i've worked closely with our intelligence professionals, and theyre that -- rofessionals. d i doot believe that e cia lied congress. i'm still waiting for speaker pelosi to either put up the facts or retract her statement and apologi. >> this is an excuse not reason. our success isriving the publicans to distraction. y excuse will do. but the facts that tere is brfing ofserious concern to members of t committe and they have their course of actn to deal with it. ♪ sret agent man

♪ secret agent man oka we, the fing pointing continues in washington and the cia maybe nonory back and forth between the republicans and the democrat finger pointing coinues here, too, o"morning joe joe is king a well-deserved y of mikas in the south ofrance at her vast estateoveroking themediterranean. willie is ho with the "w" born the day before yterday at 35 in the ternoon. an 8und boy. >> he's future president. >> donndeutsch is here. suzy welch i here. the finger pointing onhis desk at dan who has been actually working, doing youromework. >> not on friday. >> someone has to improve the overall quality. read "the new york post," he new york dailyews," itch the tablds, everything. quickly before we go to news and monica novotny, you spend a

lot of tme in washington. what's your take on the cia de? >> i actual think this is a lot of cover-up for pelos to give her some cover onhe back and forth thatappened a couple months o about the warboarding issue and they're trying to stir up a new issue on whether or not the congress has been misled. but i think obamhas gothis one right rig now becaus the democrats are pushing for broader disclosure on the house intelligce committee that basically all these intelligence briefings have to go to the broader, the leadership on eir respective committees. the presidenis saying, n way. it's got to be contained to the leadership. you're just going to have mo leaks, more problems if this starts getting -- informion starts disseminating to a broader group. this is onwhere i see a break between the president and t ngressional leadership and the president is actuallyn the right place. >> i think thi is pols as usual. i agree withou on what youe saying and i do think the esident has it right, but i think is is what makeseople

hate washington, this ba and forth and pelosi is not endearing heelf to peopl with it and it just seems like a lot of fury signifying nothing. >> how lo have you ha the cia acunt in your agency? >> i came up with the term the executiv asssination commite when it was -- you know, i ink the thingat surprises me o doesn't surprise me, we a shocked when there are covert operations going on in this country. the world is t going to know wh we're doing at all times. >> it's war. >> let's grow up a little bit. i'm assuming that's goi on this is real life, guys d don'tant nancy pelosi signing off on it either. >> i want more covert operations. this is going toe a cover operation today,utefore -- well, we're going to tke a break on our covert operation and go toonica novotn >> reporter: this morning president obama aps up meetings on the economy at the g-8 summit in italy. next up on h overseas tour a stop at e vatican whe according to thewhite house he will be having a frk but

constructive talk with the pop and we'll haveoreith white house correspondent and political directorhu todd coming up. the path is now clear for general moto to leave nkruptcy protectn in record time. on thursday a judge's order allowing the automaker to sell st of its assets to a new company went intoeffect. details of t new gm which will be largel government owned will be revealed in a news conference later today. ig preparing to pay millns of dollars more in bonuses to ral dozen its top corporate executives. the company has been quietly seeking support for this new round of bonuse from the fedel government after an earlier round of payments set off a national fur last spring. illinois senator roland rris, who s appoted to president ama's senate seat by disgrace former senator rod bgojevich is expected to announce toda that he will, in ft, not run for a ll term in 2010. he has reportedly raised little money to mount an ection effort. let's go to todd santos n for a cck on the latt forecast.

od morning, todd. a very good morning to you. an absolute beautifusetup today. joe took the right day off i think he w kind of checking out e forecast for this friday. e talking aut full sunshine. yocan see it behind mewith the beautiful new yk skylin and one the spots that wl see issues, chico. certainly want to mention that for l you air travelers, milwaukee as wl with thunderstorms headg into the area. beyond that, yeah,re are the cleasks. d.c. a fewlouds to the sth. most of thatery light drizzle likely not hitting the ground so not much gen on the radar. all the plnsre green this morning so looking good as far as no major issues as far as weather is conceed and the delays can't predict much far as the turtles on th rwa in new york going to cae a major issue there,esterday at jfk. temperatur not so bad this morning. a fe cool spots. we'relking lotsof sunine, someecent numbers. into saturday a slightly better chance to make showe over buffalo, even new yo city, but at that shot this morning. an awesomeay to start off ur

friday so can't say too muc about that. thanks very much. 's about time th sun me out here on the east oast. >> this is very important. the st time i was on i got abused as an elooetist. 're in the dressing room before. they say, would you like a muffin? most pple go, yeah, blueberry or corn. yes, bnana nut. >> that's n i they pushed me to be ecific. >> coservate. i'm embarrassed for all of >> thepued me. i said banana nut a there's not. it's blu bberry. >> i wt to complain. i wasn't en asked and i want to know what's going on with that. >>he conservative voice. >> you call mehe anti-palin. i'm bana nut. >> forced to take banana nut muffin. >> il have a nana nut muffin >> actuall forcedo take blueberry. >> we guy it with stimulus funds, too. ich gets me to stimulus funds.

>> that s good. >> yesterday we we talking about what we feel, what a lot of people feel is the la of patience. what happened to the mey they voted on, this $800 million in stimulus funds ely this year. we d't seeit. we d't see roadsr bridges beg rebuilt. so yesterday our vice present, the official vice president on the "morningjo progr, joe biden, was on the roadalking ou exactly tt and we have a clip. we'll talk abt the clip from joe y depp. here's joe. >> what wil they o? repeal the tax cut for 95% of thamerican people onceagain, give it to the wealthiest americans? welllaes and gentlemen, would they do nothing? i hear nothing other than the criticism. ir nothing affirmative. ladies and gentlemen, i didn't ta this jobbe. barack didn't tak this job to do nothing.

we took thisob to rebuild amera. that's what this is about. >> you're shaking your head, zy, as if you don't love america. >> i'm areat patriot a i would say i do love america and i woulday there are disagreemes about how to rebud america. nobody is saying t's n rebuild america. america needs to be reblt. but to say the stimulu maynot be working the way w wantt to be is not to s we're not -- thathere's not other ways to rebuild america i justake issue with h saying you're on america.you don't like >> the politics of this, the administration made a huge mistake rly on with is. ey could have split the reicans on the stimulus if they had just t in some of the provisions that the republicans were pushing for some of t tax refor issues. would have pulled on a bunch of republican votes and they would have owned the stimulus as much as prident obama did.

now it isn't working, unemployment is far higher -- >> it's 140 days, guys. you can't say it's not worki it's 3 1/2months. >> how much time do you think? >> they said unt 2010. >> we have to stop t food fight here speakif notworking, chuck todd >> you are into transitis. >> this is good. >> he's in l'aquila, italy. >> this is th job i want. >> how the food? >> what are you doing today? what is the president doin today, chuck >> reporter: wel he has a couple of things. number one he wraps u has a press conferce here an he wraps u what he believes are the accomplishmts of the g- as we taed about, youknow, this organization feelslightly outdated bause you don't hav china involved. you don't have e bigger deveng xhes involved so that's why they couldn't get

these deals on climate change and they're all sort oframe workto keetalking for when e g-20 meets in pittsburgh. but then today is about symbols. he's going to ha an dience withhe pope. that's later. there will be so of two meetings. one is an official hd of state meeting tween the two but then the entire firstamily will ge anaudience. rrow we go to ghana and i think that will be something that, you know, move politic aside. you're goi to see an outpouring, a very emotional events ere, a lot of folks in ghana, a lot of folks around west afri and north africa are gointo make -- have made treks to ghana to get a gmpse and try to particite a little bit to wt is going te a pretty historic urney. it is going to be an historic journey. it's remindful o prident kennedy's return t ireland in 163 in the summer of 1963 whichxcited so manpeople

bo in irand and in america. and is there asense of tipation that you sense among th president, amonghe first family about this trip? >> it's not just among -- lo, the first family cam on this trip i ally think and he wants his daughters to have th experience, but you get the sensemhe white house sta thers an excitement among them about this trip. look, africa is one of these continents that frustrates -- that's frustrated a lot of american presidents because they see you sitting there going why -- why can't we help this continent more? whcan't this continent get on its feet a little bit? and thinkatching the fit africaamerican president step foot, americanresident step foot in africa,yes, it' symbolism andhat doesn't mean things c change overnight but i think justaving that may change attitudes a little b etr it's in africa where

some of thes attitudes change and he going to give major speech where he wants to talk about governance andheeason th're goingo gna. ghana is a coury that has had successive,eaceful democratic transfers of power wch is something, of course, that has been -- that is t the case in a loof africa. >> chuck, when the president meets with the pope, is there ing to be opportunity for any rude questions to be shouted athem by the media about the obvisly -- you know the split heren america betweencatholic universities. there was a big issue at nre dame before thspeech. anything like tt? are they afraid of anything like at popping up? >> reporter: they're having a rmal head of state meeting. bilateral meeting where the pope as hea of state of the vatican will be sitting down with the american president so i imagine a few reporte will shout questions. there will be o of those opportunities. but whether -- it's funny.

when went to the vatican, whether you're catholic or i thinthe is a sense of you can't be overly rude to the pope. it would be one thing if it's e president of brazil, right? the present of brazil, hey, wh do you think of this? what dyou say? hey, be benedict, you ston't do that. it's the pope. cause, you know what, if you're not catholic, what if the catholics arright, you know what i mn, and u fear you'll pay the mris. >> chuck, it's donny. the numbers not good ming off the 9.5% unemployment numbers, down 6%, 8%in some of the swin states how does he go back at this point? has he lost a little step in s skip as he tours the world? it's that nessarily or are we in theummer ugly grind of sausage makin that happens in ngress, right, where you fli the light on and what core is up .

