>> "way too early," liked by many. that's what i learned today. >> i learned that love is still alive and well in america. how did i learn that? from watching the "bachelorette" last night. >> i like the beatles over the stones. >> i learned my cell phone rings now between 5:30 and 6:00 a.m., and i will not answer it because it's an ambush from willie. >> i learned the all-important health care bill allows us to talk about obesity, and health

care and shots. if it's way too early? >> mika, it's "morning joe." now it's time for the "morning meeting." good morning to you. nice to see you. i am dylan. welcome to the "morning meeting." topping the agenda today, we will look at those connecting the dots between the drug that killed michael jackson and the doctor that gave it to him. and then there is a sign that capitalism is broke. the point of capitalism, i thought, was you get paid if you

create value for somebody else. why would you need to regulate that? we will have that conversation coming up. don't ask and don't tell. why now? do we need this debate right now? we are dealing with a variety of domestic issues, or is this the way to do it. empty all the closets at once, and we will take it from there. and culture expert, touri and i went head to head. the computer has the answers. we will have the conversation. pull up a chair. the meeting begins right now.

we have new developments in the michael jackson case. jeff is on the beat. >> reporter: we are learning new information from law enforcement sources telling us it was dr. conrad murray that administered the drug. the ap reported that michael jackson was getting an i.v. drip to basically go to sleep. and then he would wake up by shutting off the drip. legal experts would look at that and argue that that could show criminal activity if that's

true. and the police sources are trying to connect the dots between all of this. and his lawyer continues to maintain that dr. murray did nothing wrong, and released a color statement, i would say, dylan, about this. he says i feel like a horse swatting flies. everybody needs to take a breath and look for the toxicology results. for goodness sakes, it's michael jackson, he wrote. that's basically what you have on the end of it. and you also have the custody situation going on, separate from all of this. and i had an interesting off-camera conversation with debbie rowe yesterday, who is the biological mother two michael jackson's two older children, and i asked if she was close to a possible custody deal, and she said everything

would work out. she said she wanted her kids to have a private life. and i asked her why she stayed so silent and stayed in the shadowed and why not get the message out and she says it's a private matter and she wants to keep it that way. >> yeah, when you are the most famous and well known child of pop stars in the world, that's a good that they would try to do that and we should support them. >> what is the story with the doctor? did he kill michael jackson or not kill michael jackson? what is the drug? etc., etc. joining us to answer some of the questions, dr. nancy snyderman. we also have courtney hazlett . and then the panelists of the

day, and gleefully i might say, jonathan capehart from the washington post, and then -- what did you do for hillary clinton. >> i worked in the white house for hillary, and then -- >> you were the one that would say, i really hate that person. >> yeah, and i would say that on television. let's talk michael jackson first. dr. nancy, what is the drugs. what are we dealing with? >> it's a very powerful sedative. it's used for outpatient surgery. sometimes in-patient surgery. it's not asleeping aid. >> if you give it to me right now, what would happen? >> it would drop you to the floor. >> there is a lot of people that

would love that. it's supposed to be given by an anesthesiologist, who is supposed to know what they are doing. an ekg already been having done. and okay, they say, count from 10 to 1, and you go, 10, 9 -- clunk! >> what a lot of people don't realize, do you remember when katie holmes was president, she brought a machine in her home. and they have access to set up something like this. i think it would be interested to see what was really inside

his home. we have heard all of these things about going back to never land and the secret rooms and stuff like that. >> sure. >> would you put it past him? i wouldn't. >> obviously not. nobody is going to put that past him. and just to finish the doctor narrative, and then i want to come back to some of the lifestyle stuff, but in the scope of drugs that a doctor could give a person outside of the conventional use, giving a drug like this to somebody in their home, even if they built their own in-home surgery center -- in other words, it's one thing for a doctor to over prescribe -- >> well, i have a narcotics license and i am allowed by law, by the feds to get that drug. i could prescribe it. >> if i said, hey, nancy, i want

to get knocked out, could you get me some of the probe acall -- >> i would not know how to write the prescription for it. a fapharmacist would say why do you need this? there should have been red flags raised all the time. which races the question, was there a little group involved. >> would taking this drug -- taking this drug does not inherently equate to a fatality? >> no, but it races the question if you are asking for it because you have to sleep, it means other things are not working. we know a diet drug was found in his home. you start to put together a possible -- i underscore possible scenario, you take

uppers through the day, and you can't sleep then, and then the normal sleeping things are just not working. >> i was speaking to his personal nurse over the weekend, and one of the things she told me is he was losing five pounds a day in water weight due to rehearsing and sweating, and that's dehydration, and then improper rehydration creates a trigger for serious cardiac problems. >> exactly. >> when you look at the big pictures, there are so many things that play into that. >> you are saying using pharmaceuticals to allow yourself to function in the day and then knock yourself out at night is a bad lifestyle? >> yeah, i would say it's right there in the margins. it will be a first for me if this holds true. >> i wanted to get a little bit of an education on this. we will come back for this.

