> no republicans needed. top democrats growin tired of pursuing vote but will the democrats really go it alone? plus, more questions on whether team obama h gotten the stimus wrong. can you imagine yourself running for president? >>i don't know what the future hos. can't predict what the next fish run's going to looklike >> does that mean she's open for campaign run in 2012? wel havehe latest on a new poll that shows most republicans are still behind her.

>> i'd te 2012 off the table right now. al, the michael jackson mysteries continue. has he been laid to rest? why is his brain bei kept for testing and the lingering qutions about the kids after the tearful words of paris jackson. and today's crossinghe line. a teacher who married a four grader just for fun on the scho playground. good afternoon. i'm david schuer, live in washington. >> i'm tamron hall, live in new york. and we have this breakg newsust in. a top former aide to ro blagojevich, the fmer chief of staff has beco a goverent witness. he's entered into a plea bargain that says he spoke repeatedly with blagojevich about how t then governor cod benefi financially fromack obama's sete seat. the government continues to build their ase. th have a former cef o

staff who wiltestify against rod blagojevh. and theigicture at th hour, the white house stkes a health care al with the tion's hospitals. a key player in the high stakes battle playing out right now congress. joe bin appearing with kathleen sebelius says the hospitals are read to pay up about $15 billion in government paent in ten years. the money is use to help pay for the uninsured americans. >> today's announcement i believrepresents the essential role hospitals play in maki reform a reality. and the reality will we must acthis rerm this yea we mustnd we will enact refm by the end o gust. >> the dal comes two weeks after major drug makers agree to sacrifice $85 milliono lower drug costs for elderly.

how muchf ts is abo a white house that is tryg to show heth care reform stil has the momentum? les talk about this dea here. $155 billion. it sounlike a lot of money. sounds like a big negotiating ol here, but ist really? >> well, that'she question, tamron, they keep coming out th these announcements. this is the third om thehite use. it's all very vague. even today wit thehospits, they were making it clearhat what they were offering w contingent. ey're worried about the public plan that's going to charge medicare and medicairates. these hospits are very profit iven s they're not going to give up something this big without sothing is return. >> what do y want? >> the argument they're making is that the uninsured are going to be moved on to coverage plans and thenospitals will stop

eating tho costs. when you don't have insurns, the hospital es uppaying, but in this case, they they're gointoet coverage on that. again, the whi house keeps presentinghese dls as done deals. this is a commitment, but nothing's on paper. no conact signed. these are just sort assuran suranc assurances. gat point to make there. julie mason, thank you very ch. ow to the bigger picte. the battle on capitol hillo reform health care the concessions keepeing rolled out. whe do we stand? is week, there were political shk waves when rahm emanuel said is administration was lling to take the publ optionla off the table. chuck schumer said a public tion was the only y reign inhe industry.

yesterday, the white house issued an unusual public statement, clariing that president ama's prioritys the public optn progssives want. here's whavice presidentiden had toay today. >> reform is coming. it is on rack. it is coming. we have tried for decades, for decades to fix a bron system and we have never been this close. >> is heright? are the democrs willing to force their plans through without anyepublican vos supporting it a possibly thout a few morate mocrats? msnbc congressional correspondent mike viqueira joins us fro capitol hill where the negotiations continue to unfold. mikewhere do things stand day? >> reporter:re is that rattng about how they're going to do this with or without republicans, but democrats have

to get on the same page. we've had controversy in e last 24 hours whe harry reid has gone back to his chief that's bee sitting down in room after room, trying to hash somethg out that enough ople can get on brdwith. th have the procedure inlace to ram this throughif that's what they choose to do. but harry reid exessing reservations aut paying for it. sang that's not a god idea. in terms ofhe public optio everybody understandsthat this isot going to pass congres witht some kind of public option. ra emanuel, who spent a lot of me here, knows that this so-called trigger, lvehat as a allback option. that's somethi that modera democrathe blue gs, have

proposed, but that's be a non-starter t house side. you going to tax sod pop? add a surchar on the wealthiestmericans? you going to attack the employer-provided benits? these are th things on the table, but they're hang a del a time wrestling with. it is a veryensitive political matter. >> onef the key questis is there maybe me democrats who will decide ts is something i cannot support. but i guess th key question would eyelp the democrats get to the 60 so you can endt and then it does become 51 votes is all y need. >> reporter: every week,on tuesy, the parties go to their spective lunches behind closed doors. it was reported thatharry reid asked democrats, stick wi me on the ocedure.

