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and they're releasing a video, what's priority number one now for the military? >> well, i'm sure ever since this soldier went missing, contessa, it's been an intense effort to recover him. they haven't gotten him yet. that's too bad. the first few hours and day are important. now we're going to have to have a very protracted effort to either negotiate his release or discover him and release him hopefully. this is a painful situation. allegedly, he wandered out of his base, maybe with three afghan counterparts, whatever that means. may have been a set-up to abduct this poor kid. been in the army a year. great young man. >> given what you know about the military situation there, how likely is it that he left the
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operating base where he was on his own accord or just walked away without having his commanders know where he was and why. >> well of course this is unknowable and the armed forces are not saying precisely what happened. i imagine the three allegedly afghan counterparts that worked with him are being questioned on what role they played in all of this. but again, it's amazing when you think about it, in seven and a half years of war, we've had a handful, i think it's less than ten, soldiers missing or captured in either iraq or afghanistan. with previous conflicts, we'd have 70 or 80,000. it's unusual and painful. >> general, it's good of you to join us. we are watching this briefing and expecting some questions to be directed toward secretary gates. the president is marking his
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sixth month in office with a major push to pass a health care reform bill. he said the nation can't stick to the status quo. >> we've talked this problem today, year after year. but unless we act, none of this will change. >> the house democrats plan, $1.5 trillion to give 13% more people health care coverage. does that make good financial sense? and if skyrockets health care costs are such a concern, why are lawmakers focussing on health coverage rather than an ov overhowl of the way we do health care? let's ask brian williams. is this really about president obama trying to use his political capital before it's gone? >> you have to look at the presidency as a checking account. there's a will the of talk about him trying to do too much.
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everything you do at president draws down that balance. he'll never have it barring some unforeseen event, as good as he has it now. al franken comes to town, i'm not coming to town as a 60th vote for democrats, but guess what, franken is the 60th vote. strike now while the iron is hot. problem is, you can't rush something like that. >> we've had a lot of different approaches, some of which aim at controlling costs. i've got to ask you another big story we've been following here. the passing of walter cronkite. he really was, i know in journalism school and for you, too, he was the gold standard in tv news. what's his legacy for television journali journalism? >> before i came here, i
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finished a note to his son, chip. his legacy is that tonight and every night, more americans watch the so-called big three evening newscasts, then any other single source of news in the united states. nothing comes close. i think that is in part the legacy of walter cronkite. and i think the journalism is still getting done and severed. it's what i'm about to walk down the hall and do. we have the best team in the business doing it. we put the best broadcast on every night. the fact that people will e-mail us and disagree is an indication that we're in a new era and that's fine. things change, but the guts, the bones, the dna remains the same. >> let me play what president obama had to say about his passing. >> walter was always more than just an anchor. he was someone we could trust to guide us through the most important issues of the day. a voice of certainty in an
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uncertain world. he was family. walter invited us to believe in him and he never let us down. this country has lost an icon and a dear friend and will be truly missed. >> i've read that presidents quake in their boots at what walter cronkite would say because it meant so much. are we beyond that now? is there any one authority anymore? >> i think we probably are only because walter was one of three choices on television. he had vast influence and no single media soul has that anymore. i think most americans would argue they should not. opinion has become kind of a dime a dozen. here's cronkite, who broke tradition once and went public with his opinion on the vietnam war. that's when lbj said if i've
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lost cronkite, i've lost middle america. lost his composure twice. >> i wanted to play his sign off. >> old anchormen you see, don't fade away. they just keep coming back for more. and that's the way it is. friday, march 6, 1981. i'll be on assignment and dan rather will be sitting in the next few years. >> what do you think you take from him personally when you're preparing? >> i think we're all billing on that dna he gave us. i think there's a seriousness of purpose. we try so hard to get it right. we try to keep it serious, cleanse it of opinion, attitude and ideology. that's interesting because we
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now know that it was bittersweet. that retirement was not the thing he wanted to do in his retirement years were cast in some sadness. >> maybe you should keep that in mind should the day come. >> often, it's not up to the individual. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. a mother has a couple of heros to thank for saving her children. take a look at some video we have. the van crashed into a tree, burst into flames. two women saw what happened and yelled for their husbands. those men, milwaukee firefighters, pulled the mom and her two kids from the flames. >> really, this was a complete
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team effort. if it wasn't for you know, the citizens that were bashing that window open that gave us access to the child, things would have been different. >> i think everyone here should give a round of aplouz to these three great public citizens. >> the 4-year-old was rushed to the hospital with third degree burns and two rescuers were burned as well. and another fire rescue, this on the water. a boat got an sos call from a fishing vessel on fire. before they could get there, the boat rescued three trapped men before the boat broke apart. we're expecting there are going to be tough questions about that captured soldier in afghanistan and what the military is doing to try and retrieve him. up next, six months and counting. we'll take a look at whether the president has kept his promise to reach across the aisle. we have live pictures coming in of a train derailment in ft. worth, texas. this is from kxas and you can
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we are breaking news from ft. worth, texas. kxas on the scene of a train derailment. this is a freight train. you can see several cars, looks like maybe a couple of them are the kind of cars that would carry some kind of liquid or grain. it looks like it has just come right off the track. that yellow one has come off the track. no word on how this happened or injuries.
