to challenge him. his political opponents, republicans, democrats. during the campaign, he promised an administration full of revenge and retribution. and that's what he began doing with some of his executive orders on his very first day. in a public clash like that, it was very clear trump was upset. he doesn't like

being challenged. he certainly doesn't like being challenged in public. on top of that, by a female governor, by a democrat. but i think the thing to keep in mind here, you said, you know, is the answer. you crossed me in your punish. yes. but when you look at who's actually getting punished with that funding being withheld, it's farmers, it's foresters, it's fishermen, it's people who are part of his base. and this is the one sign of trouble we're seeing for him across the board. it also applies to all the doj's thinking that it may it may sound good. it may in the instances of retribution, feel good, but it's hurting his base in many ways. and there could be potential political consequences for that. >> yeah. just to draw the line, the kind of research they do helps those farmers and fishermen. agriculture of all kinds do their jobs better and more profitably. julie sirkin and ashley parker, thank you both. and coming up, the new inflation numbers under trump.

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the toll that this is taking and are, you know, realizing that trump was not just this was not just campaign rhetoric from trump, that he is really committed to this, that his administration is really committed to this and that he is not going to change course because of the stocks going down for a few days or retaliatory tariffs. he's kind of betting his whole second term on this play that he wants to remake the world economy based on a return to trade barriers. >> i should say that the pictures we're looking at on capitol hill are live. that is the president of the united states who just had a friends of ireland luncheon. the taoiseach of ireland has been here, and so they've been having conversations. obviously part of the eu. so maybe some interesting conversations going on there. but brian, a short time ago when he was at the white house, president trump kind of painted a rosy picture of what's to come. let me play

that. >> we're going to have very good years. we're going to have. we had i don't know if you saw a little thing like the cost of eggs, a little to you, but big to people out there. down almost 30% in the last few days. a very big thing that i'm very happy with is oil is down to $65 a barrel in a very short period of time. we've done a very good job. >> we've done a very good job. brian, how's wall street viewing all of this? >> yeah. >> well. >> wall street is. >> having somewhat of a rebound, although i want to point out that the dow has been kind of fluctuating between green and red for the day, but nonetheless, some of it is because of a reaction to the inflation report that we got this morning that actually shows that inflation in this country wasn't as bad as the economists had been expecting. so 2.8%. you mentioned that at the top. that's how much prices rose between february of this year and february of last year. you'll notice that's a slower pace than the 3% rate we had notched in january, and actually breaks this snap of the consecutive months that we had seen since the fall last year of

a rising pace of inflation. so yeah, certainly when you look at this picture, you go, okay, well that's certainly good news. we want inflation to go down. although two things i want to point out. first, economists say which is a healthy level. we want to be somewhere closer to 2%. and then secondly, this inflation report does not factor in the impact of tariffs because this is really for the period of february. the only tariffs at that time were that 10% that was placed on china. so really that march inflation report is where we. really start to see the

initial impact of some of the tariffs specifically on mexico and canada, and now on steel and aluminum imports as well. that will be interesting to see whether or not that changes the story that donald trump has been trying to paint with regards to inflation. >> yeah. last week i think you reported about what the administration says it's doing to relieve the economic sting, including appointing an affordability czar, a loosening of regulatory restrictions. the agriculture secretary even mentioning making it easier for people to have chickens in their backyard to produce their own eggs. one week later, is there anything concrete the administration is pointing to saying, yeah, we did that, or this is how we're helping everyday americans and small business owners. >> well, you heard the president talk about importing eggs, for one thing. but the point is, most of those announcements had

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specifically you have immune conditions or you're traveling internationally or now they're even adding if you're traveling to texas where the outbreaks are as well, you want to be careful for babies. they're saying, you know, 12 months is when they normally start six months. if you're in these areas where there might be outbreaks. and so for those of us that are older adults, more than likely you're not going to need it. if you happen to get a shot between 63 and 67, it could have been a shot that wasn't as effective. talk to your doctor. you might need to get a booster. >> all right. i think that might be me. doctor john torres, thank you so much. coming up on chris jansing reports new nbc news reporting from a food pantry in speaker mike johnson's own district in louisiana. what his constituents are telling us about how cuts to entitlements would impact their lives next. >> you know, i really. don't >> you know, i really. don't it's been it's been here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need,