in other wds,hutting off the base and when itmes tooting on th actual legislatio you can go your own way. a t of democrats said i'm going to vo what's bestor my state. i'm not going to vote on a pay line. at happened when the rubber hits t road and they have to vote on this, that could be anothe matt, but that is the appeal thasome democratare making at this point. >> it is getting dramatic. thanks fortheerrific reporting. coming up, former d chairman veont vernor, hord dean, will join us to talkbout health care reform efforts and thepproach being taken by the white hoe. it's got to be difficult to try to cnt heads,who's somebody you can count to end bate. >> it's interesting, we're going to talk to governordean, he said i an interview, shington

isoreesistt to change than anything except a few ligious cults. so comparing washington to religious cults. wel see if they will have what some like toall the come to je moment. >> michael jackson's the other big story his public morial may be er, buthere are still ma unansweredquestions. nearly two weeks after his death, his fin restg place remains unknown. it does not appear jackson will buried at forest lawn cemetery. jackson's cse of death is listed as deferred. it could still be wks before tests are comple and a coner said investigators are still holdg michael jackson's brain, which is not uncoon. it will be returnedo his family once the tests necessary are finished. michelle kosinski joins us outside th family coound.

a lot of peopl are curious why the family would n confirm where michael jackson's resting place will be. i imagine it's becae people will vandalize. >> reporter: exactly. maybe theyjust wantedome privacy andpeace. en at least f laying michael jackson to rest. it was a curious thing to s them bri the casket in in a ar, but then nobody saw leav so somehow, they've arranged to have a private burial some where. the question surrounding this would neverland be the final sting place. that could still be possibility, we kno that someone was talking about asking r an exception to bury a body there on prate property.

aside from tt, remember, the biggest question that remains is what killed michael jackson. what exactly was that cause of death. early on,the coroner said it would ta four to six weeks. and also tests they had done on pulmonary material and tests that involve the brain. we still could be two wee away from themmaking a determination puicly as to what exactly is the cause death >> thank you very much. >>serious security flaws in tion's government budis d the evideeas caught on tape. the videoo f fm the govnment accountability office shows investigators smuggling boboaking materials past security in federall buildings. ce they got inde, the materials d investigators were able to put together a b in

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are matching thateal. back to msnbc. welcome back. i'm david schuster, live in washinon. >> i'mtamron hall, live in new york. outsid of thatair fare deal catching our eye. the big picture, governor sah palin and yet another ethics complaint on her travel reimbursements. it comes days after announng she's stepping down. records show she'seing asked for trel expenses for staying in her own home inasillahile working in anchorage. this is wh she told andrea mitchell.

>> you haven't finished e b. >> you're t listening to me as to w i wouldn't be able to finish without costing the state millions o of llars. a lame duck ssion provided more opportunity for wasted i wasn't going to p alaskans through that. >> and people aretill talking about whether she will run in 2012. among the lest to way in john boehner, who said he thinks it will be ve difficult gen everything that has gone on in the last nine mons. and jeb bush talked about other possib republican caidates and faidto mentionarah lin. >> n to the bigger picture sarah palin's resignation and whether she's generate sympathy for hef. after annouin she's stepping down, she spents holiday weeken fishing with her husban and kids and attended an independence d parade. now that some of the dust has settled, ere's a new poll out. when asked how does lin's

resignation make you feel toward her, 9% said more favorably 1 said ss and 70 said no effect. en asked how likely would you vote for her forresident in 2012 dlsh -- is tat perhaps not a bad start? joining us now om our studios in new york is frank newport. frank, wt specifically, wt group are we talking about on the la poll? publicans or voters over all? >> the pop was of everybody in the u.s. except for the regt register voters. we can splitut republicans. if sarah pal runs, she's got to convince herfellow republics rst before she can take on the general election then you've got pretty high

numb of republicans who s they wld be likely to vote for her. wenterpreted as she's got a fairly good baseere she to decide to ve ahead for the bid for the 2012 election. >> here's the thing abouthe poll i guess i don't undersnd. when it says most registered republican voter 72%, is at in the abstract or were they given other choices? i wder if you puter up against others who might run, that 72% is gng t drop. >> that's ght. it was only asked about palin. as you said, perhaps we could characterize that as abstract. we didive vters a list, but that w the purpose. all i tells uss that we've got sizable majori of republicans at this pnt who are not ruling out wanting to vote for palin who said sure, ey'll think about it. that's whathe needs at this