it's nev a pretty sight. and then of course because he's overseas, becausthe president isoverseas, al folks are seeing in the states is that uglyausage making progress. that coulde having little t of an effect. the second stimulus, i'll say this, what i think this white house migh regret is changing their own rhetori may have bob drieen driven by stock market. when he was pushing for a stimulus athe time and he said it'soing t get worseefore it get etter, which is wat a lot of economists were saying on the left and the right. and then in apl when the stock maet shot up and all after sudden -- and remembers whole seconduaer of this year is one of the -- the best rise in the stock market 've had a couple of years. then they sort of followed t market little bit i their rhetor and the media may have done it as well as the people out there feeling,hinking if

the stock market up, maybe it is getting better. after a couple of weeks, wl, the stock market is up but that don't mean the economy is better. i thk they regret at tone about we've haboom because it may have raid expectations too quickly for when theyere initially tryingto me sure. hey, guys this slus is going to take two years not two mont months. >> hey, chuck, we ha a ver fussy dan senor he today who orderea banana nut muffin and got very upset -- anyway, he ha a real question. >> he didn't order, demaed it. >> chu, real ick, on iran this past weetween mchael jackson's death an the funeral at the memorial servi -- >> michael ckson died? >> the issue of iran s litey just moved off the frt pages. nobody is coveringit and there's real stuff happening. there'a real divide amo the clerics, t dissident movement isn't going anywhere. what is the sense among the sort national security entourage aveling with the president right no as he goes - i mean i sa the g-8 stament when he

was in moscow and now in italy, how closely are theyonitoring this? are they coerned where things are ding? ehey impssed by the resilience of the dissident movement? >> reporter: well, there'swo things. numberone, the firs thing the president broughupn ssia, the first thing he brough up and behind-the-scenesvery aide wi say h number one priority was iran. it was about trying to bring the ssians along becausethey have such a tight relaonship with iran so trying to convincthem that, hey, in is a potential national security threat. but then also getting that done here athe g-8 which russia is a part of. thenhat they will also say is they have a long view here. i thk the u.s. national team really believesoothpaste is out of the be. they'rno going to be able to -- iran is not going to be able to put this sort of back in the te. and they think thataybe it'll six months. maybe 'll be 18 mths but they have a long viewhere.

they think that eventuay something big,something big is happening in iran. while it may not happen in days or weeks for our a.d.d. so ciet that it may happen in the next 18 months where this divide inside the clerics this essentially interna political vi, will eventually lead to some reforms and maybe ev new adersh there and then wel look bac on and y, you know what, maybehey pursued the right policy. maybe this preaching of patience worked. >> i have good news and bad news before you leave. the ddgers beat the mets last night, -2, here in nork that willut a sme on your face. >> reporter: i saw that. two out of three. >> the bad news we have mor evidence of yo shirking your responsibities overseas and it curred yesterday on j scarboroh and mika brzeziki's radio show. take a lk at this. is documentation. >> you have angrytalians

behind you, chuck, wha's happeninover there? >> actually, joe, it's rert gibbs. hoare you? >>h, god, robert gibbs, what a nightmare. >> i took his phone and it went off. i confiscated it. >> so you're not even doin rao things now. you're runni off to getpaa. >>eporter: no, i just han it off. exactly. had better things to do. there was areat line of food. the new food hadome out,the meats and e chees sowhy should i bothe to do that interview? just hand it over to gibbs. >> chuck todd, life is a road

jam. >> what jo >> chuck, it's alwys a pleasure. be safe. >> reporter: off to ghana. >> tt is interestin speakingf the president's tp to italy, can we get ashot of this? this ia wire service photo. he's a han being. he's a guy. >>e was t looking at that woman. >> i wl defend the president. >> so what. no, no, no. >> have a headline f you and i wantou to ask your husband the great jack welch if men, even happily married menaybe look a women. ask mr. weh because he's a eahead of state in his own right. >> i would know his answer. he doesn't look at anye else. >> okay, t's get h on the phone. i'm not going to touch that. >> sck to the obvious. >> i agree with you.

i age with you. >> and actually think that cture is disrespectful to the president d you know he wasn't loing that woman. >> i'm going back to my muffin, banana nut. >>here is my low fat conut muffin? i've bwaiting. >>haa lot demanng people on the show this morning. en we come back, are taxpayers getting shortchang from the bank baoutprogram? 'll talk to the headof the congressiol oversight panel. also "t washington post" gene robion,awrence o'donnell, he's crazy and he'sgoing to be here. and lester holt we'll preview his msnbc special this weekend on aircraft safety. plus a look at the stories politico is workinon

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governor of alaska and it looks now likehe may g her own television proam and i was thinking i don't know. she seems pretty camera shy. here is what i can tell you out having your own tv show. sarah, if you're watching, and -- you get a show, you've got to be very carel what you say on e air because you can get yourself into a lot of trouble, ok okay? >> dave is not going tlet of governor pan,et me tell u. now it's the most excitingart of the morningfor us. mike allen, liti chief politil correspondent. mike, the first story you have today, theortification factor give it to us. incredible. increasilydisgusting. we seem to have morning mike going on here. >>eah, two of us. mike squar. >> using the chuck todd approach, figured that d just go have breakfastnd have our friend alex hre do the hit

for . >> there yougo. >> yeah,th is disgusting. one of the people who benefted from mark nford/michael son is john ensign. more deils today coming out about ho he handled the aftermatof hisistress situation. ke,e maye all -- we have had a parent pay a bill for us, a utility bill,ratey dues. his parents paid off theamily of his mistress 6,00 chec f $12,00 at time. i can ju imagine that call. dad,he car's oay but i wder if you can -- credible. >> how old is senator ensign? >> o enough to know tter. >>ut he loo to be about, what 50s? eay 50s maybe? >> that's about right. he's prematurely white. >> and hs calling his father? >> it's absurd. andhe fact this someone

fr the republican party, someone who has cast himself as being conservative, was in their leerip. it's incredible he can remain in office. there's more andore disgust ing people who are in ofce. >> oh, man. this is unbeliable on a better note. a much more positive note out of washington, one the truly terric people in public servic-- actlly in my memory, was form white house press secretary the late tony snow. what's happening this weekend with regard to tony's life? >> ithe anniversary of the morning he passed, a 53 from colon cancer. i remember that morng very vidly. we knew it was goingo come. had brought areal spark to washington. he had been such a popular radio host. he came into the white house job at a time when president bush was very dn and didt take it tooerio. dana perino says that when she

would thin about whatoul tony do wh she was sitting at his desk and she would tink to herself, tony woulmakeoke. he would lgh that will carry you a longay. the time that tony showed at a senior staff meting with diffensuit pant and suit coat and tony snow d pulled that off. thfact that he passedat 53, not that it'sucholder than me, is an arresting fact, and a remindtory all of us life is race. how ch can we cram in >> oh,boy, t tell yo he watruly, truly a terrific guy. >> i knew him-- i'll never forget when i was working in baghdad in 2003-2004. he scheduled a radio interview with me at iraq. we hadour minutes for the hit and th after the hit during the adreak he called me fr the studio and says i want more color for myself tell me wt's going on? he wand toot the breeze.

he knewe didn't have enough time in the tight segments a the producers, wve got to go. we'rback on air. heas jintellectually curious about what was going o over there. i had neve experienced that before. >> he also prov it's easy to be nicif you are nice and he was nice. mike, i've seen the hurt locker, a movie openin in washington, d.c., and you're promoing it today? >> this is by far the best of the eiraq movies made, thguys with the ied bomb uads in iraq. these are the unsung heroes who make it possible for our other troops to do thei job, clea the roads. they walk up to somethinghat is designed to explode and kill them. it's an amang flick. the pentagon didt cperate but it's very troop friendly, makes our heroes -- shows the saifice of our tr. >> zy ll much? >> is this movie hard toatch?

>> it's not. you get toppreciate the spirit of these troops. it gives us a glimpse the lives of hundre of thousand of troops working for us overseas make it possible for us to sit here a talk about ensign. >>o raise money r john ensign. mom, mom, i need some cash. >> a lite less in the allonc let's ta a look at the morning apers. "the washington post," renewed otest in the streets of tean. also aig seeks clearanceor more boses. sure go ahead. chicago sun times, grave robbers. foureople in chicago are chard with digging up hundreds of graves in a scheme to rebuild burialsites. marathon flu figh ready for we tald about that yesteay. all right. those are just a couple of newspapers arounthe coury. up next, a first look at business le from london. our must-read opinio pages.

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our first stimus bill seems to me was sort of like taki half a tablet of viagra and then having also bunch of candy mixed in. everybody s putting in things for their own constituencies. it doesn't have quitthe wallop that mig hav been anticipated there. >> the oraclef omaha mixing viag with starburst or whatever he was doing. i'm going to leave that alone. >> one of yoegways. > e chief of cool is with us now, whington correspondent and obviously great reporter f "the new york times," john harwood. how are you this morning? well, you know, i dot think anybody wants a ha a tablet of viag. >> no, not eve -- i think youither go for it or lay off it.

