i mean, people are in limbo. others have been terminated. we're talking about the department of education being totally wiped out by the secretary of education, saying, i came to close this down. so i think that he needs to elaborate on what mistakes. so we know exactly what we're talking about. >> and mika, we just heard the impact of some of these cuts, usaid on tuberculosis around the world and here at home. >> yes. very clear. so that does it for us this morning. but guess what? we'll be back tomorrow morning, bright and early at 6 a.m. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. >> right now on ana cabrera reports. >> court collision course. >> president trump's. >> new fight with. >> a federal. >> judge after. >> invoking a 200. >> year old law. >> to. >> deport hundreds. of venezuelan migrants. >> plus. >> the president set. >> to speak with russia's. putin tomorrow. what president trump is already saying about. >> quote, dividing. >> up certain. assets with

ukraine. >> also ahead, economic. >> ick factor. the growing. >> dissatisfaction over the state. >> of the. >> american economy. >> as wall street begins a new week. and breaking news. >> the growing. >> death and. >> destruction from violent storms across the south. with reports. >> of more than 40. >> people killed. >> good monday morning. >> thank you for. >> joining us. >> it's ten. >> eastern. 7 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from. >> new york. >> an unprecedented use of presidential. power has the white house once again. >> in. >> open conflict with. >> federal courts. >> president trump invoked. >> the alien. >> enemies act. to expel hundreds of migrants. >> he. >> alleges are venezuelan gang members. >> now. >> this is a law that has only been. used three times in. u.s. history and never outside of a declared war. well, a federal judge blocked the deportations in real time, even calling on

the. >> government to. >> turn the planes around, adding, this is something that you need to make sure is complied with immediately. and still, the flights carrying hundreds arrived in el salvador, with the white house blasting. >> the judge's. >> ruling as unlawful. meantime. >> the trump. >> administration is also. >> accused of. >> violating a separate court order. to not deport. >> a doctor who. >> teaches at brown university. >> yet that. >> doctor is now in lebanon. >> and a. >> court hearing is about to get underway any moment now. >> in that case, let's. >> go to nbc news. >> white house. >> correspondent aaron. >> gilchrist. >> nbc news senior. >> homeland security correspondent julia. >> ainslie in. >> washington. and. >> former ice acting director. >> john sandweg. julia. >> so much to discuss. >> let's start on. >> this hearing. >> that's about. >> to get. >> underway involving a doctor, a professor who. >> was deported to lebanon. what do we know about this. >> case and. what's happening in the hearing? >> yeah, this. >> is doctor rasha alawi, who was an h-1b visa holder who left to go visit her family in lebanon and was coming back into

the country when all of a sudden she was stopped and held by customs and border protection. now, a judge in this case put a stay on her deportation, saying she could not be sent back to lebanon that day and that the government needed to inform him at least 48 hours before she could be deported. she's a doctor. she's also an assistant professor. she is a kidney doctor. and in this case, the judge said that they needed to alert him before any deportation could unfold because from. his viewpoint, there was absolutely no reason to deport her because. >> she was legally. >> allowed to be in the united states on an h-1b visa. she's also from lebanon, but there's no reason to think that anyone from lebanon can't come back into the country. it was very odd why she was being deported in the first place, and instead, customs and border protection held her, and then she was deported. >> from the. >> country by ice back to lebanon in. defiance of. >> that court order. >> and i know we're going to get into this, ana, but it's. really similar to what we saw with ice

also deporting up to three or nearly 300 venezuelans back to el salvador this weekend. it's an open defiance of court order, and it's part of a white house show, really, to show that they don't think that these court orders stand. and so rather than arguing that in court, they're deporting them anyway. and one last thing. i've spoken. >> to. >> lawyers who are arguing for these cases, who say once these people are in the hands of other governments, there's very little that they or u.s. courts. >> can do about it. >> and again. >> this hearing involving. >> the. >> doctors just about to get. >> underway. >> hopefully we'll learn more. >> of the administration's. >> justification for. >> deporting this doctor. >> again. >> this is. >> somebody who had legal standing in. >> the country. >> with that visa. >> meantime. >> aaron, it's only. >> one court order. >> that we. >> are talking about there. and now the white. >> house is accused of ignoring. >> yet another. >> order. >> a. >> judge halting the deportations. >> under the. >> alien enemies act. >> and the. >> administration argues the court. >> didn't. >> even have a say in this. >> walk us through this dispute. >> yeah. >> and julia.

