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students out of school. punishment for joining pro-palestinian protests last summer. and now, word that dhs agents were on campus to what it says about the pressure campaign coming from the white house. >> and speaking of pressure. >> i was proud to vote recently for the house budget resolution, which provides the framework. >> oh, and that. >> went on. >> for a while. >> republican congressman. >> chuck edwards, buried by a barrage of shouting, jeering profanities by hundreds who packed into a town hall in north carolina to complain about the trump administration. what it tells us about the level of anger coursing through the country. but we begin with a critical question are democrats blocking republicans from getting what they want, or handing my first choice, but our focus now, given where we are, must be on preventing a government

shutdown. for the most suddenly reversed course, announcing he'll vote yes on the continuing resolution. >> it's not that this cr is good. it's not that voting for it is good. it's horrible. but the alternative is worse. and we have to look just a month ahead and see how bad a shutdown would be for all the things we believe in and how, i'd say trump and doge and musk and vote. they're like drooling with happiness and desire to get a government shutdown. they've said they want it. why not for doing anything good? i'll tell you that. these guys are authoritarians. >> his reversal triggering a furious response from scores of democrats, particularly in the house, where all but one of them had opposed the measure and expected schumer to back them up. >> i think there is a deep sense

of outrage and betrayal. and this is not just about progressive democrats. this is across the board, the entire party. >> so, frankly, i do have a very difficult time finding why a democratic colleague of mine would vote yes on this. i think that in this moment we have to stand up and fight. >> my message to senate democrats is there's still time. any of my colleagues in the senate who are considering voting on cloture. the american people are shouting, please do not hand the keys over to elon musk. >> i want to bring in nbc's ryan nobles on capitol hill with me in studio. elise jordan, former white house aide for former president george w bush, as well as an msnbc political analyst. michael hardaway is former communications director and worked for both hakeem jeffries in the house and dick durbin in the senate. he is so glad not to be doing either of those things right now. julie roginsky is a democratic strategist and author of the salty politics newsletter on substack. while ryan, i was watching this unfold last night and i have to say, it was

riveting in the way that you can't take your eyes away from a disaster. the question is, whose disaster is it? and nancy pelosi has weighed in on this pretty strongly. but tell us where we are, where the vote looks to be. >> yeah. >> chris, let's first set the stage and help our viewers understand what we have in front of us. so essentially, what democrats are trying to decide here is whether or not they're going to lift the threshold of 60 votes that it requires to basically pass anything outside of the senate. that's what this cloture vote is that you hear bandied about often, which is a very technical term about the process in the senate. basically, even one member of the senate can force 60 votes, or at least force a vote on whether or not it will require 60 votes. so that's the vote that's coming up here in less than an hour. and this is essentially what chuck schumer is saying. he's going to allow to happen the allow 60 votes to move this piece of legislation to the next stage of the process, where it will then be able to be passed with a simple

majority of only 51 votes that would allow every democrat to vote against it. but then the legislation still be passed and avoid a government shutdown. and chuck schumer made it very clear last night these are two bad options. he hates this continuing resolution, but he is much more worried about the possibility of a shutdown. listen to what he said last night. >> a shutdown will allow doge to shift into overdrive. it would give donald trump and doge the keys to the city, state and country. musk has told everybody he wants a shutdown because he knows it will help him achieve his horrible goal of just decimating the federal government from one end to the other. >> now, not every democrat feels that way. in fact, there are a lot of democrats who believe that the senate should block this measure from going forward and then put up a big fight. listen to what former house speaker nancy pelosi said in a statement online. she said,

quote, donald trump and elon musk have offered congress a false choice between a government shutdown or a blank check that makes a devastating assault on the well-being of working families across america. let's be clear neither is a good option for the american people. but this false choice that some are buying instead of fighting is unacceptable. and so the question that we're weighing right now, chris, is now that democrats have had time to sleep on this and think about this, will there be the seven votes necessary to allow this to get to the next stage where it will be a simple up or down majority vote? right now, it appears that that's the case and that a shutdown will be averted. but anything could happen between now and when that vote takes place here in less than an hour. >> yeah. let's see where the pressure points are. thank you for that, ryan nobles. okay. i got such a great panel here. michael, i'm going to start with you. schumer says, look, we're living to fight another day that what would have happened with a government shutdown would shift doge into overdrive. you just

