i watched frank ricci, and mr. vargas, they all looked very smart in their uniforms, very plaintive, i thought they looked like victims, they looked very sad, almost upset. they didn't look like big shots. i think the portrayal of judge sonia so i my yor as a person that gave them a cursory judgment that didn't give them their day in court is hurting her? what do you think? >> i don't think it hurt her. they have always been sympathetic characters, but it's ironic that they're being tarred for not having empathy for the 19 individuals when she's become attacked for perhaps having empathy for other groups. i don't think she was a renegade in that decision, she ruled with the majority of that court, and the supreme court 4 out of 9. not the majority, but four solid justices voted with so i my yor. they followed precedent. john peyton said it bet.

they did follow the set of law. the roberts court has taken this case law in a very different direction. we'll see how long that persists, but they are the ones that ignored precedent. perhaps time will show that they were right, but then the ren gates, not so i my yor. i don't think it's going to matter. >> how is this going down in south philly and places like that? who's wins this argument? >> so i my yor has been doing so well, because it's been a total snooze. what vargas did and what ricci did, is they humanized it, because no longer was this a conversation about obscure legal principles, all of a sudden there was that white guy who was denied his job, even though he did so well on the test. ask me is it going to make a difference? i don't think it will make a difference. what the gop needed to do was thread the needle and draw a

causal connection between the "wise latina" speech and this embodiment and they've not been able to do that. >> joan and michael, thank you very much. join us an hour from now as we cover president obama's speech to the naacp. right now it's time for "the ed show" with ed shultz. i'm ed shultz. this is "the ed show. good evening americans, live from 30 rock in new york, it's the ed show on msnbc. the republicans, believe it or not, are using al qaeda as an excuse to break the law. not on my watch. i want an investigation, and i know americans want the house intelligence committee to move forward. i want to know what democrat is willing to kill health care reform after everything we've heard from the public, i think it will be political suicide.

president obama is putting the pressure on one on one until he gets that 60th vote. i'll have an update on that head didn't count from senator rockefeller at the bottom of the hour. sarah palin is heading south in the polls. it seems that the righties don't like quitters. plus "psychotalk" and a great panel. and get your phones out, because we'll have a poll tonight on a big issue. but first tonight's "odd-ed." they're trying to defend dick cheney for telling the cia to break the law and not brief the congress on a secret program. get this. the ranking republican who was the chair of the house intelligence committee is defending breaking the law, at least that's the way i heard it, listen to pete hubs terr on msnbc this morning. >> it's shocking to me that in the aftermath of 9/11, we would have a program in place, or even

being considered that would think about considering al qaeda leadership and disrupting their organization. >> this is a real question we have to ask some of our colleagues. wouldn't you have wanted our intelligence community and defense department to consider a wide range of activities and programs to decapitate al qaeda? >> i wonder if he ever was a college wrestler. i'll have to check that out. that's a pretty good reversal on the way this things is supposed to work. ho hoekstra revealed the mindset. it's okay to break the law, as long as you're doing it for god and country. these are the same people that are raking sonia so i my yor ov sotomayor. yet when it comes to them in

getting full closure from a republicans on where their heart and mind was, no, that's totally out of bounds, no, we can't do that. another crucial piece of information here about the program and the cover-up has just come out. now, we know that george tenet canceled the program. porter goss, well, he reinstated it. he knew congress wasn't briefed. so the plot thickens here. the republicans keep accusing the democrats of playing politics with intelligence, which is what they always do when they're trying to dodge an investigation. i say the former vice president cheney, he politicized intelligence when he stepped in and told a career cia professional don't brief the congress, we're not going to do this. let's recap where the righty talking points are on all of this. first the republicans say the cia was not required, if that's the case, why did chen yes get involved at all? they claim it wasn't really a program. i don't know what you think, but what did cost a million dollars?

