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a lied repeatedly. we'll ta about that with one of the most ardent itics. me democrats about tgo toe to toe with psident obama, that's right over not being aggressive enough onheth care. we'll talk t two leading democrats that may walk, that's right, leave the presint if he doesn't ante up. the investigation or what killed michael jackson may enter af you nays. the question of h kids, estate and ds allremain unanswered. rhodes scholar turned naa president as he gets rey for a histor ncp summit. we have allthat and a whole lot more. cnbc's burnett, congresswoman, savannah gutie, a whole lot more. you're going to love tis hour. first, as always, we fast rward to the top stories of day, three in particular. new reports right now that police are using teargas and firing off shots in the air to disper protests in tehran.

meanwhile white house was brazil's help with tehran. president obama says azil's close trading ties with iran offer ique opportunities to press iran to keep nuclear activities peaceful. under new cyber attack, one government se has been affected. officials suspect north kore not just random acrs behind rece hacngs. house democrats say cia lied to congress. lawmakers claim leonanetta toldthem the agency repeatedly revealed information to coress. cia said panetta never said that and that, quote, it is not our policy or pctice of the cia to mislead congress. we're going right now to speaker of the house nancy pelo who is talking about this. let's sten intowhat she has to say about alletions that th cia repeatedlylied. you recall she was embroiled in this conversation recently. >> we'll the pe forow we go forward and ho that the senate priorities are ones that

we can come to agreements on. m confident we can. some ofou said this about the recovery package, and then it was sa about the budt, then it was said about the energy bill. but t fact isthat we believe that a public option is, by one name oranother,s essential t the sucss of ral reform that ll work with american people and chge the system. we are committed to at. i cod only speak for the house. you know that. but i'm confident tha we ll have- let me be clear about what it will e. it will be an option called a patient option. a healthsecurity optionor whatever. but it will be whatever na,

actuary sound, administratively sustainable. it will be level playing field that will increase competition. it is no something that is signed to outdo the private sector but to have re mpetition. the righ sector has had t field to itself up until now. the syem hasn't really worked for a large number of peoplein our country. and we believe that theublic option i a way, the president sa,o keep the private stor honest. but it has to be level aying field,ot something that is wholly subsidized by the federal governmentn any way that i dierent thanubsidiies to individuals that can be usedn the public or prate sector. so what's your take onhat i involved ithe past 24 hours? >> i kn what you know. i've seen letters om the

members an obviously have concern. thentelligence committee has theoversig responsibility for intelligence in the house and equivalent committee inhe sete. i'm sure thell be pursuing this in their regar commiee proces >> so silence the debate over the propriet of -- [ inaudibl] >> i didn't know thereas any question about propriety. i'm proud of m work inuman rights ove the years. peoplenow where i am on the issu which we've agreed. i don't think -- this is an excuse not a reason. as i told you our succsis driving republans t distraction. any excuse wll do. the fa is there's a briefi that is a serious coern to members of the committee, they have their course of actioo al wit.

that's that. >> minority leader boehner has taken a pledge he willot vote r health care bill that he hasn't re, a chance to read in entirety or unt it'svailable to the plic or onlinefor72 urs. we see that pledge with other members -- >>his is the pledge that has been keeping with having rd all theills 's ever voted for. i n't know what his pledge i we edge toave a fu process that ple time for legislation to be well-known to e public. every person in americais an expe on his orher health care. they are all ve curious about at will be there. >> thether day in los angeles, praising life and work of michael jackson.

bringing tt -- [ inaudible ] >> we're into the popular culture now. michael jackson was a great, great performernd lotsf sadness tre for many reasons. what i said y colleagues over the years, certainly a leer and the speaker, there's an oortunity on the floor of the hse to express teir symphy or their paise any time that the wish. don't ink it's necessary to establish a resolution. >> why? >> i think in thisase thedea iso praise a life and work, as i assume that resolution es, then why not dothat. a resolutio would open up to contrary views that a not necessar at this time to be exessed inociation with th resolution whose purposis quite different. >> how often do you speak to

le panetta. do you have a regular inlligence briefing. >> i don't know when i last spe to pant ar. when he called say he had been named and i offered my thusiastic support for his bemi the director was that probly the last time i spoke with m? or i h maybeone briefing from him eaier or two, i don't , but notrecentl but i do get my regar briefing but not necessarilyrom hi e direct oational intelligence dennis blair has be briefing me. >> are you in a ption to nme democrat members of the financial cris committee? if not, when? >> i will l let younow as on as we have them. >> mentioned the other day might be a need for a second stimulus. what's your -- >> i'm committed to the first stimulus.

i don't ink it been given all e time towork. is third quarter is a big quarter fo the stimulus. i think that people will begin to see more of e results. evenr. zandy said ift falls short, there will still be 2.5 million jobs s or create we hope it will better than that the questn is always open as to what the administration may recommend to us. but right now i believe that we seeing through the fir om stimulus. i am pponent for bringing up a full transportation bill, which is a great job bill. at se point we may have to do somethg on the extension of unemploymentbenefits. bu in terms of theinvestments that were made in the first package, i wa to play that t. we have toe very carefu about the spending on this.