heard him say that. did it instead shift into overdrive, a democratic divide. what do you see is going on here? >> well, the majority of this party voters, activists, even members honestly are against this cr because the reality is that voting for this cr is like drinking acid because you're thirsty. it makes no sense. and i think that nancy pelosi also weighed in today and said that leader jeffries is correct. democrats should not vote for this in the house or the senate. and so if. >> you think leader jeffries is ticked right now. >> well, he has to be. he did the hard work of keeping his members in line, which they were. i think that as you look at the senate and you look at a midterm election in a year and a half, we should be thinking about what all of this means. if democrats can hold the line here. you have a terrible economy that the american public is currently going through with donald trump, and that helps us get to a majority in the house in a year and a half. that should be our goal. the reality is that all the things that chuck schumer said would happen in the shutdown are already

happening. >> so, julie, this morning, punchbowl wrote this quote, let's be blunt here. democrats picked a fight they couldn't win and caved without getting anything in return. and there's a reason republicans put democrats in this position, because they know democrats would eventually cave. and they did. here's the lesson from this episode. when you have no cards, fold them early. was this just a big strategic mistake? >> i disagree with that profoundly. we had all the cards in the world. the cards are you don't vote to advance the cr and chuck schumer folded. we need fighters. we don't need folders. and chuck schumer is a folder. that's not the leadership that the democratic party is demanding right now. the democratic party across the board, as you said, activists, elected officials rank and file. democrats want somebody to stand up and say, this is not something we're going to be part of. we are not going to give an inch to donald trump. we're not going to own any part of this disastrous agenda. and chuck schumer just allowed donald trump, if this goes through, to impose tariffs without consulting congress, so that every time you pay more, pay

more for guacamole from mexico, you pay more for cars. democrats will own that now, because they gave donald trump the authority to be able to do that. that's not the party that i think i want to belong to. and that's not the party that democratic voters across the board want to belong to. we need fighters. if chuck schumer will not fight, he needs to get out of the way and put somebody else in charge who will fight. >> wow. okay. bernie sanders certainly wasn't happy last night. he was also on this network, literally right after chris talked to chuck schumer. listen to what he said. >> if you do nothing, you sit back and you say it is going to be terrible. and that's right, a shutdown will be terrible. but our job is to put the onus on the republican president, the republican house, the republican senate, the people who control the government. they are responsible. they have acted in an undemocratic, unprecedented, unilateral way. they've given us an offer. take it or leave it. that ain't the way democracy works, elise. >> even if you can't win, is

there value in fighting? i think that tactically, this. >> is a tough battle for democrats to. >> lose on and to have the government shut down and the economy already in the dire straits that trump has called on would potentially be worse. i think it's just a poison pill. i you know, i don't see what good choices they really have right now because they're going to look at the economy. the economy is going to get worse if the government shuts down. one thing that donald trump excels, i would say maybe his number one skill passing blame. and i don't know that i think democrats are capable right now of actually blaming republicans where blame will be due if this bill goes through. >> but i'm sorry. let me just say something about that. democrats are not in charge of anything. it is the republican economy they control, literally, the federal courts. they control the executive branch. they control the legislative branch. all of this is on them. and you see that a town halls where voters are showing up screaming at republican members because

they know whose fault it is. there's a quinnipiac poll out yesterday that says the vast majority of voters would blame either trump or a republican congress for a shutdown. democrats, only 32% would be blamed. so the point is that democrats had the republicans where they wanted them. and if they. >> ever 32% is probably pretty much donald trump's hardcore right. >> and if they knew how to communicate, which, by the way, is something else. the democratic leadership is awful at, they would put the blame squarely where it belongs, which is on the republicans. and yet instead of doing that, they are handmaidens to the republicans. if this cr continues to go through and gets to the president's desk, i just don't understand for the life of me why democrats would do this kind of assist for a republican party that wouldn't even allow them to come to the table to negotiate any of this. they handed them this, you know, what sandwich and said, either pass it or don't pass it. you have no other say about it. it's infuriating. >> you know, most of these folks, michael, you worked alongside them. so we've all got this sheet. it says there are two definitely yeses we knew about john fetterman. chuck schumer was the surprise last night. then there are 11. so six