>> just touched on it a little bit. it's a convoluted issue trying to get an understanding as to whether the this. >> court. >> order was violated by the trump administration by delivering these, as the administration says, almost 300 venezuelan gang members to el salvador officially. i want to show you what the white house is saying about this court order. and it's. >> believed that. >> it did not violate the court order. this statement from the white house press secretary that reads, the administration did not. refuse to comply with the court order. the order. >> which had no. >> lawful basis. >> was issued. >> after terrorists, tda aliens. >> trend de aragua is the name of the. the gang that is referenced here had already been removed from u.s. territory. the written order and the administration's actions do not conflict. a single judge and a single city cannot direct the movements of an aircraft carrier full of foreign alien terrorists who were physically expelled from u.s. soil. so that's the official position from the white house. but there's still this this need by some involved with this case and that court order

to explain in greater detail. we know that overnight, the plaintiffs in this case filed another document asking the judge to require the government to give more details about the timing of the flights and the transfer of these people into el salvadorian custody. and that's something that we're waiting to see if actually materializes. we know that tom homan, the border czar, was on tv earlier today and he said that the aircraft in question here were already, as he said, in international waters or in international airspace. and he sort of said that it is what it is at that point, suggesting that because they were outside u.s. territory, as that statement from the press secretary seemed to imply as well, that because they were outside u.s. territory, the u.s. law, the judge's authority perhaps no longer applied and the plane could continue on. but that's really on a big question here about exactly what level of authority this judge had over this movement while the plane was in the air. if the plane was nearly landing, if it was in international waters, a lot of really questions here left to be

answered on, i think. and we'll see what happens when this goes back to the courtroom before this judge at some point this week. >> yeah. >> we'll let. >> you get going. >> on. >> answering those questions. >> at least. >> getting a chance to. >> ask them. aaron gilchrist thank you. we were just julia showing some of the video from. >> el. >> salvador officials. >> that are. >> believed to be the images. >> of these flights. >> arriving there in el salvador. >> and these. >> migrants who were. >> detained then arriving on the soil there. >> what do. we know. >> about who these people are? >> the trump administration. >> says they're all gang members. >> that's the thing, ana. we aren't able to get a lot of information about these people because under the alien enemies act, the president has the authority to do summary deportations. that means really cutting the corners on a lot of due process. it's unclear if many or all of these people have had criminal convictions. it's unclear what crimes they've been charged with. it's unclear what evidence links them to the tda gang. and a lot of cases, it's a tattoo. i noticed in some of those images handed out by the el salvadorian government, you

see a michael jordan tattoo. i know that has been associated with the gang, but so have signs like roses, which could be very common, so we aren't able to get that information. even the lawyers representing them can't get that information because they were deported so quickly and are now outside of u.s. territory. >> okay. >> julia, keep us posted. >> thank you. >> we'll let you go. >> john. if these. >> were all alleged. >> gang members, as the white. >> house. >> claims, then couldn't the. >> administration still. >> have. used normal procedures. >> to deport them or. >> bring charges and then put them. >> on trial? >> do they need. >> this special. >> drastic measure to. >> declare, essentially. >> declare war using. >> the alien. >> enemies act? >> i don't know. >> the answer to. >> that is no. listen, ice has always. >> focused on this population. >> they put a lot. >> of work and effort into identifying transnational gang. >> members and. getting them. >> out of. >> the. >> country. >> but we've been able to do that. >> utilizing giving traditional notions. >> of due. process of law. >> putting them into. deportation proceedings. >> giving them an opportunity to. >> argue why they have a legal right to the united states, or why. >> they are not. >> a gang member. >> nothing about our.