int, that her fellow republicans will consider ng for her. >> can you take us deer into the polls? what do these people like,r what was appealing? was it just aboubase issues here? >> we didn't go into tremendous detailn whether or not they appreciated her bng able to fish. >> i was thinkingmore, people are saying she's a maveric a lot of talk on "morng joe" from reblicans saying she's willing fight is old washington establishment. >> we id didhe fact that she quit mak you think more or less likely faifrl favorable of her. by e way, we also said perhaps to your question, tamron,do you agree or disagree that the news medihad treated hernfairly anwe found a majority of americans who agreed that they

trted her irly ever since johnccain picked her. so her complnts ha democrats, too.uite a few >> d't hate to tell us. it wasn't as if they named me and vid. >> americans,o matter what we ask about the news dia, can be fairly skeptical. >> interesting. >> thank you very much and we can all logon to msnbc.com for this. a news vine vo onarah palin. what do you ink she will do next? 's sonteresng when you see 70%, no impt and three o of ur republans would still be inino vote for palin. >> y wonder how ch is knee jerknd how much is empathy that ppl may have, escially

whenou see the polls saying the media's picked on her. i am curious if she doestake a jobn another network, she then will be a part of the me a media. >> we're harsh on people wn they offer biz news coerences. the investigation into michael jackson's death. >> officials are narrowing on thtypes of drugs that may have been given to michael jackson before he died. th're taking a closer look diprivan, the powerful sedati und insideis home. jackso dermatologist saidhe singer did not appear poor healthnd the doctor claims even danced in the office three days before he died. but the doctor also says if

jackson wanted a certain drug, he could g it. >> always was concerned about him because worried about hedoctors. here the problem with michael. no matter what he wanted, someone would give it to him. >> you're taing pills. you're tking medication. >> because the poor, theich and very famous get thworst medical care >> doctor, thanks r joining us. you said that a lot of t makes, the exars already ha a are pieces details together. but theyave michael jackson's brain. we understand that's not uncommon, but what c that tell them? >> wheth or notossibly a neurological problem was present. th that cannot be sualized with the naked eye. i doubt very much at that is ing to happen, bu it is

something that is pror to be done in this situation coidering his to be gracious rath bzarre behavior. now als drugs can have some effect over a prolonged priod of time. thebrain will not tell you which specic ugs, but there can be some cellular changes that could have developed. especially dealing with something like propol. >> the part of the veigation, if the propofol is found in his body, why wouldn't it justbe as simple as one, two, three. ator there gave it tohim. he d a heart attack around that would be e reason he died. >> we m want find that it is far different from whatou have just prognosticate however,

obviously, it remains toe seen what the analysis shows. i want to say this about profol, diprivan. it is a drug only t be ministered by a doctor. only in a hospitalsetting. itknown to produce a marke decrease in arterial height in ood prsure and it is arug so mostly given under highly aseptic technique becaus it is suspectable to bacterial contamination. a these reasons, ifny doctorpscribed propofol for michjackson to take at home without an anesthesiologist, in my opinion that is gross negative le. >> thank yo up next.

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welco back. the white house cntinues to make its case for the $787 billion stimulus plan despite vice preside biden admittin they misad, his wods, the economy. >> five months later, unemployme is rising into th

uble digits and onlyone tenth of the money has beenpent so far. the house oversight comtt held meetings o stimulus waste this morning and leaders took the opportunity to slam the administration. >> vice president biden and e president mentioned the fact theyidn't realize how fficult an economic circumstance we were in. now this is the greatest fabrication i've seen sin i've been incongress. >> more governmen and more bt. >> so, did the obama admistration get it wrong by not dog enough when it cameo the stimulus? here to mke their case, matthew, a blogger dj.p., associate editor for "the waington examiner." whatbout that, they shod have done more? >> never in my life did i expect to hear someone saythe vernmentsn't spending money fast enough.

