good e evening. >> good eveneng, keh. i am t tryingo figure out how get into t that pattern of generosity wititut doi what ththe hampton family appepes t hahave had to do to get ere. >> okay. i'm goinghome. thanks, bye. >> bye, keith. thanyou. ththank yoat home for staying with u u for the next hour. as keith intimed, the john ensi scandal tippeded over into denitely not yourarden variy sex scandal t territory today. we will tatalk with thevegas reporter at the centnter of th story, a a to thean who secretly infililtrated the secretive r religio group that so features inn this scandal, and that has draggeded another conservative republican seenato besides john ensign n to thi scandal. alsojoined this hoho by formal coununterterrism czar richard clark and nbc chiefeforeign corrpondent r richard eel here to tk about today's latestt round of protests in iran. all coming upp in what is shapig to be vevery, very big hur onhis show.w. butt start tonight withh new

detaililand new admissions f fr republican senatoror john sign todaday about is sexex an ethic scant that apars to b be starting to coconsume hi if a polititicianas anaffaiair, that in itseses not nececearily newsworthyhy. not anmore than it w would be i it happened t to ay other humum bein a politicianan's affr becomes wswort if that politiciaian has built his or her career on the basis of his or her own superiorersonal morality. usading against the percved immorality o othe rest offus. in that casee a private affai beme as big nenewswort politicaproblem. it beces hypocry, and that type o of big newswsworthyolitil prproblem crsesber into a full-blown scandndal lik the on you're seeingng now in neva when you add inggravating ftors lili shtooping your suboorn kni and family membe of th sbosh knit.. exchange o of mon in connectiti

with shtooping anyone and paying fundwhatooks a lot l lkeush money, even if you're calling it a gift. that's what wemay have n nn the case of the john ensnsign affair. day th agessive nonon-partis watchdog group, etetcs in washington, anunced theyey're askinghe justice e department to launcnc a crimimi investation whether or not ensign illegally fneled cacampaignoney to his mistress the form of a 5,000-plus verance packag the revevetion that ensigs mistress got t this severance packe came from her husbanand into your during a aintervw that aird d last nht in nevada. muchore in a minute. afr thes 20ds,00000 severance claim dequestfor a iminal vestigation into thatt claim, john ensi's lawyer todaday released a ombshell statement that it wasn'n't just $25,000 worth of serve vince paid to his mistre cindyhaton. actutually, a t more than that.

it was 96,000. ththe kicker,r, that 6,000 was paid notut of campaiaign fuunds but t john sign's mom and da to his m mtress d her family. sesenator ensign's lawyeye coirmed todaday tt "aer the senator told h his paren about th affair his pararents dided to m make the ft out ofoncern for the well-being of longtime familyriends." can yoyoimaginthe phone call? mom,ad, here' thething. i i know politicians arare rlly od at asking foror money, butut- in termsof the legality and the hics here,nsign n ner reported any big severance payment tois mistress. if he to p p her a big severance payment, m more thanes25ds,000, that's the felony thrhold for that particular r crime h would bebeookingt five years in pron. now,w,f whas been called severancnce payment wasasn't pa t of campaign f funds a

actually j jt paidy check fromom thenator's mom, ankly, that not exactly a frequently askequestion on ethics queries dot org. we'll leavee that to the expertt wh it isif in f ft it is true.. the major question, bigg popoliticaquestion, whethther o not john ensnsign is feeling th prsure toe resisign. detatasf the "fair innd the llars thatollowe theaffair slly, slowly d dribble out. today ththsenateaid he woululdn't rign. but therere are oththerpeople w still need to o answeror their part in at reallyy loo like a cash for silence and continued shtoopg scheme. as farars we know this whole thing apeared to b be a veery transaction the rrelationsp. what johohensigneceived was - -- let's call it loveve anand also t fact that the affair was kept qui. whwhatohn ensn gave was cash. lots and lots of c cash.