>> criminal. >> you know, our immigration court system or. >> even our criminal justice system prevents us from removing these individuals. >> but i will say something. >> very quickly. this was not a normal deportation. >> this was. >> a. >> deportation to a country. >> where the united states appears. >> to have. agreed to or entered an agreement, where we're going. >> to pay. >> for the incarceration. >> of these individuals. so venezuelans. >> were not deported to venezuela. >> they were deported. >> to el salvador. >> where we had an agreement and understanding. >> that upon. >> arrival they would be. >> incarcerated there. >> so that raises a whole host. >> of other due process questions about whether or not. >> this is a. >> criminal punishment or is this a traditional deportation? so a lot of, a lot of very thorny issues have been presented by. what happened over the. >> weekend. >> no doubt. >> and you have experience. >> with how. >> it should. >> unfold as. >> we're seeing this is happening. >> so quickly. so the speed with. which these various deportations and immigrations are happening is one thing. due process. >> where's that normal. >> safeguards in order. to assure. >> rights are protected? we only have to now rely on the white

house's word. >> about these cases and. >> these people. >> what do you think it means. for america's criminal justice system? immigration system? what do you see. >> as the. >> consequences more broadly for how. >> this is playing out? >> well. as you and i have discussed, it's in order to. >> carry out a mass deportation, the president has to find a way to get. >> around due process. >> of law. >> we have an immigration court. >> system, and the majority of migrants in. this country cannot legally be deported unless and until they get a hearing before an immigration judge. >> as we know. >> that system. >> is incredibly backlogged, with roughly. >> 3 million cases. only 7 to 800 judges. so the alien enemies. >> of course, is the centerpiece. >> of trump's efforts. >> if he can expand it to a broad enough population. >> i think in many. >> ways this is. a test. >> case to see to the extent. >> to. which the. courts are going. to weigh in on the president's ability. >> to. >> you know, utilize. >> this authority. >> historically, courts have been very. >> reluctant to get into matters of. >> foreign policy. >> or the president's. war authorities. >> and i think the white. >> house is probably. >> banking on that. and certainly we've seen that already in the arguments.

>> in the public. >> statements the. >> white house. >> is making. but again, i. >> would. just emphasize that this this really goes beyond even deportations. i mean. >> this is not. >> we've seen the trump. >> administration has deported individuals to countries where they're not. >> citizens. during the first. >> administration with the remain in. >> mexico. >> they. >> pushed non-mexicans. >> into. >> mexico to wait. but again, here. >> we're sending venezuelans. >> to el salvador. >> knowing and. >> paying for them to be incarcerated. >> that's that's the really. stunning piece of this in many ways. >> so many. >> things to dig into. thank you. >> for helping us. >> understand more of what. >> should be and the. >> things that. >> are catching your. >> eye. >> john, we appreciate it. >> and joining us. >> now. >> the. >> plaintiffs co-counsel. >> in this. >> lawsuit over. president trump's use. >> of the. >> alien enemies. >> act, sky perryman. she's the. >> president and. >> ceo of democracy forward. >> sky. thank you so. >> much for. >> joining us. >> the white house says the white house. >> is saying it did. >> not ignore. >> the court's. >> order here. >> they claimed. >> the. deportation planes were. >> already in. international airspace. >> when. >> that order went out. what say

you? >> well. >> you know, we filed. >> along with our. >> co-counsel at. >> the aclu, a. paper with the court last night. >> that's public. >> and it. >> really lays. >> it all out. all of. the questions that are emerging. >> around the government's compliance with this order. >> the judge. >> could not have been clearer on the hearing. >> over the. >> weekend about. his intention that his. >> order be complied with. >> immediately. including if. >> planes were in. the air. and so it is deeply. concerning that we are seeing both. >> what the government has. >> filed in court and. >> a number of. >> public statements that have been made by the white. >> house and other officials about their. >> conduct here. i think. >> that it's important. >> for all. americans to understand this. >> is a crucial moment. >> this is not normal. >> it is not. >> normal for a president. to invoke. >> wartime powers in the. middle of a time when the united states has not been invaded and is. >> not at war. >> the alien. >> enemies act is responsible. >> for some of. >> the darkest days. >> in the united. >> states history. >> including the internment.

>> of japanese americans and other. people in the. >> united states, for. >> which congress, the courts. >> and. >> presidents have. >> apologized for to invoke this act in an unprecedented fashion. >> is not only unlawful, it is. deeply harmful, and it threatens all people in this country. >> i just want to. >> kind of underscore. >> what we saw in that graphic. >> about the. >> other times. >> the alien. >> enemies act. >> has been invoked. it was. >> during the war. of 1812. world war. >> one and. >> world war two. >> those are the. only other times. >> this has been used. >> and yet. >> here's what we're. >> hearing. >> from the president. >> last night, as. he's explaining. >> that this. >> is. >> one of those moments. >> in. >> which the. >> alien enemies. >> act is justified. >> listen. >> other nations emptied their jails into the united states. that's an invasion. and these are criminals. many, many criminals, murderers, drug dealers at the highest level, drug lords, people from mental

