join us agai tomorrow at 5:00 and 7:00 easternor more "hdball." right no it's time for "the ed show" with ed schults. i'm ed schults, this is "the ed show. go evening, americans, live from 30 ro in n york, it's the ed show." breaking news this hour,oland burris says is not going to seek reelection. we'll get reaction rig off t top of the show tonight. nancy pelosi isvindicated, the cia director admitsongress was misled. nority leader john boehner admitse's using this conflict for political gain. we'll hear from a mocrat and a republican from the house intelligce committee in just a moment and a new poll shows the economy seem to be taking its toll o president obama's pularity.

vice predent joeiden doing damage control. an we'll talk with ohio congressma dennis kucinich at e bottom the ho and a republican sex scandal ts dirtier an more complicad. there's another nator legedly involved? plus how about sarah palin on the front cover of "time" magazi. a great panel cong up, but first,onht, op ed. how about th? the cia has been concealing, let's see what's anoer good wo forncealing? ding, operations from the congressince 2001. now, gosh, what was happening back in 2001? i think we were getti ready to go intwar, wen't we? let me tell you something, is is no longer an inside the belty political fig. thisuts right t the chase, ts right to the fabric, to the re of the issue of how we run our country and how our vernment operates. and, by the way, who was calling th shots? the writis all along have had the target and that target has

beenouse speaker nancy pelosi. back in may, pelosiai the cia gave h misading and inaccurate information. republans claimed s knew everything aut torture all along. now leon patta told members of coress there has not beenull discsure. now, this is a reversal because ck on may 15th, leonpanett said this. it is not our policy or practe to mislead congress. no panetta has changedis tune somewhatupportg at pelosi has said allalong. mbers ofhe hous intelligence comttee believe laws were broken anthey want answers. joininme on the pho because there's votes at thi ur, jan shi cow ski from the hill. she also chairs theommittee on oversit and investions. congresswoman, good have you wi us tonight and i areciate your time. i know you're voting at this ho. so we've gotou on the phe here. there's a deloping story out your state.

senator roland burris hasust announced he is not going to seekreelection. now, congresswoman, i realize th you have said thatyou're nogog to run for the senate, but does this announcement change your situation at all? no, and the rean it doest is because i right in the midd of the work on the heah care bill that's coming up. all of the things i' been working on and waiting for all of my life are ppening rely some of them in the next couple of weeks. and so i'm not changing my plans to run for senate. but i do realize that roland buis has, you know, made a b decisi. and i think it's a wise decision for the stateof illinois and for him, as well. becausthe lling made it perfectly clear it would have been veryhard for him to compete well in a prar and i think it would have been hard in a generalelection. we want to keep that seat mocratic. >> so yo weren't surprised at all by thisannouncement based on what's going on? >> no. i thoughtt might come later

but i'm glad it's coming now. can you throw a name out on the ed show onho you think would be a goodreplacement for thsenate seat? >> well, i'll tell you what it looks lie. would sayhe treasurer has announced that he'soing to run or aleast set up an exploratory committee, and chri kennedy, the s of b kennedy has certainly made moves that hs looking at tat seat. who knows, underhe new circumstances, with lisa madigan our attorney general not runnin there stil may be more entries to the race. so we're watchi. >> congresswoman jan schowsky, i want to ask you aut the most recent revelation that the cia has beenhiding an conceing operationsm everyone i the congress since 2001. what doeshis call for athis point? >> well, i think at it cls for an investigation, fst, anyway, by our inteigence committee. and the chairman has said that he'sollecting all of the facts d will be looking into havin

an investigation. i've wrien a leter to him urging that tohappen. i do chairhe oversight investigation subcommittee. i' happy to dohat or a full committe this isserious. to not tellhe united states congress delibately, this wasn'tn oversight, this wasn't an accident, there was a decision me at the very top vels not to tellhe congre about a very sious operation. which, of course -- >> i have to ask you, do you ink that this deals with information in the run up to wa in the invasion in i it gsackto 2001. this isn just about torture. >> yeah, i really am notoing to talk about what was init. youknow the time period that's happened right aft the terrible tragedie 9/11 is whenhibegan. but i -- it would be areach of my oath to telwhat's going . but it's serious enougthat for eight years, in fact, it was