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again, this is in ft. worth, texas. it's about half an hour or so west of texas. the trains there are an integral part of transporting goods throughout the state of texas. they're going to have some rail lines there for quite some time. we're working to get more information and what happened here. sarah palin is now in her final stretch as governor. she steps down next weekend. what does her future hold? she's not saying, but during recent trips around alaska, palin did say, it's not farewell, but see you soon. those are her words. words of wedding bells for chelsea clinton. the word is, the last weekend in august on martha's vineyard. the same time president obama
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the need for reform is urgent and indisputable. we can't afford the politics of delay when it comes to health care. not this time, not now. >> today, the president calling for quick action on health care, trying to rally both sides. but the clock is ticking. can he deliver on both affordable health care and partisanship? let's bring in a.b. stoddard
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and -- a.b., is it a problem that barack obama began his term by allowing congressional democrats to craft legislation? >> yes, now that we see the results of the stimulus, if they turn out, if it turns out to be a success, it is a slow beginning. the reviews now are satisfactory to poor. it was a decision by the administration to let congress craft that bill and now, he owns it. it's always on the shoulders of the president and because it's been slow to start, it hasn't mitigated employment. we're now about to pass 10%. it has poisened the well for these other debates. energy reform and most importantly, health care reform. people are scared to spend money, scared of the deficit and
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debt. not enough unity to come together around a single bill now. >> a few months ago, we were talking, todd, about republicans digging in, taking a stand against certain legislation because nancy pelosi was putting her stamp of approval on it so they were more willing to take her on than the president. has that changed? >> it doesn't appear to have changed. remember that stimulus vote? how many republicans voted for it in the house? zero. so, now it's time for health care and time to spend another trillion dollars and they don't see much of a reason to get on board. i'm one of the people who thinks the senate is more important now. the numbers in the house are scary. the numbers in the senate are scary as well. in these types of situations with big policy that lasts ten years, it's often the senate where the real policy is made.
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you still need the 60 votes. most likely they don't want to go this jackhammer reconciliation route. >> when we're gaunlging the president, his willingness to reach across the aisle, we know that last week look k at this health care bill. there were 160 republican-sponsored amendments. if you include republican ideas, is that enough even if you don't get the votes, a.b.? >> well, i think if health care ends up passing, it will be a great feat. i don't think he's going to get a lot of republican support. little or none. i don't know that americans are used to thinking of republican amendment as a huge contribution to a bill. they really look at votes for
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final passage. the white house is spinning the inclusion of republican ideas into the legislation. when you don't have votes, it's going to be painted as partisan bill. >> we've seen all those photos of the president inviting the republican leaders to the white house, he plays basketball with them, he's trying to convince them he's interested in their ideas and yet, he's gotten some criticism. in 2007, he said there are some times where we need to be less bipartisan. i'm not interested in cheap bipartisansh bipartisanship. we should have been less bipartisan entering the iraq war. and now when he's giving criticism, why bother with the republicans. is the era of bipartisanship over? >> i don't know if it's over. i think it goes issue by issue and a lot depends on how popular
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a president is and how much he needs congress. the approval ratings below 50%, but he would probably like a couple of votes, especially in the senate. >> as a symbol? >> if you pass a strictly partisan bill, there's a good chance that the next guy gets the majority, and he will, to overturn your policy. you get five, six, seven on board -- one other thing, bipartisanship generally means you're free to join me if you want. >> todd, a.b., thank you. we still don't know exactly what killed michael jackson, but officials don't have enough evidence to charge anyone with murder. that doesn't mean the doctors are off the hook.