>> hey, john, obviouslyarn buffett talkingbout his feelings that unemployment will rise even higher. fore we get to that i have the fuy feeling that we might be givi kind of short shrift to the idea, the fact, i guess, general tors will be coming out ofbankruptcy later today after a relatively brieferiod of time. what ds that sa "a," about general tors and," the obama adminiration preding over gm goi into bankruptcy and now comi ou >> wellfirst of all it ss that the adminisation was correct in sayin for gm as they did f chrler a bankruptcy structured qukly could move on to th har phase. with a very, vy large government stake, they've got to prove their viabilit in the marketplace. and if they d't do that, then you've got the question that will arisegain of exy wh's the taxpayer going to do about it, when is the taxpaye

going to get their money ba, and in this economic envirment there's no ctainty that they're going toucceed and we're just going to haveo wait and see. and it's sort of all mix in with a questioof how quickly theconomy will rec and goes back t buffett' original point about did th stimulus work? do we nee more? and that's an issue that's sort of bubblinin wington right now. >> john, don deutsch wants to know if he canhave the harwood accot. >> yes, i want to manage the harwood brand, one of strength, wisdom, and focus. hey, john -- anytime, man. >> iee obama kind of backed into a corner now. we're going to talin a mute about an interting op-ed, a few her folks saying not enough money in the stimulus. he has to come clean a say didn't ask for enough. is it the worst of all worlds in the sense he's alienated aot of peoe spend, spend, spend, but to a lot of people has t solved the problem and willot be able to go back to the well anto prove his point he should talk to americans li adults

and say eed more it is what it is? >> yes, it is very, verybad spot that ey're in rht now because they'reconcerned, the white house is conrn and see republicans gaining traction with arguments, o is where are the bs and, cond, look at all this spending? if youhi the answer to the jobs part is more spending, how do you pull that off? the white house does not want to this stage go to a second stimulus plan. i interviewed henry waxm last night. he said if the economists tell us we nd more stimulus, we will get the votes for it and we should right now if you look at the "wall street jrnal" survey, the economists a not sayi that, and that's good news for the administration because the don't wa to go there. it's tough box especially, ke, because unemployment is goingo keep going up. it's going to pass 10% i would expect bore the end of the ye and keep ging up until spring. all these democrats have to have some answer for their constituents >> with regard to e

aforemenoned paul krugman, his piece today in "the new york times" on the oped page selecteded by mika from the soutof france reads in rt, but there a difference bween defending what you'v done so far and being defensiv it was disturbing when president obama walked back thden admission athey misread the economy saying, quote, there's nothing we would have ne differently,unquote. there was a whiff of the bus infallility complex in that rema remark, a nt thathe current adminiration might share some of the predecessor's inabity to admit mistas. that's an attitu neither mr. obnor the country can afford. whatr. obama needs to do is level with the american people, paul krugmawrites. he needs to admit he may not ha done enough on the f try. he nee to remind the country he's trying to steer the cuntry throh a severe economic stm anthat some course adjustments including quite psiy another rod of stimulus may be nessary. what he needs in short iso do for economic policy what he's

already done for rac rations andoreignpolicy, talk to americans like adults. su welch? >> the problem there arema americans who will hear that and say you've spent all th money and nothing's happened, and you're going to spend more mon and we're supposed to believ something will happe if you pour more money into it? it's like giving aid who can't take care of his allowance more and mormoney. i'm not sure that speaking like andult will win him any mor fans. i thinke's goingo get skeptics. >> y cite race relations, what he's done on foreign policy. what has he done in either of those beyd giving fantastic eeches? there are nore -- certainly on foreign policy h has to get the votes in t congress there are no votes in congss. 40 democrats just voted against e climate change bill. i bet a higher number would vote against secon stimulus. this issue is toxic and this ques real skill. what's the tipping pnt when all of sudden it's no longer

bu's fult and it's his fault now? viously there's a great period starting to erode. at what point ds he own -- >> they don't thi so. >> i know they don't think so. e tries to aue that i inherited is. >> well, hdid. the reality -- it is his ecomy. i would arg it is his economy now. john harwood, let me ask you with regard to what we've been talking about here, what's the larger dilemma for the administration? is it potential second stimulus package the is no votes or is it the sense that they're dealing with aountry who thinks there is no mormone mone? >> the larger issue ishe ending issue. the aistration actually believes thawhat they've done is going to work, that we're going to be growing in the third and fourth quarters of the yea andthat even if unemployment continues to ris the right things have been done and it will come down after that.

at's their basic assessment of the economy. thproblem is getting the american people to be patit long enough for at to happen and suzy's comnt a moment ago is exactly the box that they find themselves in bause let's assume thatconomis say, you know what, i talked to mark z zandi earlier in the week and said we may need ithe first quarter of 2010 anher $40 billion of stimulus. toearly make thatjudgment now. if they decide that's true and you say, okay, you ask the taxpayers througthe congress foanother 00 billn, how do you demonstrahat that's ing to work and when is it going to work? it's a very, vy tough siation they're in. >> oh, man. people jt their heads e exploding with all this money being spent. stick around wit us, please. and coming up, n's savaah guthrie. she's live from vatic city where president obama meeting with the pope today. nobody's going to be yelling questions at the pope. he'll al hold a news conference in a little me than an hour. we'll bring that to yolive

from rome. sports is next. nobody better mess with me bee this i't about swimming pools and polar bear exhibits. is is about stuff that not onlyassed the tt of jobs but pass the smell test. smell test is something at's real and if you notice all the talk about how we're going to waste all this money, that's a dog than't barked yeanit's not going to bark on my tch.

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today? wewent sno machining with todd and releded b by t t pool. this iswhat didd sah palin do todaday? >> she iss never going away. goveveor p palin. you he a eory? >> that speaks to my t theory wh sarah h lin ishat americans areascinating with originals, with people who brbreak the moll whether yoyou like oror te her d u can't wrapap your head around her polics because the change all thtime,he's sort of an origigal lik michael jackson or madonna or nny ramimiz. right? there's no onelse likee he amerans are fascinatated b people who a are just fferent. ananshe's -- you don't know what she's going to dodo next. >> we don't t ow whawe're going g to do xt on "morning joe." we h he suzy welch,, dnny deututsch, danenor, and savannah thrie over there in romeme.

that's your theoeory? >> yes, she is d dfere. this is ththe firs time the american public h has seen a won in power with sexualal appeealn men and womendo n know whatt to do th itit >> give me a break. what do y mean giveve me a break? it ipowerful.l. we have never seen i i befofore. it's a a new critte it's fasnating. > i'mrobably theonly pson hereho has been t a main/palinally unless you guys -- >> n been to one, no. >> i sa women mimile-aged women n wait in linene for te hs toet a glimpse. >> why doesthat refute what i'mm sayi? >> it'ssike we haveeever seen a wan like thths. it's fascinatiting. she prorol tes her kids. >>he margaret ththatcher apppea? >> no.o. and they w werenot the media frkaid sensation. you'reakingy point for me. we have t sn her like beforere. you cannot takakour eyes off her and even ople who hate her can't take their eyes off herer

>> she's a media figurere > one could argue the same out barack obama a f years ago. a prododuct ofhe elites. >> he wenttn to have a cohesi policy >> i guessssmerica are itist. >> s s's plang the resentment rd too much. th's her problbl. a bit ttoo strg with i but wel get back to sarah palibecause we stil have johohn hahaood to talk wiwith as well before w get to savanh guthrie. yourair is going tohurt. the sh will be so great.t. we have so much for yoyou. right n now beforere your hair hus, monicaa novotnyny is here with the news.. look,e're going to start with president o obama thi mornin he wraps up p meetings wi world powers on c climatehange andhe onomy at the g-8 summ in italy. nenext up, a stop a at the vati where a aordingo the w white house the prpresident ll be having frank b but cstructive lk wit the pope. hel talko nbcews cocorrespondt savannanauthrie traveling with t the presesent.

we'll talk to o her inust a momement. the path is s ear fo general motors to lelee bankruptcy proction in record time. two days ster than chrysysler did.d. on thuday a judge's order allowing thehe automaer toto se asassetswent into effect. gm will bee revealed in a news conference l ler today. aig preping to p pay llions of dollars mor in bobses toop executivives. the company hahas been qetly seekekg suppt for this new rod of bonuses from the e federal government a aer an earlier round d of paynts set ofoff a natial furor last spng. illinois senator rold burriris who was aointed to president obama's senate seaea by disgracd former govovernor blagojevevichg is expected to announcece todaye will notot run for full term in 2010 burris has r reportey raised very ltle money to mount an n election effort. e investigation into t the death of michael j jk someould turn crcriminalfter a judge subpnaed the medical recoror. jackson was treateted by numero doctors overerhe yars makingg the processf gatheriri evidence a chaenge for

ininvestigats. houseepeaker nancy pelosi says she sees noo point to schedulin a vote o o a resution hononorin the pop icon. tside chicago authorities sasay threee graveggers and a cecetery mager dugup hundreds of boboes dumping some and doubletacking others i in existing graras to resell the plotots for a profit. the fr have been chargege wi feloes. barniclelei don' even know w wht you say to tht. theyey made 00,000 doing this and the whwhole reason they des coverered it bcause one of t th ys whoorks at the cemetery was prticing his backhoe ills and he noticed some bones. >> that is ass sick a storyry ae can come uppwith here on a iday morning to get you gng on y your weekend. >> there you ggo. les move on. >> monica, t tnks vy much. >> thanks. > we still haveve joh harwood in washington. hey, jjohn, before we let you g, you'reren totoday 2:00. at havou got?t?

