we're back. it looks like there was an incident involving a police chase of a car. it had nothing to do with any public official. what makes you think that this person is unqualified to get into princeton or serve on the court. you're going through the whole situation here. >> she said herself she was an affirmative action baby her whole life. she didn't get the grades -- >> her words? >> her words. and she also said in college i had to read classic children's books in order to learn english a lit bit better. she's been advanced her whole career. she got on the yale law review. wher her lsat scores? where has she something in the law review -- where is an opinion of hers we've seen that's truly brilliant, even if you disagree with it. >> you were talking sarah palin for president. >> she's accomplished on her own right. no affirmative action there, boy.

>> that is just a total misreading and misunderstanding of what affirmative action is. >> i think it's a great thing. i'm an affirmative action, baby. guess what? doors were open for me. i have very good s.a.t.s. >> fine, but when you advance somebody ahead of somebody -- >> you said they're irrelevant what her high school grades were. >> nowadays they are. half these dieds kids get straight a's all the way through. it's a joke. >> all the more tron open the door people who are qualified. people who graduate. >> how do you qualify other than by tests? >> she was a suma cul-laude. >> everyone graduates cum-laude

now. that lady is she a scalia? come on. >> joining us again tomorrow night, right now it's time for "the ed show." i'm ed shultz. and this is "the ed show." >> good evening, americans. live, 30 rock from new york. for democrats, they want to overall health care and they want rich people to pay for it. if you're making $1 million a yearing you're going to pay more. i say go for it. the acting chairman of the senate chris dodd will join us in just a moment. shooters under fire. carl rove is coming to the rescue. this is a dandy. rove says congress is prone to leaking. congressman adam smith will respond to all of that tonight.

dog gone it, i found out today, guess who's a fan "the ed show" it's the drugster? that's right, rush talking trash act me. why don't you come on my program and we'll debate about anything you want to talk about. come here on "the ed show." be sure to watch my "playbook" tonight. you're going to love it. get your phones out. i'm going to ask you, what do you think about paying for health care, the rich folks? but first, we've got breaking news tonight. first, there has been a shooting on capitol hill. let's go right to nbc's luke russert on the phone. what can you tell us tonight. all we know of right now is we got a tip there's a shooting on the fence side of capitol hill.

four paramedics with white jackets ran out to new jersey avenue over on the senate side. we then went up to the third floor of the press gallery and we were able to look down on the scene. there is a mercedes-benz that crashed. and we saw the paramedics working on one victim taken away in an ambulance. a cameraman reportedly heard automatic gun fire. we can't say that's 100% accurate. details will come out about that later. but he claims he heard automatic gun fire and he saw one body being wheeled into an ambulance. >> okay. nbc's luke russert on the hill tonight. duke, do we know what caused the shooting? what was this all about? >> as of right now, we do not.

constitution was shut down for about 45 minutes. it just reopened. the park around the area is shut down. police will not let anyone close to getting there. we have hypotheticals about what happened. we do not know. one thing people were hypothesizing was the car was in some sort of accident. maybe he tried to rush a barrier. it is a restricted street, and possibly got fired on upon that. we do not know anything for sure. >> okay, luke russert on capitol hill tonight. we're hearing that pete williams is reporting that it was a hit and run, and a pursuit followed. you're watching right now a live picture of the shuttle. this is the sixth attempt to get the shuttle up into space. the weather has been delayed back for recent days.