that's an awful lot for something that didn't exist. you mean there was no intent at all here? it's a pattern. when they're stuck in a corner, they always play the osama bin laden card, saying it's okay to break the law as long as you're going after the bad guys. now, i think, folks we have to be curious about this as americans. what else haven't they told us? i think the country wants this investigations, i think liberals in this country want this investigation. they want justice. i think the democrats could pay a political price if they don't do what hardcore lefties in the country wasn't. go for the jugular, let's find out the truth. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. we're going to get the stimulus package going, getting the health care going, but the house intelligence committee has to take the first step forward to go into what some people refer to as the bush crime family. how much did they do that we didn't know about? joining me is congresswoman jan

shah cows can i, chair of the subcommittee on oversight and -- she joins us on the phone. thank you for joining us tonight. i know you're busy, but we've got to clarify this. are you on the same page -- or is sylvester reyes on the same page with you? >> we're meeting tomorrow morning at 9:30 to discuss the investigation. let me say that, as far as i'm concerned, the investigation has begun already. and i think there's no question that the committee feels that this should go forward. exactly the nature, we're going to start talking about tomorrow, but i have to say that i completely agree with you. the other thing is not informing congress, there's no excuse for that. they're making the assumption that if congress were informed, that we would not have endorsed

a program. but after 9/11, everyone was on the same page. the whole world was on the same page, but to cut congress out and deny us the oversight capacity we have, you know what? the committee might have even had a good idea. that is possible, that we might have actually been able to contribute to this. >> okay. so the committee's on the same page, you're telling us unofficially this investigation is under way, and i had another member of the committee tell me that earlier today, adam smith. >> yes. >> so the republican narrative is this is all cover fori and that there really is a gotcha kind of attitude among the democrats that say, we're going to prove to them that they were really breaking the law and we're going to prove nancy pelosi was rightal along. >> if you take nancy pelosi, which is the proper thing to do, because this has nothing to do with her. are we supposed to say it was

all up to the vice president to not inform the consequence thatored that the congress not be informed, that any time the executive branch decides they don't want to tell us what's going on? the law is pretty clear as far as i'm concerned, and we at least ought to explore whether or not there are any laws that have been broken. >> what do you make the pete hoekstra's comment today, that people have to realize what this is all about. are you going to get him on board with this investigation? >> well, the assumption is that the congress -- the democrats on the intelligence committee aren't for getting the bad guys, that we want them threatening americans. he absolutely knows better than that, so i think what pete hoekstra is trying to do is make a political issue, a diversionary political issue, bring nancy pelosi into this when she has nothing to do with it, to take the heat off -- in the way it acted.

>> congresswoman, i think the plot thickens now that we know that george tenet canceled the program. >> well, actually, i say that's right, i learned that from you, so i have yet to know that for sure. >> all right. congresswoman, thanks for your time. she's on the house intelligence committee. for more, let me bring in roy seacoff, founding member of the huffington post. what if the democrats drop the ball on this? what is the back lash politically? >> i think the folks that put alabama in office, they want justice, i think core democrats want to see, you know, nothing but the truth out of all of this, but the fact is i think the lefties want this done. if the democrats don't do it, do you think there will be a political fallout? >> absolutely, ed. i think you have to take it in context. it's like the old pink floyd song "another brick in the

wall." i think this is a real problem area for obama. it's one thing to be disappointed in don't ask/don't tell, or maybe too coddling of wall street, or maybe there wasn't enough put into the stimulus, but this executive power, the question of the wielding executive power cuts to the core of what kind of nation are we? i think that's the question. i think we have to throw away the political calculators when you come to this kind of issue. this is much bigger. are we a nation of laws? or are we a nation that pays lip service to being a nation of laws? >> do you think the lefties of th want this to go forward? do you think they're satisfied with the position of the white house on this? it's been waffling on this. they don't want to look in the past, they want to move forward. >> it's the as it keeps piling up and piling up, it has to come to a moment where you say, who are we? what defines us?