>> well, we'llll talko henry wawaxman abo energy, about heth care and how that prorocess of trying to g get a bilthrough ththcongre, which has proved very difficult, how ththat's proceeding. have david brooks to o talk about -- youou mentned sarah palin, the lossss of digny in public fe. he wrote fascining column about thisis earlier this weekk enenmpassi sarah palin and a lot of otheher pele. and raraised thentriguing prospect that barack o obama m ben antidote to t t cline of habits off dnity foror our publc officicis. we got theeek in review. i think you'll have sasa tanenhaus s onater as well. before i go,, iave to ask you one other t thingnd it't's not going totoe a metery story. i need a fafactual assessmementm a trueed sox fan. ortizbk? isisthe slump over? >> well, y you knoo he's bk but he's not g gng to be baackhe wahe was two o three year

ago. that's n going to be there again. but david ortiz, the slump is ovover to a certain exnt but there's the e e factoror and al of hat. he's's probay not years of ag his babat's a little slowow. he's going t to be fun towatch. he's still a terrific guy, a a great rorole model for kids a a he's actuaually a profession al athle who likes people, genuinely likes peoplele. so he's always beeeeback ithat sense. i appreciate your coconcern, jn. >> i lovovthe guand i just -- hurt me when i saw that average under 00 andit seems li he's hitting some home ns, driving in s some runs, creeping back up a little bitt. >> yeyeah, well,l,ohn harwood, always, thanks very y much. >> you bet, man. have a full screen from -- i guess we donon. we don't. weere going to talk abouout sarah palin. wee got it and we do have e it. t.j. in the bobooth in there, is unbeliable. he's's still on trut. >> wherere my muffinin, by the way? >> i it's cong.

>> yestery's anchoragpage was s ay. let's take a looook at i put it up p there. this is from t t anchoge daily newsws and ihas to do with the sarah palin's explanatatn why she was leavining becae she didndn't wanto cost the state a lot of moneyn invtigations. momost of is a per hour accountiting of the time stat employees, such as state attorneys, have e pent workinin public records requeuests lawsts, ethics coolaintsnd issues surrounding the legislaturure's troopopergate investigatioion last summer of pali is it a checkck wewrote? no. but it stafff hours?? yes. aring leo said of the expenses. so iother words related to state employee work, ty would ve been paidregardless. so,, in otherer words, it's anor ps from governorr palin. whwh's you assessmsment? >> my assessmenent is sasarah p doesn't gainanything by continuing to o goverr the nextxt coupl of yrs. peopleho are sktical of sarah papalin inuding

republans are not goi to be less skepticacal of her because she rved outter term. >> she s stays true too her coitment. > i aree with you. i'm m just talking about e pollg. you lookok at the lling which is amazing fofollowing r press conference, the p pollingtayed the same. people who liked h her before t press confererence, don't think any less of r. pepeople w dissked her befefore the pressonference still he her. the realy is in 2008 i wasor romneyey fofor vp not palin. it is azing to me going intoto 2012 if you look at t the cuent pollining even aer this didistrousress conference, ter the articles you c cite, people -- the e ews of her are lockededn and e is a spelling figure. >> beingng compellg and at the en of the day individuals, electotes, survival stinct abt who are wegoing to elect inin thiscountry and thas a very differentcut. am i fascinated by herer? do i i li her ththat's eat. do i votot for r her? baloney.

>> thas the same tng they said aout bama. he w will nevehave the xieo survive in n new hampire and iowa and he di >> i'm not surerehe wants to b present. i thin she wants to b f fmous and tis is not goi to hur her. >> what are the odds a year from now, we're talkin about sarah palin? > think they're hihigh. >> really? > do. >> ion't. i ththink nonestent. >> i'm with suzyzy on this just imagine if f e doesun for presidident thimage huckabee, paenty, romney, newt gininich. go down the linene. all of them andd then sarah paln onhat debang stage. she will be the firecraracker. i'm not ying she is gng to wiwi and s she shouldn't wwin. s will take greta's ot. > i agree with youou >> she'll be the xt rush limbaughgh. >> i'llbuy thatat. >> the o o rson who kows thehe ture ofarah palin is fox netwk. i think k she has a f fure i tv and i thhk tha she will have a

igigantic folling. >> i'l'll buy thahat but not polititics. you want to talk about ars? >> a another segway. big ststars? huge stars? >> it wouldn't be savananh, would it >> it uld be savavnah guthrie and she's in romebecaus after a packed morningg of meetinin president obamamis scheduled to give a live news cononference less thahaan hou we'll carry y it liv and now onone of theiggest stars in theonstellation of stars, savannah guthrie i in rome w we caughthtou on just a f few moments ago ing, you kn, you hahad the p pny b baloney repor book out.. i know you were picking out prada bas. how ar you,u, savannnnah? >> reporter: thahas me. i' taking notes on whattories ieed to go back to and make those final purchases. we're ing serious s business. i know weere jokingbout the g-8 yesesrday a probably rightly so, but they did do

something this morningng they're working on f food security, whicich is kinof a dw-8-8ay of ying helping farms in poor countries boostst producti productitity. they're pledgingng billis includining $3.5 blion from the u.s.ver the next three yearsrs for that. fothose wondering what i i gettingccomplished here, there's ssomethi. > savannnn,in a very short ile the president of t unit states is meetetg wit the p popethere in vaticacacity. whp the cosmeticss of the meetining? how is it goingng to occur will the pres be ther shoutinin questionons? what will hapappen? what wilil take place? >>eporter: you know, ththe vatican is going tollow some coverage. the president will fifirst hve ivate meeting witith the pe, moreike the statate visit part of i as the presidentsaid, that's how h looks at t this, seeing te head of state and theoly seat. that's the polititical sid of ii michel obama and the two girls e g getting arivate tour of

thvatican and the sistine e chapel and then ththey will me in andndave a ivate audience wi the pope and that's t the personal side ofoft. we will get coverarage of at from h host tv he in italy. >> savannah,h, whe nancyy pelos visisited thpope, he was very n her face,, f lack ofof a bette word on abortion iues. is he going to treaead mor ghtly with t the presiden >> reporter: welell, we'll haveo see. this is an issue of divivion between the presesident and the popepes is stetemcell research. on the other hndhere have en some warm overtur from thpope. anand theay of his elececon or nenear the herote a n note congratulating him w which ia little d differenthan past otocol there is somome warm there. ththey've ner met in person. tose diplo speak, wewee tol bybyrobert gibbs the will b be frank discussion whihich usuay code for, he these two are going g to didisagree about som things and they'rere not going sugar-coat thahat but there are areas they agree o mddle east peace, helping the poor, that kind of thing. >> gibbs hasut on, what, 10 to

20 pounds on t this trip throug italy in the past coupleof days? >> reporter: n n but iave. i can't t speak robert gibbs but have because, let me t tl you, if it's greasasy and d for you,u, i've be eating it. >> whas the plan for the pressss conference, this m morning'sress confence? what's's the intent? wh do we wanant t get oututhis morng? >> repororter: wel this is an opportuny, ihink, for the whithouse to address some ofof these domestic h head linegoing onon they have been oversrseas he and doing g the foren policy thing. whe rome isn't burning, hohome is burning. i think thth's a chuckodd l line iiust stolole. therere have bn some bad helines. we s snagged se health car reform, a delay on the ergy stuff. certnly the stimus pacackage is reaching g cresceo of criticm, some bad pollsls. so this isisn opportunity to rerest back the dete. actualally the was a momt this mornrning wherbecause of some serity and credentialing things the g-8 wasas tellinghe white e use, h, this press confence, we're not going g to be able to get t t wholehite

house e press rps in there and e white house said, , , no, no, no, andoved the venue. they're rununng la because of that. at jusgoes to show youu that this i't a press conference e that's just for foreren consumption. ey want to make some h headlines back home. >> dan senor is here a and he s a questition for y. >> hey, , vannahwho is runningng health care wh the presidt becausthey are desperatelyly missing s someone at hom tomm dasce could have been a huge help, ted kenne could ve be a huuge hlp if he were to be reay engage and now the president who has the ultimatee bullet pollo give his poinint homeis rning. heth care isn't going anywhere. th're not going to get a a bill inhe house or senateefore august. the president iss stuck globetetrottin who is mananaging al of thth fr abroad? >> repter: well, we have d david axrod who, of urse, is the senior adviseser and keeping hieye on it an this is onn pupurpose, think it's cause of l the health care bate, the energy debate,ahm emanuel

dn't come on this trip. and partrt of the reasonor that was health carre. so he's got hisis traveling adsers moostly foreigign plicy folks. he d does ha axelrodod with him among others a they delibetely had r rahm enuel stay home t to handhis will kind of tng. >> savavnah, aer the press confence, you can go over r to the spanish stepepand ta a look at t the ci on us, okay? justpend the day there. >> reporter: you mean gogo there again? there you go. >> rorter: yes, i will, i will. that's where all t those shopspe that i can't affordrd. >> now whatat your sesegway? >> we're g going to ep right out of hernow. savavannah guuthrie om rome from vatican cicity, my hetown. stillll ahead,d, we're goin head live too africa where the esident is heading laterer today. plus, are taxpays being shorortchangedn the bailo?

answers from the oversrsight panel, elizazabeth warn. also genenrobins from "the washinon post" is coming up.p. up next, msnbc politital analyst -- and i i have tell you u he's outn a day pps. he got security arouound h but he'll here, lawrence o'nnell.