the endeavor is carrying the last piece of japan's space station lab. an important effort for the space station program. their astronaut will be doing a number of space walks. and jay barberi is there and we'll talk to him a little later on in this program. so a lot of anticipation. a number of delays. this is the sixth attempt,and it went off on schedule tonight. 6:03 eastern time. the shuttle endeavor is off and going into space. and there you hear the throttle up. >> three engines onboard are throttling back up. flying at 1,100 miles an hour. ten miles in altitude and ten miles down range. >> there you have it, the shuttle off into space. good news. once again, republicans are lying. dog gone it, we catch them every time, don't we? this time it's on health care. they're trying to scare the american people about health

care. they're saying your taxes should be going up. well, that's only half true. you see, the democrats want a surtax to pay for health care. that would affect 1.2% of the population who earn money in this country. that's right, 1.2%. the richest americans would pay more. now, by my math, 98.8% of americans would not have to pay an additional dime. now, the highest surtax would be 5.4%. that would be paid by people making over $1 million a year. you know, people like dick cheney, george bush, paris hilton. maybe the guys that were playing in the all-star game last night. they're going to have to pay more. the hollywood crowd. they've been willing to pay more all along to get health care. so the question you need to ask at home tonight, folks is do you really care if dick cheney and the rest of that crowd has to pay a little bit more so we can have health care in this country? the sum total is personally, i don't believe that the american people care if 1.2% of the american people have to pay more

in tax to get health care in this country. i want to know as far as the democrats are concerned, what democrats are going to protect the top 1.2%. >> we should take a hard look at just what it is they're defending. over the last decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages. deductibles and out of pocket costs are skyrocketing. and every single day we wait to act, thousands of americans lose their insurance. it's threatening financial stabilities of families, of businesses and of government. it's unsustainable and it has to change. >> well, there's no doubt the light bull season definitely going on in the white house. one of the president's top advisers david axelrod says if we can't get this thing done with republican wes eel just have to go it alone. that's what i like to hear. we don't have to have bipartisanship. that's kind of a different

signal, what rahm emanuel is sending from a couple of weeks ago. and today president obama sounded like he was losing the patience with the party of no. and the whiners are crying foul. >> the president threw out the first pitch last night for the all-star game, but today the democratic membership of the health committee struck out on the issues of health care. it's just regrettable we were not allowed to be at the table when this bill was drafted so we could have gotten those ideas into the bill. >> senators not at the snabl senator gregg did i hear you correctly? folks there are 160 republican amendments in this bill. who the heck put them in there? i'm going to assume they came from the republicans. we're trying to confirm that tonight. president obama no doubt is son the offensive and he is winning this war and it is an ideological war. the house plan came out last

night. the senate with their plan today. >> great to have you with us tonight. you've got that smile on your face because you know you're winning on this deal, don't you? >> i know you're as delightful and interesting as always, ed. that's what i know. >> we've been banging away at this for a long time. the american people want this. last night and today we really saw some positive steps forward. >> ed, i think you're absolutely right. i think we need to remember this. some people say gee, this is being popped up in a short period of time. during the last year, 2008, john mccain, hillary clinton and president obama all talked about health reform being a major objective of their administrations should they be elect pd . so every up with of the major candidates said this is where we ought to go. it wasn't that they agreed on every facet of every bill, but they said we must have health care reform. are y . >> are you going to get any

republicans in the house onboard on this? >> i each not sure we are. i met with republicans today, some of the moderate republicans who in my opinion want to see health reform. they want to see some changes made in the bill. as you said, we in the house are going to have a mark-up of the energy and commerce committee. probably going to take four or five days. i'm sure a lot of amendments are going to be offered by republican and democrats to perfect this bill. the answer is they're going to be at the table. they're going to have the opportunity to make their case and hopefully they're going to join with us. he pledged he would do that for the american people. >> do you feel empowered that recent polls are out there showing that 58% of the american people are willing to see the wealthy in this country pay more. is that the direction you're going? and are you comfortable with it? >> i am comfortable with the proposal of the ways and means committee.