you two sit tight. contessa has the breaking news. there was news in baghdad. jim is following the breaking details from the pentagon now. what are you learning? >> even by iraqi standards, this was a huge hit. a group of criminals broke into a state-owned bank in central baghdad overnight, and killed eight guards and then used dynamite to blow up the safe before making off with the equivalent of $7 million. the question that comes to mind, was this an inside job? there were instances in the past

where baghdad and iraqi authorities were involved in criminal activity. what does this mean? is this the start of a new crime wave after the withdrawal of the american forces from the street on june 30th. not that the americans would get involved in law enforcement, but their presence made it detoured. >> the robbery comes as defense secretary robert gates visits troops as an advisor, and he will meet with prime minister, nuri al maliki, and others. the date is set. gates and crowley will meet for a beer with the president. they are trying to smooth things over after the arrest of gates

at his cambridge home. no word yet on what professor gates will choose to drink. the 911 tape has been released -- we don't have it. the caller told the dispatcher that one man looked hispanic, but she was not sure. she also said she was not sure if the men had keys or they were trying to break in, she did not know. the police report says she saw two men with back packs. we have been talking about race here with the arrest about

race. do they have automatic racial biases? >> he claims to love black people, and i asked him if that means he does not love white people, and he said no, he loves all people, but he really loves black people. >> how did it go? >> well, that's the tease. it's very interesting. the results are worth sticking around for. let's say we have moderate racial preferences on the set. and sonia sotomayor one step closer to the supreme court. they will vote in less than an hour. of the seven republicans on the committee, she can expect the support of just one. most have said they will vote against her. and dylan, those are the news

headlines right now. >> lovely headlines they are, contessa. thank you so much. we will take a break. still to come here at the meeting, a conversation with barney frank, setting aside tens of billions of dollars for a single citigroup trader, who, by the way, may be worth it. that's not the issue. the issue is why are they enabled to create such huge institutions that they stick the risks with the taxpayers. why are politicians afraid to deal with too big to fail? and why does america have to deal with it to this day. that's after this. nothing beats walmart's unbeatable prices... but now they have new areas where i can find the brands i use every day-- and save even more. so that's what they mean by unbeatable. save money. live better. walmart.

welcome back. time to get plugged into politics. i want to bring contessa into the conversation for the latest buzz in d.c., as we await the arrival of barney frank. we are talking birthers. they are still at it. >> we could call it a counter birther movement. >> we are not going to deal with health care or bank regulations. >> i think this might have been an attempt to put a rest to all of this. a representative from hawaii introduces the resolution celebrating the 50th anniversary of the 50th state, and he says the 44th president was born in hawaii. there are some representatives who have the sort of not sure

about whether he was. >> i can appreciate the american legislative process, and the only way to get this done is to create a bill celebrating a state's resolution, and then sneak in the resolution. the whole culture of sneaking in rules is not good for america. >> and some of them sneaked away, because a lot did not vote. >> why do we allow the politicians to sneak around -- >> i don't think we allow them. >> that's not true. we have the standard of what happens. >> health care, big topic. in missouri, and a claire mccaskill town hall, and so many

showed up they had to move it. and senator mccaskill was not there. but there were mastiff argsive eruptions. people really care about this. a big meeting. >> yeah, meetings can be very eventful. >> the governor needs money. >> yeah, let's make money by taxing plastic surgery. >> people on wall street probably have a lot, so they could pay for it themselves. i like it. just like legalizing marijuana in california, they are going to drill for oil, and now tax

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in about five chairman barney frank's will would band compensation that could do something about risks.

the u.s. gut now owns 1/3 of city, so the obama's administration would have to pay them. and they set aside $75 billion to play employees this year, up from 60 billion at this point last year. and goldman sachs put aside so much money. if the pace continues, each employee would earn an average bonus of $773,000 this year. dylan? >> joining us, just before his meetings today, congressman and chairman of the house financial committee services, barney frank. it's a pleasure to have you here, mr. chairman. and when you talk about share holder votes on compensation. where do you find the most resistance to that obviously intelligent idea? >> from some of the people in the corporations. it's really exstraurd maytraore.

what you get is share holder democracy in america. somehow when it comes to simply voting yes or no on the pay package, it would not cost them a penny, because they are adding this to a vote. suddenly, share holders are incompetent. we have people running the company -- well, they say they are afraid of a competitive advantage. that's why we want to have the rules. if they do it one copy at a time, they can say disadvantage. and england are doing exactly the same thing. and the share holders get to vote once a year.