and d doesn seem like it was s own. he gave campaign c ch to his stress cindy hamon. she worked onn ensign'n's re-electctn commtee as well asas his potical action commmmtee. we knoww her p was doubled both jobss ding the time of thee affair. senator ensign also gaveve nationalal reepublican party ca tohis mimiress' teenage son who wawas given a job at nationall publican senatorial ommittee, whic ensign wasasthe chairmaman of john ensignn directed even more cash thehe hsband of h mistress throuough a jobe set him m wit at a aconsulting firm run by two of ensign's's nrsc staffers arranged fofor toto campaign contributotor hire her husbsbanatat allegiant t air. finally as weeleleard today,, john sisign got momndnd dad to give a lott o cash dectly to it haton family. 6,000 paid ins 12ds,000 ink krkraments f f some ason. all in exchange, apparerentlyr continuiuing to reive -- l le e

and silence. fr t thoinvolvlved. that's the s sceririo we undersrsndnd inow. and becaususeeepuican pololicics are somimim hard tonderstand p peoe w who e not papartipants in them, i haave te y youhat none of teses opoplehose money and rououes d bbs, john ensi apappantntly directed to o isis wan who he wawas slpipi with and her family, noneofofhese people seemed tomind. the nrsb is n complalainin campaigngn contributors so f f the not complain. hoopop complaining?g? crew, , theeele wahing to see this is criminal anan the people who aren't t receininthe money y anorore. doug and cdy mpton. cindy is now c calng on john ensi t tresign fmm t senatee and dougamampt has come forward fofor thfifit time in an exexcluseeinterview w nevevaa cable tv show. . hampton says he thinks johnn ensign o oughtoo resignndnd als thinks that hehe and his family serves some restitutioio in part, because h says both he and hihi wife lostst theirjojob

withth j jhnenensi because of ts affair. chececk itutut >> you needoo be m ma financially y whe e beuse johnn enensi destroyed your a alilityo ma a a liviving >> no question about th. . >> is h his persosona pursueof cindy spspilddver nto,ey i'm ally sorry you gs have to lee.e. you are going to --his isn't working. the creation of the -- nsulting, all of those ntacles can burped because john needed thingso go down like is. he w still in pursuit of cindy. this w -- heeeded me out of the organization, and cindy ultimately was asked to leave basically by the family. we tk about all of the things that have tak place as a resultf john'sctions in leadership and the decisions that h iitiated and thgs that were covered up to help th happen and to keep this from coming out ando keep this from taking place is really

geinel affectg by faly. >> do you ink he should resign? >> ablutely. >>why? >> beuse i don't they his decision ming i the last few years is that of a unitestates senar. >> joining us, ht of face face interviewing doug hamon exclusively. congratulations on your big scoop. thanks for joining utonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> today a senator said that doug hamon should not be believed. when foxews receive add letter from mr. hatoabout the affair in june,hey didn't run with the sty becausehey didn't think mr. hamon was edible. do you feelike these credible? >> well, i think he's credible to t extent he knew john sign very well,was involved in of these events. is he auy that seems like a broken man, a guy after money? a guy trying to hu his life

back together? sure. yocan question his credibility. but let's be clear. besides coaurn and ensign saying briefly what dou hmpto says isot true tey provided no evidence to counter what they said and, in ft, john ensign havingo put outthat statement toy, which i'm sure you want tok abo, out his dad and m paying off the hamptons came because dougampton started talking out those kinds of ymts. so h some credibility t be telling 50% ofhe truth,60%, 80%? we'll know itime, rachel. >> that's right, in termsf what we c find out that corroborates his story and the way we see senato ensig and his camp reporchd to allegation. terms of that statementoy from what u know of senator ensign of political career and nevada politics does it ma see that his parents would be paying this mey on hisbehalf? are his parents part of his potical operation? >> his parentare not part of the political operati. in fact, they're very apolitical.

like any parents they love their son. doeshis look unseemly? you have the casino boss payg to get sonny bo out of troue when he got into trouble? of coue it does, and i think it add to the whole unseemliness of is whole thing, rachel. some people might sa any good fath would have dhaun to help out his son, but the wayhat atement from john ensign's lawyer was phrased, let's be honest here. he put it out becse henew doug hampton was gng t ben my programonight and it's already posted on the internet making allegations about these payments. he tried to get out of in front of them saying it wasn't sieve residence. i shouldn't have to ce legal liability. these re gifts. gifts because we ce about the hampton family. sorry if sound a little cynil out it, rachel. >> well, your cynicis though, is politically important to the extenthat it reflects wt is co stitch wedsd inevada think about thwhole affair. do you feel people in nevada are getting angry about ths? are they in a forgiving mood about this?