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jeff rossen is in burbank following the story. if they're not looking at this like a homicide, what are they looking at in terms of criminal wrong doing? >> reporter: the sources do say that the homicide investigators are involved. remember, a homicide isn't necessarily a murder. a homicide can be anything that's not a natural cause death. what you're hearing now from the reporting is that investigators may not have enough evidence yet. the keyword here being yet, to charge anyone with murder, which is a pretty high burden of proof. sources are telling us it would be less than that. involuntary manslaughter, wreckless homicide. we should tell you this investigation is far from over. investigators have been on the record saying there's a 24-hour news cycle, isn't like a tv show
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and it takes weeks and months to build a case. to charge doctors and to follow that trail back, which is what they're doing now. >> thanks for the update. a posting on the internet and suddenly the streets in taiwan, a spontaneous michael jackson tribute. hundreds of people showed up just days after it was announced online. they danced for the minute to "beat it." jackson in fact performed in taiwan 16 years ago and inspired thousands of would-be dancers and performers. we've been watching a pentagon briefing this hour and are looking at admiral mullen. they've announced they're going to expand the five of the army, but interestingly, also talked about the efforts to find that young soldier captured by the taliban in afghanistan.
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welcome back to msnbc. we're keeping our eye on a pentagon briefing and robert gates and the chairman of the joint chiefs were just asked about their search for that young soldier, bowe bergdahl, captured in afghanistan, being held by the taliban. let me play the reaction. >> well, let me, because the admiral just got back from there, let me ask him to address, but i would just say that first of all, our commanders are sparing no effort to find this young soldier and i also would say my reaction was one of disgust at the exploitation of this young man. >> i deplore the exploitation of him and would just reaffirm what
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the secretary said having been with the forces in fact who are conducting the operations to recover him or to find him. they are extensive, vast, they're on a 24/7 and we're doing everything we can to get him back. >> retired u.s. army general is our military analyst and joins us again. what kind of things might that entail, looking to private private bergdahl? >> first of all, it's hard to know the facts. apparently, he was moved north from the capture site, which is in eastern afghanistan. probably he's now well under cover. that could have been a cover story in and of itself. normally, to get these people back, the first 24 hours is when you want to catch with up them. it's going to be very difficult
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now. possibly the afghans negotiating with the taliban, but we'll keep your fingers crossed. great young soldier. too bad. he's under very difficult circumstances. >> what might his captors want? >> i think to be honest, i thought it was good news they put him on video. it tells his family and friends he's still alive. they'll try and exploit him as best they can for propaganda value. they've already prompted soldiers to ask to bring him out of afghanistan, he wanted to learn more about islam. all of this will be discounted by his friends and comrades who will be hopeful that he can stay alive. >> we are more now on the amazing story of how a group of people pulled a women and her children from a burning car. two off-duty firefighters and a group of citizens worked
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frantically to rescue the family from the flames. the fire chief says this was a team effort. >> this was an extraordinary rescue effort by all involved. the two firefighters, police department, citizens, all really gave their all. >> with me on the phone now is joel, one of the firefighters who helped pull out that family member, a 4-year-old boy. joel, i understand, did you suffer some injuries as well trying to get the family out? >> yes, i did. both my brother and i sustained burns through our hands and arms. mine were a little more severe in that they were second and third degree burns up my arms where my brother's were more on his hands. also suffered some minor cuts. >> and typically, in our role as
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a firefighter, when you approach a fire, you'd be in gear and have hoses nearby. this happened when you were off duty, so what went through your mind when you saw this? >> you know, the first thing that came to our mind was, is there someone actually trapped. you could tell by the action, all the bystanders that yes, there was another person trapped. from there out, our training and our experience as firefighters came into play. we knew the danger involved. we knew we were probably going to sustain some type of burn, but to have a 4-year-old boy burning in front of you, all of that's off and you're going to do whatever it takes to save that child. >> joel, did you have a get, i don't know, a seat belt unbuckled, out of some sort of
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restraint? >> correct. the child was in a booster seat and was using the lap belt. it was restrained at two points. because the fire was very intense, everything around was starting to burn. at first, we tried to unbuckle the child, but couldn't locate it with all the debris and the car was on it side. it was very hard. and then again, we tried to lift the latch up over its head and pull him out, but to no- avail. my brother was screaming for in somebody to give him a knife and someone gave us a knife and my brother went in and cut the child, cut the restraint to remove the child. >> good work to you and your brother, john, as well, who hopped. the off-duty police officer as
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well as those bystanders. it's amazing to see the quick work of those people. we're waiting to hear word about that 4-year-old, currently listed in current condition. thank you. >> thank you so much and our prayers go out to that little boy. >> absolutely. on this day, 40 years ago, man set foot on the moon. the successful "apollo 11" mission put the astronauts in the history books. today, they said the best way to honor the mission is to put a guy on mars. with me now, jay barbree, the only person on the planet who has covered every man's launch out of cape canaveral. take us back to that day and how historic it was for you. >> well, about this time, a minute, an hour and 40 minutes away from landing on the moon and buzz and neil were waiting
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for mission control for pdi. powered, decent, initiate. when they got that, they started letting down the eagle on the sea of tranquility. but then got an executive overload on their computer. we have to remember the computer they were using to land on the moon 40 years ago today, had less computer capacity that what we're using here, the skype. but it was a wonderful day, the most historic day of my life. >> jay, and i apreesh you getting my name right that time. it's interesting when we pautal about in our mission to space and the goal of buzz aldrin. he has said it publicly, that we should be aiming big. we should be aiming beyond the moon and to put a man on mars.