when leon panetta s finally briefedn it. after servg already almost six months in his job, he wasold about it finally. heame down and informed the congress >> you know, conswoman, i thinthe's probably a bunch of americans out the tonight thatre wonderg, did someone take over our government aer september 11th, 01? an then all of a sudden it n by just the -- and the congress was lft out of the loop totally? and is was a 180 by leon panetta and i think it exonerates nancy pelosi. your thought on that. >> thiss one of three serious breaches ony less thanhr years on the intelligence committee. where the c actually lied or failed to tell us or misled the congress or the united state so, you ow, let the listeners judge. nc pelosi said that ther were regular, you know, regur misleading of thecongress. and i just want to s too that

on both des of the aisle, members ofhe house elect committee on intelgence have be outraged each and every ti this has happened. >> okay, congresswoman jan schakowsky, thanks for jning us tonight. > earlier today, house speake nancy pelosi held a press conference and was aed about is situation. here's the question and sponse. e said, s, misleading the congress of the united states misleading the congress he united stas,'m quoting what the head of the ciasaid. what they briefed us perhaps they should release th briefing. and sh says -- she went on to say that i would be very happy if they would release e briefing and then you wi see whathey briefed one time o anotin the house and the senate and the rest. and so it gets more interesting as time goes on congssman mike rogers is joing us now. he's also a member of the hse intelligen committee. he's the ranking mber of the

subcomttee on terrorism and counterterrori. and human intellence. congressman, whas your thoughts now with this new development and a reversal that we've had b leon panetta, the cia direor? >> well, i'm not suret was a reversal. i have to tell you i think there'a little political theater here. i was in thatbriefing, you know, rushed d because this urnt announcement. and i think ere's re questions toask. but let tell you this, this was a program that nev fully got engage it was canceled at some point, tried to bring back at some point. it never really reached ev close to what its concept wa and i still have qutions if they're even obligated to brief thcongress. so i think when you me out and sayhings like they sled, which is a crime, they lied to congress, which is a cri. there was nothing -- and i'm a form fbi guy and i take t fas seriously, there was nothing inhat briefing that led me to that conclusion. there would have to be a lot more to it than what was briefed

r members to in good conscience say the cia was lying and there was sstematic lying, none of it. i didn't seethat. >> congressman, i have to ask you, whats leon panetta talking about the he is saying that the congress was withheld inrmation all the way back to 2001. aru denying a >>no, no, what i was exactly at i said to begin with. there was a program that in ept started in2001. >>now, i have ask you, you're sing a program, it was just a program, there wasn't any other informatn that thers been fu sclosure all t way thugh to the intelligce committees? >> ll, i don't know what i don't know, but i d't have any indication that's ue. >> okay, would you be in favor of an investigation by the investigating committee of the telligce committee? >> o sure, i think there's more qstions to ask, no problem th that. >> where' the political theate here? >> well, let me tell you what haened. obviously yohave this letter where they called and sid no, no, no you need the seven ers, you needto recant the facthat the cia is truthful.

well, that' a bit much and at happened rht after. and then there wa a letter written byhe chairman twoay ago, slipped under the doors of e republicans after the offices re closed. >> are you talkin about sylvester? >> i am. >> so he slipped the letter under the door? >> yes, and it used the words i have dermined that w have been misled and li to and at least one incidentn relation to mr.panetta's tesmony. >> are you saying that th the chairman of theouse intel committee is playing political games with thatstory? >> i uldn't clear -- i could clrly drawhat conclusion given what the briefing was and what conclusion he came to, eve you justd you thine ought to have more questio answered. >> oh,absolutely. i think ere's more questions than answers right now, but i nd it interesting that- i mean here you got thehairman of the committee sayin that the cia lied and you'renot so sure about that. so i think it does call foran investigation. o, i think we out to get to the bottom ofit. but i find i convenient it happened now and ty used the sa words the speaker di bere. i used to be an fbi agent o the

street. you get up there and kick around the folks and call them liars and cheats and criminals, it has impact on what they do. we're asking tse people to go overseas and risk their lives to geus information. we ought haveore respect for them. >> i think the americapeople, congressma just want to know if somebody took over our government and therwas a bunch of seccy and thngress was le o of the loop in 2001. i thinthat's a fair question. >> i tell you,e've been briefed on more extensive, more impactful progrs than what this one was. and you to understandthat. so there was not thipattern of not telling us thgs. we werbriefed on programs that had serious consequences and used t same law of which the concept of this program that didn't work very well and never got run. >> congressman mike gs, thanks f joinin s. let's tn to ja rice. your take on this tonight. what does this all mn if anhi? this back d for? you've got a retraction by the