what's the rctio the ste? >> well can tell y that i think the reaction is somewhat split, but stillone of itis good f joh a his numbers clearly are dropping in pollg data. he used to be the most popular elected ficial in the stat he'll lucky if his nus ar'tupside down by tomorrow. they were headed that way in polling data i'd heard about, rachel. so are very angry with doug hampton and how h hanes this. shou have done something lo time ago, punched out ensign, left the sta, not tried to get mne for it. now he'sasking for millions of dollars. that seems unseemly to people. i think his wife's behavior and the portrayal of r as victim whens it wa con sen chal seemed is, like it's plarizing peemg. i think en's behavior now the sense that hisamily try to buhim out of trouble and, rememberremember, this was doneight as theyere lving john ensign's employn april of 2008. the queson is, did mommy and

daddy know that john ensign continued to pursue ts affair by his own accoun even if you d't believe doug hampton that heontinued to pursue his wife he says the affair ended in march. ensign says the affair ended in august, six months, sevenonths after that letter that hewrote to cindy hampton. and five monthafter these so-called gifts. i just don't think ensign has much credibility left on all th. >> weren't of the big determi nanlts how b atandal thiss andhether or not he ultimatel feels irresistible pressure to resign is how many ofhese tas dribble outver time and holong it takes t get the whole storyut pap big part of the rson we have much of the story is repor reporting. thank you for good to ve you on the show. continued good huck luck to you. >>hanks for having me, rachel. appreciate it. >> a columnist for t"las vegasun" and host of "faceo face" and thank you for shing his intervi with doug hampton

in thi case wecod bring you this story? what do on oklahom senator slash ob/gyn slash church deacon and secretiv fundamentalist group have to do with the john ensign scandal? a serious religious group in the center of this sexcandnd why okloma senatorom ought the muck.tindragged into that's coming up next and the cia versus the congress versus the truth. terrorist advic will join news a few minutes. ay with us. taking its ritfullace in a long line of amazi performance machin this is the new e-coupup ththis imeedes-benz.

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america, meet senator tom coburn, from okloma. previoly known outside oklahoma mostly for raising the restf the country's collective eyebrows from time to time. like in 2004 when dr. coburn said he tht doctors that performed artions should be executed. or when at a campaign event the sameear said it was impossible to use thbathrooms in many 0 lahoma jnior high schools nowadays because of wh he called rampant lesbianism and the time in 1977when he nounced nbc for airi aovie "schindler's list" before ultimately apologizing said thescar winning hocst dra wasull of vile language, nudity a violence. it w a filabout the holocaus

tom coburn is now famo as the other senator in thestill unfolding john ensign sex scandal. doug hampton, the husband of the woman senator ensign admits to sleeping with claims senator coburn tried to netiate an end tohe affa, and that as part those negotiatis, senator coburn encouraged senator ensign to write that now public handwritten apology lr to his mystery and to pay her family restitution. mr. cobn, exse me, dr. burn issued a stamt denying all those algations saying, "i was never present when the letter was written, nevermade any assement of paying anydy anytng. e are untruths." . coburn wotgive dames on what he did say to the senate about th affair becausehe said, i was counseling him as physician and as an ordained deacon. that i pvileged comnication that i wil nevereveal to anybody, not tthethics coittee, not to a cou of law, not to ybody."

given that tom coburn is an ob/gyn,ot exactly clear in what capacity he might have been treating senator ensign. so not clear why s doctor/patient confidentiality would prlude h from answerg queson about the ensign affair but would alw limbo make lots of statements out the affa that portray himself in a really good light. about the other half that the doctor says he was wearinghen heoueled senatorensign that of a deacon bringing in a religious group appearsto be the nntive tish u linking both. known as the fellowship or family, they run a house known as c street where seto coburn and ensign live together with other lawmakers in washington, d.c. dougamptontalked about c street a itsembers in the se scandal beeen his wife and senator ensign in an interview yestday with our preous guest john ralst ofhe "las