institutions. that's an invasion. they invaded our country. so this isn't in that sense. this is war. in many respects. it's more dangerous than war because, you know, in war, they have uniforms. you know, you're shooting at, you know, who you're going after. >> he uses the word invasion. >> an awful. >> lot, says this. >> is war. >> what's your response to. >> his argument? well, it is completely baseless. and it's. >> also important that everyone. in the. >> in. >> america understand that because. >> the. >> president is. >> seeking to deport people without any process at all, we. >> have no reason to. trust any. >> representations that are being. >> made that the people that have. >> been deported are. >> gang members. >> we have no reason. to trust anything that. the that that. >> is being said, because this is an effort to. >> end run process. >> obviously, the president. and authorities in this country have numerous authorities where they can conduct. >> immigration enforcement. >> operations, but it's. >> not a wartime. authority that has. >> no basis for being.

>> invoked in this moment. and this is really just another. example of a. lawless and utter. >> disregard for. >> our values as a country and for the rights of all. people in this country. >> again. >> the. >> trump administration. >> says these. >> are all. >> dangerous gang members. >> the secretary of state said. >> they're terrorists. >> what do you say to americans. >> who are looking at this. >> and saying, good riddance? >> these people don't. >> deserve to be in this country. >> under. >> any circumstances? well, first of all. >> the government has. >> not proven any of that. these are people. >> that were in immigration custody. so the claim that. >> somehow our. >> country was. under attack. >> these. >> people are in immigration custody. >> they have not been given. >> the proper process. >> and instead of. >> going through that process, which, of. >> course, the president would do. >> if he were confident. >> that these. individuals shouldn't belong in the country. >> he has sought. >> to circumvent it with. a lawless action to. invoke the alien. >> enemies act. >> i think. >> it. >> is important that people remember. >> our history. >> john adams, who was a

founding. >> father of this nation. >> defended british soldiers because they needed a defense and because. >> of an. ongoing value of process for all people. >> and i just want to. >> say that this is really what. >> the. president is. >> doing is. >> a constitutional. >> crisis, and it is. >> one of. >> the darker days. >> in our nation's history. >> where do you. >> plan to take this fight? >> we are in court right. >> now. >> and we are. >> going to continue. >> to. >> to work. >> with. >> the. >> court to. >> ensure that its orders are. complied with. and we will. >> continue to. >> represent our clients. >> in court. skye perryman, thank you so. >> much for joining us. >> appreciate your time. >> and your arguments. up next, devastation and death. >> after. powerful storms. >> ripped through the south and the midwest. we're live on the ground. >> in hard hit mississippi. >> plus warning. >> signs for the u.s. economy. >> the new. >> forecast for our. >> finances as president trump's. trade war spreads. >> also phoning a friend. president trump's previewing his

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>> msnbc's the weekend and washington post opinion columnist. okay, so lay it on us. what does this report say? what kind of predictions is it making about the impact related to president trump's trade war and what we're seeing with the markets not only here but also abroad? >> so the oecd, which is a collection of generally developed countries, higher income countries, puts out these regular forecasts about how the economy is going to shape up. individual countries and the world. and relative to just three months ago, they have ratcheted down their forecasts for economic growth and ratcheted up their forecasts for inflation, both in the us and around the world. and so basically, they blame that primarily on rising uncertainty and trump's trade wars. >> so how bad could it get? >> well, the numbers so far don't indicate, let's say, a recession. but they do warn that if things escalate, if these trade wars escalate, we will see a huge impact on growth. so just

as an example, huge impact on growth and on consumer prices. so just as an example, a few months ago, right before trump took ■office the oecd was predicting that inflation would fall this year in the united states relative to that to last year, they're no longer predicting that they are predicting that inflation will speed up this year in the united states, relative to last year. much of the rest of the world there, they're also seeing, you know, some increase in consumer prices, but not like what we are expected to see here. same deal with global growth and us growth. again, we were expecting a slight slowdown this year relative to last year in growth. but now it's gotten quite a bit lower. so the general impact of all of this is quite bad for, again, the us economy and the global economy. i think this is the first evidence we have the first official forecast anyway, that we have, that trump's trade wars are already dragging on the global economy. >> well, and i think it's important what you note, which