i think this is a defining moment, i think, for america to say what kind of country are we? and it transcends party. i think everybody would be disgusted by this. what you want, ed, is the key here. we don't really know what this program had going on. that's why we have to investigate. it could just be what the guy said about getting al qaeda. if it was just getting al qaeda, that's no surprise to everybody. >> so what's the down side if they put this investigation on steroids and go fast forward here? >> you notice, the political guys that have that are abacuses and counting up points, saying, this may hurt us if they go for health care vote, this may impact if we need a second stimulus, that's the kind of calculation, which is why obama said that he wants to keep looking forward, but at a

certain point, you can't turn a blind eye on what happened in the past. i want to know what you think, folks. i believe in my instinct that the american people want this to go forward. so will the democrats pay a political price if they don't investigate? text "a" for yes and "b" for no to 622639. coming up today was i guess you could say attack day on sonia so i mayor. in my work i depend on my eyes to capture the natural wonder of this planet. that's why i wear transitions lenses to see better today and tomorrow. they adjust to changing light to reduce eyestrain and fatigue. and help protect my eyes from uv damage, like sunblock protects my skin.

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welcome back. today marked the fourth day in the confirmation hearings for judge sonia sotomayor, president obama's pick. looks headed for the supreme court, no question about that. the ranking republican in the committee, jeff sessions, said the righties would not block the confirmation vote. good news. today the judge showed her cool, answering questions on hot-button social issues like

abortions and guns. my next guest was one of the witnesses testifying against the judge. joining me chalmaine yoest. for americans ufighted for life. she's not walked out, so what's the red flag for the group? >> that's the great way to ask the question, ed. if there was one big huge red flag, she wouldn't be sitting there in front of the senators. she has a really compelling personal story, a distinguished professional record, but the truth of the matter is we have to look at the totality of the record and we're putting together factors that we find troubling. the first is the speeches that we've heard about this week,

where she repeatedly over time and on a number of occasions, has expressed the fact that she brings her personal preferences to bear at the bench. >> what human being wouldn't bring their personal feelings and experiences to the bench to give her a better understanding of the law in the situation that people in the courtroom will be facing? >> well, the human being who wouldn't is supposed to be the judge we put in that job. in fact the judicial oath you take you swear to be impartial, and to not bring your personal preferences to bear. >> so why is it that the white guys who are on the supreme court didn't get the same line of questioning that she's getting? does she have to think like an old white guy to be on the supreme court? she can't say i'm a latina woman and this is what i've been through this life and i see it through a different glass, but that doesn't mean i'll go outside the law? >> to be fair, she's the one who's been pretty aggressive out

there giving they speeches multiple times, saying, for example, one of the quotes that i heard in my testimony that hasn't been heard as much, she talked about the creative juices that you use. that's outside our understanding of what an impartial judge is supposed to be and what americans expect. >> for two days she had to answer the question about the speech she gave eight years ago, referring to being a latina woman and the insight she might have. >> why is that such a big deal? eight years ago, she's done a lot on the bench since then and basically apologized both times she was pressed on it. >> let me bring my testimony in, if you don't mind. >> sure. >> we're looking at the totality of the record and we're putting a couple pieces together. the first are the speeches, you don't take that in a vacuum, you take those and look she spent 12 years serving on a board from a group from our perspective that

had a radical abortion agenda. they took six cases forward to the supreme court where they argued over and over going that abortion should be a fundamental right that shouldn't be restricted in any way like parent at notification, informed consent. you and i might disagree on abortion, but an awful lot of people even that i disagree with, you know, come together over the question of parental notification. as a mother, i don't want my daughter to have a surgical procedure without my knowledge. these are the kinds of things that are very common sense. >> why are the republicans not going in full force vote against her then? >> well, you know, i think there's still time to go. i think you've seen the republicans give her tough questioning. >> well, you want the ranks republican tonight, mr. sessions, from alabama saying she's going to get in.

so what you're bringing up doesn't seem to be resonating with the republicans on the committee. >> well, it will be interesting to see what happens. we still have the floor discussion to go. so we'll keep putting forward the truth about how extreme her record was as she was associated with the fund, and i think it's important for the american people to know that, to be on the record. there are still people learning the extent of her record, and so we're very interested in getting that information out there. >> dr. charmaine yoest, americans united for life, i've appreciated the conversation. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. righty lawmakers are out of control on health care again? they're saying if the democrats pass this bill, we're all going to die. i thought that was the case anyway, but anyway, we'll talk about it. they're in "psychotalk" you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc.