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yes, i do. i do fear that very much. the kids here, they rely on that and they're we're poverty here. >> to help us. >> people are hurting out here. >> they lost their jobs, lost. >> their homes, lost their cars. >> lost everything, basically. >> and then this is what they depend on to eat. >> may be from. >> louisiana, but you're the house speaker. oh, okay. okay. cross the house. >> whatever you got to do. >> nbc's melanie zanona did that reporting and speaker johnson's district, nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill, and joel payne is a democratic strategist and former senior aide in the hillary clinton campaign. melanie, although republicans often deny it, economists say cuts to programs like medicaid and food stamps are the only way to make the budget work. so again, you're in speaker johnson's district, which he won, by the way, with 85% of the vote. what else did his constituents tell you? well, there's. >> a lot of fear here in this community about potential cuts

to both medicaid and snap. it is a small, rural town. a lot of people told me they are struggling right now to pay for groceries, pay for eggs, pay for diapers, they're struggling to find jobs. and so a lot. >> of. >> the residents here have come to rely on government assistance. also, relying on the food bank that we visited yesterday that passes out baskets of free food every week to members of the community. now, speaker mike johnson has said repeatedly that they are not going to cut medicaid benefits and that they are only looking to reform the program, including instituting things like work requirements for able bodied adults on the medicaid program. but even those types of changes could have devastating impacts for the community here. i talked to. pastor don snyder of christian life church. he's one of the founders of the food bank. he runs it every week. and he said the issue is that in a community like vinton, there are just not a lot of job opportunities and that people don't have cars and don't have public transportation to be able to travel to seek employment elsewhere. i talked to another

woman, summer stinson, who's from the area as well, a mom of four. she said her boyfriend does have a job, but he has had his hours cut back so he might not qualify if they institute certain type of work requirements. so just a lot of concern here and the residents here in vinton, va on their mind, weighing heavily these prospects of potential medicaid and snap cuts. >> some great reporting there melanie. thank you. joel. do you think these kinds of reactions make it less and less likely there will be cuts to medicare and medicaid or. i don't know, no matter what, is this an issue democrats can use to their advantage? how do you see this playing out politically? >> well, chris, i think it. >> should make it less likely. and you know, that story that melanie was reporting on. >> from speaker johnson's district? i know, you know, in previous appearances here with you, i've talked about other republicans like tom cole, an oklahoma. >> well, guess. >> what he did? >> he made a. >> call to. >> the trump white. >> house and over to doge to make sure that they pulled back on some of those cuts that were impacting that community. but not every american has a bat

phone to power. not every american has an opportunity to call the most powerful people in the world, to go and get the programs and get the services they need brought back to them. and so i think what you're seeing is a growing fissure, not among republicans, but among republican constituents who don't like what they're being ts not what they signed up for. when many of these folks voted for donald trump, when they voted for folks like mike johnson, they did not vote for gutting critical services that they rely upon. they didn't vote on the other things that trump is focusing on, which i think is why you're seeing in some recent polling and some other recent opinion research that donald trump is really struggling with his ratings on the economy. and i think those numbers are only going to continue to crater if trump, elon musk, mike johnson and republicans continue to target work working families like they have been. >> and meantime, ryan, i understand that senate democrats just wrapped up their meeting behind closed doors to try to figure out how to respond to the house passed government funding

bill. tell us about that and the political bind therein. >> yeah, that bind is real, chris. and democrats may not have found a way out of it quite yet. we do expect to hear from their leader, chuck schumer, here in just a few minutes from the senate floor, where perhaps he will outline how they plan to address this. already, house passed continuing resolution that would prevent the government from being shut down on friday night. but we spent all day asking democrats about the path forward, and it is clear that they are really concerned about either option, either voting for this continuing resolution, which they don't like, or voting against it, and then the government shutting down. listen to what some of them said. >> this bill. >> that was passed through. >> the house. >> is a terrible bill. >> it will. >> hurt people. >> in my. >> state, on the ground who are just trying to make their lives work shut down. first of all, it's just bad. it's bad for business. >> we are. >> opposed to a government shutdown, which is. >> why we. >> will propose.