>> you know, all in the past year, i think what capitalism is, and whether or not what we are doing is that or not. we have heard conversations where they are talking about the innovation of the country. and what gets left out is the importance of having rules for capitalism so that people that provide the money, those who are competing to pick ideas to invest are actually being watched so that they are not just taking must not krae out of the -- taking money out of the system. >> they argue that theodore roosevelt and wilson, they created rules of mutual funds. of course we want innovation. in the first place, you have investors now who are afraid to get in the market, because they are -- >> they should be. >> we are going to give them protection. if we do our job right, by the

end of the year, people will be able to invest. if you want to do what i think is the right thing as a corporate executive, you might be subject to competitive rules from others. and a fair set of rules gives everything a chance to concentrate on what you should be. >> i thought you were supposed to make money for achieving and do something well, and not just your ability to manipulate a system and snuff it out. >> yeah, the end is productive activity. the financial system is important. it's what we call the enter immediate area. that job is to gather up money and bundle it and now they have to be compensated for that. they should not do it for nothing. but to a certain extent, the means became the end. the justification for doing this was some people could make money

by not accumulating money that could not be put to productive use. >> and i am doing what i am doing to try and elevate the conversation as how we get rules that get out of the business of stealing and back in the business of producing. you said earlier this week, i think at the national press club, and correct me if it was not there, and you said the -- if the risks payoff, you make money, and if the risks doesn't, you suffer no penalties. i will do you run one better, sir, and it's like buying every lottery ticket that they sell, and keeping the winning ones for yourselves and then selling the other ones off to the taxpayer

which brings me to too big to fail. the only way we can get in the trouble is by institutions that are too big to fail. that's seems to be a difficult task when you can regulate institutional -- >> well, the problem is you don't know in advance who is going to be too big to fail. the problem is not size, it's leverage. >> no, the problem is how bigger. >> well, we are going to say how you engage in more activity, you will have to have more capital. and it's not going to be proportionate. we are also going to do one other thing. if a bank fails, we know how to put that bank to sleep in a

reasonable way without causing trouble. and in one case, you know, there were no payments and the system almost froze up, and in another case, too many people got paid. put it to sleep in a peaceful way, and with severe penalties. if you are in one of the institutions you have to be unbound, the ceo and board of directors will go -- >> well, why is it not a federal crime for me to run a business that creates so much risk that i need taxpayer money -- if i own a car wash and run it into the grounder never going to bail me out. if i create a bank and pay myself owniobonuses, and createe mortgages, and it's not about

the past, but how do we improve the system so we reduce the practice. >> first fr all, we are going for the bonuses. they have a system that we talked about where you get an incentive to take risks. we will change that. and this will be done with international coordination, so they cannot use the argument we will put them at a disadvantage. and there will be severe limits. in st instead of them being done one by one, they will go to clearing houses. it's a complete set of rules that we believe will reduce the amount of risk they can take. we want risk, but to take the risk with the likelihood they will be penalize fire department they fail and benefited if they gain, and then they will take the appropriate amount of risk. >> yeah, once i am no longer responsible for the risk, it's a

money machine at the american e peoples' expense. >> yeah, and we will do that by leverage. >> you have to go, and i believe there is a lot of blame for a lot of people on this. i think there is a blame for the politicians and the bankers and the borrowers, and i know you want to make it better and i do. i would invite you to join in conversation -- >> between now and the next few months we have a job as important as roosevelt's in the '30s. >> yeah, we appreciate your efforts and the dialogue. thank you, chairman. we will take a break. we will come back in the second half hour of the meeting this morning, and try to save capitalism from its own excess to gays in the military. should don't ask don't tell be

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welcome back. if all of the conversations we were having already were not enough for you, here is another one. there is a big movement taking shape right now in the congress, to repeal don't ask, don't tell. while they do banks and health care and the rest of it, we will address don't ask don't tell this summer. a senate panel will take up the issue in the fall. and a man kicked off a national tour to put an end to the policy. and chuck todd is on the beat. what is going on, chuck? >> president obama when he was candidate obama promised he will repeal it. and something needs to happen from congress first, so it has a long-term effect. that's what we are seeing now. take a listen to what senators are saying about the issue. >> when i was in baghdad, my

paratroopers did not care what race you were, what color you were, and what god you believed in, or what your sexual orientation was. they cared whether or not you could fire an assault rival. >> we have lost 13,000 men and women since this started. a lot of the men and women are in critical areas. >> dylan, politics is part of this for jill brant in particular. she is the new appointed senator from new york. she had a lot of critics on the left from various liberal movements. and so a lot of folks are saying this is her trying to win over some rank and file democrats by talking about this issue, gays in the military. when she was in the house, she did not bring it up much. she stayed away from the

cultural issues like guns and gays, and red state issues. now that she has a democratic primary to worry about, she is suddenly interested in gays in the military. >> yeah, and why are we doing this, too, now? and jonathan kacape part, stick around. and we want to begin with you, general, on the why now? with the data since '93 until now, what is your assessment of this policy? >> well, you know, i think the bottom line, and i reiterate what secretary colin powell just said, the country is involved in the thinking, and we will change the policy, and the question is when. congress is hiding from the issue. it's interesting to me these are

two relatively unknown people in the house for the change. >> and change to what? >> well, i think, you know, that's what the intensity of the emotion is about. if somebody asked me about this issue, i would say it's an issue that i rush not to respond to. you have the right and the left hiding from potential political consequences. i think the voting of public, though, the polling numbers are unmi unmistakable. i think the armed forms will not have a problem implementing a change. we integrated the african-american forces in the middle of the korean war.