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tonight's "psychotalk" has me confused. we're all going to die, it's going around. i guess you could say we are pre-terminal. all right. they're getting some help from

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first of all, can i say it again? hold it right here. this is an option. how many times has the president said, you can keep your insurance if you like it. compared to australia, germany, knew zealand, great britain and yes canada, the united states ranks dead last -- pun intended. that's right, we're 50th in the world when it comes to lifespans. so encouraging for the big one coming. saying that we're going to die if there's a public health care option, that is desperate "psychotalk." and that's lying psychotalk. kelly saunder's nature valley,

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we have talked and talked and talked about fixing health care for decades, and we have finally reached a point where inaction is no longer an option, where the choice to defer reform is nothing more than a decision

to defend the status quo, and i will not defend the status quo. we are going to change health care reform. >> that's my man. now we're getting into it. president obama got fired up on health care today, i guess you could say on the campaign trail in new jersey. he wants reform now, and he ace sick of the nay sayers who have been out and about. shut up, ben nelson, stop acting like a republican. and of course olympia snowe is one they might be able to bring over. nelson told obama slow down. for what? meanwhile, health care legislation took a big step forward to the recent days of the senate doing their thing, and also they approved a reform plan. so here's the hurdle, folks, getting the bill through the senate financial committee. joining me is the chairman of the senate financial subcommittee on health care, senator jay rockefeller.

great to have you with us tonight. >> hi, ed. >> the big hurdle seems to be the money, because even the democrats are saying, gosh, we don't know how we're going to pay for this thing. take us down that road right now. if you had to pay for any plan that was out there, what would you want to do? >> you would want to do the public option, when you and i both believe in, and then med-pack, but the two pillars of saving money over the long haul. it doesn't happen over the first couple years, as nothing does in life. you do a public option, which forces down the price that insurance companies are now successfully getting and in many cases scamming out of our consumers, and you do med-pack, because you don't want the lobbyists in washington and frankly you don't want the congress in washington -- i mean, i have a lot of respect for their fellow congressmen,

but there are relatively few who understand the ins and outs of health care. what do you do? you take it away from congress, take it away from the lobbyists who are paid six, seven-figure salaries to promote a particular project, and you give it to a presidential committee, something like med-pac, and they make a decision, all of them experts, cooley, calmly, with total knowledge, no influence from the lobbyists. they decide how the money will be spent, and then we do it. >> i want to play this, this is mr. boehner on the cost of it all, and i want to get your response to this. >> the one thing they've been pushing, of course, is saying there's no way that the american people can afford $1.5 trillion. here it is.

i guess we'll get to that sound bite at a later time. here's assist being tossed around is the top 1.2% of americans would have to pay 5.4%. would you go along with, with taxing the wealth,? >> i not only would go along with it, i've been trying to push it. if you want to solve all the problems of financing health care reform in one shot, you tax the rich, the top 1%, or probably closer to 2%. it doesn't make any difference. you get up to half a trillion out of that over ten years. that will financial everything we have to do, and we'll have health reform. >> senator ben nelson visited with the president today, and his advice was to go slow on this. i was wondering what your response would be to that about going slow, seeing you've only been working on this for 30

years. you say that a lot of the folks in the senate don't understand the financial of all of this and understand how this would all work, why don't they go along with what the president wants, then, if they don't understand it? >> i think that's a good suggestion. i think sometimes senators and congressmen are scared of change, scared of getting away from what they're accustomed to, scared of not being able to come back and say i got an increase on this or that or medicare. that's on lousy reason. that's what this neutral public health experts are for, to wane all of that out, and then present it to the president. the president sort of gives it to the congress, the congress gets to look at it, but not really vote on it, and it's a

very good plan, ed. people are scared of change. people in congress in an election year with a lousy economy, things go awry abroad and here, and are scared of change. this is not the time to be scared of change. >> no, it's not. time to put the throttle down. thanks for joining us today. >> okay, ed. now let's turn to robert reich, also the all thor of the book "super capitalism" available in paperback. what do you make of this discussion as far as the public option is concerned? is this one that the democrats could lose? >> they certainly could lose, ed. the last 75 years, the american medical association and private insurers have all fought against anything reassembling any government intrusion into health care whatsoever, even though the health care system has gotten more and more insane, so it can be lost. the good news is you've got a very good bill out of the house