cia director. >> yeah, this ivery serious, ed. when leon panetta says we made a stake, not he, but the cia made mistake that theyidn't give all of the information. there may have bn more, they didn't provided then actually that they gave lse formation, something that provided was n accate. threal question is exaly who ove this. was it t briefer orriefers to congress directly? was it somebody at the central intelligence agency heauarters sang this is what u're going to say.this is wha you're going or was it somebody at the white use who then told those brfers, you're going tdo is? this is verymportant because you said this at the beginning of your program. e bottom line he is not just about transparency but accuracy. thecia has anblation and haalways had an obligation to provide th information to thesintellence communities. and when they don't, we have very, very serious problem. that dick cheney has been so vocal and visle i the last six months? >> isn't it interesting when all of a suddehe has this newfound

desire for ansparency. well, u know what, welcome to the room, baby. let's see at we've got and see exactly whe this came from and all ofhe orders came from too. thanks for your me tonight, appreciate it so much. former cia agent wh us on t edhow. comingup, thelot thickens in the affr. there waeither hu money or exrtion. whatever yant to call it, but the total was $10000. and now involves a fellow republican senator. what's going on here? we've got all of the juicy details ene come back here on the ed show.

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all right. how far doeoeshiso?o? coburn's involvement? and is there a possibililityff some ethicic b behior being chchalngng? >> w wel that's really likikee big thing this story today. usually you haveve revelation like this a andheheffair and it g goi to hurt ensign. really the newsoday i huing burn. sisigns goingto facace senana hics investigation, h he' facing callsininis own state er t th thg, and crew filed a requeue for - toininveigate e e senator. but coburn gettingg wrapped up n th is really a problbl for him. the two arere very cclo.. cobuburnofof crse, hashahared a lot of information baa and foh or this and h h appapantntlynown for over a a yr out the affair. so the rerealproblem anand velation is cobururn' inlvement. >> letet'sololw the money. y youhink it's legal? >> welll,nn termrm o of the lelity, we're t tlklking about nene beinin transferrered from

ensign's's parentsoo thisouple each in l li 22,0 dedeminations, which is, bebelie, the lowest --'m'm sorry, the highest amount ey could d dondnd n have it be taxexe the legalityy o it,t, y know, that's going to be determininedy the ethics committtteendnd so rtrth. >> reporteter:owowo we knowow i' nono extortion? how do we know that? > wl, we don't know unless we know the relationsns he coerersaons, unless we knoww exactly y wh t the dede w was a of corse, coburn and ensign have hit backk saying it's b be mimiscracterized. ththeye e t corresponding with the story that'seiei told byby mpmptoand others. d d ssou know, thhis still is unfolding. itit a bad thing forensign, we'r're lklkg about montnths of unfolding possssib o othis. sure. >> anytiti you have a a scandal lili this thehe kind of drib dr that's's lls yo if i it gets out immediatelel y can survive thesese things, but it's dayayafafteday andews cycle after nene c cyc.

>> a any indicationon from e e ensigngn oicic as tohahat he'ss going to do? is he plalanng g on staying in? is pressure m moting for him to resign? y younow, from t the ensigign office sofar,r, ty'y' not realally respononngng t any caas for him m torereigign. i thinink atat something you're ing to see rampmpp towards ththe end of thhis week. maybe begeginngng next week f f those in the statete f fir.. you'll see thahafrfromhe state rarath t tn senate colleagues. what i'd be most w woied about, thghghif w werhimetetti corn wrapped into this. if thehere a any hint t trere's sort of planning an plottingng between those two, i's's bad buness for otot >> ththanyou, anandy andy barr. >> next, psychoho talk, wen republblics,s,hen they start taing about science,t really gege inresting. a right w wng state nator from arizona gave uss adandy autut the earth in uraniuiumimini. stay with usus. you haveve questio. who can give youhe financial advice you need?