more would have to decide to vote. yes. do you see six names here? >> i don't i see four possibly. so you should assume, for instance, that the leadership team votes with mr. schumer. but i think, for instance, senator schatz probably votes against it. i think jacky rosen probably votes against it. gary peters could go either way. let's say. >> he's retiring. >> so yeah. so right. so jeanne shaheen again probably votes against it. and so i think they're close. but i don't see six votes on this sheet. >> then what. >> republicans control washington. if you go to any random city in any random state in america and ask a random person who runs dc, they'll say, donald trump. there's no reality that says democrats will hold the bag if the government shuts down. that's just not based on any poll that you've seen, and just based on the reality of the way that trump has sold his victory in november, which is he

controls the whole thing. and so for democrats, let's be smart to your point, we had no way in in terms of what this bill was going to look like or anything in it. so why would you support it? it makes absolutely no sense. >> elise. tommy tuberville said exactly the opposite. let me play that. >> if they shut it down, it's their fault. the ball's in their court. let them do it. but at the end of the day, they don't have enough guts to do it. >> well, we're going to talk about guts. we'll see. but what about the blame game? >> i still think that it's going to go. it's going to come down on the democrats. and i just don't see a way out of that. given the republican messaging apparatus. i think you nailed it when you said that democrats just are not communicating well these days. and that's part of the post-election confusion that they have to get together. they lost an election because they didn't have a coherent message. and right now, what is their message? >> and listen to the message from donald trump. he praised chuck schumer today, writing,

congratulations to chuck schumer for doing the right thing. took guts and courage. trump called it a really good and smart move and then said this could lead to something big for the usa, a whole new direction and beginning. all right, i'm going to ask both of you briefly. i mean, seriously, the last thing i think you want, maybe as a democrat, is for donald trump to praise you. what does this mean for chuck schumer? >> it's not good. i mean, look, the reality is that he has a caucus that wants to fight. you have a number of talented younger members like murphy and others who really want to lead the party going forward. and so he has to show that notwithstanding being in his mid 70s, he can lead the party in the senate. what he's done this week has not shown that. in fact, he's done the opposite. >> julie, you kind of indicated you think he could be in trouble. >> chris, i'm an establishment democrat. i am not a flame thrower. i've been coming on your show for probably 20 years, on and off. have you ever seen me this furious about anything? this is not about ideology

anymore. it is about knowing how to fight. it is about taking it to donald trump in ways that resonate with the american people. we had them on the ropes. and what does chuck schumer do? he throws him a lifeline for the life of me. i don't understand the strategy here. it is not chuck schumer's job, mr. leader, to govern. it is your job to obstruct because the people governing right now are not the democrats. so for the life of me, stop pretending that you have a say in any of this and start standing up for the american people, because right now, throwing him a lifeline is doing the exact opposite. you are complicit, mr. leader, and you've got to stop acting that way. >> can we also point out the obvious if these roles were switched, there's a 0% chance republicans would give us the vote to get this done. zero 0% chance. if they worked with us to do it, they still wouldn't vote for it. so why would we do that? this is the problem with democrats. we're the responsible adult, and that's the problem. >> and they're pouncing on the weakness. >> absolutely. >> exactly right. >> michael hardaway and julie roginsky. but what do you really think now? thank you both. seriously. these are really important discussions to have. unless you're going to stay with

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said it was canceling $400 million in federal grants while calling for a massive overhaul to the university's discipline and admissions rules. elise jordan is still with me, along with msnbc legal analyst and former assistant da from the manhattan district attorney's office, kathryn christian. but let me go first to nbc's antonia hilton. you've been covering this story since the start of student protest. you were on campus then, on top of all of that, dhs, dhs agents, department of homeland security were on campus yesterday. give us the latest. >> that's right, chris. >> and this has sent really a chill down the spine of faculty, students, members of the columbia community and beyond. so according to the interim president, who released a statement last night, dhs agents were on campus, and they had two signed search warrants from a judge. so that means the school was compelled to allow them into nonpublic parts of the university to conduct their search. they also noted, though, that no one was actually