vegasun." >> in february you contacted people and i believe tey were affiliated with a christian fellowship organization. >> it's morebo where they live and how these men operate in their lives. they're eat men. they have a good heart. there's -- >> why did y contact them? bause they're close friends. they're a part of the men who live at c street. >> what did you want the to do? >> confront hn. >> what exactlis c street? at is its role in the lives of senators ensign and coburn and in the onbog li of this scl? jos us, jeff charlotte, contributor editor and auth of "the family: seet ndamentalism at the art of america's pouper" highly recommended by me personall as part of receipt certain for the bo lived among the family and saw many of it actions firsthand. thanks for coming on the show. >> hi, rachel. than for having me. >>hat is c street jie kno 's a house on c street in washington. how is it part of the family?

>> wl, the c street house is actu a former connt now registerrd at a church. it's run b the family, and used by them to prode housingor six to eight cngressman at a givenime androvidepiritual cosel to these cgressmen. soundse so far what makes it different om othe conservative christian organizaons. two things. it's secretive and indeed the leaderf the group descris it, he says, the more invisible you can ke your orgization the more influence it wll have. the other thing is the natuf theinfluence they want to have. igot to sit in on a spiritual counseling session between the lead of thfamilynd a ngressman. met senar ensign there. theder of the family was counseling congressman who had a verytandard iue, bill of sues related tohe chstian right and you've got have a biggerision of what wee talking about here. called it g to nothing.

sort a totalitarian idea of christianity and gave an example men who believed, understood the way power shouls wielded. an example. hier,o pott, osama bin laden and lenin. >> wow. will iead your book, when 2 first came out in hardback, "t family" my notes, i writ notes in the f leaf. my notes aboutit, i went back and oked. essentlly to promote -- promoting erican power worldwide unfettered capitalism, no ions, no programs to help poor people. all with this idea that godly, powerful rich men should get at many resources as persona personally and pritely help everyone se. the impression i was left with. was i close? >>has dead on the money. the family, again, it's the oldest christian conservate organization in washington. and it goes back 70 years when the founder believed that god gaveim a new revelation saying

that christianity had gotten it wrong for 20 yearsand most people think of christianity, being about helping the weak and the poor and the meek and the downnd out. he blieved god came to him one nigh in april 1975 and said what christiity shouldreally be about, buding more power for the already powerful and these powerful men choseny god n then if they want to dispse lesto the rest of us tricklg down. >> do you e connection between that larger sort of power theology and the fact th neither john ensign nor mark ord for tt matter is also filiated with the group, aren't quitting? despite the scandals? somethg that tells tseguy, don't worry about the affair. big picture. stay whereou are. it's importa forou to stay in power? >> yeah. no i think actually gunter sanfo made it clear when he cited king davi as an exale the rson

why he wast going to resign office. that struck a bellit me, because the king did story, the core teaching of the mily when i first heard it i was living with the family. oneof the leaders in the family wa plaining why king david was important. not because he w good but a bad man. seceanother man'swife. actually had the hband murded, and he wanted to explain why this was a model and he says to one the men in t oup, he says,uppose i heard you raped thr little girls. what would i thinkof you? this g being a human being says you would think i was a monster. , the leader ofhe family says, no, not at all, because you're chos. chosen by god for leadership, and the normal rules don't apply. >> when jim demint of south caroli talked aut his relationip to this group, also lived at the c street group, six years ago,escribed it saying "we do have a bible study. sobody share aserse or thought mostly it's an

accountable group to talk about things going on in our live and w we're dealingith them." you'vet writtenembers of family give eoech veto power over their lives. which what sms to a scandal, looking the ensn scandal, sdu a group like that not veto putting the mistresses on the reblicanarty payroll? how does that not get outed this group? >> well, because the responsibity of the other men in your accounbilitygroup, i would say by the way you d't have accountability bend closed doors the opsite of accountability. what these other men are doing is they're ying, all right we're going to look outor you. instead of self-intest by oxy, and what theye calling countability is a man might bring to theroup,or instance, the ct that he is having an fair with another won are the fact that he i perhaps rrupt in some way and on. and these guy, going to de with it internal. >> wow. >> verymuch behind closed dos, the leader of e group

acally once said what we do is, aatin phrase, beyond the -- it means beyond the voi ever the people. >> a cribute beeditor at "harper's ap magazine. auth of the book eig family." hypocrisy and affair, wait until you read about trd world dictators and ho these guys empower th. credible story. you didncredible work on it. thanks for joining us night. >> thanks vermuch, rachel. all right. coming up, after more than a ek of quiet, new ptests and new violence on thetreets of iran today. nbc's richard eng's will join us shortly. and when the cia befs congress on sentive national securityissues, is congress reallyeing iefed? does the cia actually answer to anyone? former white house counrterrorism expert richchd clark will join us in few minutes. stay with us. i felt amazinglyl boboxed in.