>> what does this say, jonathan, about our country? our social diversity, and our willingness to be honest about the social diversity? and the other is, what does it say about the military and how does it affect the way the military functions as a enterprise business, something with an intent? what is your perspective to this issue? >> all of us are less qualified relative to the general, and then some more qualified? >> congress and the military of a different generation than, say, congressman murphy, who is an iraq war veteran and in his 30s. you have those folks who are different and separate from the 70-something perfect of people that support ending the policy.

while it has been put in to the whole ga rights issue if you will. we are booting people from the military who could be on the frontlines on the war on terror who are not there because of the crazy rule. >> but you say crazy, but isn't there an honest -- whether we like it or not and whether it's appropriate or not, an honest discomfort that groups of men can be towards in my opinion. i have been around groups of men, athletic environment, and there is a tendency toward alienation towards the other, not just whether somebody is gay, but also little, short, tall, black, white, skinny, and so -- so isn't it the appropriate place, and i can see he wants to get in, and i want to hear from him, but is this the appropriate place to balance

out the benefits with the social test of that disruption? >> the policy has not worked. >> yeah, and also, being in the military is a job. you should not care as the congressman said, what color the person is, what the person's sexual orientation is. if it's good enough for great britain and israel, then it should be good enough for the united states. >> and the only other argument is, and i agree with what you are saying, unlike other jobs, this is a job where everybody is living together in a far away place. the intensity level is higher. >> but what about the professionali professionalism, there. >> go ahead. >> wouldn't you rather know the person next to you is the most qualified person or they are not gay? do you want to be in a fox hole where your concern is -- >> that's not it. >> yeah, it is. >> that's not my point.

i don't think it's appropriate for me to sit here and fan tau size what is appropriate in the fox hole. it's not that -- i agree with you in principle. >> but, there are people that oppose the policy that said i would want to make sure the guy next to me is more qualified. >> general, what is your perspective on this? >> there will be no more or less gay men in fox holes if we change the policy. there are people that are uncomfortable about this. we had over 1,000 senior retired officers sign a statement opposing any change. and gates says to move slowly and carefully because we are in the middle of the war. we are going to change the policy, and congress is hiding

from their responsibilities on this issue. >> there seems to be a trend there. general, thank you very much. we're going to take a break. ahead here on the "morning meeting," the doctor that may have given michael jackson a fatal overdose, potential criminal charges. we will not only talk about the drug, but the culture around the drug. we talked about whether we had his own in-home surgical theater. >> this could be a surgical theater, because here is a table, and we could do it here. >> we will get dr. snyderman -- >> yeah, we will get snyderman in here, and i will be the patient, and we can get one of those guys from jersey with a kidney. we will not do that today. but we will finish off the face-off with nbc analysts

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good day, everybody. i am contessa brewer. in less than ten minutes, sonia sotomayor may become closer to being a supreme court justice. all 12 democratic democrats say they will vote for her. u.s. cities are getting left

out of the big give away. they are giving out money to keep officers on the beat during the town turn. and so who is not getting money? new york, houston, seattle and pittsburgh, among others. new york city major, michael bloomberg, said he is disappointed to put it mildly. to punish police department because they have driven down crime. >> keep going. ignore me. >> i can't. you are impossible to ignore. the justice department decided 1,000 other places needed the money, like rochester, new york, and kalamazoo, michigan. i have never been there, so i cannot be the judge. do we really need a study, dylan, to tell us how dangerous it is while texting?

>> there is a lot of testing going on on that one. >> it's common sense,no, no. >> put down your blackberry. virginia tech researchers used cameras to observe truckers -- you would think these are the professional drivers, right? they snow the safest ways of the road. observed them for more than 6 million miles and found when truckers were texting, their collision risk was 23 times greater than when not texting. dialing a cell phone increased the risk of collision about six times. 23 times if you're actually typing in a little note as opposed to just dialing someone. >> you know another place i saw this coming up recently was board room of america's corporation texting and blackberrying while in the board meeting. people wonder why the horrible corporate practices come in because everybody is at the meeting like this. it's approved, approved. i wonder if that is our congress at the committee. i passed that law. dinner at 7:00.

>> can you imagine, here i am ajoyed at the people who pick up their blackberries at dinner. >> the blackberry is going to end up evil before we're done. just a tool. use it properly. it's all right. still to come on the "morning meeting," the king of pop's personal doctor and a powerful sedative the night before he died. we're connecting the dots in the michael jackson death. we're back on don't ask, don't tell. and, most importantly, who, between toure and myself, has a preference for white people and a preference for black people? we took the test. the results don't lie. the man behind the test joins us to tell toure and i what we can do about our racial preferences. ♪