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generation, , atat m mstst bour legacy for geraratis toto come. meanwhwhe,e, back i i washshingt, , imate change lelegiation has stalled inn t t sesena, work onthth bill hasas been postponed untiafafr the augugustececes new senanato al frankenf miesesa met withth s supme court nominee s son sotomamayor day. nator franken isn theenate judiciary omommiee, that means he'll take p parinin t judge's nfnfirtion hearings that willl start next week. dd use speaker nanayy pelosi guaranteed, guaranteed t that hethth ce bill that comes out of the house wiwill ilulu a publicic oioion. >> congress is moving with comprehensive e hethth reform tt provides affordabilily,y, accessibility, quality, and i i will have coomi out of the usus a public option, a public option is by onnaname o or a ar is e eenentio the s sucssss of real rrefm m th will work for the american people.

>> te speaker a also saidshshe still itetes to geteaealtcare leleslslatn through the house fore their august breaeak. lessring inour panel toninight, dememoctitic strateg jamal simmons, cnbc chief washingtonooespondent john harwoooowiwiths tonight, and alalsoololital writer foror the "n"neworork mes" and pupublan strategist ronon christy i with tonight. 'll start thth you. president obama, i is he mkikin so head way on c clim changnge? are weetting some pplple onn board with thee united states? or should we s say that we're finallyy g getng onboard? h h m makg head wa there? whwh do you think?k? > ihihinkt's too early say. this is a keyey priority y rr t president, andnd o t thi he wanted to t tlk about with hi heads of state orr in italy. ththe ing i'm concerned about, glob c cmate change. you're going t timpose thiss sort of a ca these severe restririctnsns tt will papact amerericanndndtry and our economy, you have e make suree that inina, india, and some of the other d delelopg nationsarar al g goi to come on board. itl l interesestg g to s w wha these leadads s dede as they sit wn over the next couplple

days. it too hard andnd too early f meo say whether or nono he's establishehe any meaningful ogress. >oeoes it ma the president t t min almost an untenablele position to go overseas andtatak about climimee anangeyet when ss paparty in por, he's hangng problem gettinin it rough, cap and adad whatever you want to callit? >>wewe know that a capnd trade ll for carbon emissionsns an kind of limitatatis s isxtremely didiiciculto achieve lilically. alrereadththe ministration has gotttten wttt can claim as a susuess in the house pssssag of the bill. senate passage is gogogg to be tough, which is why barbara boxerelayed it til september. t t i ink we've seen in thee house bill henry axaxn and democratic colleagueue st of fyfy t odds and expectatioions in how ridly they got th ththugh. so i d don t thi you can rule that out. its critical,,though, ron's pointhh for thehenited states toto achieve the p policaca consensus s a acton this th've got tohahave buy in omom chchinand indidi and other

developing cntries. >hahat youou inin jjam, how is the presidenent dog g this issue? > well, hee d dn't sound like had, you knonow, triumphed on ts ise in his remarks earerer bubut i do think he -- r r i is right in this s oioi. weoo have togege china and indidia board. ey are emitting g a lot of t emissions we've e got to worrrr ababt.t. atathe same time, ththouh,babara obama has do moreinin the decrcratin the congress have done moren the last sixix m mons ththaneoeoge bush did foror eig ars. if he d not p pled usutut o the process, w we might have b ableo get these fos on board. we've got to bring the rest of the world to our sie. but we c'to bck t the bush era, and i think the obama administration is dog well on that front. >> i don't know how you're going get china on board when we owe them boat load of money, but that's a side story. ase move forward with this situation with the cia, wher ould the congressgo? and how much of a problem would this be for the obama administrationith the

democratic base if they dede not to pursue what the cia has not to the cgress since 2001? >> y, i think if you're barack obama, the white house staff, nancy peli, you want this issue too ay. it a distraction from the things like energy legislatn and health care that they're trying to achieve. so i recognize that somen the democratict want to have a full throated discussio of these issues and wheth the cis been tthful, but you notihat it's republics o have beenrying to keep this ise alive a lot more than democrats. but this letter helps nay pelosiy providing backup for her claim, but they don't want prolong the diussion. >> ron, what doyou think of the reversal made by the a dictor leon netta? >> well, i think it's too early for us to come to any sort of firm conclusion about what may or may not hahappened. i think the gut that you had on eier in t show, mike roge, a very senior member of congress, a former fbi agent had right.