arrested. but for students, for people who live on this campus, the idea that federal agents could be there searching for them in their rooms is quite terrifying and certainly seen by them as an escalation, given all that we've seen. keep in mind, about almost 100 people were arrested yesterday at a protest over khalil's detention, and we actually expect to hear from his attorneys speaking out later this afternoon who are going to talk about this continued fight, their hope to bring him from louisiana back here to new york. and really, the sort of broader implications, free speech implications at the center of this story here. but i can tell you, given what we heard from the president last night, about what was seen and experienced on campus, students and faculty there are very shaken right now. chris. >> catherine, let's talk about the legal process of just gaining access into student residences like that. does an individual student have a right versus the university versus what we saw? >> tony said there was a search warrant, which means a judge. there was these dhs agents. one

of them went before the judge submitted an affidavit that had facts that outlined that there's reasonable cause to believe that there's evidence of a crime in these particular rooms. and that judge agreed and signed off on it. so do they have a right to do it? yes, because the judge just said you can go in and execute the search warrant, and that's what they did. i don't know what crime they articulated. there was evidence they would find him there. no one was arrested. which leads me to think they weren't looking for a particular person unless that particular person wasn't there. but it's legal because the judge said it was. >> yeah. the arrest that you were talking about were not on the campus of columbia. columbia. they were the ones here about muhammad khalil. and i want to ask you about the palestinian activist who's being detained by ice despite having a green card. he's now suing the university, along with seven other students, to keep their names and records secret from a house committee. do they have a case? >> well, it's they can argue to

a judge that the release of their names would endanger their safety and cause them harm, and it will be up to the judge to agree to say yes, you may be able to get this information, but you can't know their names, because obviously, if their names are out and we know what's happened the past year when people's names are out, if they are against now the new administration that they get doxed, they get threats. and so if they can articulate those reasons, a judge may agree. >> all right. elise. the new york times describes the trump administration's demands for columbia this way. quote, the government called for the university to formalize its definition of anti-semitism, to ban the wearing of masks intended to conceal identity or intimidate, and to place the school's middle eastern south asian african studies departments under academic receivership. are these tactics about safety, about stopping anti-semitism, or about remaking

universities in the image of some more conservative members of society? well. >> first of all, i think it's about power. first and foremost, they're trying to see what they can get away with, how far they can push academia. in columbia's case, a private university. since when did conservatives one have jurisdiction over the private sphere and have government interference? so that going through that list, i'm just thinking, wow, i can't imagine, you know, ten years ago that being something that small government conservatives would embrace. and with the universities, though, i think a big problem is how much government funding they're taking. if they weren't accepting just boatloads of cash and they weren't charging kids, you know, around 90 grand a year, they wouldn't be so concerned about losing all of this funding. and it just they it's this higher education cartel that just looks money grubbing at the end of the day and isn't doing a service to the students. >> so, catherine, columbia university is now warning student journalists who are not

u.s. citizens to refrain from posting on social media, writing anything about the middle east. the dean of the journalism school telling them, quote, nobody can protect you. these are dangerous times. are there no protections for journalists? >> it's very sad, but in many ways that's good advice. it's basically saying, look, this is the united states. we have a first amendment free speech. but as we can see, what's been happening, that doesn't matter. i say this i think the courts will protect, but that's easy to say after you've been arrested or detained or you've, you know, had to hire attorneys. but yes, we are in a time where clearly the administration has a list and they're going after certain people and institutions. >> have you had conversations about this, antonio, with folks there? >> i have, and i want to add one thing, because you mentioned the dean of the journalism school, jelani cobb, someone who i know, a well-known journalist here. i think a lot of folks in this

office know him. you know, my understanding from people who were present and who know him and work around him is that those words were not said with the intention to say, i don't care what happens to you next, and i don't, you know, care about the mission of our journalism school. i think it was about trying to make sure students understand the moment and the microscope the school was under. and so i just wanted to add that too, because, you know, while i think there are certainly administrators who students feel completely abandoned by at columbia and in other schools around the country right now, this is a person who was directly involved in helping students as they negotiated over protests when there were disciplinary debates that came up. and so i wanted to add that context to that comment, too. >> we are in a moment, there's no doubt about that. antonia hylton, thank you for your ongoing reporting. elise jordan, catherine christian, thank you. still ahead, a wild scene at a republican town hall. hundreds of constituents lined up to give