and the oppportunity that the distinguished jority leader putut there. but rit now thin that we haveig issues with health care and how we fund tht. if we do go someplace, i'dike to see uso theransportation bill. >> last estion. >> will you let the final text of the health care bill before it moves to the use. there a limit to the debt yore willing toincur from that bill and if , what is the limit. >>e have to have the cbo scor that's the worlde live in. having said that cbo does not score anysavings from prevention andhe rest. as we put the bll forward, we want to know that ouroal is to lower cost, impro quali and make america healthier. so we have other validations.

omb, acadecnd other diinguished institution who can quantify exactly how much the hundreds of billions of dollars of savingsre andme of the initiativese take. so we will respect what the score says. we will put it in e context of aarger context. some in the congrs want to direct scoring to include the benefits of revention, for exame, andarly intervention. and we haveo have that score before we go forward. that's part of what we're iting for for the p fors d cbo scoring, what the bl will cost. it doesn't - as i said, i told meers as recently as ts morning, squze out what you can out of the system. savings, savings, savings. d then we have to estabsh priorities. and that's very challenging.

otherwise the bill is endless. so we have to containit. and it must be paid for. >> -- deal with pharmaceutical company -- we'v been watcng speaker of the house nancy pelosi answer questionmost prompt naenln heth care, the economy, cia, that the c repeatedly lied to congress, mislead them and conseemed, actions. got aspirited show ahead. i always invi a coost. i'm happy to invite richard wolf, msnbc contritor and now "new york time best selling author. fieeks it is? >> five week now. >> not b at all. if you haven't picked up a copy do so we'll talk about a variety o people you talk aut in the book. want to bring in congresswoman

. councilwoman, very good to e you. anks for joining us. >> thanks for havi me. >> ngresswoman,his is an unusual action. what strk me most abo your letter to leon panetta, i claims n only did they mislead congress in 2002 but last month or so the cia was conaling significant tions. is that rig that is part of the critique? >> that's exacy right. to his crit, le panetta came bere the intelligence committee and talked about a program that had never been to ress since 2001 untilthe dahe came to us, which s june. we we asking him not to take responsibility for prior administtions, prior dirrs

ofhecia, and to tke back his atement that the cia does not in policy or practice mislead or lie to the congress. >> congresswom schakowsky, is th significant enough there needs to be wholesalehange even in the nks of career officers of the a or, there needs to be major review of the cia in the ielligence community simir to what we saw in the 1970s with the church coission? >> actuall i think what we have right now with leo panta is a cia at if the congress is allowed to do its oversight and work with the director, mst of e rankan file people of the cia are doing their job. it was the leadership of the c under theast adminisation where one afr anotherthat did not inform the congress of very important information, which, of course, is classified and as well it ould be. we were objecting to the fact

that we can't do our job in our oversight capaci as congress. let's rember we represent the entire cgress because everyone else- and the entire public in doing that oversight role. we object very much to this past history of misleading. lying directly to the congress. >> congresswoman schakowsky. i'm joined by my guest host who has a question. >> congressman, you're supposed to ha oversight over the agcy. what recrse do you have if the next cia director dides not have a good relationshipith coress. are those oversights enoh as it stands. >> it is a violation ofhe national security act not to promptlyn realtim inform the congress of the united states. one of the reasons we want t chge the policies that says cuently that just a few members can beinformed, to make sure that the enti commiee

gets informed, and therefore we'll be able to act on the inrmatio you're right, though, it's ver hard. if the cia does adopt a practice of lying to congresthen -- that's why we feel it's very important that people tell the trut now ande held accountable for past action. >>congressman, what do you say to republicans, the reality is you have democrats, no republicans thatigned with you. this is a an effort to cover nancy pelosi's flank given critique tha hapned on whether orot the cia misled her as she claimed. >> this has absolutely nothin to do withongresswoman pelosi. the issue inlved has nothing to do th that. this is about the iegrity of our intelligence communitynd the role of the commiee. and so we're going to be discussi whether or not we need to have a full blown

vestigion about the reporting to congress, which is the essential component here. there really is nothing to do with this partilar situation that the republicans haveade to a political issue. >> councilwoman, we he to go. but before we go, m told that like me, you're a loverf dogs. in fact, y may hve a couple of en reiers whoeep you busy. >> that's exactly right. you, too? >> me,too. only because my niece les them so much. so anyhow, from one dog lover to another, i wanted to thank yo for coming on today. >> from luc and budd fairll >> have a go one, a ni summer. >> thank you. >> we turn rht now tother issues as well having ju spoken with ngresswoman schakowsky about t cia, ether or not the cia misled. richard, i thought wha the congresswomahad to say was fairly significant. she's saying there were sere coverups, and tha even under democratic administration you saw that happen. >> what ts is bout, what she