>>i've worked closy with our intelligence professionals and they are that -- professionals. and i do no believe thathe cia lied to congres i'm still waiting for spker pelosi to put up the fact or retract her atement and apologe. >> john boehner has the greatest taall year rod of anybody i've ever seen i am so jealous. >> you and i look like a box of

ean ex. >> if i kn i was going to be in the mika set today, i wld have been inhe tanning salon all dayesterday, with boehner getting tanned up. >> lawrence o'donneljoins . keep your hands the table at all times. >> mike, you've neverat this close to a vy attractive young man before. is that what you'resaying? >> i think we're at ease enough sexually we ca sit withur sexual identity like this, ri >> can we g a segway going here? >> you were carrying onbout the cia yterday on "hardball" last night. carrying on, i was presiding over an adult discussion of the suect with the chairman of the house intelligence cmmittee and this is a lg tradition. this gs become a long way. members of the senate and the house have been coining for decas terally that the cia lies, the grrepublican hero,

bay goldwater was complaing about it in the '80s b lied about the caragua and the republicans a couple mons ago were pretending the a would never do that. pelosi is nuts. she's craz this woman doe't know how to talk to the cia. and now they arrive the hill a week or so ago and says, hey, there's ts secret program gog on for years weave not told youabout. the law requires us to tell you so here we are. >> barry goldwater sounds pretty good. >> let me askyou, tncidence u're describing, a distraction from the real issue wch is where the ci officials did say they briefed on watboarding a few years ago an many members of congress who said pelosi was briefed on it and when she accused them of lying, i mea that is to me an unbelievable- >> reallyfunny. >>he director o the cia goes up and sayswe have not told you about something that's been going on initiated i bush

administrati in 2001 for eight years and that's the news d the republan view of the universe says the realtory is sothing that happened months ago. it's not the ral story. what was your reaction when pelosiaid they lied to me about waterboarding? do i believe it onot? >> my reaction was she may be telling the truth. she might not be telling the trh. the cia has absolutely definitely lied members of congress before. >> and whenther members came forth and said i was present, pelo was brieon it -- >> my reaction was, i don'tnow who is telling the truth. w will ever know? i do kw and richard helms, the director of the cia, repubcan director of thcia, was convicte was prosecuted by the justice departme f lying to congress and you don't remeer. >> i have been crical of the cia on many issues. by no means do i give them a clean, perfect pass. i say it striking t politics of this thi for many democrats, pelosi, lookg for a distraction fro what was an embarrassing sittion and the white housdi't stand with

pesi. >> democrats want to use this to help posi but if y watched myn't view on "hardball" -- >> which i wl. >> the chairman of the committe when i put that to him, h very carefull walks away from it a says, oh, no, this has nothing to doith losi but it's very clear that is the imagery they want. >> can we grow up a ltle bit by the way? i guarante you there he been operations that we don't kw abt, that congress -- this is a real wld situation, guys. it's illegal, doy. e law says to them -- >> you know wh, guys, i frn tea there's a lot of stuff we don'know about. you ne us on that wall, jack nicholson. >> w? why does the cia -- because they're a bunch of renegades? >> it's humanly understandable but is illegal. it's a little bit lke asking me wh i evergo overhe sed limit?

the reason they lie there are over 400 memb of e hou of representatives and they trust maybe two of them e kwai whethere told something. when we go up there -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> an initiative that m save a million liveseven if they han't brght some members of congress in on it? there are alities in the way we protecthe country that is realy and we have to accept it. >> if the cia obeys the law. know that's a radical coept for somepeople. >> this is like "hardball" in the morning. >> it is. >> i'm getting a headache, m. my theory is in transition ere are sins of omsion andins of commission. i think the cia -- >> vep catholic. >> i think the cia -- i was going to do tt. there are ss of omissio that the cia commitsrepeatedly, but

we're going to go right now to president obama wrappi up his overseas trip in afric mara, what going on in anticipation of thepresidens arrival in ghana? must be crazy. >> reporter: yeah. well, people are really eagerly tipating this trip. this will be president obama's fit trip here a president. they feel proud he has chosen eination. you see it all over the city, llboards, people wearing his shirts, people selling items with obama's face on it. there are songs plang on the radio. one song played so many times i have it stuck in my head. ghananare wanting to wcome hi a native son. doesn't matter that he's of kenyan deceent. they say he's african that's what matters here. >> we we talking about president john f. kennedy's trip

to eland in the spring of 1963, shortly before the tragedy dallas and how the entire continent of ireland and every irisamerican and others in america we so ger to see him visit his homend. is there that sense of excitement tt you can feel on e ground there in ghana about president obama as you pointeded out? his return to africa as president of the united states >> reporter: yeah, you ablutely can. africa is a huge continent, many, my countries. es it matteryou he's not ghanan, he kenyan? no, nott all. he went out in the world and accomplished sometng fantastic and so ey're very proud, they're very inspired. they're excited. yesterday there was a very small parade where ppl ran a marathon. they l a torch. people are dancing. like i said, the obama song plays onhe radio all the ti.

there is a palpable sens of accomplishmenthis native son is coming home insuch an amazing potion. >> in termf the politics of e trip, there's oiously going to b more an just the cheeri from the crowd. at are the politics of the trip? what going on in ghana that can affect the united stes of america? >> reporter: well, onethe things hapni here the u.s. sees a real need to build strong relation with ghana to encourage other nations to follow their lead. it is one of the most stable democracies after rica. and so, u know, president ama is the third president i a row to visit ts tion and sohat tells you something out how the president feels about their relationship. thing else goingn ere, ghana discovered offshore oil a few years ago andso some people are sgesting maybe there are othe stgic emts at play here, they' tryingto build a

strong lationship. iasked the govnment minier about t and he said the's no intercationhat's happening and he rllyants to take the u. intentions at fa value, they're coming here to forge stng relationships and follow ghana's lead of democracy. >> mara, donny deutscis here an he has a question foryou. >> a feelgood trip buts obama going to be confronted with any qutions? this is his first trip to afri, darfur somalia,congo, the places in need where clearly this country andhe world has not epped up yet? >> reporter: i haven't heard any indication he will be asked ecific questions about tho regio regis. people want to mo what the unitedtates can do to hlp africa witddressing their priorities. the lationship goes two ways. everyby wants to get something out of it. what does the united stat want out of ts?

there something going on with the oil there? what does africa get from the u.s. and thepeople i've spoken said they're concerd about aid listing after rica out of bt, poverty, and directing some of the issues thareally matter to e people on this ntinent. >> mara in accra, ghana, thks very much. you are not goingo believe this. now 'll be talking abo miael jackson. ha to believe. >> it'about time. >> we've gon an hour and a half thoutalking about miael jackson. we'll take care of that right now. yo may remember that michael jackson di a they had a public memorial f him. texas congresswoman sheila jackson-lee called for a house relution to honor michael jackson's lega. and maybehe should have checked with nancy pelosi before she d that. kell o'donnell is here to explain the whole deal to us. kelly, good morning. how are you?

>> reporr: good morning, michael and all of you. i thought you needed another o'donnell on the program. >> never enough. >> repter: here i am. >> where's norah? neverenough. >> rorter: i've come to pla this i one o those interesting things, mike because i've been a jackson fan. i was actually out in l.a. and covered the 20 time of his arrestnd being on top the car in santa brbara, that phase, aso here i am now the capitol hi correspondent and i thought, boy, i have no piece of the story. we, i was rprised. what happened is this. shla jackson-lee, eight-term congresswoman om texas who is ariend of the jackson family, she at that memorial serve, you'll remember, gave a very warm and glowing assessment and eu, if you will,of mhael jackson and she promised the crowd th there would be a vo on a resolution that laid out in grt detail the factual achievements of michl jackson's career, his records and that st of thingnd that would be put through to the

floor of ngress and voted on. wellhouse speaker nancy pelosi told us yesterday at she does not think that shou go the oo she does not think there should be a vote on it. and we aed her why and s said because when you have a debate you alsoan have countering viewsndaybe that would not live up to the spit of what sheila jason-lee was so that probablyremind you of peter ki, congressman of new york, the republican. he said some really harsh thin thatany americans ma agree with about michael jackson, about that uglier perio ofis life, and nancy pelosi said i don't think we need to do th people can go t microphone and say kind things about michael jackson. you remember they paused for a moment of silence on theay th he ed. then i wtalking to sheila e jackson again and it's jerine jackson callg to touch base with her. e tells me s concerned thathe family mightbe

disappointed by this if the resolution doesn't gorward. >> i have to jump in. cayou believe this? e shy and reluctant donny deutsch wants to jump inere. >> how are you oing? i said this and i tnk a lot of americans agree and a lot sagree. obviously it's a tragic loss for his mily. eart goes out to h kids. yo can't watch that little girl and not feel. the deification, i would have funeral of one of the great leaders of the last thre centuries. he was a singer and a dancer. a marvelous one. and thwar heroes that died over the last few wes and e teachers and theoctors, we've lost our minds in this society. i'm not even goi to the sff he wasccused to. that's anasy discuson. i'm just saying he was a wonderful singer and dancer. we've our minds. >> reporte and yet in a way he'sn icon. >> i can't belve i'm saying ese wds. i agree with ncy pelosi.