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swaths of the federal workforce. it is inevitable that the remediation of that scheme, it will itself be a significant task. the ruling applies to 12 different departments that have fired probationary employees, including homeland security, commerce, veterans affairs and transportation. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin is following the case for us. walk us through the order and what comes next. >> well, chris, this. >> order is only a temporary restraining order. >> in contrast to. >> a similar ruling that we've seen from a california court, which is. >> a preliminary injunction. >> the difference. >> between the two of them is a preliminary injunction lasts for an indefinite amount of time. this temporary restraining order, on the other hand, only lasts through march 27th, which is to say that the demanded restoration of these employees at those 12 departments goes only through the 27th. but the judge here is holding his own preliminary injunction hearing on the 26th, so he could make a decision also to extend this indefinitely. the other thing that i think is important for people to understand is that

when he said in his order that you have to restore these employees, his definition of restoration includes administrative leave. so the government, if it chooses to, can put these probationary employees back on their payroll but not put them back to work. you might ask, why would someone want to do that? well, in many of these cases, these people don't have anywhere to work. they've been separated from their computers. there is no office space. it is a logistical chaotic nightmare. and it may be easier for certain of these agencies just to put people on a sort of wholesale administrative leave, even if they have to pay them for doing nothing. >> lisa rubin, thank you. thank you. well, check out a massively long line of people trying to get into a town hall in asheville, north carolina last night. more than a thousand people wanting to voice their frustrations with the trump. musk changes to their congress, changes to their congressman, chuck edwards. only 300 eventually made it inside. and as you're about to see, things got heated pretty quickly. >> i believe that the president

is very supportive of ukraine. we should abolish the us department of education. the decisions need to be made. like him or not. elon musk has brought a lot of really smart people to doge. i feel like this is not productive with everybody yelling at me. i mean, if you want to hear, you certainly will have the right in the next election to cast your vote based off of what you hear coming from me now. >> let's bring in nbc, sahil kapur on capitol hill. what more can you tell us about this event? >> hey, chris. well, this happened yesterday in north carolina's 11th congressional district. it's a mostly red district with some blue in it, specifically the city of asheville, where this town hall occurred. the congressman, chuck edwards, said he was proud to vote for the house republican budget, which is likely to entail trillions of dollars in tax cuts. they're eyeing trillions of dollars in spending cuts as well, likely to programs

like medicaid. he was drowned out by boos when congressman edwards said that, and eventually he was confronted by a man who said he was a veteran, very unhappy with what's going on right now in the new republican trifecta. take a listen to what happened. >> i'm a veteran. >> two. >> about me. >> two. to be clear. >> you don't get to take away our rights. you don't have to get up. you don't get to do this to us. you. >> now, big picture, chris, there is a deep angst about the economy that's continuing into the trump administration. president trump promised as a candidate that he would lower prices on day one. that is certainly not happened. there's anger over doge and the spending cuts. spending freezes. there's anger over the on again, off again tariffs that president trump is determined to impose. some people worry that that's only going to make the problem

worse. consumer sentiment is sliding. and president trump's economic disapproval ratings are rising to places higher than we saw at any point during his first term. even during covid, president trump got high marks for his handling of the economy. so that's the backdrop where all of this is happening. there are some vibes to indicate that this could be a sort of tea party in reverse of 2010, when there was also an economic hangover, and then the democratic trifecta took the brunt of the blame. at least town halls like these are going to be closely eyed by democrats as a way to make house republicans and maybe senate republicans as well, who are firm allies of trump, pay a political price, even if democrats cannot stop what they're trying to do. >> sahil kapoor, thank you. and still ahead, it's the company owned by elon musk. but apparently even tesla isn't a fan of donald trump's tariffs. the letter they sent to the the letter they sent to the white house nex with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater