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on tnsa couple weeks after 9/11, the verytart of october 2001, you were briefed on the program and objected. wrote a letter to thensa saying i'm conce about this warrantls spying. e nsa respded to you with a letter and iw -- printed it out. i actually have it becauset's funny. souch was redacted,eleased absolute thing. >> dear congresoman, redacted, reda, redact -- >> sincery yours. exactly. was there something inhat letter that, can i say it's redacted? wathere something in the letter that made you feellike, i objectedrivately. ihould not object publicly? >> you can't. you can't. >> you cat, because of the content what youve been briefed on, but isn't there way to say i'm a senior member

of the house intelligee committee. believe that are doing something weht not be doing >> you cannot do that publicly. that'somethi that i simply have to change in terms of, beuse your hands are pretty much ed >> you think the rules shou be changed in terms what members -- >> who you go to? can you go to thehief justice of the supreme court? these e ises, mind you, you can't even talk to yo sff about. i have aecurity adviser, but you can't talk -- you can't talk anybo. that just isn't ght. at isn't right, because it gis the cardso the ministration, and then if you say anytng about it, you have olated our national sety, and it sul't be tt way. >> a oversight re. >> exactly. at's what we're going to change, because yo can't -- even u a moatic president, any president, democrat or republican, toave that kind of authority

and that will happen. and that wi happen. we will chang that. do you want to know what all the fiting's about? whether th cia's be lying to congress and why get an allegation from congressional democrats that the cia h been lying to congress? i think that what nanc pelosi told me back in february in that section of our interview we just re-aired is the big issue here. pelo's argument to me when i challenged her why she knew about ns spying, whether she knew about enhand inrrogation, she was sort of informed but couldt talk to staff about it or other members of congress, codn't certainly lk to the public and even consid going to the ch justice of the supremecourt 3er7b8 becau she didn't know who else she would be allowed to consult. >> how can y conduct oversight when you're told sothing alone and aren't allowed to tell anyone else what you've been told? that counts oversight? that counts at the you controlling an agenc

th's what employees and democrats on the itelligence committees are trying to chae now. they want the whole committee briefeso aleast they can dete what they're told. and that proposed change is why we are having this kur fufal now over wt the cia says behind closed doors versus what it says to public. you think about it a big part of havina spy seice that is american,hat's inside the law, and one that is a rogue secret agency that frankly just doeshat it was regardless of the law. joining us now is richardclark. former chief couerterrorism adviser to both the bush and clinton presidencies and author most recently of "your government failed you ", breaking the forgn policies sasters. thanks foroining us. >> gre to be on the show. >> e american cout on our government being good atspying. intelligence collection and analysis for the safety of r country bu buying also needso

be legal. do you think the current system, the gang of eight briefing system, allows the cia tobe good at spying and to be doing eir work legally? >> think befings of the gng of eig, very sensitive briefings, as opposed to the broader briefings,he gangof eit briefings are ually often a farce. ey catch them alone, one at the time usually. eyun some briefing by em. the congresan c't keep the briefing. they can't take notes. they can't consult tir taff. theyon't know whathe briefings are abou in advance. it's aox check so that the a can y it compliedith the law. it's not oveight. it doesn'tk. >> what do you make o the obama administration threatening to veto the intelligenc authorion bill if it includes a provision to expand thgang of eight briefings and change themp so more members of congress get those befings altogether? >> first of all, it's shocking that thehite house say lewing