that has a public option in it, that pays for health care for everybody by taxing the very, very wealthy, and you have a good bill coming out of the senate labor and health committee. so what you really want to focus on is the bottleneck, and that is the senate financial committee, and then get both chambers to vote on this before they head off for the summer. timing is essential. >> mr. reich, why dough think there are some democrats who are afraid of change? that's all we heard before november. >> i don't know that they're afraid of change. with due respect for senator rockefeller, i think they're afraid of the lobbyists, not getting the campaign contributions they have been getting well, it's time to put them all aside and think about

average working people who are desperate right now, not only the 45 million who don't have health insurance, but the 120 million american families just barely holding onto the insurance they have. all right. you want to play this sound. this is what the republicans are saying about having to pay for this thing. here it is. >> the $1.5 trillion that this plan will cost will be a new tax on small businesses that will destroy more american jobs. >> the cost is going to be born by the people of this country, the middle class, the wealthy, those who can least afford it. all of us are going to be paying an astronomical cost at a time we cannot afford this ambitious grab. >> do you believe that, mr. reich? >> we've heard this fear mongering every time. when bill clinton came up with a plan that was, granted, too

complicated, we have the same groups making the same claims. this time around you have a public option, it's not a requirement, but there is a public option, and also coming out of the house and hopefully the senate, a small, very tiny tax on the top 1.2% of americans who, by the way, now are taking home about 20% of total national income. i mean, anybody can pay for the health of everybody else. it's the wealthy. let's have the wealthy pay for everybody else making sure that america's healthy. it's a good bumper sticker, but it also makes a lot of sense, ed. >> mr. reich, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> thanks very much. let's go to our panel, sirius xm proo talk show host joe madison, and chris christa freeland and ron chrissy. john, a fired-up president obama

today. is that going to help at all? >> i think it will help. i'll bet about half an hour from now he'll fire up naacp delegates at the convention. the message is he has to fire up the constituency, like you have tried to, i have tried to on my show, because that's really the only thing we have to counter what you just heard the senator talk about and the former secretary of labor and that is the power of lobbyists. >> christa, how much of a role is the president going to play from this point on? it seals like he might be doing some arm twisting on conservative democrats, but if he doesn't deliver, as joe just said, he's going over to talk to the naacp.

if he doesn't deliver a public option, is he really failing his constituents who helped put him in office? labor? wage earners in this country? new people to the process? the young demographics in the process that all hope and change, and the naacp, what if he doesn't get public option in? >> this president like to talk about the best being the enemy of the good, and is very much focused on achieving what is achievable. having said that, i agree with you that the public option is really essential for true health care reform. one of the nightmare outcomes that you could have is some sort of reform, which is a half measure, and ends up making things worse. i think the way you could get to that would be maybe to have coverage extended, but not to have action taken to bring down the costs, which is one of the things that the public option could do. one of the really the ridiculous

things about the american health care system, if you look at it from the outside is america spends more on health care than other western industrialized countries, significantly more, but actually has equal or in most cases worse outcomes, so you should be able to have reform that gives more coverage and cost less money. i think it has to be the target that the president has to aim for. >> why don't the republicans just give president obama what he wants? and if his public option is so bad and it doesn't work and costs so much money, heck, you guys will stroll right back into power and get whatever you want? why not let him go down the road? it's what the people want? >> i think that's a really good point, and i think the republican opposition to the public option reflects a certain lack of, if you think it's so terrific, then let it compete. >> ron, what do you think of that?