and i'm pleased at the overwhelming majority of the american public want to see health care reform. they know it's not for free. this is not simply addition nap revenue. it's also savings. looking at how we can act more efficiently. wanting to bring costs down and include all americans. that's what americans voted for in the last election. >> so as far as the president is concerned in the house president obama is going to get what he's asked for all along. there's going to be a public option and if there's no republicans onboard, that's just tough cookies? >> i believe that's the case, yes. we want to have republicans onboard but if they won't join us, we want to pass it. >> can you guarantee a public option? >> i can say there's going to be a public option in the house

bill. we have to see what happens in conference and the senate. but the spt for a public option. we're for a public option and we're going to pass a public option. >> i know you worked hard on this. but one final thing i want to point out. there are a lot of small businesses about what the issue of the see they're going to have to pay. >> we're very sensitive to that. it started out in the draft bill of accepting businesses who had payrolls under 100. it's now 250 and graduated up to 400,000. >> that's going to be massage as it goes through the house? >> it will be. we're sensitive to the challenges the small businesses are confronted with.

>> i want to know what you think, folks. get your phones out. here we go. is it fair to tax the top 1.2% of the richest americans to pay for health care? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. we'll bring you the results later in the program. up next, you heard it here, psychotalk. carl rove thinks it's dangerous to give congress information in rove is concerned about leaking. well, now there's a guy who has been an authority on leaks. maybe we should listen to him. adam smith is pretty fired up about it. he'll respond to all of that next on "the ed show." ♪ look at this man ♪ so blessed with inspiration ♪ ♪ i don't know much ♪ but i know i love you ♪ and that may be ♪ all i need ♪ to know

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welcome back to "the ed show." . we want to replay a clip of our good friend karl rove for you. you remember he went on fox news on monday and was asked about reports dick cheney ordered the cia to keep congress in the dark about a plan to kill al qaeda operatives. here it is. >> the cia briefed congress to this i guess in june and congress immediately leaks it. that zits a violation, i think, of several statutes and

indicative of why it is to zo dangerous to give congress information. >> it's dangerous to give congress information. tonight, we have a congressman from the intelligence committee on the house side that has some thoughts on these karl rove accusations. he wants to talk about dick cheney, cia and i would guess cheney 2.0, aka daughter liz cheney. joining me now is adam smith of washington. congressman smith, good to have you with us. are you a leaker? do you leak information? do your colleagues leak information? >> two things about that. several actually. first of all, it's the law that the executive branch and the cia inform congress about its activities. so it has to be followed regardless of from what flows from it. second, the overwhelming majority of leaks on cia programs come out on the executive branch. yes, there's always the danger when you share information, but the law requires that information to be shared with congress. i will agree that congress and the executive branch need to do

a better job. i didn't want this letter leaked. we sent a private letter to director panetta on this issue and it was leaked afterwards. i do think that was a mistake. it should not have been leak bud that's not an excuse for not following the law. >> can you tell our audience tonight it was no member of congress that leaked that letter? >> i wish i could, ed. i can't. the issue of whether or not the letter was top secret, the program was top secret. we can't talk about that and we haven't, so there's considerable debate on whether or not this was a leak on something we shouldn't have leaked. i would have preferred this to be kept quiet. >> sure, but the accusation from the right is, especially karl rove is that we can't trust the congress with information because they leak. now is this something that has to be addressed? or is he right? >> the implications of that are

so then the executive branch just doesn't have to follow the law and tell us. we have to work very, very hard in congress and the executive branch to make sure this information isn't leaked. but we have to work equally hard to make sure the cia isn't operating programs without informing the congress that it has the legal obligation to exercise oversight. we have to be informed. >> last night on this program, i asked the chairman of the house intelligence committee, sylvester reyes, if he's going to move forward with a hearing. what can you tell us about this and are you in favor of it? >> i am. we are going to investigate this matter. in fact, the chairman sent a letter to the ranking member on the committee, asking him that we go forward and investigate this whole issue. and the issue is, what does the cia have to tell us and what is their record releasing that information to us and informing us. part of it is straightening out exactly when they need to tell us what and making that clear.