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more don't ask, don't tell. the race conversation in the next hour also. but let's take a second here and do a little break room action. >> octomom. >> of course. what is going on? >> a judge appointed a guard yeah oversee the money her family will receive for participating in that reality show. her reaction, she expressed her frustration with the rule and how the judge ruled without any evidence and complete strangers and marched into court. >> means i'm out of the loop? octomom is doing a reality show some. >> yeah. yesterday's news. she is doing a reality show with her 14 kids and all she is earning is $225,000. >> less than a hundred thousand a year? >> yes who cares. let's move on. there is a tribute now from a prison. remember the yub youtube videos

of the prisoners dancing before they died? they've outdone themselves again. let's put it up. totally redoing jackson's hit. now, this is "dangerous." >> what prison is this? >> this is in a prison in will philippines. >> i got to stop talking. let's just listen to it. watch. adore. ♪ >> can we talk now? okay. all right. ism. prisons are talented. >> yeah. . costumes are impressive. do you think an american prison could put on a production like that? i want to see if we can get prison theater for christmas. i was in catholic school and at christmas they would take us to see the local prisoners. >> i went to a nursing home. you went to a prison?

okay. >> and sing to the prisoners. they would never put on a show like that for us. that would have been fun if they did. i think we should encourage prison performance and get prison theater to -- >> out there, the open invitation. >> i'm in. let's talk. >> maybe madonna. "vogue." back to michael jackson. also then come back by the way, on don't ask, don't tell. gays in the military. i think mcaffrey said it best things make people uncomfortable but gay people have been in the military in world war ii and world war i and it's a crazy town let's get out of crazy town and come to normal town and everything will be all right. we'll take a break and back after this. good tuesday morning to you.

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all right. welcome back. in this hour, toure and i will determine whether, in fact, he loves black people as much as he claims to. before we do that, let's reset our agenda at this hour. michael jackson's doctor under the microscope. did he give the king of pop fatal overdose of drugs and could he face manslaughter charges as a result? should he? a senate committee right now going to begin the debate on approving judge sonia sotomayor for the supreme court. that, obviously, looking quite good for her. only one republican on the

committee says he will vote yes. is this a no moment for the gop and at what point will they realize they are in desperately in search of a party to protect the american taxpayer. no such luck as yet. don't ask, don't tell. last hour we talked why the big push to ban on gays in military is now and the political aspects and the rest of it and now asking the alternatives are don't ask, don't tell. do we have automatic racial biases? msnbc analyst toure and myself put the theory to the test. we took the so-called implicit association test, a literal face-off on race. we'll show you the results of that test a little later on this hour. it is 10:00 a.m. in the east. 7:00 a.m. on the west coast. pull up a chair and join the meeting and nice to see you. let's get rolling. all right. we begin in bar sar land of

michael jackson. his death continues to garner attention and appropriately so as again, it involves every possible pocket you could conjure. it's a tragedy in real life. nbc jeff rossen on the beat in burbank has the latest. >> dylan, it is pretty amazing, isn't it? you have all of these different angles going on at once, drugs and the kids, amazing. law enforcement sources now telling nbc news -- this is the new information here -- that dr. conrad murray, the man who is, according to court papers, at the center of this criminal investigation, a manslaughter investigation, according to police, that he had actually administered propoe foal, a dangerously strong anesthetic to michael jackson on the morning he died. according to the ap michael jackson was depending on this drug, propofol and he was using it as an alarm clock.

basically, the doctor, according to the ap sources, would hook him up at night with the iv drip of propofol and put jackson to sleep and knock him out. when fs time to get up, he stopped the drip and michael jackson would wake up. police are clearly building their case here. we should tell you that dr. murray's lawyer maintains that the doctor did nothing wrong. released this pretty colorful statement and i'll read it for you. i hear a horse swat ago fly and everyone needs to take a breath and wait for the long delayed toxicology results. i have no doubt they want to make a case. for goodness sakes, it's michael jackson but things tend to shake out when all of the facts are made known. that may happen this week when toxicology report is released. we'll find out if it was propofol that killed jackson or maybe propofol and another drug or maybe neither of them. that is coming out this week, we're told. >> we appreciate, jeff, your

reporting. in the meantime a lot of opportunity for conversation whether it's the culture of drug availability in general in this country, let alone in the celebrity circles and how do you deal with that to the realities of this particular man's life. you have a bunch of stuff going on, dr. nancy? >> obesity, health care, michael jackson. >> you have michael jackson, people in america are too fat, and -- >> which was not his problem. >> no, it wasn't his problem. >> it keeps coming. >> that's right. >> one thing we can say michael jackson was not obese. >> nope. >> we talk about the drugs. talk to us about the immediate cycle prior. in other words he had gone from being -- he was suddenly found himself very actively physically and suddenly rehearsing for an incredibly intense show. his condition at that time was in question. >> such a good point. the physical intensity required during the last weeks of his life was unlike anything he had

been experiencing for the year leading up to his life. let's rewind a little bit. when i interviewed lou ferrigno, he was jackson's trainer back when the show was first announced in march. i said, okay, talk me through his exercise routine. what was it like? i'm thinking a few miles on the treadmill, bike, things like that. he said, well, he would try to walk for 15 minutes at a time on the treadmill. walk? >> that was the opener? >> that was the opener. so use that as one reference point. >> and he is 50. >> right. he said we do a lot of core exercises and walking on the treadmill. i'm breaking a sweat talking about that, not so much. >> first thing in l.a. for razzle dazzle. >> hours and hours of day in may. sweating so much. he told his nurse, it's actually embarrassing. they have to mop up the floor after each song. so really the -- what he put his body through in that short period of time just physically minus any sort of substance