a public fight betweenleon pennetta, a very honorable man by the way, and speaker ofhe house, who is also very norable and both are leading democrs. the white house ould never allow this to t out inhe pu. they should inthe two in, a lo time ago sit them down and work something out. the word today is that the white house willing t work something out to fixhis system, becaushey know as well aanybody else it's oken. >> in terms of the big picture on counteerrorism and intelligence is part of the counter errori, it's a lot of things. six months into the fst term of thisinistration, speaking on the nional security cocil, could you give them a preliminary grade how they're issues?counterterr original cayotell from tside to know? >> doing verywell. haven't had the courage yet, understandwhy, t get rid of the a lot of the burracy th bw up aer 9/11. but i think they' doing a very goodob so far. they should be paying little

bimore attention to groups other th al qaeda groups in pakistan that might tack india, that sort of thing. by and large i think they're doing aoo job. th're focusing yemen, about to fl apart at the seams and where alaeda is movg in. focusi on omia, also a place al qaeda is moving to. i think they're a little bit ead of the game. >> anoth intelligence issu in the news. the procd proposed form of preventive detention, th pentagon general couel this week said e administration ght keep people in jail even te acquitted, foun innocent essentially in court. do y see that as an assertion they believe more in intelligce as a system than they do in the justice syem at they're suspicion of somebody's dangerousness is more important than y evidence against that person? >> it's an admission theyon't believe in theconstitution. >> hmm i. think we haveo distguish between people at guantanamo and elsewhere wher when t last administration so

tainted things it will be difficult to try them. and othereople that wemight come across in the future. the peop we come across in the future, there's absolutely no need to do detention without trial. either try themn the untry where th're itting the crime, under their system. or bring them backere as i used to do. give them thr rights, a attorney, andut them on trial. t way, w had 100% conviction ratehen w did that. there's never been a rrorist i know of yo couldn't convict if you re wanted to. if you'd built aase and took the time to do it. it bothers you to find a rrier system, a member the terrorist organization, commit add terrorist actather than somebody think about being bad in the futur what we're worried abo with the ideaf preventative detention. >> you thinkhey are, keep your eye on them until they cross the line and you can arres them do like what the british do and warnthem. ll people who you think are bad people, hey, we're wating you inhe hopes that will are them o of committing their future bad acts. >> wouldn't recommend that.

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would be m with a crushing response, thousands people gathered thousands gathered chanting "death to the dick tatr," and "god is great." to a large eent protestors were met with policeatons and tear gas programs are forbidd to cover the protest but were counting on the people, countingon witnesses and participantso get out images of wh's happening in their country. the best we can do is pass that on to you with our best assessment from her of the thticity and cass ofthese admittedly pretty incredible scenes. joining usow is nbc's chi thanks for cominin. engel. >> it's a rl pleasure. >> how important is it at people turned out by the thousands in ite of these well-pubcized overt threa they would be crushed if they did. >> it's a netactic.

they thoughe street protests was ver. it looked like it was ovr. 11 day t srereet ofeehr were f frly ququie weweawawhem organize andnd they managed to ccomnicate. thisis w orrgazezed e last severa days over the internet, cell phones and text messag in tehran. theyame out in relativel smalnumbers, mbe 2,00 3,000, accordingo a viety of reports. only lasted a few urs, but was able, they were able to show the streovement is still alive. this is the kind of hit-and-run tactic i think you'll se them doing. every ce in a while they'l gather steam, go out and kn they'll take licks and confront violence, but then retreat just so they can ke this part of the movement ali >>raanmerican observers ve been teinin us to getet used a differentacacg he. this migig b be year or more, that the faate otheopoppotion will n not b dedeciddn the short term. do t thi tactic imply t tat is true? > absolutely. if they try to g go out with tes

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embarrass the regime, not only teternly. cucurrtltly e iranian government has keken a serious blackyeye externally. they are not ying too embarrass iran anyny more in n onont the internatatiol l commumutyty. now it's abtonvincing the religious eststlilishnt that wh t t government doggs wrong. d d ying to exploit divisions that a a within t theovernment aladady. there are mama s senr clericicsn iranhoho believe in the ththeoacy, who believe in t system, but don'n't agree with e way the govovernmt t handlinin . esese a a peoplehoho live in places a a they don't likee wha iran has become. if they nn quint this community to act a andoo s s this is no whwhatee signed ufofor en we waed a theocracyhat would be inspired by devivi law, not mimiliry state that is inrvening, crushing vilian prpresests

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