i think the cgress eds to investigate thisssue more clely. i think e congress should take a ok at t, but we shouldn't rush to political judgmt because, ed, the men a women who are in t c w are protecting the amerin people ar hit timend time again and i thinit's a disaction to the ameran people to keep hearing, oh, t cia lied. t's get to theottom of the facts and not make any political thear. >> i don't think it's e people insi the cia that lied, it the people that left the cia at came over to the hill that didn't fullydisclose anything. i don't think that's what we're talking about. now jamal simmons, what about this reversal? she id all along she was given inacrate information and it comes out under testimonyy leon panetta that, hey, we haven't told you everhing, we've been concealing stuff nce 01. >> it certaly does strenhen thespeaker's case, and i think here's the one thing. this is o of the reasons why the american public was so eager to get rid orepublans in the white hoe. bebecae e wenow that thererhahae

been a lot off t tings thatave happppeded or the course of the lastst ehtht years,ee don'tnow alall the details, butwe know that the b bhhwhite house didn't get it all riht. atat'sne of theasons why back obama's s sitng therere. dd ihink onon panetta he himselelf pretty well by releasing this and tting this out.t. so we do need to know who o di what and when n an i i tnkhehe questionon i was it t theiia fault? or was it the people in the e white house who dederethe cia not to release the information? a a right. shshelalaims that thehe media's bugging g he a all the time a nt fair to her, but this picture on the front cover of time magazize looks pretty irir. she'scacaed the renegade,, iis sarah palin. she was so bothered by the media, she hadadtiti to pose fo ththatover story. john harwowoodi i dot know whatt you think, i nt to know whwh you thihink,, but it seems to m she's vivi this attentioion right now. and itt certainly i istt hurtin the republicanan >> she's absbsolelel loving it and going toove it to t the bank. if y youeearah palin,n, it is ain she cares a lot less about what she was hirededby the votes

to do in alaskaka than she i is ababou taking her mily off the spotlight, and i i tnk it's fairly safe asumption thaha shshe'gogog to enjoyaking a lot more money in the pivivat sector thanhe wldldas governor of alaskaka. whetheheoror n it's possible for her to resuscicitete h political career on the n nioiona stage, i'prpret skeptical ababttthat, but i'm not skktitica about her ability to makak a lotot of cash fairly qquilyly >> ron christy,his has been a great week f forararah palin. what's n negiviv about beingngo the front pageof "time" magazine. people chasisi h her fishing a everythihingelelse this is the mostst positive tin thth rublicans have had cooking in the m med for a long time. >> i don't know a autut thth. i i on hopedwewe'd goonon day o msnbcwhere we didn't't tk k abt sasahh palin. i think jn'n's right. i think in the afrmath of h he decision too s sp dodown ihink shshe'going to travel in the lower 48.8. she's going toraise a lot o of money fofo t the party, rarais t of money f fer family. sarahh p pal's's gng to just

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in the racis on in pennsylvania. i love this story, i love competition. congreman came on the show back in may on "the ed ow" and announced he was most likely gointo challenge arlen specter in the democratic senate primary. well, it's now official, the congressman s said uneqvocally he is in the ace. nowe'll see howood a democrat arlen specter . and i can tell you where joe stan on theublic option, and polls in nehowed arlen spectes favorable ratingat a 17-yealow with pennsyanians. i think there is an opening here forthe gressman. thers question about it this would be an easy race. he has the support of president obamand governor of pennsylvania ed rendell. listen to what ed rendell said back in may about this race. >> i'm a gat admirer of joe

and i'm going to work hard to get hireelected when he runs for ngress next year, not for the senate. joe should notun for the senate in the democratic primary, he'd getkilled. >> wow. let's nd out how the congssman plans to mount the challeng against specter. he is joing us by the phone. joe,ood to have youith us. >> thanks a lot. >> understand that you just got back from touring pennsylvania, rural pennsylvania, it taks a ek to get ahold of you. wh are the folks out there sang about this race. are they encouraging you to do th? >> oh, wthout any queion. there is great unease, andou w it reflected in poll that you just said whe people actually say, wait a minute, we actually do ne a choice and more fro that there's some buyers remorse in the rank and file i've been to about 36 of the7 counties so far, got back in it at about 2: a.m. this morning, back down to washingto to the votes today, and erybody seems