abuse is phenomenal. >> why didn't any of the doctors he was working with recognize that's probably not good for your body? >> because you know what? the doctors he was working with one didn't know the other. the nurse didn't know this doctor. this is a man who led a very secretive life and also addict behavior as well. anyone will tell you that nobody knows the whole story. >> classic doctor shopping where i'm basically a patient, i want some service from a physician, i go to dr. nancy and say, dr. nancy, i'm looking for this prescription, this endorsement, this whatever. you won't do it so i go to dr. capehart and if he won't do it, i go to dr. finney. >> i talked to dr. nancy, you aren't telling that one. >> this is america phenomenon where patients decide they want something before they even get to the doctor and then go ask for it. if the doctor doesn't give it, go to a doctor that will. this is the most extreme expression. >> it is. there is so much money and so much access and doctors who are

enablers and tied to the paycheck so there is this envelope around of this person and the other thing that courtney touched on is if this, in fact, is a rigorous workout schedule and he had been sweating a lot, things like sodium, potassium, chloride, basic chemicals in our body regulate how your heart beat. if they drop, the electric system in your heart can go haywire. he may not even have had a regularly beating heart. then you put in uppers and you put in sedatives and you put in hypnotics and it wouldn't take much to flip the sweet. >> nutritional supplements and vitamins. >> if it were vitamins there. >> when people say what medicines are you tag they often leave out vitamins because they think they're natural. he had a nutritionist who told me i was giving him these huge vitamin supplements and protein drinks and one big piece of the puzzle. >> your point is taken that is classic addict behavior and they make sure no one person has the

whole story. one doctor knows one thing and one friend knows one thing and no one can put the puzzle together and say there is something wrong here. >> you don't come up with a hundred thousand dollar pharmacy bill in one month without working it. >> as much as the skip gates agent crowley conversation is a good opportunity to talk about the opportunity between black men and police in america which is a crappy relationship extra tiskally and in reality, we have an opportunity to talk about a phenomenon in america forget michael jackson which is doctor shopping and the culture of medication where the patient is deciding before they consult a physician what medicine they believe they would like to have and then they go to the doctor and looking for that medicine. that's the real issue. >> that's why they're so -- so much pushing back of pharmacy advertising. >> there is always the worried well with money to say i want you, doc and i want you, doc.

then people google what they think they have and treat themselves and when things get screwed up then ask the doctor and let's be real. most people don't have that access. we're talking about the affluent cuckoo people at the top. >> just be like me. i don't go to the doctor. >> i'll deal with you later. >> we've heard about this -- michael jackson or elizabeth taylor or anyone else. is it a culture of shopping or are we looking at the possibility of some underground organized ring of people -- >> i think you're looking at in a celebrity context. they know who to call. you know, there are certain physicians who have that reputation. insofar as you can call that a sort of a ring, yes. i do think that you see it happen. you say that's a good idea. and i'm no celebrity but i'm going to start and then you talk to people. in a sense i think there is a confluence of physicians -- >> we're going to wrap this and come back with another don't

ask, don't tell conversation. before we do that, i was going to propose this is like a surgical theater. >> it is. if you walk down here -- >> with the light. we got a guy in jersey we'll call him up. >> right. >> remove my kidney. >> we're going to talk in my new show, talk about if this doctor, conrad murray, talk about what should happen -- >> that is a test between toure and i and swap kidneys and see who refuses to do it. >> there you go! >> oh! >> reject your kidney! >> no! i don't want you anywhere in here at all! >> i want your kidney, boy. >> you call me boy? >> yes! >> oh, no! >> i want it! it's on!

>> but we have to do the news! sorry. not really. so what is going on? >> aren't you glad for me right now? a perfect opportunity to get away from that conversation! senators on the judiciary committee are voting on sonia sotomayor and right now, you're seeing live pictures there coming in. let's get right to nbc's kelly o'donnell who is following the action for us on the hill. what do you expect to see here, kelly? >> well, this is certainly a big day for sonia sotomayor because this is a critical step where this committee will then recommend to the full senate to vote on her confirmation. that's with the presumption she will be passed through. it's one that is pretty easy to make because of the 19 members on this panel, 12 are democrats. so a lot of the attention has been on republicans and what would they do and how would their vote perhaps signal to other republicans who are not members of the committee, perhaps how they should vote. what we know is of the members of the panel who are republican,

only lindsey graham who is from south carolina, has come up publicly so say he will support her. he was also one of the people who was certainly tough on her during the question and answer period of the hearing. and he really summed it up by saying that she is intellectually qualified, her life experience and all of those things make her a suitable judge for this very elevated position. but he also just won re-election and has several years now before he faces the polls again but that gives him a little bit of extra room to say that he'll vote yes. all of the others, we believe, will vote no. >> kelly, tlau very much thank you very much. a bipartisan group of senators is reportedly closing in on a raerlt compromise. they are meeting behind closed doors this hour to discuss the issue and the obama administration is keeping up the pressure. health and human services secretary kathleen is a bill yeah wrote an op-ed on yahoo! today.