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2023. donald trump ordered house republicans to walk away from the negotiating table at the end of february. house republicans then passed a partizan and reckless bill that cuts funding for health care, cuts funding for veterans and cuts funding for nutritional assistance to children and families. it's an unacceptable, unconscionable and un-american spending bill. that's why house democrats remain strongly opposed. donald trump orders them to walk away from the negotiating table. step one. step two. house republicans pass a partizan and reckless spending bill. and in step three, house republicans get out

of town. where are they at right now? house democrats are here. we're ready to pass a four week spending bill that keeps the government open and will allow the house and the senate to negotiate an actual agreement that meets the needs of the american people. but we do not support a bill that is designed to hurt the american people, that donald trump and far right extremist republicans are trying to jam down the throats of everyday americans. and i yield to our distinguished whip, katherine clark. >> thank you so much, mr. leader. proud to stand here with you and chairman aguilar. what we saw is a gop that campaigned on a promise to the american people that they would lower

their costs, they would make their families safer. and in the last seven weeks, we've seen them do just the opposite. they've slashed medicaid. they've taken away. they've taken away veterans benefits. they are. >> so you see the democratic house leadership there. and that was a pretty remarkable thing that we just heard from the minority leader, hakeem jeffries, because after chuck schumer shocked, i use that word very specifically shocked a lot of democrats yesterday and said he would vote yes on the republican plan to avoid a government shutdown. he's now saying that they will not support a bill designed to hurt the american people. only one member of the house on the democratic side voted yes when it was the house time to vote. so they stood united. now, chuck schumer breaking. let me bring in nbc's sahil kapur. it is

interesting to see that they made this decision to come before the cameras now and make the statement that we just heard from hakeem jeffries. >> yeah, chris, we are seeing an extraordinary division within the democratic party. the leadership of the house led by these three individuals, hakeem jeffries, katherine clark and pete aguilar, and the leadership of the senate democrats led by chuck schumer, the senator from new york. they are on different pages right now. house democrats are still trying to convince senate democrats to torpedo this six month funding plan that's backed by president trump. that was passed by the house. the reason is democrats have some leverage in the senate. there's a 60 vote threshold, and republicans only have 53 senators. if most democrats were to unify on this, at least 41 members of that conference, that bill would not be able to move forward. and there could be a government shutdown at midnight tonight. what many democrats are calling for, including these three, is a one month stopgap bill to keep the government functioning while the two parties negotiate a bipartisan

deal for a full fiscal funding agreement. but president trump does not want that deal right now. he wants to get this over with and move on to that budget reconciliation package. and schumer is sort of out on his own here, out on a limb, saying that this bill should ultimately pass because he believes a government shutdown would be much worse. he called it a hobson's choice. he said there would be no off ramp for democrats to reopen the government if it shuts down now, and he argued that it would simply play into president trump's hands to dismantle the federal government because it would be omb director russ vought deciding which employees are essential, which are nonessential. this vote is coming up in the senate soon. it is not entirely clear which way this is going to fall, despite chuck schumer's call for democrats to drop the filibuster of this bill, we can't quite count to those 7 or 8 democrats, at least, who would be needed to move this forward. still tbd. chris. >> yeah, and i think it's worth mentioning that the former speaker of the house and still congresswoman nancy pelosi, had put out a statement not very

long ago, essentially echoing what we heard from hakeem jeffries and saying this false choice that some are buying instead of fighting is unacceptable. we'll see how this plays out. clearly, there's a pressure campaign going on on the hill. zargarpur thank you for that. well, even tesla it turns out, doesn't like tariffs. that company owned by president trump's right hand man, elon musk, has sent a letter to the administration warning that it could be affected by retaliatory tariffs from the escalating trade war. tesla's value has been decimated by the markets. the dow appears headed for its worst week in two years, even though right now, as you can see, it's up nearly 600 points. but as of last night, more than $5 trillion in value had been wiped from the markets in just three weeks, more money than the gdp of every country on earth other than the us and china. joining me now is nbc's ron, cnbc's ron and sonya on insana,