i actuallygree with her. >> kelly, go ahead. reporter: there are resolutions that hor lots of americans, the kind you mentioned that come to theloor and ar voted on and those lovely docents are given to theiramilies on a regular si that does happen all e time her it gets less attention. when i comes to michael jackso we have been saturate with coverage andhis was one more example. so sheila jackson-lee sai she will try again later but iwas really surprising to that the miael jackson or came all the way here to capitol hi. >> i have sheila jackson-lee on "hardball" on th day of the memorial service whe she he this up. i didn't want to rain on the rade but iid mention, kelly, she had e co-sponsor on the house. >> who? >> i forget. when you're troducing, as she was at the memoria service, this rution about smee who u want praised by the house of representativ,ou know it's in trouble when the

person introducingt remd you that our stem you are nocent until proven guilty which she did. she did in th middle o the memorial service. >> thanks, kelly. anks f joining us. >> reporter: grit lking to all you. >> we don give tips very o re on "mrning joe" but a tip for sheila jackson-lee, in "the new york tim" today there are e names of eight america killed in afghantan. maybe read tse names, congresswoman,ave a moment of silence for them. lawrence o'donnl is going to be here -- i'm keeping close watch on him, don't worry. coffee is wearing off now. >> coming up, e editor of "the new rk times" but first the gripping question, are taxpayers gettinripped off by the bank baout? a new port is due out today. we're going to talk to the hd of the comttee elizabeth warren next. ♪

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gege robinson is herere. gegene"wasashitoto post," geene robinson, pulitzer prizizwiwinng columnist. msnbc polilitill analalysgegene robinson. l-around good guy genene robinson. how are you, buddy? >> sorryry,hahat' all theiimee have. good introduction. hey, gene, i've got a a question for you. and itasas nothing tododo with what we'e' b beetalking about ststf the morning. anand is this. you know, wee sit h he and ro ourr eyyes in nw york, f fi whie people, whenevev t the issue of mimichl l jason c com up. >> not me i haveveotot rled my eyes once. atat michael j jckckso coverage. i partrticatated i in e e verag enenthiaiastally. >> doou think t the white community,y, wteteericans, minimizemichael jackson's impact on thisisountry on t the culture ininlalackmerica? >> actually, nono. imean, my -- as f f a as

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ststudts. there werere t ople whococoul do theenenti "thriller" daanc justst y knoow,every sile move. ththeye both white kids. you knoow, michaeael jacksoso just -- he e wa wodwide phenenenenon the was a special resididcece for africananmemerins, i think, inin at he came out of thatat tradadioion,ut he transcended ththattradition. i don't like too talk about ananscding race a lot, because i thinink that expxpssssioor th concepept o orused. i ththinwiwithackson and the way he kind of f but t t, i think 's's aropriate. >>etet'so from thth jackson 5 5 to t washington 1 1 of the momontnt,ancy pelosi. the whole cia fl. >>h. > t l lascouple of days. what's your take on it? wewe he different views a aunun this bb. what's's yr r ta on it?t? >> well,ouou knonow, my take is that i guess i'mess interested in the kinind potical backckndnd-fth of whether, you

knknowthis provides some s so of cover f for pelosisin the waterboardrdinororwhether, you kn,isistocally congress gets the information that ittugug to get from ththe cia. i mean, you know,w,ee knowhich potiti each institution's going to take on that.t. i reallyaant to know m me about extltl at it was thatt i is at thth center ofththis dispute, t program thatat ee cia apparerel ran since 2001 tt they ddndn tell anybobo aboutut. anununtiwe have an ideaofof what it t is it'saard to speak to the merititsof whetherththiss somethinin that really should d have been disclosed.d. obviously, the cia shohoul't't tell congrgres e eveiningl thing itit eses oh, we've g g anunderercorr agenengogoin intoto tehran tonit they're going totoelell em that. but i feelii of adrift nott knowing whatat t substanceceff t isis >> hey, gene, itdan. one of the prprririti for leonn

panetta is notot ly booosngnghe morale of the e cia and operatis inin t field, but aoo improvinin relations between thee intelligenenceomommuty and coress. and whatat dyoyothink this latest h here ds,s, this attack on the cia, does to panetttta'ovoverl effort? i've got to blieve this s is sowhat demoralizizg g an thrhrow what netta's tryingto do offff cocosese? >> it's got to .. d those two imperatives s mit t be muualally exclususiv or least panetta may have made them tutual exexusive. ththisas got to be a blownsnse the agcycy. i meanan he had b ben-- he hadd- y y poiointout, goneutut of s way to bond with the a agcy and toto show them thatat he wod be their defefenr r and their adadvotete on thehehill. i'm sure there must have been n some suspicion givenenhehere came frm.m. and so then, well, w we didi mislslea congresess,hahat'otot haha p peoe wondering, okok,

whwhats s th deal with isis gg? >> donny, nene, you t tewew o a thing, welel y you know what? they're sending anpperive into hrhr, they're n not g gog to t tl l th congress.. yoyou d d th as a half-f-kiking rererk, but isn't tat the crux of the ss? su was talking abobo this. the end of ththe y,y, everythihinghehedo iscovert. anththe's thisnsane irony re -- and lawrerencwawas standing up fortruth, justice and the american way, ty y n't breakkththe law, ocourse, nobody wants to break laws, b in rerealy, fundamentally it's s at they do. >> they'y'repipies not boy scouts. >> what donnnny'ss guguin for -i don't know if you realizize it, donny, but whahatououe arrgug g for, andndyou can go for ththis you're a aring for ahange in law. at you want the congress tooo is write a a w that says -- >> n n i arguing f for- >> - -yyou don't havetoto tell . >> i'm arargug g at there are things t ttt wedo -- you are for breaking g e e la >> in reality, we lveve in a worlrl p parcularly post-9/11 that there are going to be meme

rtrty deeds done rotect uus. the e ja niolson you want - -- i dodot t wa to talk aboutt protottiting us. >> this is a all interesting inside the ltway. hohomumuchnterest do you think this story actualllly ha outsi thbeltway? >> i t thi n ne. i don't think this r renates outstse e th beleltw e expt peperhs in thesense that donny was just talklkin about. i think ififyou askedpeople,e,or example,e, iyoyo threwtt out thther h h much should the cia tell congresess a aut what it's doing, think thahat would engage ople. but i thinin eeeetily, ankly. i dodot t thk this is a big issue ououtse e the eltway. how w mu s suld the aa tll us? 's a matter of d dwing the li.. there is a lawawyoyou ow. there's a law that thehey veve o brief th ccmimitts, and t thee arar y you know, restrtricononsd regulations s toakak suure e ufuff esn't get out. and indeed it works s prtyty wl. you knknow stuff doeoesneak out that iss terribly damaging to national secucuri.. at least in mymyieiew.

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♪ there is a live picture from italy. we are expecting at any moment now the president of the united stateso begin the press nference. about a two-nute warning. but that's litical time. we'll see what happe

>> this is after his meeti with the pope >> this is after the meeting with the pope. there's the motoade. the pope is later. the pope i later. >> do you ink when he meets the pope, do you think he's tually going to kisshe ring? literally king the ring a you ve done? >> no. no. >> not this pope, john paul, yeah. >> think about oth foreign leaders. he's bowed. >> wve got another warning. 14, 15 yrs ago. ge robinson is still with us. gene, we're looki at the pridential motorcade riving. thpress conference about to gin. what do you thk the president wants to pop out-- what's the message wants to pop out at this press conference? >> well, it's interestg. i mean, after the mting with the pope, and they're kind of an odd couple, aren't ty? barack obama and pope benedict.

one wonders, though, if they found some sort of common ground and th were able to speak. also how's this going to be en by american catholics who were perhaps up at his ivitation to noe dame. he got an invitationo talk to the pope, that'sot too shabby. >> ell, the white house is already lying about the meeting they're saying that it was a frank -- is a frank and constructive discuion with the pope. no oneas ever had a fran discussion with thpope. >> no, no,th doesn't happen. that can't hpen. >> here's the presidenof the united states. >> i alogize for being a little bit late. good afternoon. we have just concluded the final session of whatas been a highly productive summit here in l'aquila. before i discusshat we've achieved these past three days, i'd li to take moment to expresmy thanks t prime minist berlusconi, h staff, the people oftaly for eir extraordinary hospitality and rd work in setting up this summit. and particurli want tohank

thepeople of l'aquila for welcoming us your home at thisifficult time. we'v seen how you've come together and taken care of each her, and we've been moved by ur courage and your resilience anyour kindness. i'm confident that lquila will berebuilt. its splend will be restored and its people wll serve as an exame r all of u in how people can rise up from tragedy and bin anew. and we will keep this place and its people iour prayers and our thoughts inhe months and years ahead. we've come to l'aquil for a ry simple reason, bee the challenges o our time threaten the peace and prosperity of every single nation,nd no one nation can meet theschallenges alone. the threat of climate change can't beontain by borders on a map. and the eft of loose nucar materials could le t the exterminion of any city on eah.