this ito beexpected. on you look at the stimulus and how it's being spent and all of the pet projects that are benefitting om this, you then realize that pple just wanto have more spend their district. 's just a political thing and this has nothing to do wh trng to save the economy. after all, oba said if we didn't ps the stimulus, employment could hit 9%. and now, it's up to 9.5%. >> but couldn't it have been at if y hasn't done anything? >> right, but at what base are they saying these thngs? it'sretty clear that obama was not expeing this kind of a turnaround,ut said by his own metric, we wanted unemployment numbers to remain able, that we would have to rely on the stimulus too it. >> matt, i't this an argument for thebama administration believ if thetimulus would

work, then should have followed the paul krugman coent, to deal with a siton that was worsthan they thought iwas? i don't believe that. we are 130ays into the stimulus packa. president obams clear from the beginni that this is not a quick fix. if hcould snap his fingers and the economyas fixed, i'm sre he woulddo that. as hard ast is to do, the ameran people are going to have to exercise some patience while the stimulus kicks in. the adnistration can't just give out this money blindly to the states that would create even mor prlems. >> sounds lik that's what they'redoing. >> you've got some ofhe top ecomists say no one thought th would be a quick fix, that it would take tim these pe didn't lose their jobs overnight and wouldn't be put back i them over night.

>> i thi the market at the stimulus aone would fix the econy -- >> you said only the stimulus. >> actually, theobama administrati said that, tha if we didn't pass a stimulus, we would be facing much worse circumstans. they're ying this is the panacea. >> keep the economy fr turning into at tright depression. >> they did not. >> butif you want to fix the economy, whayou don't do is create special overpass for tules in flora. you n't spend theney on brges in minnota. you n't spend that money for that rean. you make it easier for jobs to be created by making it er for businesses towe them. that is not somethi is obama administtion has looked into enough. >> what about t argument that far as fundamentally changing e economy, the obama administration has lookedat

green technology -- it doest create the tens or perhap hundreds of thousands of jobs that could fixhe economy. >> over time, belie, that investmes in green, our economyill pay off in jobs. i have to say to his point, it's not nest to suggest this is the only fix. barack obama and his ministration have done of things to lp the struggling econy. ll, suggest an alternative. bush was in office before and he inherited this mess. >> no, that'a really good point to make, but also,let's say if that if obama was really serious about fixing the economy, he obably wouldn't be pushing cap and trad talking about nationalizing heal care.

he also woul't be talkin about passing th employee free choice if he was serious about oping thingsp to business and creating job -- >> j.p good int, buthe idea behind those programs is not enomic-related, butn any case -- >> it is ecomy -- >> i's a pleasureaving y both. we have me breaking ews, 're going tout itshort. breaking news ot of the shvill the police chief of the national nashvie police department speaking about theeath of steve mnair and a woman who was inis company in an aparent. let's listen in. >> in nversation with plk misnair d share th her update on what we think the investigation tells us to this poin which i'll do with the communy now. after nea fourays of innsive investigati, which includes loratory test results,he police departmt has ncluded that stevecnair murdered by sahel kazemi, and th in turn she killed herself. while we may never know what

drove mskazemito make th decision, the totality of the evidence clearly pointsto a murder/suicide. dely publicized med diagrams of the exact body, anhe shooting sequenc is in fact in error. based on the appeance of the crime ene, evidencolleed autopsy findings, laboratory results, and an incredib amount ofork by our investigativteam, ere's no doubt we believe now at this ti that mcnair w seated on the sofa and likely was asleep. and we believe that kazemi sh him in the right temple, then twice in the chest and then sh him a fina time in the left temple she positioned herself onthe sofa a shot herself oe in the right temple and expired.

today we received prelinary informatn from the tbihat the fiveell casings recovered match the weapon purchased by kazemi las wednesday, and gunsho residue evidce, trace evidence was found on kaze's left d, not enough for a conclusive result, ando gunshot sidue on . mcnair's evence. becausthere's a lack of any struggle toreefensive wounds to mcnair, his physical position onhe sofa,the trajectory of the bullets and wound ptern, we still believe it was likely that kazemi shot mr. mcnair and he didn't kno over the last fiv toenays of kazemi's life, our investigation is learning she had become vy distraught a onwo occasions told friends and associates th her life was all messed up a that she w going to end itall. ms. kazemi had a vehicle she

ne while the escade was purchased we tnk with mr. mcnair, we believe she was paying paymenton the escalade. she was paying paym on a kia, and heroommat was about to leave which s goingo effectively dole her rent payment. welso hav reason to belie that kami recently learned bere this day that she believed mcnairwas involved with anotherman and that too participatedn her state of mi, we any. as it relates to th discovery of the bodies and mr. wayne kneely's actions, analysis of preliminary cell pone records and a re-intervi with mr. kneely indicates to our detectives that he has been in fa truthful. while it is unusual that the was a 44-minutedelay beeen the discoveriy of the body and first phone call, it's not unheard f, and again i would caution,here's no evidence whatsoever that any of the crime scend the bodies had been tampered with or moved