to be saying, look, how about giving us an oppornity to vote for someonewh is really demoat. everybody is a of a sudden saying he might have be a fine republican as we wou look at him from this side, but all of a suen he's converted. >> congressman, congrsman -- >> we don't feel realy comfortable. >> what are you haring about public option and a insurance plan that would give the public an option to jump in a go against the private sector? what are you hearingrom pennsylvania? >> everybody wants it. i hear across the board, here's why. in pennsylvania, particularly, 70% are all privat health care plan are in two companies across pennsylvania and we know i we're 42%of the populationthe phadelphia region, one company ha 70% and everyone's talng about w much our health premiums's gone up 83%the past seven years and he hasn'tone anythi to address this issue. everybody's for this,et me tell you. >> will you support the oyee

freehoe act? >> i co-sponred it. >> you will? >> without a question. they can ppor compromise, d they want it, i will, i've always said that. but themployee free choice act, we have% of thetime if someone tries to orgaze according to president bush's narb they are intimidated. >> the franklin mahall poll came out and asked folks if arlenpecter deserved reelection. back in junee was at 28%, bk in march, it was at 40%. yes. >> and then the questi about therimary voers, which wa would they go 33% wth specter, 13 wkt with you, but the undecidenumber is 8%. n you defeat speer in a senate primary? >> i would not get in unless knew i wou prevail at the end. and two otr ece of information have been outhere in the polls. one them in that poll you

just cited saidif anne knew whjoe setak and specter 42% for specter. 67% of t people inhe democratic primary said who vod in that poll for him said if a credible alrnat we wi ve for him. >>congressman, great to have you with us tonight. >> great to be back. >> now the make-up of this, folks, is verynteresting. let's see whe specter stands on a public option. t's see where he standsn the ployee free choi act. two issues that you just hrd joe sestak i adamantly behind and will work withhe uons of the worki folk. and we'llind if r specter is a real good democrat or not. coming up, joe biden got aggressive inohio today went afr republicans for offering nothg but a tax. congressman dennis kucinich will join m on "the ed show" wn we come back. depressioon isa a rious medical coitit

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dropping a litttt bit. an averagege o 59% of indedepeenentspproved ofththe jb he was dongng that's down 4 4 popoin from the averagage i i y. let's nmiss the forest heher folks, the president stllasas ee support o 59%% of inindendnden. but it comes on the hes of pretet b badumbers out in ohio. these n numrsrs are a all about ececomomy. showows inayayhat 57% o ofhe pepelele apprprovedff howhehe presididt t wa h hdling the economy, thatt dropopped too a peenenge rate,, dd at 4848%, they say they disapprovov ofof w he's handling g thececony. jojoeiden hit the rdd to talk up the stimimulusacacge and hi back a aththe publican critics. >> what w wou they do? would they repee the tax c cut for 5% ofhehe american people ce again? give it to the wealthiesest americans? well, ladies and gentlememen, would they do nonothg?g? i hear nothing.

other ththanhehe cticism. i hear noinin affirmatative. ladies andnd gtltlem, didn't take this jo back didn't tkeke this job to dodothing. wewe tk k th job to rebuild erica. th's's wt this is about. >> joioingng now on the phone isis oo congressman and formrme presidential candidatat dennis kucinich. good to have you wi us, i kow vos are going o onanan that's why you're on thephone onight. yoyou lklks e wowoining. but congressman, dodo you think the administration i doing everything it can inour state of ohio to getethehe enomy crankiking ainin? well, of crsrsit can do momo.. but we have to r reali t tt stimulusus meyey i in o oio has goingg t to absorb the costff other 200,000 p peopomen and children t to dicaid. fundnds arbebeg released acrdrdinto governmnmen accocotatabity office even faster to ates and agegenc d anticipated. buyoyoknow what?

's not enough, . weweavav too have a a new dalal program m to put llllio of people back to work rebuilding america. and i think thiss where the administratition ioing t to hav to take another l looktt the economiceeedff t t country ddddress10% nenempyment directlyly, address e need for $2.5 tririioion to $3 tlllln and get t amicica ck to work. and if it d des th,, the ononom will statart pickckinup. but right nnow ohio has a a lotf prlems, no question abououitit. >>well,l, a you favor of a second stimulus pakaka? orre y y talklkin aout sosomeing great tananhat we've already put out t terereo the tutu of $70 billion. >>he first stitimuluhaha$70 billion. we ne a m maive injectionon of infrastrtructu building. there are n new delsls. we've b bltlt a good pa of america. brididges,atat sysysts,s, sewer syememroads, and you know,w, reclamatation ojojts, there's so much that c can be done.