folks, it's official. the house of representatives taking a strong stand on the president's birth. representatives voted unanimously last night on a resolution saying the president was born in hawaii in 1961. hawaii congressman kneel abercrombie proposed the resolution. it celebrates hawaii's 50th anniversary as a state but includes that line about the 44th president being born that. i hope that puts that controversy to rest. seven people under arrest in raleigh, north carolina accused of terrorism acts abroad. boied arrested along with two sons and and fourn others north carolina men. they reportedly plotted violent jihad abroad. they say boied trained in terror camps and pakistan and afghanistan for three years before returning to the u.s. boyd and the other defendants could face life in prison if

convicted. take a close look now at the top 6 of your screen. a home explodes over the weekend in northern kentucky. officials just released video from a house across the street. they think a gas link was to blame. those are the headlines right now. back to you, dylan. >> next up this morning, we're going to see racism and don't ask, don't tell. so i understand -- and we're going to do a kidney transplant on the desk with dr. nancy snyderman. we won't do that. but we are going to do don't ask, don't tell and racism in america and toure and i will have our conversation coming up. jonathan and karen will contribute, to say the least. we are back right after this.

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breaking news. courtney hazlett is here. it looks like we have what looks like unmarked police cars going to dr. conrad murray's office in las vegas. this is the doctor that was with michael jackson when he died. what do you know? >> this would be the doctor whose office had the search warrant served out last week. we know there are unmarked cars so until there is confirmation that they are police cars and until this confirmation is the people who could be detectives, all we can do is say, listen, it could be one more carrying out of a search warrant at the las vegas office of dr. murray. not confirmed yet. >> now, last week when they went to the houston office and they were taking out computer hard drives and a lot of records from there, was there also a simultaneous investigation in las vegas that you know of? >> well, this is what has been going on all along is that they

did the test they need to do on michael jackson on the cause of death. some of those are still outstanding. meanwhile, they're still investigating dr. conrad murray. they are really being as thorough as absolutely possible here. when we get to the point that there is toxicology report, that there is a clear cause of death, they don't want there to be any question whatsoever that a stone was left unturned so this is more of that. >> we're getting this information in the nbc affiliate there in las vegas, kvbc is send ago crew. again, it looks like there are unmarked squad cars and a group of men that the reporters are presuming are detectives but, again, we don't have confirmation. >> we have heard from some law enforcement sources that this was something that was expected, that this is one more office that would get another search. so it would not come as a surprise from that standpoint, but until it's confirmed. >> i know you're working your sources. so we will stay on top of it from this end. dylan? >> all right. thank you. karen finney distracting me. you're blackberrying at the

meeting! >> of course, i am! but it's don't ask, don't tell related. >> it's relevant because it's relevant. >> before we get into it with these two we are learning there will indeed be a house hearing on don't ask, don't tell when congress gets back from its august recess. a man who lives on the beat, nbc correspondent chuck todd joins us live. >> well, as you know the president himself said during the campaign he wanted to see this repealed. robert gibbs very early, right before the president took office, responded to it. there was a great video response of him responding about a question about don't ask, don't tell and he said i'm going to give awe nonpolitical answer and say this thing is going to get repealed so now they want to do it through congress and why you see it making its way through congress. as you pointed out, dylan, there is not a lot of political guts, frankly, to deal with this issue in congress right now. they've been very much afraid to touch any of what is the

so-called cultural issues, whether guns, gays, abortion, a lot of those things that are considered those red state issues that democrats have lost on previously and sort of figured out a way to hedge or not deal with in order to win elections in '06 and '08. even an issue like this where it seems like everybody is on on the same side. nobody thinks this policy works but nobody is exactly sure how to change it. the military wants to be very cautious about changing it and you're seeing very incremental approach in congress and, frankly, the senate movement on this by kristen gill will gillibrand out of new york is pushing this out of her own political reasons because she wants to show the left in a democratic primary in new york that she is not as centrist as she has been made out to believe. >> i think that is unfair. when you look at jill la braped

gillibra gillibrand's record -- it is a time to have this conversation. on the one hand we were discussing before there are actual national security reasons where underutilizing vital resource in our country. think about the sort of mind games to say the way to serve your country to uphold the constitution of the united states of america is to lie about who you are. that is fundamentally not consistent with our values as americans. there's both a practical reason to do it and a moral reason to do it. >> i have to say i will have to respectfully disagree with my friend karen and agree 100% with chuck todd in terms of the political impetus behind what kristen gillibrand is doing. that's not to say what she is doing isn't the right thing to do. >> of course. >> let's talk about process, though. the president made it very clear coming into office that he wanted -- he wants this policy ended. he has had at least, i know from sources, two meetings with

secretary gates and head of the joint chief of staff mullen saying i want this policy ended. the process of getting the military on board, to get the military to be in line with the 70 something percent of the nation that wants this policy changed is very important. but also what patrick murphy on the house side and what kristen gillibrand on the senate side are doing is also important, but i do what patrick murphy is important by overturning don't ask, don't tell by a law from congress. not by executive order. >>ly bechings. >> by legislation of the people? >> i want to bring nathaniel franklin into the conversation, author of "unfriendly fire how." in a nutshell what is your thesis? >> as we've been discussing over 13,000 service members have been discharged under this policy and that includes about a thousand mission critical specialists and