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what can we accomplish if we send man's missions to mars? >> i think the question is, tessa. i'll get it right this time. we know one another real well. >> we do. >> what we have to do, we live on a planet that's 8,000 miles in diameter. it may be good for us to stay on this whole country, it may not. but we have to leave. we have to go elsewhere. it only stands to reason that the first colony that we should build should be on the moon, our nearest neighbor, then on out to mars because if this species, the human species is going to survive, we're going to have to get off this planet. no ifs, ands buts.
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>> this from the man who is the gold standard in the industry. thank you. now to an industry suiting up to ride the wave of the rescission. it may hurt bathing suit designers, but the international swim wear trade show has grown. michelle kosinski is covering hot people in little swim suits. >> reporter: didn't jay just say ifs ands or buts? this is the biggest industry in the world. you think in this economy, a swimsuit for the year would be an extra. believe it or not, analysts are telling us 8% down, swimwear was up 11%. if they're not going ton
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vacation, maybe they're by the pool. you can't really substitute other stuff for swimwear. something else that's shocking is not the amount of skin we're seeing, but the amount that's covered up. here are two suits, both inspired by bathing suits from the 1950s. something your mom or grandmother would have worn. they're really pretty. elegant. the red one actually turns into a dress. that's one way that swimwear manufactures are able to sell more because they're trying to make things more versatile. another thing about being covered up, cover-ups are a way the swimwear industry has been able to expand. we're seeing things like dresses, tops and pants that are still considered swimwear. this bathing suit was designed in 1952, so the designers are
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telling us this is about a return to happier times in this economy. >> interesting. thank you for showing that off. we have breaking news. the federal judge has ruled that cia officials committed fraud to protect a former covert agent against a lawsuit. the court documents were unsealed today and the judge says one cia attorney should face disciplinary action because this was fraud. and what the impact on the broader story might be here. you're watching msnbc. two medium cappuccinos,
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let's go. >> 500 meters. >> i got him ahead. >> a peak at the new show, "the wanted." the stars are not actors and conversations not scripted. viewers get a look at the hunt for terrorists.
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joining me now, one of the world's preimminent authorities, it's good to have you here. tonight, what are we going to see, roger, when the show opens? >> the show's going to open with a discovery period. it's a few folks sitting around trying talk talk about a person in norway. we're trying to figure out if he's bad enough to go after. the conclusion is yes and at that point, we start the pursuit of one who's accused of terrorism. >> and everyone involved has experience in terms of tracking down terrorists. so you're applying it in a new and different way? how is the work different than the work you were doing when you were working with the intelligence officials with the u.s. government? >> well, in some ways, we're doing what we've always done, but this great team of individuals are tracking these individuals down and doing the
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things they normally do, using all the techniques they have used in years worth of experience throughout their careers. >> i'm thinking, "cops" on a global scale. so you find this guy, cracker, is that his name? >> yes. >> then what happens? lock him up, bring him back for bounty? >> it becomes an exhaustive process to try to see if the thourts in norway can take action. we're trying to follow the rule of law by the government in norway. >> what did you find out? >> all kinds of things. the show is really going to be
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an important catalyst for action around the world. various governments, european, the united states, it's a good question. what are they doing with these people? i think that "the wanted" is going to cause that to happen. >> i can see the fingers in government seeing that, maybe they'll go after osama bin laden. maybe you guys would have luck. we're looking forward to it. the premier is tonight at 10:00 eastern. they're meeting certain journalists standards as well. the first lady is getting her hands in the dirt. the white house says she is out to promote policy, not to make it. last month, she announced the
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release of $851 million in stimulus money for health centers. norah o'donnell is in washington today. specifically, i know she's lending her efforts to the health care push. what's she doing? >> you mentioned that $851 million she talked about last week as part of building these health clinics. she's become one of the most visible surrogates for the president on health care. i've learned in speaking with her advisers, she's going to have another event next week on health care. also an event on military families. two policy issues which are very important to her and her husband's agenda. what's interesting as we look at this in the context of six months, what's different about her role, in many ways, she had this listening tour. the leading part is starting. she's starting more, thinking more strategically. mrs. obama has a new chief of staff, a long time friend. i think we'll really see the first lady step out there, more
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than she has in the past. she's now working closely with the west wing about how she can augment, support, build on the president's agenda as well as keep those issues that are important to her. >> it's sort of like she's reversing hillary clinton's timeline, who pushed for health care reform, then we want on her tour. thank you. is cable tv's hit vampire series actually about conservative politics? we'll talk to one person who thinks so after a quick break. stay with us. you're invited to the chevy open house. where getting a new vehicle is easy. because the price on the tag is the price you pay on remaining '08 and '09 models. you'll find low, straightforward pricing. it's simple. now get an '09 malibu 1lt with an epa estimated 33 mpg highway. get it now for around 21 thousand after all offers.