it's a bipartisan issue. both are on the intelligence committee who want a better process. >> appreciate your time on "the ed show." new information on the shooting that took place a little while ago. let's go to nb producer ken strictland on the phone. what do you know? >> this was a routine traffic stop about a few blocks from the capitol. and it ended up with the suspect fleeing police, hitting an officer that was outside of a vehicle and ended up with the suspect being shot by capitol police. it all started about 5:15 this afternoon in washington. a police spokesman told us that it was a routine traffic stop

and as police went to make the stop, the suspect fled, and took police on a little chase of sorts. and it resulted in this suspect actually hitting and wounding an officer who was outside of his vehicle. it also involved the suspect driving down a one-way street near the capitol. and eventually the suspect stopped about a block from the u.s. capitol when the police approached the suspect they asked him to come out of the vehicle and show his hands. the suspect produced a weapon police say. police say they asked the suspect to drop his weapon. he didn't and they fired on the suspect. that suspect is dead as far as we know. that's what we know from here. >> just so i heard you correctly, ken, what is the status of the suspect? >> the suspect is dead according to police. police said the suspect produced a weapon when he approached him. he did not drop his weapon and they fired. police say they recovered the gun that the suspect was apparently going to use. >> do we know who this man was

or if he was wanted or a fugitive or anything like that? >> we don't know anything about the suspect right now, ed. u.s. capitol police patrol a wide area near the capitol and it's not uncommon for them to make traffic stops. so we don't have any details on the suspect, except police tell us he produced a weapon, he did not drop it when police told him to drop it and the u.s. capitol police shot him and according to police they killed him. >> okay, ken. thanks for your report tonight. that's breaking news from capitol hill tonight. a man is dead after a routine traffic stop. it was a hit and run. he hit an officer and came out of the car with a weapon and was told to drop it and he didn't. he was shot. stay with us. we have so much more coming up on msnbc. (announcer) imagine one eye drop so exceptional,

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time for "psycho talk." this health care thing is really getting republicans in a lot of water. one is john shadegg of arizona. he came out on msnbc this morning to talk about his new health care plan. first of all, too late. that train already left the station and you weren't on it. putting that aside, congressman shadegg has been spreading the same lies and using the same fear tactics as his righty buddies. public option will destroy your private health care coverage, the government is going to end

up rationing care. long lines, waiting lists, less choice, no freedom. we've heard it all. now, the president has said you can keep your i shurns if you love it. you can pick your doctors if you want to do that. 94% of america will get more choice. he was asked about his plan. how would it work for an accountant who gets fired, has four kids and suddenly doesn't have any more family health insurance? now just don't listen to this. watch it. you've got to watch it. here it is. >> you could decline your emp y employer-based health care and take essentially a tax credit or stipend from the government and go out and buy the plan you wanted. if you stayed with your employer health care plan and lost your job that's stipend to buy a plan of your choosing would be there and you could go buy that plan, either immediately or right after your cobra ran out.

>> did i hear him say that he was going to give money to somebody? holy smokes. that's the government getting involved in health care. let's see. one kid over here and another kid over here. and then you get the wife in the middle and another kid and who gets coverage? sooner or later, the republicans are so mixed up on health care they're playing patty cake. "psycho talk" is getting to me. we'll be right back.

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welt come back to "the ed show." breaking news tonight. there was shooting on capitol hill. a alcohol police officer was hit. one suspect was killed. for the latest let's go to ken strictland on the phone. >> we're waiting for the u.s. capitol police to give us a briefing. they gave a briefing earlier and recapped what they said. it was a routine traffic stop

for the capitol police. they say the suspect fled taking them on a chase on streets around the capitol. when police finally did catch up with the suspect, the suspect showed a weapon. police say they told the suspect to drop the weapon, he didn't, and they fired. police say they've recovered a gun. police say the suspect subsequently died after the shooting. >> we don't know who the suspect is, is that correct? >> we don't. and sfor people who cover washington, they take it very, very seriously. the senate side was locked down. when we first got reports of gunfire outside the capital, we tried to get out of the bidding and we couldn't get out. what i did see, though, is there are medical officers that work inside the capitol and they came running through the capitol to get outside. and we also have some videotape that shows the same people running through the capitol outside treating the suspect with his body being put into an