altered in any way. at thitime, the police partment still has remaining issue toss look at. there are videos ohe area around the condo that we're looking at anded video we've seen so far do not give any informatiothat wld contradict the murder/suicide conclusis. we also want to remind aone in thmmunity if they have any addional information to pase contact ourdetectives, and we'll provide thatinfmation. finay, any death is agic, d the deaths tat we are talking about today are trag to the filies of all involved and trag to ourcommunity. with tha i've conclude my formal comments are there any questions? reporter: was there a suici note? >> no. >> reporter: was theranything you've been able to determined in terms of that particular ght? >> as discussed there were ny things sessing r.

one of the stressors was whether her relationship was unraveling with mr. mcnair. we c't put our but we believe there was evidence of spiing out of control. >> reporter: d she made promises of a futu relationship? mr. kneelyis totally clear from the instation. >> gen all the stapes taken, mr. norfleet is no longer a suspect. we believe that was just her and the person she purchased it from. shenew the gentleman she bought the gun from from a por vehicle purchase or discussions of vehicle purchase, and quite by serendipity it turned out he said he had a gun if s asked if there was any way henew of getting a gun. they transted the d in the dave and busr's parking lot.

i know the atf has commented on the issue. >> did mr. mcnair know of this woman or her husband's relationship with her? >> i n't know of any of that. indication of drs at this crim >> we found n ugs at the scene of the crime. >> repter: where did she get this idea that she -- >> we have reason to lieve that kazemi witnessed someone leaving the condominium where thevent occurred several days before. we havreason tobelieve th kazemi attempted to follow that person or at oth times ted to follow thatperson. the dckives are of the pi that she believed from conversations she had with friends and others, that she thought mcnair was involved in another relationship and had jus rectly arned that. >> rorter: how about the young man -- >> she's been inerviewed. >> reporr: how long did mr. mcnair sta at the ndo? >>re not exactly sure.

>> reporter: i know you're waiting on ballistic reports, but checking out some other leads, were you ever considering it was a double hocide, sed on t leads you were getting? >> i'm vry sure our deteives from t very beginnindn't rule out any possility. the crime scene itself is a technique and investigati stte that's very well ne. our team d a ry good j. therime scene tells us a lot of what we know today, and from there,th interviews, other information did not change what we originallyaw on the crime scene. we wanted to wit until we ha the tbiresults, because we want that science to tell us the weaponsand pellets and casings re the same and we wanted to w until we could share all these pieces of informion with the coner's office. it's a bitnfortunate that there were widelypread diagrams that were n ftu that may influence people's decisions or thinking. there was widely spread order

of shot sequences that is not bad in fact at allhat we now want toake sure is overcome in the mind of the community, and we had those conversationwith the coroner's office today. >> reporter: of the four shots fired at mr. mcnair, what was the time frame? how far apart? >> it is difficult to know, because we have information at anyone heard the shots, but we do think th based on wh we kno today and what we know about the scend evidence and autopsy and trajectory, we thin it was four shots by ms. kazemi against mr. mcnairnd one against herself. mr. mcnair'shots were likely very quick. >> reporter: was sh upet about >> that's more speculationthan we kno right now. do know she was clearly sending a message to people during the last five to seven days in her life that things were going bad quickly. shgot arrested on thursday morning to dui. you can't atch rational

king to these haviors, but we do elieve, no question, that she killed mr. mcnair and then killed herself. >> reporte at this point i want to be aslear possible. you said there were no drugs at the scene. was there any pair fer nail ra or anythi else to suggest there was something in on? there was no parafer nailia at the scene. >> reporter: dyou have any evidce that drugs were involved at all? >> we knowhat the toxicology reports wille done in the next several eks. from there we c maybe he new information that we don't have today. reporter: did chef a signs ofruising or additional trauma on her body? no, nothat i'm awa of. >> reporter: do you have a time when the shotsere fired? >> we're pretty sure that it was going to have to have occurred sometime after 1:00 to 45 in e morning. extly when again we don't know, because there's nobody who heardt. the next-door neighbor ces back to his