>> i got to tell you, i think the republicans are doing the smart thing by putting the foot downed and ending the trifecta of irresponsibility. first you had the stimulus bill, now unemployment is 9.5%, then we had the cap and trade bill, the republicans said it would reduce global emissions. now you have this health care bill, the cost is astronomical. what i find astounding, ed, if you look at american today, nearly 49% of the american people have chronic disease or will develop it. this is a $1.6 trillion bill, and they haven't spent anything in this bill dealing with prevention. >> i think there is quite a bit about this in prevention, coming from the het committee, and in fact the public option is all

about prevention, ron. >> i hate to tell you, ed, i'm a health care expert. 75 cents out of every dollar spent in this country is for chronic disease. there is not hardly a nickel in this bill dealing with prevention of chronic disease. that is the major driver of health care costs in this country. if we want an honest discussion about -- >> we're having an honest discussion. >> if we want to talk about how to reduce health care, why aren't we dealing with chronic disease? >> how people with chronic disease, but can't get coverage because of a preexisting condition? that's what this public option will do for people. >> i'm more worried about the costs. >> now, wait a minute, it's not what you're worried about, ron. >> no, no. >> it's about what's available to the american people? >> no, no, no. >> we're doing nothing to ensure that the people are taken care of. >> what an eliti statement. i'm more worried about the cost than people staying alive? wait a minute, let me get it

this time. here's what you can do with chronic disease, as someone who had obesity, you put tax on potato chips, fast food, cigarettes, tobacco, i know i'm losing friends, let that be used to help pay for this, but didn't we just hear senator rockefel r rockefeller, who i think is among that top 1%, 2%, say, look, i don't have a problem with us paying a little more and making sure we've got a healthy country? if we've got a healthy country people with go to work, can pay taxes, and we've got a problem, but you have one other option action and my dear friend there in washington, the other option, and ed, you're absolutely right, not only the trifecta, but the fourth option is you have an election coming up. if it doesn't work, you know and he knows the democrats are out of there. >> if this does go through and people get covered, i don't know

why republicans would want to say we're the obstructionist party even though the american people want this. >> the fear is that it will work. >> exactly. you start covering americans, and guess what? there will be a bunch of democrats. stay with us, we've got more coming up. right now more details for the soldiers who will not go to afghanistan, because he doesn't believe president obama is an american citizen. it looks like this was nothing but a right-wing setup. stay with us.

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welcome back to "the ed show." sarah palin now out of alaska. it looks like the republicans may be quitting on her. a new gallup poll shows her

popularity has dropped since she announced her recent ig nation. it was 81% of the folks feeling that way after the election. among all voters, only 43% say they have a positive view of sarah palin. here's my take. sure, the republicans don't like the fact that she's quitting her job and stuff like that, but show me who the star power who, who's got the star power in the republican party right now. she still is the rock stair for the republicans. if you were going to go out on the stump tore and you're running for office, who would you want? we'll throw it to our panel tonight. ron, we'll start with you. what do you may of sarah palin dipping a bit when it comes to the numbers? >> gee, ed, you know, you guys on the left, you crack me up. 72% favorability rating and you think there's a crisis. president obama doesn't have 72% approval rating. >> ron, i agree with you 100%,

72% is a high approval rating. i just wish you guys would use that number when it comes to health care, because that's how many people want a public option. you can't have it both ways. >> let's not go there. let me say this. there was five years ago an obscure senator from chicago, and you guys are obsesswood sarah palin. >> i think there's a bit of talent difference there. >> yeah, there is a bunch of difference there. ed, let me finish that point, since you're going to be snarky. she was mayor of a city, and governor of a state. you guys will rue the day. >> i got to be in this. what goes around comes around. i was talking to thelma houston today, and she felt like i did. when sarah palin was at that republican convention and you talk about being snarky about

being a community organizers, those of you who have been community organizers felt that. what goes around comes around. the reality is i was at a republican event when she walked into this fund-raiser for members of congress, and she barely got a recognition or round of applause. look, i don't care one way or the other, come on, be honest, she has cashed in and that's what she's going to do, write books, and she's going to go on shows, and she's going to start a p.a.c. >> let's start this number, gallup 2012 gop candidates, if you were to throw the names in the happen, look at romney. christa, is romney the guy that people would take on the campaign trail? >> i think mitt romney looks good when you're not campaigning and when you're talking about issues, especially when the economy is the issue you're talking