>> and we. >> hope senate republicans will. accept a proposal for a one month continuing resolution. >> so to give you an idea of just how much this is vexing the democratic caucus on the senate side, chris, they met for two hours yesterday. they met for close to two hours today to try and figure out a path forward. they would like to remain unified. and perhaps what you heard senator van hollen there say maybe one of their exit strategies, perhaps offering an alternative off ramp of a 30 day continuing resolution to allow more time for negotiation. that may be something they attempt to do, but it's something that senate republicans are not going to in any way entertain. so they're going to have to make a tough choice here either vote no, not capitulate to the trump administration on what they view as a bad bill, or vote yes and allow the government to remain open. remember, it would just take eight senate democrats to vote with republicans to allow this continuing resolution to go forward. and they have until

friday at midnight to make that decision. >> chris ryan nobles, thank you for that. so, joel, is this for senate democrats? damned if you do, damned if you don't. >> you know, i'm sure that that's how republicans will try to paint this. but we all know republicans are actually the ones that hold the cards here. they hold the cards in terms of getting elon musk off the backs of the american people and out of their pockets. and really and truly, if you look at the six month cr, the continuing resolution that's being proposed right now, it's really just a blank check for republicans to keep doing what they're doing, going after these critical programs and critical services. it's why leader jeffries and all but one house democrat decided to oppose it on the house side. and i think that's also why you haven't actually seen the numbers of senate democrats bail to support this bill. like, i think maybe some of the conventional wisdom would suggest that at the beginning of this week, only senator fetterman of pennsylvania has said that he would support this six month extension of the of

the continuing resolution, which is not clean, which includes cuts that republicans negotiated among themselves. democrats want to do a 30 day extension of the cr that's actually clean, and i don't think that republicans actually have the democratic votes to pass this today, at least as we speak right now at this hour. >> clock ticking, two days to go. joel payne, always good to have you on the show. thank you. we've got some breaking news out of maryland. now. a federal judge has suggested he could reverse the firings of thousands of federal workers, at least temporarily put them back on the job. and he actually offered a twist on the silicon valley mantra move fast and break things. the judge saying, quote, move fast, fine, break things. if that involves breaking the law, then that becomes problematic. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. can you explain why the judge said that? what's going on with this case? >> well, chris. >> this is a case brought by a number of states attorneys

general in the interest of their citizens, saying that as a result of this reduction in force of thousands of federal probationary employees, they now have to pick up the slack for their workers, workers who reside in their states. we typically think about federal workers living in the washington, dc area, but as reporting has shown over the last several weeks, they actually live all over the country. and these states are saying these people were fired without notice. they are filing for unemployment benefits in our state, and they didn't have adequate notice or due process. they were about to lose their jobs enjoying what the federal government is doing here across these agencies. restore these people to their jobs because the government did not pursue the right process for a reduction in force. >> yeah. so just to clarify, this judge is not saying that the government can't fire workers. they can. he is just suggesting the way they went about it may not be legal. that's correct. the way. >> they went about it may not be legal. there was no notice provided to employees, and they didn't have an opportunity to

contest their firings in ways that usually would happen. that having been said, if these firings weren't lawful, there is a chance that a number of types of reductions in force that are occurring across the government aren't lawful either, because we don't have any indication that those same processes that the states attorneys general are saying here weren't observed, were observed in other contexts either. >> so, as our reporters put it, riff is what they call it, reduction in force. agencies are required to provide advance notice to affected employees and in circumstances relevant here to states and local governments. an employee may not be released as part of a reduction in force unless they receive 60 days written notice. are we even at 60 days? we're not even at 60 days into this administration so far. >> i don't believe. >> that we are. >> i've been counting the days because, as you know, our colleague rachel maddow is going to be on the air every single night for the first 100 days. so i'm keeping track of that in terms of what the judge is

saying here, though, about those employees, the reason that states need that notice, in addition to the employees themselves, is so that they can provide a backstop for their residents. and we're, you know, we're experiencing this against the backdrop of all sorts of cuts to government. people don't know how much they appreciate and need government until it's gone. and we're seeing that in this case play itself out. >> we've talked about this in other circumstances, but some of these lawyers who are arguing on behalf of the administration are put in a tough position. the judge asked how many had been fired. he couldn't give him a number. >> no, he couldn't. and you and i have talked about this, about other department of justice lawyers being put in positions where they don't have the adequate information to satisfy the curiosity of federal judges. that's not accidental here. the fact that line prosecutors or career prosecutors at the department of justice don't have that information. it's because many of these agencies are acting at the direction of the most opaque government agency of all d.o.j, which isn't providing

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