is that the. previous forecast was much rosier than we're seeing now. and that's all because of this. transition in leadership here in the us. meantime, the federal reserve is set to announce its next interest rate decision this week on wednesday. what are. >> your expectations? >> i think nobody is expecting the fed to continue cutting rates at this point. now how they respond going forward, whether they cut rates or raise rates after this, this coming meeting is a little bit up in the air because on the one hand, the tariff hikes are likely to raise prices. on the other hand, they're likely to slow growth. and one of those outcomes would nudge the fed to raise rates. and one of them would would nudge the fed to cut rates. and so they're kind of stuck in this difficult position of potential stagflation. people who remember the 70s remember that potential outcome. and it's not clear how they will respond. i know how donald trump will want them to respond. he will want them to

cut rates, but that may be the wrong decision to make if, in fact, inflation is speeding up. >> okay. >> catherine rampell. >> thank. >> you as always. nice to see you and all this economic news as new nbc. >> news polling. >> shows, americans. >> are not. happy with president. >> trump's handling. >> of the economy. so far, 44% approve, while 54% disapprove. >> and the numbers are even worse. >> on handling of. >> inflation and cost of living. specifically. >> look at that. >> 42% approve and 55% disapprove. >> joining us now, former democratic. >> senator from. >> alabama. >> doug jones. >> and former republican congressman from pennsylvania charlie dent. congressman dent. >> trump has never fared this. >> poorly on the economy in a national. >> nbc news poll. >> in fact, he has never. >> been underwater. of course. >> he's slammed polls before. he likes them when they're good. >> if polling reaches. >> a critical mass. >> do you. >> see. >> him changing course at all? especially when this is supposed to be. >> his issue? >> well, the polling numbers are. certainly not very good

for. president trump. >> specifically on the economy for the reasons you just stated. >> first, we. >> should note, too, that his. >> numbers among. >> independents are. >> particularly bad. the country is. hopelessly divided on. >> a. >> partizan basis, so. >> a lot of republicans. >> the base of the. >> party still. >> supports donald trump. the democrats, of course. >> very much oppose him. but it's these independent numbers that are really terrible for donald trump. >> and i do think he's going to need to change course. >> i'm not convinced that he will. >> because he absolutely. >> believes these. >> tariffs are going to. >> somehow help grow. >> the economy. >> and lower prices. >> which really flies. >> in the face. >> of all the economic arguments. >> we hear from. >> people who understand. >> these issues. >> so i think right. >> now he's. in some trouble. >> he needs to course correct. >> yeah. >> one other note that i had highlighted on my sheet, 54% of americans say that the country is headed in the wrong direction. right now. >> senator trump. >> won the election largely. >> because americans weren't happy with the state of the economy. >> under the. >> biden administration. >> trump is now at. >> his weakest on what has been one of his strongest issues. how

do democrats pounce? >> can they? >> i think they absolutely can. but i don't think they. can can pounce by just simply pointing to the price of eggs today, because there's a lot. >> of things. >> that are going on. i think what the democrats need to constantly do. >> over and. >> over is not necessarily talk about just now, but talk about all these other things that are giving. >> democrats and giving people. >> in america a lot of concern all the cuts. to the jobs, all the chaos, the ukraine situation, the gaza situation, all of this, you know, the entire cr. none of this is in. is affecting household prices, none of this. >> nothing he. >> is doing that is getting. >> all in the news. >> the retribution. >> the firing of all. >> of the folks. >> that that. >> were part of investigations. into him. >> that's not. >> doing anything to help household income. it's not doing anything to help inflation. so i think that the democrats need to every day, every time there is an issue that does not deal. with what i now am saying. all

politics is personal. they need to remind the american people about that and continue to do that over and over. >> you touched. >> on the thousands of federal workers being fired or feeling in limbo. while this new polling also shows americans actually aren't against the. >> concept of. >> doge. >> 33% in. >> fact said it should continue. >> as much more. >> needs to. >> be done, 28%. >> said it is. >> needed. >> but it should slow down to assess. >> the impact. >> yet we do know americans don't love elon musk. 51% had a negative view of him. >> while americans are largely. supportive of federal workers. so congressman. >> dent, kind. >> of. >> a mixed. >> bag there. is there. long-term danger. >> for republicans. >> in this white house if they continue on the. >> current. >> path? of course. >> look. >> if you ask a polling question, do you think that the government should become more efficient? we could engage. >> in a strategic. >> reduction in force. overwhelmingly, americans are going to say, yes. do it. i certainly. >> support that. >> the problem for the trump