ambulance. we also have pictures that show a police car with what appears to be blood all in front of it and a crashed mercedes-benz. we're waiting for another briefing from police to give us details but that's what we know so far. >> okay. and most of all, no police officers were hurt in this. there was a hit and run. do we know the condition of that police officer right now? >> you raise an excellent point, ed. the police said during this chase, a police officer south of his vehicle was struck by the suspect's car. we don't know the condition of the officer. the spokesman didn't tell us it was life threatening so we would like to assume he's okay but he was struck by the sus pegt. >> and police are describing this as a routine traffic stop. so they weren't looking for this guy. he run a red light or going too fast, driving erratic, do we know anything about that? >> the u.s. capitol police from vlg to park and drive around here every day take traffic laws very seriously. he could have run a red light, could have been a suspicious vehicle. we don't know the exact details. but they describe it as a

routine traffic stop. when they tried to do their business and find out what was going on, he fled. he was chased. he produced a weapon. police shot him and he died. >> thanks, ken. moving on, another day of sonia sotomayor's confirmation hearings. another grand standing opportunity for the republicans. they kept hammering away, pressing the judge on abortion and gun rights. and of course, they couldn't let that infamous wise latina comment go pop i just want to start with the comments that you made about the wise latina speech. do you stand by your words of yesterday when you said it was a failed rhetorical flourish that fell flat. >> i stand by the words, it fell flat. and i understand that some

people have understood them in a way that i never intended, and i would hope that in the context of the speech that they would be understood. >> joining me now is maria tree is a cumar, founding executive director of voto latina. what do you make of this, having to answer the same questions. >> part of it is i think she was having a flashback when she was a student in princeton, reminded of her latinaness every day. the republicans are really kind of stuck an they're stuck in the old way of doing business and they're really trying to fuel the fire of a cultural war and they're trying to energize the joe the plumber the base. that's dangerous. i believe the reason they're doing it is they know they're gearing up for a fight when it

comes to not only affirmative action but also immigration reform and they want to make sure that joe the plumber knows that they're there for the little guy. >> do you think the republicans are turning off the latinas in this country? >> i think they're turning off women first of all. everything the way they seem to be belittling her in their conversation and the way they keep patronizing her. the comment today when they -- when one of the senators actually said, you know "s'plain" when it comes to lucy -- >> let me play that. he showed his colors on this one, i think. here it is. >> do i have a right to personal self-defense? >> the question that would come up and does come up before juries and judges is how imminent is the threat? if the threat was in this room, if i go home, get a gun, come back and shoot you, that may not

be legal under new york law because you would have alternative ways -- >> you'd have lots of s'plaining to do. >> how do you take that comment? >> i think it's shameful. i think the republican party has a difficult time if they don't realize the demographics of the country are shifting. we're talking an increasing demographic in colorado, new mexico, arizona. you name it. >> what do you anticipate it's going to be like from here on? are the questions going to stay focused on guns and abortion, her comments, the wise latina? or do you think they're going to move on to some substantive stuff? >> i think the wise latina comment keeps them in the headlines and continues to galvanize their extreme base. so i think they'll continue to use it. what i'm more interested in is the questions, when frank richie

starts testifying and folks are testifying both on the majority and minority side, that will be interesting to see how the reaction is on the senate side. >> thank you, maria. for more on today's hearing, let's turn to laura flander, democratic strategist todd webster with us tonight and republican strategist john feary. are republicans taking a black eye in maybe going in the wrong direction with the judge, what do you think? >> i don't think. >> i think they've been mostly very respectful in their questioning. this is a questioning fight. they're asking the questions on the republican side, the kinds of questions that democrats asked of joj roberts and alito on the democrat side. there's not a whole lot of major headlines out of this confirmation hearing. lindsey graham said she's probably going to get confirmed. >> i'm a little worried about the target practice card you have up there. but with bullet crimes at the