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we're just getting in, president obama speaking with the apol"apollo 11" as nouts. >> that is there to this day and
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it's because of the heroism, calm under pressure, the grace with which these three gentlemen operated, but also the entire nasa family that was able to, brave risk oftentimes with great danger, was somehow able to lift our sights. not just here in the united states, but around the world. we now have a wonderful nasa administrative and deputy administrator. we are confident they are going to do everything they can in the decade to come to continue the inspirational mission of nasa. i think it's fair to say that the touchstone for excellence
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for exploration and discovery is always going to be represented by the men of "apollo 11" and so i'm grateful to them for taking the time to visit with us. the country continues to draw inspiration from what you've done. i should note just personally, i grew up in hawaii, as many of you know, and i still recall sitting on my grandfather's shoulders when those capsules would land in the middle of the pacific and they'd get brought back. we'd go out and pretend like they could see us as we were waving at folks coming home. i remember waving an american flag, my grandfather telling me that the apollo mission was an example of how americans could do anything they put their minds to. i also know that as a consequence of the extraordinary work of nasa generally, that you
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inspired an entire generation of scientists and engineers that ended up really sparking the innovation, the drive, the creativity back here on earth and i think it's very important for us to constantly remember that nasa was not only about feeding our curiosity, that sense of wonder, but also had extraordinary practical applications and one of the things that i've committed to doing as president is making sure that math and science are cool again and that we once again achieve the goal by 2020 of having the highest college graduations rates of any country on earth, especially in the math and science fields. i think on this 40th anniversary, we are all of us thankful and grateful to you for
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what you've done and expect that there's as we speak, another generation of kids out there who are looking up at the sky and are going to be the next armstrong, collins and aldrin and we want to make sure that nasa is going to be there for them. thank you so much. >> big meeting from the men who became legends with the first walk on the moon, part of the "apollo 11" mission. buzz aldrin has been on a very public campaign because he wants nasa to think bigger and wants the nation to pay for it. i'm contessa brewer. that wraps up this hour for me. tamron hall and david schuster pick it up from here. they have the latest on what's happening to get that captured soldier back from the taliban. this is msnbc. the world is full of priceless things and amazing deals.
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the family members just don't want to to do, or risk doing anything to inflame the situation. >> friends and family knew for weeks about a hometown soldier captured by the taliban, but kept quiet, praying for his release. >> we knew that passing health care reform wouldn't be easy. >> all obama, all the time. the president launches a major media blitz on health care. also, our special look at the first six months of the obama presidency. plus -- >> the "apollo 11" moon landing 40 years later. what it took to get there and will we ever go back? we'll talk to the second man on the moon. and what kind of police officer badgers kids for selling
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lemonade? and he also got the law wrong. it's today's "crossing the line." i'm david schuster. great to be here. >> absolutely. you're here all week. i'm tamron hall. the big picture we're following, an american soldier in the hands of the taliban. 23-year-old bowe bergdahl was captured just months after he arrived in afghanistan. the video was released over the weekend. officials in his hometown say his family is struggling and the community is supporting them. >> they're only doing as well as can be expected. you've got to think of yourself in this situation, how tough that would be. they're just total focus is on bowe. we're a small community. we know each other. it's really hard. >> and some

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