administration is that elon musk has been. >> talking about. >> chain saws and wood chippers and has been carrying out. >> this. this doge. >> mission very inhumanely. >> and cruelly. >> and i think a lot. >> of a. >> lot of americans are. >> appalled by that. >> and particularly as they see indiscriminate firings. >> of. people at. >> the national nuclear security administration or at the national parks. >> the guy who controls the keys to. >> the bathrooms. i mean. >> there are all sorts of. >> things where they're firing people and having to recall. >> them. >> so they don't like. >> the way this is done. >> so i. >> think this. >> is. >> a real. >> vulnerability for republicans. >> and remember. >> to a lot of most. >> federal workers. >> do not live. >> in the dc area. they live. >> there, scattered around the country. and so this is going to be a real problem for him. >> musk is a liability. >> given his high unfavorability at this point. >> senator, i. >> want to pivot because. >> i. >> have to ask you about this social media. >> post this morning. >> the president claiming. president biden's. >> preemptive pardons. >> of january 6th, committee. members and others. are invalid because. >> they were. >> signed with an autopen. he says they are. hereby declared

void, vacant and. >> of no further force or effect. >> senator. >> you're a former. >> federal. >> prosecutor and. >> constitutional lawyer. >> you know a thing or two about the law. can he do this? >> is autopen. >> an issue? >> no. >> no no, no. >> hell no. i mean. that's that. >> is a that. >> is as absurd as a president of the united states trying to hawk cars on the lawn of the white house. this has gotten to almost be a comedy routine, sometimes between chainsaws and teslas on the white house. and now something like this. it's just absolutely ridiculous. everyone knows that any pardon like that would go through, it's not a problem. you know, this is just one sideshow after another. and, and i want to i want to go back real quick though. and i know your time. but as charlie was saying, when people start connecting the dots between these cuts. >> in the federal civil. >> service and the things that affect them, for instance, we had. >> a lot. >> lives saved.

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ukrainian forces appear to. crumble in the kursk region. >> of. >> russia that they have. >> held. >> for seven months. now forced to retreat and in the process. >> losing potential. >> leverage at the negotiating table. >> joining us. from the kursk region. >> is nbc. >> news chief. >> international correspondent. >> keir simmons. >> keir, we know. >> putin met with. trump's special envoy steve. witkoff last week. so what are we expecting. >> with this phone call between. >> trump. >> and putin tomorrow? >> well. >> that's a good question. >> we don't know. too much and we perhaps don't know enough. really about what's been said between steve witkoff and president. putin here in russia. or indeed, what might be said between president trump and president putin. i'll just tell you, you mentioned. >> the kursk region. >> you're right. this is. >> a region where there. >> have been. >> intense battles in. >> recent weeks. >> and months and months. we're in real a. >> frontline town. >> you can see. >> behind me there at that building locals say. >> was hit in december. >> if we just walk around.

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channels and media. ukrainian forces are in. >> retreat. >> losing a valuable bargaining chip. >> kursk is russian territory. held by ukraine for seven months. >> ukraine defeated. >> here by a. >> relentless russian. >> onslaught supported by. north korean soldiers and a last straw the brief loss of u.s. intelligence. >> even as. >> trump promotes peace. putin visiting kursk in military fatigues last week. >> urging his. >> troops on. >> inside russia, a vocal minority of ultra nationalists are urging. >> him. >> not to agree. >> to a ceasefire, calling it a trap. warning ukraine will recover. >> and resume fighting publicly, the. russian leader saying. >> only he supports a pause in principle. but the trump administration. >> says in. >> meetings they're. discussing details like dividing up assets. >> we'll be talking about land, we'll be talking about power plants. we're already talking about that dividing up certain

assets. yeah. and they've been working on that. >> something that ukrainian president zelenskyy. >> has called. >> complicated. >> and there. >> is deep concern. and from many including american allies over. >> what all. >> this really means, the trump administration. >> over the. >> weekend are criticizing president macron of france, who suggested that the russians aren't serious. about peace. >> back here. >> in russia. >> the front. >> page of this russian. newspaper with a. picture of president trump. >> and very interesting. >> keir simmons. >> reporting from kursk, russia. >> thank you. >> next on. >> anna. >> cabrera reports. a new polling. low for the democratic party. what voters want. >> from party leaders in the trump 2.0 era. plus. >> take me home. >> interstellar roads. >> two astronauts. ready for. >> their ride. >> back to. >> earth after. >> nine. >> months. >> months. >> in