capitol and hate triem krooims, i think it's in poor taste. but moving on, this has been a lot of sound and fury signifying the go sp really nervous but not a whole lot. this will concern you, ed, what had to be said about the endless grand standing in the supreme court nomination hearings might delay the schedule sufficient to put off that vote we all want on health care. >> no doubt about it. does this just underscore that the republicans are out of material? or is this just the best way to approach this whole thing? >> look, i think that you have -- you have tom coburn mocking rickiry cay ry kariry i. you have the makings of a cracker caucus going on here, people beating up on this woman because she's latino and female. that does not sit well for a

party that needs to be more inclusive and tolerant to try to rid its of the brand on these fights like immigration and other fights. i think that over the long term it's hurting them or it's certainly not helping them. >> stick around. we have a lot more coming tonight. one last thing. this story has me fired up. a u.s. soldier is refusing to deploy to after again stan because he says president obama is not really the commandner chief. he's one of those conspiracy theorists who is still insisting the president isn't a natural born citizen and that mean he is can't take orders from him. i think this guy is a coward and it's shameful. intimidating or i should say, acting like dick cheney ducking his responsibilities. why is he doing this? this is just an excuse.

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>> the police officer suffer the nonlife threatening injuries. and the officer was actually outside of his vehicle. the officer was on foot. the vehicle then proceeded down louisiana avenue. from my understanding, it's the wrong way. the swreek, which is a mercedes-benz small sedan stopped to rest in the new jersey, the area of new jersey and c street in the northwest. at that point, the officers noticed the suspect had a weapon. the suspect produced a weapon. the officers challenged the suspect. asking him to show his hands, put the weapon down. the suspect did not comply and was shot.

we've since learned that the suspect is dead and we have retrieved a weapon, the suspect's weapon. isle take any questions that you have at this time. we believe there's only one weapon a at this time. >> did he point it at the police officers? >> the officers felt that there was a reason that they were being threatened. they were in fear for their life. and the officers did shoot the suspect. the weapon was a gun. >> did he fire? >> i don't have those details at this point? not at this point. >> what kind of gun? >> it was a handgun. i don't have the details on the type of weapon it was. >> what did they stop him for in the first place? >> it was a routine traffic stop. it was probably for good reason as you see the suspect took off immediately. and the officers were not even able to catch up to the vehicle because he immediately took off. as i said, ahead heding down the wrong way, striking one officer at columbus circle. if i didn't mention, as he went down louisiana avenue the wrong

way ended up at new jersey avenue, my understanding is that there's also a capitol police officer who was on a motorcycle who was also injured. my understanding is that that officer also sustained minor injuries and the suspect was the only person who was transported to the hospital. i believe our officers are still here on scene. >> there are two officers hurt? >> my understanding is there are at least two officers injured. >> do you know the officers involved in the routine traffic stop? >> i have to kbet back to you on that. the initial stop initiated by the alcohol police was by capitol police officer and a cruiser from what i understand. >>' i don't have those details. >> i don't have the details in the number of officers involved in the shooting. i do know for sure two of our officers sustained minor injuries i don't know how many officers were involved -- i don't know.

there was one suspect in the vehicle, only one person. i don't have those details at this point. when the officer -- the officers felt that their lives were in danger. that could mean the suspect pointed the weapon at the officer. whether he shot it is something i can get for you at a later date. i don't have any of those details at this time. it's very fast moving, very fluid. we're not even two hours out from the initial incident. i don't know. i'll have to get back to you later. the suspect does, new jersey avenue. >> was he inside or outside the phoenix when he was shot. >> did you recover a loaded weapon? >> we recovered one weapon. i don't know if it was loaded or not.