anweweeed that right now. we needd too put people back to work. > where the democrats faingng right noww at rebldldg this economy? we need to do moe.e. it's notenough. anani think the a adnistration isistataing toto c cee to the rerealation that as muchas they elelhey've ddon they're going to have to do mme. and ththat means thate've got to geget erericback to work. when youou he e miions of people t t ofork, unemployment goingg 10% and perhaps even highererin many aasas across t t couryry we just haveve too moror and i've been sayiying ts s om the beginning, ed, we've g got eaeat portunity to take a a page ououof the neeal and put llions of people backckoo work rebuilding america, , itl l stimulate the e ononom imimdiately, it'll help sisinees, it'll help the mmerce of the cocouny, dd we ed to put provisions on trere to make susuree e buamerican. >> congressmanan kunich, if those j jobsreret rereat, is the e obam administrtratioanante democrcratinin tuble in ohio? >>ou know, i have to tell l you. i ininit's about where t the

americic p peoe are going to have an ececony y th is goinggo meet their needs. you know, fofo jjobs, f for hea care, foreducation. and ee economy has t toe directed t towar t tt. and i'm m hofuful at this presidency of barara obma's, which h is sllllit's still new. that he's going be focusing en moronon creatingng programs to get people baback work and rebubuilngng arica. >> c cgrgresan, good to have yu with us onight, thankso muh.h. >> goodd talk. you t.t. f forore let's g get backoo r panel tonight, jalal simmons, andnd r christy. john harwowo, , itounds like it'setetng petty roughgh for the president and thehe administration. it is all aboutjobs.s. what's the timetable? when do we havavto see t the nuers turn around >> this is a timing proboblemm e administratatio bause thth expect uneloloent riisi through next spspngng. itit'soing to keep goinggup. i talked tooyy to hryry wman, senini m memr of the use,

chairs the energyyndnd commemere commititte he says if thehe economists tel us weed a secondd ststimusus we ought to do o a ande can get th votes, b buttt h the popotentl l exacerbate t t nuererof independents, they'ree concerned about t the deficit a u have to wait while f thatat smumulu to wok. > ron christy,y, arehehe democrats s ans t t obama administration faiaili w with t ececonic recovery plan? or is the jury still out? >> well, i thinkboth. viously they told t the american peoplele thaififhey passed the stulul recoverery pn that ununplploynt wouldn't go abovov 8%, now you have i it a 9.5%, d many p prectctin it'll be well over 10% inn next ar, a i think k sml window n eyey sd the american peoeoeeon why y theyeeded the stimumus.s. what t they omised has been delirere and i thinink dependents now they thinknk t ty want to c cut fuzz of the deficit r ratr than put a health h care bill throug. the obamam administrationn i i esestition has about six more months b bororeeople start rning againstt em on their stimulus paagage. >> is the secondndtitimus package on theheway? >> i don't knonow if itt eminen

or notot. we might need a little more time. the stimulus package they put place, t two-ye programthat got about -- t white house saying they've got aut 25% of the stimulus funds already ligated. in ohio whe joe biden was today, $80 million in contracts of 52 ntracts have been lent in the state. tax cuts, $43 billion in tax cuts, $ billion in aid for states medicare, they're moving money. i woullike tsee some of it get out thedoor a little bit faster. i think they are obligated the funds and getting itout the doors. >> this might be a politic opening, you neverknow f the reblicans. this is jn boehner today on what's happening in histate. >>r. president, where are the jobs? the ainistration promid a stimulusould keep unemployment below 8% they promid it would crea jobs mediately, it's clear now that the administration was wrong. thbottom line is this, the stimulus isn't creatingnough

jobs. >> well, johnharwood, i think that the vice president nt to ohio for a rean today. they can't lose the chamber out ther they've got to keep convincing fkshey've got the answer. >> aolutely, and they believe that they wil get a bigger ba from the stimulus as the months go on and that, in fact, the economy is rovering. but how long a people going t be patient and give them time beforehey s to president obama and the congss you've got to do something else >> ron, doesh put pssure on the obama administration to make sure they get public option in t health care bl? that wouldhange a lot of lives in ohio. >> i think it might, but ion't think they have the otes to get it through the senate the way it's currely drafted now. there areany centrist democrats. i think they're in a difficult spot rht now. gives us republans an openin we've been looking for. >> jamal, what do you think? >> i think the first time of this year, wre losing jobs, 700,000 jobs a month,hat number's has been gog down,