reckless actions by few have fueled a recession that spans the obe, andising food prices mean that 100 million of our fellow citizens are expected to fall into desperateoverty. so right now at this dfining mome we face a cice. we can either shape our future or let events shape it for us. we n let t old disagreements of the past divide u or we can recognize ourhared interests and shared aspirations andork together to create a safer and cleaner and mo prosperous world for ture generations. i believe it clear from our prress these past fewdays, thpast,hat w must choe. thisathering has included no just leaders of the g-8 but leaders from more than 25 nations as welas representatives fromor internatiol organizations such as the u.n., imf, wto, and others. anafter weeks of preparation and three days o candid and

spirited discussions,e've agreed to take significant measures toddress some of the most pressing threatsfacing our envient, our global ony, and our inrnational security. let me outlin what i believe have been most significa. items thatmerged from aquila. first, there was widespread consensus tt we must all continueur work to reste economic groh and reform r national andnternational financial regulatory systems. i'm pleased the ud states has kethe lead on tis reformt home with a sweeping overhaul of our regulatory systema transformationn a ale that we have not se since aftermath of the great depression. but while our marks are impring and we appearo have averted global collae, we know that tany people are still struggling. so we agree that full revery is still a ws off. that it would premature to begin winding down ourtimulus

plans so that we must sustain ousupport for those plans to y the foundationor a strong ansting recovery. we also agreed that it's eally important at we return to midterm after the recorys completed. second, we agreed to historic measures thatill help stophe spread nucar weapons and move us oser to the longerm goal of a world without nuclear weapons. prague, i laid out a comprehense strategy to advance global security pursui that goal. in moscow, president medvedev and i agrd to substantiall reduce our warheads and delivery systemin treaty thawill be completed later is year. and th week, the leaders of the g-8 nations embraced the strategy ioutlined in prag which includ measures to stngthen the nproliferation eaty to encourage nations to meet their arms contro disarment and nonproliferation commitments and to secure nuear apons and vulnerable nuclear matials so theyon't fall into the hands of

terrorists. i also invited leaders from the broader group nations here to tend a global nuclear summit that i will ht in washington march of next year. where we will discuss steps we can take to secure loose nuclear mateals, combat sggling and deter, detect and dis tempts at nuclear terrorm. no we face a realtime challenge o nuclear priferation in iran. d at this mit, theg-8 nations came togetheto issue a strong statementalling on iran to ffill its responsibilities to the intnational community without further delay. we remai serious concerned about the appalling events election.ng the presidenal d 're deeplyroubled by the proliferation risks iran's nuclear program poses to the worl we've offered iran a path towards assuming its rightful place in the wold. but with that right comes responsilities. we hope iran wi make the choice fulfill th, and we willake stock of iran's progre when ee each other

this september at thg-20 meeting. thd, we took groundbreakin steps forwd to address the threat of climate changen our time. the g-8 nations agreedhat by , well reduce our emissions by 80% and that we'll wrk with all nations to c global emissions in half. in 17 of theworld'seang economies, both deloped and developing nations alike, made unprecedented commients to redu their emissions and made signifant progress on finance, adaptaon and technology issues in the united stat, we've already paed legislation in the house of rpresentatives thatuts us on track to meeting this 80% goal and we made historic clean energy investments iour stimus as well as setting aside setting new fuel efficiency standards to increase mileage andecrea pollution. because we believe that the nation that c build the 21st century clean energy ecomy is the nati that will lead the 21st centu global economy. we did not reach agreementn everyissue.

and we still have much work ahead on climate change. but these achievements are highly meaningful, and they'll gerate significant momentu as head into the talkst copenhagen andbeyond. filly, we have committed to investing 0 billion in food security. agricultural development programs to help fight world hung. this is in addition to the emergency humanitarian that we provi. and i should jus note that going into the meetin we had agreed to $15 billion. we exceeded that markd tained an additional $5 billion of hard commitments we do not view thi assistance as an end in itsel we belief t the rpose of aid must be to create the conditions where it's no longer needed to helpeople becom self-sufficient, pvide for their famils and lift their stdas of livi. and that's why ie proposed a ne approach to this issue, one dorsed by all theeaders here, a coordinated effort to suor comprehensive plans created by the untrie themselves with he from

multilateral institutions ke e world bank, when appropriate,lo with significant and sustained financial commitments from our nation i alsowant to speak briefly about additional one-on-one meetgs i had with leaders outside of the g-8 context. thesmeetings were tremendously valuable and productive. we spoke about how we can fe a strong, coordinated a effective response to nuclr proliferation threats from iran and north korea. also discussed challenges we faced managing our economies, steps we can take together in combatting clite change and other importt matters. and i belve we laid a solid founda on these issues. ultimately, this summit an t work wve done here reflects a recognition thatheefining oblem of our time will not be lved without collective action. no one corner of the globe can wall itself off from th challenges of thceury or the needs d aspiraons of felw nations. the only way forwd is through shared andersistent effort to combat threat to our peace, our

prosperity and our common humani wherever they may exist. ne of this will be easy. as we wo this week to find common groun we have not solv all our problems. and we've not agreed on every point. but we've shownt it is possib to ve forward to mke real and unecedented progress togeer. and i'm confident wll continue to do in the months and yes ahea so with th, let me take a few questis. i've got a list that i'm working off of. and i'm going to start with ter baker. peter? i'm sorry,our mike didn't -- is not working there. >> reporter: ello? >> yeah. >> reporr: thank you, sir. mr. president, we were wwere told you mad your peal for the fo serity personal by kenya, your coinnd so forth.in i wonded if you could relate to us a little o what you said

en and talk about your family experience, how th influences your policies and apprch. >> what you hed is true. d i started with this firly telling point,hat when my fath traveled to the united states fro kenya to udy, at that tim the per cata income and gross domestic produ of kenya was higher than south korea's. toy, obviously, south koreais a hghly developed and retively wealthy country, and kenya's still struggling with deep poverty in much othe country. and the question i asked in the meeting was, why is that the had been some talk about the legacies of colonialism d

other policies by wethier nations, and without in any way diminishing that history, the point i ma was that the south korean government workingh the prive sect and civil ciety was able to create set of institutions thatrovided transparency an accountability and efficiency that aowed for extraordinary economic pros and that the w no reason w african countries couldoto the same and yet in many african countrs, if you want to st a businessr get a job, you stil have to pay a bribe, that there remains too much -- there reins a lack of transparcy. and the point that i was trying to underscore is is that as we think about thisssue of food

securitywhich is of tremends importce, i mean, we'vegot 100 millio people who dropped into furth dire poverty a conseqnce of this recession. we este that 1 billion people are hungry aroundhe gle. and so wealthie nations have a mol obligation as well as national secity interest in providing assistance. and we've got to mt ose responsilities. the flip sid is is that untries in sub-saran africa that are suffering from extme poverty have an oblition to use the assistance that's available in a way that is transpent, accountable and that buds on rule o law and other institutional reforms that will allow long-term improvement.

ere is no reasohy rica cannot be self-sufficient when it ces to od. it has sufficient airable land. wh's lacking is the right seeds, the rightirrigation, but also the kinds of institutional mechanms that ensur that a farmer is going to be ae to grow crops, get them market, get a fair price an so all these things have t be partf a comprehensive an. anthat's what i was trying to underscore during the meeting today. what'shat? >> [ inaudle. >> well, e point i was making is, you know, my father traved to t united states aere 50 yes ago. and yet nowi have family mbers who live in villages -- they themsves are not going hury, bulive in villages

where hunger is real. and so this is setng that i understand in very personal terms. and if you talk to people on the ground in africa, certainly in kenya, they will sayhat part of theise here is the institutio aren't working for ordiry people. and so governan is a vital concerthat has tobe addressed. no keep in mind, i want to be very carel, africa is a continent, not a country. from theexrience of one te country,nd there's a lot of good thingshappening. rt of the reason that we're traveling to gana is because you've got there a functioning democracy, a president who's seriouabout producing corruption, andou've seen signifant economic growth. so i don't want to overl generalize. but i do want to make the broader pointhat a governnt

that is stable, that is no engaging in tribalconflicts, that can giveeople confidce and securi that their work will be rewarded tis investing in its peoe and their ills andtalents, thos countriescan succeed regardless of their history. l right. michael fletcher. "washington post." >> reporr: thank you, mr. esident. as you've pushed for an reement to reduce nuclear stockpilesetween rusa and thu.s., part of your onale is that you want to have the ral authority to then tn to north korea and ian to get them to suspd their programs. why aren they listening to what t u.s.nd russia have to say? why would it matter to them wh they do? >> i don't t it matters so much necessarily that they will sten to the united state or

russia invidually. but it gives us the capacity as the tuclear perpowersto make appea to the broader world community in a consistent way abou the dangers of nuclear proliferation and the need to reduce that danger a pefully at some point in time eliminate it. so, you know, there are countries that have decidednot to pursunuclear weapons. brazil, south africa, lia have all made a decision not to rsue nuclear weapons. now, part of the concept behind the nonproliferation treatywas, countries cod develop peacel nuclear energy. they would not pursue nucle weapons, if they were signatories to the treaty and in turn, the united state and russia would also significantly reduce tir

nuclear stoces. and so part of the goal here is to show that the u.s. and russia are going to be fulfiing their commitments so that other cotries feel that this an internationafort. and is not somethi simply being imposed by the ited states or ruia or memrs of the nuclear club and i am condent that we can rebuild a nonproliferation framework that works forll countries. and i think it's important for us to establh a set of international norms thacan be verifi, that can beenforced. and when we are speaking to iran or northkorea, it's not a matter of singling tm t, but ratherit's a st of international norms behavior that we' expecting everybody to abide by.