i don't have any description on the suspect at all at this point. >> you are watching a live press briefing on the scene of a shooting at capitol hill on new jersey avenue in washington, d.c. it happened -- it all started with a routine traffic stop. it happened at 5:15 this afternoon eastern time. one man is dead. the suspect is dead after a routine traffic stop. he denied the stop by police. he continued on. one police officer who suffered minor injuries. there was a shoot out and that man was killed by capitol police when he refused to put his firearm down. >> we've got more coming for you. (announcer) transform your water. women who drink crystal light drink 20% more water.

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rush limbaugh goes after me on his radio show? listen up. there's a show on msnbc named after a horse, "the ed show." the talking horse. i think they brought the horse out of retirement to host the show. and the horse, mr. ed is talking to a former cia officer jack rice about the sotomayor hearings. and mr. ed, the horse says to the cia officer, i think you come from a profession where keeping your cool is pretty important, did she pass the test today? i love it. . >> i love it. rush, i've got a chance for you. why don't you come on the program. debate me about anything. let's see how good you are, rush, one-on-one, let's go buddy.

be safe as can be. heck, msnbc, we've got the wide screen. you'll fit in there yus fine. back in 2004 when i started a national radio show, the radio show came out to fargo. oh, here's ed show a liberal talker going to do a national talk show and rush said i don't know who this $4 an hour guy from fargo is, he'll never make it. well, rush, here i am at 30 rock. held, i'm doing you a favor. i'm giving you ratings. i'm promoting you right here, rush. come on, let's get after it. your audience would love it. your audience hates me. your audience would love to see you just stick it to me, but you won't do it. because you're a coward rush. i've always thought that. always thought that. now here's what we could do. now listen, it doesn't have to be politics rush. i know you couldn't cut it over at espn calling football games. so what do you say we just take

the field together and tackle each other. we can even take a page out of your old buddy shooter's playbook and do some hunting. i promise i won't shoot you in the face. now, while we're at it, i would like to play some golf, too. rush, don't tell me you cheat at golf. here's an idea. here's an easy one. why don't we go back to the north country and do some water skiing and do a little competition. just how much in the mainstream are you, rush? take the challenge. your listeners would love it. you would show up big eddie on msnbc. who knows. maybe they would cancel my show because you're so good rush.

congressman ron kind will be joining us. he's on the tax-writing committee. he'll give us the real deal next on "the ed show." stay with us. ♪ (laughing) good night buddy good morning dad (announcer) oreo

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elections have consequences. this is a glaring example of that. we have now again committed act of generational theft of laying

an unsustainable fiscal burden on future generations. >> they're spending too much. they're tacking too much to get us there, and they're writing legislation that is totally partisan that isn't going to work. >> oh, the republicans are just sounding so desperate. they are right about one thing. elections do have consequences. president obama did win. the democrats have 60 senate seats. we might just get it done. so conservatives, basically what they're trying to do is scare the american people that the democrats are going to tax their way to health care to pay for it. for some people, that's right, they are. so i thought i would invite a member of the committee that writes the taxes to tell us clearly who's going to have to pony up in all of this. joining me now is wisconsin congressman ron kind. member of the house ways and means committee. good to have you with us tonight. >> hi, ed. >> will middle class americans, i'm talking from $40,000 to

$150,000 income a year, will those households be hit to have to pay for the democratic plan for health care? >> ed, the short answer is know. but the overriding goal here is to figure out a way to reduce costs for all americans from families to businesses, and even for public budgets, because the current system is unsustainable with ever increasing costs which is eroding the wages for most working families today. making it impossible for small business to afford coverage. and it's the fastest growing area of spending in our federal budget today. so we do need health care reform. and the system rewards the value of care that's given as opposed to the volume of care that's given. 98.81% aren't going to get touched on this. you're going a