senior analyst and commentator. i'm trying to get my head around $5 trillion. ron, help us put that number into perspective. when you're talking about a loss like that. >> yeah. >> so it's time. >> to get our. >> heads wrapped. >> around that perspective. >> because this. >> is a. >> normal, at least for now, a relatively normal 10% correction after the market was up 50% over the last two years, 23 and 24 were the best two year period was the best two year period for stocks since 1997 and 1998. so we're seeing a 10% pullback, which on the one hand is considered normal. remember that the market capitalization of the us stock market is now about $55 trillion. so it's a pullback within the normal confines of market behavior. however, it also comes as a warning we're seeing some deterioration in the stock market and small cap stocks, which are down 18% in some of the big cap names that have been very popular of late have fallen more than 10%. so the stock market's growing

increasingly concerned about what it views as a rather chaotic and approach to policy making that has no clear end game in sight. and so today's bounce will probably be just a technical bounce at the end of the week doesn't mean much. the markets are growing increasingly concerned that the policies that are being put in place right now may not just be short term pain. they could also for long term gain, it could be quite the opposite. >> so what do you make of the fact that even elon musk's company, which essentially just got a bunch of free advertising bringing in their cars to the white house, is raising red flags now? >> well, they're getting killed overseas. i mean, if you look at the european sales, i believe they were down 75% in february and down 60% in january. the stock's been cut in half from its all time high. so that's a 50% decline. we'd call that in any other set of circumstances a crash in the stock. so if sales are falling overseas and you're about to be putting tariffs on goods coming in from overseas, expect retaliatory tariffs or

even, you know, as you've seen in canada, they're pulling american products off the shelves. you could see that type of backlash, which elon musk, both in the polls and in sales is seeing for whatever, you know, whichever unpopular moves he happens to be making on any given day. >> meantime, vice president jd vance was asked if he could rule out a recession last night. he didn't. take a listen. >> well, look, i think you. never can predict the future, but. >> i think the economy, the fundamentals of the economy are actually quite strong right now. and we'll see how this unfolds. >> we'll see. and that comes just a couple of days. >> just admitted that the economy is strong right now, which it has been for the last couple of years. so they didn't inherit a mess necessarily from the biden administration as they've claimed in prior comments. but yeah, it's hard to predict the future here. chris, i it seems that financial. >> markets part of the problem, ron, that they're getting these mixed messages is they're going to i mean recession, no recession, recession, no recession. we aren't getting a straight answer on what this

administration thinks. >> right. and i've never seen a president or vice president come out and say we're about to have a recession. i mean, the last time anybody did that was jimmy carter. and we. >> know how that went. >> political price for doing so. i think, though it's somewhat disingenuous not to recognize that these, these policies, particularly in the way in which they're being rolled out right now, won't have an adverse at least short term, if not longer term effect on the economy. as i said on cnbc yesterday, i think the financial markets are underpricing a wide variety of risks, not just on tariffs and trade, but on geopolitics and the belief in the trump administration, and particularly by the president himself, that that tariffs are a great way to raise revenue and replace income taxes, if you will, to a certain extent, and fund tax cuts. i don't think that the markets appreciate fully the extent to which the trump administration really wants to reorder the post-world war two architecture, both in economic terms and

geopolitical terms. and i think that's the big risk going forward, is that they're missing the big picture. they're selling off on this nervousness over tariffs and trade and a handful of other things. but i think in the longer run, they may have even bigger problems to deal with. >> ron insana always good to see you, my friend. thank you. and still ahead, the countdown to liftoff. we're live at kennedy space center for yet another try at bringing two astronauts home at bringing two astronauts home at last. (♪♪) (♪♪) get 0% apr for 60 months on 2024 gmc ev models. (♪♪) you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean, not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job on indeed, candidates can find it easier. so you can hire easier. visit indeed.com/hire are my 5 morning alarms a metaphor for everything else

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their part. >> it's good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports at this hour shutdown showdown. any minute now, the senate is set to hold a key vote on the government funding bill, with just hours to go before a possible shutdown in the last hour, another democrat came out against the resolution. so are there enough votes for it to pass? plus, schumer's strategy inside the senate minority leader's controversial call and the brutal backlash from some democratic colleagues. also a rare visit. donald trump is less than an hour away from being face to face with doj officials amid a massive shakeup at the agency. his message to employees who have long been in his crosshairs, and a hearing underway right now as unions try to keep elon musk's doge from gaining access to sensitive