paul low v paulo valentino. >>eporter: thank you, mr. president. it seeme that yesterday morning u had a very spirited and live discussion with the g-8 plus five plus one ignited by esident lula's objection to the adeacy of the g-8 a a forum. and what was your argument in this discussionnd whether or t you have the feeling that thdays of the g-8 are over, and theecond question butery lighfter six monthseeling and dealingith these inteational forums, the g-20, nato and g-8, do you nd it more complicated or l mplicated to deal wi that than wit the american congress? >> oh, well,he -- the second questi, it's not even close. i mean, congress is alwa tougher. but terms of th issue of the

"gs" and what's the appropriate international structure and framework, i have to tl you in the discussions, iistened more than i spoke, although wt i said privatelyas the same thing that i've said publicly, which is th there is no dot that we have to update and fresh a renew the international institutions that were s up in aifferent time d place. you kn, some, the united nations, date back to post-world waii. others like the g-8 e 30 years old. and so there's no sense that those instions can adequately capture the enormous changes that have taken place during t intervening cas.

what exactly is the rig format a question that ihink will be debated. one point did make in the meeting is that wt i've noticeiserybody wants the smallest possible group, smallestossible organization, that includes them. so if they're the 21st largest nation in the world, then they want the g-21. and think it's hhl unfair if they've been cuout. at's also true is that pa of the challenge here is revitalizing the united nations becae a lot of energy is ging inhese various summits and organizations in part because thers a sense th when it comes to big tough probms the u.n. geral assembly is n ways working as effectively d rapidly as it needs to.

so i'm strong suppter of the u.n., and i said son this meetg, butt has to be reformed and revitalized, and this is somethg that i've said to the sectary-general. one thing i think is absolutely tr is that fs to think we can somehow deal with so of these global challenges in the absence ajor powers like china, india and brazil, i seems to me wro-headed. so they areoing toave to be incled in these conversatns have enti continents like africa or latin america not adequately repsented in these mar international forums d desion-ming bodies is n going to work. so i think we're in a transition period. we're trying to find the rht shape that combines t

efficiency and capacity for action with inclusivene. andy expeation is is tt over the next sevel years you'll see an evution, and we'lbe able find the right combination. the one thin i will be looking forward to i fewer summit meetings because, as you'v sa, i've only been in office si months now. there have been a lot of these. and i tin that there's a possibility of streamlining them and making them more effective. the united states, obviously, an aolely coitted partner to concerted inteational action. but we need to, think, make sure tt they're as productive as possible. hans nichols? >> reporter: hans had other obligations. >> yes, i noticed you'r t

ha >> reporter:roer, we swapped. thank you very much for the question i'd like to return to domestic issues, mr. president. health care th momentum seems to have flowed a bit. the senate financ committee is still wresing with the cost e. the blue do democrats, members of your own party, yeerday said they had rong reservatns about wh's developing so r. i was justwondering, when are you ing to be jumping in reallyull force with this? do you have any sweeteners planned? whs your pushefe the august recess? >> well, we've jumpe in with both feet. you kw, our teamis working th members of congss every day thisissue. priority overhe next month.ive so i think it important just recognize, we are cr to achievg serious heal care

reform that cuts costs, provides coverage t amerin families, allows them to keep their doctors and planat are working for th. we're closer tohat significant reform th at any time in recent histo that doesn'take it easy. it hard. and we are having a who sers of constant negoations. this is not simply a democratic versus republican issue. is is a house versus sate issue. this is different committees that he differt priorities. my job to make sure that i've sesome clear parameters in terms of what i want to achie. we have to bd the cost curv on heah care. and ere are some very specific ways of doing that, gme

changers that incentivize quality aspposed to quantity, that emphasize prevention there are a whole host of this that i've t on the table that i want to e included. i' said that it's got to be budget neutral. 's got to be deficit neutral and so watever billsroduced have to be paid for and that creates so difficult because people would like to get the good stuff without paying for it. and so there a going to be meough negotiations in the days and weeks to come. but i'm confident that 're going to get idone. and think thatyou know, appropriaty, you know, all of you as rporters are,ou know, poing on the game. what i'm trying to keep focused on are the peopleout in ates all across t country that are

getting hammered by rising priums. they'rlosing their jobsnd suenly losingtheir health care. they are going into debt. some areoing into bankruptcy. small businesses a large businesses that are feeling enormo pressure. and i'm also lking at the deral budget. you know,there's been a lot of talk about theeficit and the debt. d from my puican colleagues, you know, why isn't obamdoing something about this? ignoring the fact that w got into the wst recession since the eat deession with a $1.3 billion deficit. fair eugh. this is occurring on my tch. what cannot be denieds that the only way to get a handle on our medium and long-term budget decits is if we corral and

contain health care sts. nobody denies is. and so my hope is is that everybody who isalking about defit reduction gets seris about reducing the costs of healtharand puts some serious propals on the table. and i thinit's going to get ne. it is going to be hard, though, because, as i said, thi i e the town hall meetings that i had, as dissatisfiedas americans may be with the health care sysm, as coerned as ey are about the prospec th they may lose their jo or thei premiums may keep on rising, ey're also afraid of the unnown. and we he a lg history in america of scaring peopleh they'rgoing to lose their doctorthey're going to lose their health care plans they're going toetuck with some bureaucratic vement

system that's not responve to their needs. anercoming that ear, fear that is often actively promoted special interests who profit from the existg system is a chlenge. and so my biggest b, even as my staff is working on the day-to-day negottions with house and nate affs, my biggest job is explain to the ameran people whythis is so important and give them confiden that we can do better than we're doing right now. >> reporter: is it pretty much a do-or-die by august reess? >> i never believe anything is or die. but i really want to get it done by the august recess. christy parsons, hometown girl is chris around? >> she's not here.

>> hristy's not here? m disappointed. you know, do we have any membe of the foreign pre here? yeah, i'll use christy's sp for -- just so that you guy have a chance to a a question. thank you very much. >> i'morry, i can't hear you, though. can somedy make sure the ke's working? >> reporter: it's on? >> yeah. >>eporter: on this treaty you've been talkingbout the state svereignty as international oer. how you reconle that with the ccept of responsibility protect whichused to be the cornerstone for a lot of victims. >> i'm sorry, how do ireconcile at with the responsibility to prect? >> reporter: yeah. >> which used to be what? reporter: the rnerstone of hopeor a lot of people in post-war. >> if understand your question correctly,n the one hand, we

thk that respecng the sovereignties of nation states is important. we don' want stroer nations llyi weaker nations. on the other hand, where you haveations that are oppressing their people, isn't there an international responsibility to inrvene? it is one of the most difficult questions in intertial affairs. and i don't think that there is a clean formula. what i would say is that in general, it's important for the sovereigntofations to be respected and t resolve conflicts between nations through diplomacyd through international organizatis in tryingo set up international nos th countries want to

meet. there areoing to exceptional ccumstances in which i think the needfor ternational iervention becomes a moral imperative. the most obvious examplbein in a situation like rwanda where genocide has occurre gordon brown, dung the lt session, told an incredibly powerful story. d i may not be getting all t details rfectly right. but heaid he had go to rwanda, went to some sort of museum or exhibition tt commemoratedhe -- or marked the tragedyn rwanda. there was a photogph of a 12-year-old boy and gaveis

name that he loved soccer andhe wanted to be a doctor and prided his biography. and the last line on this exhibi said that right before he and h mother was killed, he turned to his mother and he said, "don't worry, the united natis is going to come se us." and thatoice has to be heard in intnational relations. e threshold at which international intervention is appropriate i thk has to be ry high. ere has to be a strong international outreach at what's taking place it's notlwayoing to be a neat decion. and the are going to b objeio to just about any decision becau there are some

in t international cmunity who believe that ate sovereignty is srosanct and youever intervene under any circumstances in somody's internal affrs. you know, i think rather than cus on hypothetics, what my administtion wants to do is to build up internation norms, put pressure, economic, diplomaticet cetera onatio that a t acting in accordance with universal vlues towas their citins,ut not hypothesize on particular circumstances, te each case as it comes. okay? >> last question ric wolffe. >> reporr: i guess i have to follow on that, mr. pside it's iran in tt cegory, and are you dappointed that while you came up with atatement of condemnation fm the g-8 you d not come up wh any kind of

extr sanctions having to deal with their crackdo on protesters. >> yeah, i have to say, i read, peter,our article andmae me otrs, this notion that we were trying to get sanions or th this was a forum in whic we could get sanctions is not accurate. what we wanted was exactly what we got which is a statement o unity and strong condemnaon about the aalling treatment of peaculprotesters st-election in iran as well as some behavior that just violates basic international norms. storming of emsss, arresti embassy personnel, restrictions on journalists. and so i think the realtory here w consensus in that statement including ssia. which, you know, doesn't make stements like that lightly.

now, there is -- the other story there was t agreement that we will reevaluate iran's posture towards negotiating the cessation of auclear weapons poli pocy. we'll evaluatehat at the g-20 meing in september. and i thk what thats is it provides a time frame. the international community ha saidhere's aooryou cawalk througthat allows you to less intentnsnd mo fully join the international community. if iran chooses not to walk

through at door, then you have, on record,he g-8 to begin with, b i think potentialla lot of other countries that are ing to say, we need to take further sts. and that's been alwaysur premise is th we provide that door, but we also say, we're not goin to just wait indefinitely and allow r th development of the nuclear weapons, the breach of international tratie and wake u one day and find ourselves in a mh worse situation and uble to act. so my hope is is that the iranian ldership will lookat the statemen coming ouof the g-8 d recognize thatorld opinion is clear. all right?

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