said was this was a new program previously undisclosed, not what nancy pelosi was talkg about. >> very interesting. we're ing to shift gears and go to aaron burnettut in sun valley where i wish i was somemes. erin, good to see you. >> good to see you, car how are you? >> good. not as good with you out with l the moguls in sun valley at are they saying about the onomy thi allen & company sun valley conference has been famous for giving birth to a t of major mergers, business moves ov the years. are they feeling as -- are they feeling pluckyer than the rest of america o much ofamerica? >> i likeur choice of words, plucky there. as you say,t's been 27 years they have had this conference. often it's referred t as a media conference. it is mch more than that you've got everne from the president

of columa, king o jordan, ceos from coca-cola, air american express,eneral electric, major players from disney, newscorp., brry diller, all ofem are here. what i think t main them is, carlos, i'm sorry to say this, the weather ma be beautiful but the moods not. the mood is pretty cloudy i think theyre hopeful over the longer ter in the near term, the market has come soar since march. everyone is ng the economy will start to grow by the end of the year. i don't hear anyone here buying into that arument. most of them seem t say ty don't see any reasonhy the market has come so far or any reason for growth. american express tolde he doesn't see gree shoo at all. stabilization is ere. he thinks that's important to phasize but he doesn'tee any improvement. most of the people saying forget gre een, wre talking moss and mold, pretty grim in terms of the economy.

>> last quti, whore the new hot guys? every year a different gup o hedge fundguys, venture capitalists. whis new, wasn't a major player lastyear or three yes ago. >>ebron james isre alo wi his two little children. he's got a venture so he's going to be speaking. he wants t soa in everything he's hearing fro media moguls. la bron is here. also a guyamed evan williams who appears to be getting his sea legs and meeting all these people for the first time. the reason you may not know his nameut you know what h does, twitter, the ubiquitous a incredibly popar 140 character or less communication method. doesn't rlly have renue stream bill gates from microsoft, amazon, all the usual players. one otherlayer i know you'll probably be inrested in, cory booker, mayor of newark is here. i'm going to be talking to him

this aftnoon. he's one of the hot topics at the conference. a lot of oxford, cory bng a rhodes scolar, our nextguest, richard here an oxford gr. erin, thank u for joining us. >> okay. great to see u. >> good toee you. naacp and the obama affect. is t naacp still relevant in the era of obama. how happy, northbound, are rican-americans with the oama presidencyo far? wool talk to t naacp president in a few moments. watching "msc live i'm carlos wsoso crt t whitestrips has created a revolutionary strip that stitito your teeth h so wl yoyou can ev drink wateter th ion. necrt whitestrips advaed seal. get a dramatically whiter smile ilile you do just abouout anything.

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yet on thehe campapaign where w would ask hi what are you going to o do specifically to hp african-amamerican he said say, you ow, african-americanss want the same thing as white folk betterealth care, better jobs. is thatenough? shshld doomething specificalally? >> if he takeses care of at, yeyes. we're the canaries s the c coa mine. you te care of allhe mine, things get better for us, , oo. if he can fix thee schools. he can make sure the justice system is truly fairn thi couny, if he can get our country back to work agaiain, tt wille grt. wewe're alsopushing m, becausus the realility if you simly fix main street and youon't bail out t and fix back streetets, t we'll ststl he twice as mamany black peopop out of w work as w ve white people. if we'r now ivesting hundreds of billilionsf erybody's dollars s to fixing this economy, then tt dispary has to come down. >> then the majojor convention that arts for yo this weeekend and wi run througugh next eek, tell u usbout this i i the fil

secondss here about naacp'ss celeleation. >> this is acrazy time. people want more hope b more hope brings moo frustrationon when theow keeps gogoing down and people keep getti thrown out of work. so 're goingo celebrate 100 years progressof we're going have ouour first plaque attornrn gegeral, our firstst blac gornor f fmhere and in massachusetts and our first black president. we'rgoing to celebrate allll of at. at thehe same ti we're going to talk about good jobs, g gd schohools, fixixg the justice system so it wororks f f a of us. >> i have a feelelgwe'll be seeing you the convention inn new york, talking to folks about doing that. thanks s so much foroining us today. thankyou. >> ben jealous,,reside of the naacp nvening 100th conventioio beginning satuturday a runninin through nene week. > coming up, who shld foot the billor climate change?

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weome back to "msnbc live." i'm carloswatson. the investigatioion into mhael jackson'death is far from over. investators are looking into the cause of his death are concentrtrating jackson's rsonal doctorors. now, mususic journalistnd pop culture exexpert toure is annsnc contributor. kan desoto is a defense attorney and f former prosececu. i'm join again by today guest co-h-host, with richard wolflffe. toure, we've g got to get into . yesterday, y you weren happy with me. u said i hadad teeny, tininy heart asas we talked about the memori. but i ththink you sunderstood me. >> oy. we, let's set the tale. >> letet's go ahd and set the table. because you said youou didn't believe paris jacksos emototio was honest andnd real. u said it was a set, that she was acting in some way,y, t yoyou were uoved byy pis jackson. i thk, perhaps, the only peon in america -- >> now, time-out, time-out.

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