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on president trump. >> look. >> chuck. and i. >> disagreed as it relates. >> to the approach and outcome relative to what we viewed as a reckless republican spending bill and the effort to try to jam these cuts down the throats of the american people. >> i think senate democrats. >> have to sit down and take a. >> look and decide whether or not. >> chuck schumer is the. >> one to lead. >> in this moment. >> joining us now, nbc. news chief. >> capitol hill correspondent. >> ryan nobles. >> and michael schnell, congressional. >> reporter for. >> the hill. ryan. >> we. >> just learned. >> schumer is. >> now postponing events for the release. of his. new book. >> anti-semitism in america. >> because of security concerns. right. >> so what are we learning about the blowback. >> he's facing? and tell us more about this meeting with hakeem jeffries. >> yeah, this is a significant development on that. >> chuck schumer is. >> postponing all. >> of these events because it's a recognition. >> of. >> just how. >> much angst there. is within the democratic. >> party about his decision. >> to allow. >> this continuing resolution

to. >> go through on a simple majority. >> vote last week. >> and schumer. >> knows this. he recognizes that there are many rank and file democrats across. >> the. >> board who. >> wanted to see the senate democrats stand up and fight donald. >> trump. >> but he really viewed that this situation as. a decision that he had to make with. >> two very. >> bad options. and between those. >> bad options, he determined. >> that opening the door to a shutdown would. >> have been a far worse. >> prospect for. >> not only the country, but for the democratic party as well. >> listen to how he. >> explained. >> the process here. >> i think it was a very, very difficult decision between two bad options a partizan republican cr and a shutdown that musk and trump wanted. for me, the shutdown of the government would just be devastating and far worse than the republican cr. let me explain. a shutdown would shut down all government agencies, and it would solely be up to

trump and doge and musk not to open again. >> now. >> there are obviously a lot of democrats that disagree. >> with that assessment. >> among them. >> hakeem jeffries. >> who is the leader of the democratic party on the. house side, he. refused multiple times in a press conference right before the. >> senate vote. >> to support. >> chuck schumer. >> as the senate democratic leader moving forward. of course, he. >> doesn't have. >> a. >> vote, but he certainly has a lot. >> of sway. >> amongst the democratic party. that is why it is significant. >> that. >> the two leaders met over the weekend, as the democratic party looks. >> for. >> a path to unify. >> after this difficult week. anna. >> ryan. >> nobles. thank you. and michael, the infighting comes amid pretty devastating cascading. >> poll. >> numbers for democrats. the lowest. >> favorability rating. >> in the history of nbc's polling, only 27%. >> of voters have a. >> positive view. >> of the party. >> only 59% of democrats. are impressed with their own party, and 65% want their lawmakers to stick to their positions, even

if it means obstructing work. so what sort of soul searching are democrats doing right now. as they chart their political future in this new. >> trump era? >> yeah, anna, i think this story started back really in november, perhaps even a little. >> bit before, but it really came. >> to fruition in. november after. >> those devastating. >> losses for democrats, losing the white house, losing. >> control of. >> the senate and. >> not being. >> able to take. >> control of the house. >> and it. >> was at. >> that moment that the democratic party. >> entered into this. >> postmortem period. >> picking up. >> the pieces. >> figuring out what went wrong with those races and then figuring out what message are they going to carry over the next four years, two years, particularly in the minority wilderness? and who is going to be that leader? who's going to. >> lead. >> them in that messaging strategy? i think that what last. week's continuing resolution and government funding fiasco. showed is that democrats still haven't figured that out, and they are still in this rebuilding period. we had chuck schumer, the democratic leader in the senate, on one

page, hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader in the house, on a. completely different page then messaging in different ways. >> and i think. >> this. >> shows is this is what happens when you don't have a clear leader at the helm who is leading your troops in messaging. so democrats are going to have to continue in this rebuilding period. and again last week. showed that they just haven't figured. >> it. >> out yet. >> yeah. schumer's leadership called into question by members of his party, but there are some who are. standing by him. listen to senator chris murphy, what he said over the weekend. >> i still support. >> senator schumer as leader, but i think the. >> only way that we. >> are going to be effective as a caucus is if. >> we change. >> our tactics and we have to have a conversation inside our caucus to make sure that we are going to do that. >> changing tactics, what. >> would that look like? >> is there any. >> concrete plan for having those kinds of conversations? >> i mean, the tricky thing in this situation, and one reason why a lot of democrats wanted to play hardball on the government funding deadline was because

that was really their last piece of leverage for the foreseeable future. democratic votes, as we now know very well, were needed to fund the government. they were needed to break. >> that. >> filibuster in the senate. that's why there were so many democrats on both sides of the capitol who were so gung ho on playing hardball and using this to their advantage. schumer didn't go down that path. >> he weighed the. >> two decisions, and the two options at his. >> fingertips. >> decided that shutting down the government would be more harmful than the cr that republicans had crafted. so i think that what chris murphy is saying and what some others are saying as well, is they want to play hardball going forward. they don't want to cave at the last minute. like this. look, there could be some opportunities. for example, right now, republicans are looking to raise the debt limit on party lines. but if that slips out of that bill, that could be another point of leverage. but a lot of voters, clearly, and there are going to be a lot of lawmakers are going to want their leaders to play hardball more often. we're just going to see if leaders are going to take those cues. >> michael chanel conversation to be continued.

>> thank you. >> also this. >> morning. >> two nasa. >> astronauts. >> butch wilmore. and suni. >> williams, are gearing up to. >> finally come home. >> as soon. >> as tomorrow. >> the countdown now officially. on for their return after their space saga began. >> nine months ago. >> and nbc's tom costello has been following this seemingly never ending saga. tom, what does the. >> time frame now. >> look like. >> for their return. >> to earth? >> kind of makes 2001. >> space odyssey. >> seem like it went. >> by in a flash, right? >> listen, the end you're right, is finally in sight for sonny and butch. >> their relief. >> crew, ten, arrived. >> on. >> station over. >> the weekend while a lot. >> of us were sleeping. >> and now sonny. >> and butch. >> are preparing. for the return trip. >> they're going to start packing up tonight. >> if all goes as planned. >> tuesday night, right about dinnertime, they'll. >> be. >> back on. >> earth 260 miles above the earth at 12:04 a.m. eastern time sunday morning. >> contact and soft. >> capture complete. >> crew ten docked with the international space station. the

relief team for crew nine, including two astronauts who have been on board the station since last june. >> spacex crew. >> ten welcome aboard the. >> s.s. butch wilmore and sonny williams were at the hatch as it opened, with the new crew made up of a japanese astronaut, a russian cosmonaut and two nasa astronauts, nicole ayres and commander anne mcclain. >> i cannot tell you the immense joy on of our crew. when we looked out the window and we saw the space. >> station for the first time. >> butch and sonny's long extended visit started back on june 5th. >> those starliner. godspeed, butch and sonny. >> boeing's starliner spacecraft launched. successfully from cape canaveral space force station. for a ten day test flight. but nasa became convinced starliner wasn't safe, so it left butch and sonny on the station while bringing starliner home empty. butch and sonny had been there ever since. >> every astronaut.

>> that launches into. >> space, we teach them. don't think. >> about when you're. >> coming home. >> think about. >> how well your. >> mission is. >> going. >> and if you're lucky. >> you might get to. >> stay longer. >> sonny williams soon took over as space station commander. now with a normal five month crew rotation. butch and sonny are one step closer to coming home. >> great to see. our friends. >> arrive, so. >> thank you so much. >> an epic space saga for two astronauts about to celebrate the end of their very long mission. >> in this. >> very unique place. >> it gives you an amazing perspective. >> not only. >> you know, out the window. >> obviously. >> but also just on how to. >> solve problems. >> i don't. >> want to lose that. >> that spark of inspiration. and that perspective. >> when. >> i leave. >> so i'm going to have to bottle it somehow. yeah. she still loves space. >> okay, here's the schedule now for crew nine, the four astronauts, which includes sonny and butch. >> they will start. >> closing the hatch to their spaceship. >> tonight. >> 10:45 p.m. >> eastern time. >> undocking from the station. >> slated for 1:05 a.m. tomorrow

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