60 arabic linguists. president obama does have the power to issue an executive order. there has been a lot of confusion about this proposal lately. this would not be undermining standing law. he has that pow of stop-loss through congress, through a law that congress granted him and that would be executing the law. he could stop the discharges immediately and then he could go to congress a few months down the road with the starkest evidence available to him. which is that, look. open the gay people are serving right now. now let's move to get this off the books. it would be a 1-2 punch. >> here is the problem with stop-loss. the political meaning to stop the booting out of gay service members until which time they can overturn don't ask, don't tell, the problem with doing a stop-loss is, i think, the political hit the president would take in doing that would be -- >> half measure.

>> exactly. if you're going to take the hit, e him that it altogether. that requires congress. >> people can actually understand from the outside but if we're going to make the change, let's make it a real change that will uphold any other measures that could be taken. >> the problem is could congress end up with a lot of half measures a lot of the time because of the political process? the banks, et cetera. anyway. general mcaffrey, what is the most intelligent way forward, setting aside the politics and rest of it. if you were brought in to be the counsel of rule makers whoever they may be, congress, white house, i don't care, what is the step-by-step process or give me three easy steps to the next phase of our existence on this issue. >> well, look. dylan, it seems to me that even this distinguished panel you have brought together here. the question is private homosexual consensual behavior legal or not?

the supreme court seemed to have said a decade ago that states couldn't affect laws affecting homosexual behavior and therefore, at some point the armed forces will change when congress changes the law. they have to step up to it and stop talking about how many arab linguists we discharged. it's the right thing to do, it seems to me to no longer make illegal privates homosexual behavior. that is the issue. >> a pleasure to have the conversation with all of you. still to come, a follow-up. some response from goldman sachs on our conversation about high frequency trading yesterday and also follow up on congress budget resolution and the face-off head-to-head with toure to find out whether, indeed, we have moderate preferences for those like is or those not like

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preference or like black people, feel more affinity but i don't know if you knew -- >> i do, too. >> that you like white people. >> i do! i actually do like white people. >> it does play out in the real world. this is not my first time meeting karen. >> now you're remembering. >> my first time meeting jonathan but as soon as i see him in the room, hour how are you? i a feel comfort. >> why is that? >> i know a shared set of experiences and culture experiences of things we bring to the table. when i meet you for the first time i don't know how we're going to click. i have an expectation with jonathan, with karen, with tamron and carlos. >> let me run this tape because i want to get into this conversation. >> that's the beginning of the association. >> true. >> that i expect to be able to meet you and feel a connection with you. >> much when eliot spitzer and i run into each other and when any of the other white people around this building. i'm like, white guy, brian williams, what is going on? how are you? in the hallway.

>> we don't talk about that because we link racial and racism but they are two different things. >> exactly. take a listen to this and we'll come back on this conversation. take a listen. >> all right. dylan, the gloves are off. >> there you go. >> can we please? >> let's do it. >> all right. ♪ >> putting black people in the bad category! white people in the good category! >> not true. >> i'm learning so much about you right now. >> it's not true. it's not true. oh, exhausted. ♪ ♪ i'm going to knock you out i'm going to knock you out ♪ >> finished before you for the first time. >> i'm already on to the next level. >> oh! ♪ ♪ >> look at that!

look at that! your data suggests a moderate automatic preference for african-american. >> leave me alone! >> the test proves i like black people! >> your data suggests a moderate automatic preference for -- >> see? i knew it! i knew it! >> you had a preference for black people. >> i know, but i'm black. >> i'm white! >> you ever date a black girl? >> no. never have. >> see! >> all right. so again, you have a moderate preference. >> but as we discussed, there is a connection here among black people and there are things we share. there is not an equal comparison to white. white people do not share the same cultural thing. you share class, region, interests. >> minorities are more likely to identify for -- there is more of a question. are minorities more likely to identify for the defining minority characteristic? black, gay, latino, whatever.

and our majority less likely to do that because they're like i don't care, i'm from new york, i'm from wherever. >> hold on. >> that link -- >> i is the hairy hungarian! i'm irish! >> professor greenwall joins us from seattle, author of the test that toure and i just took. we found as you saw there an automatic preference on different sides and a moderate automatic preference for black people and moderate for toure. a moderate automatic preference for white people in my case. where do you draw the distinction between racial comfort because it's familiar and i'm more at ease with it and and where does the line between racial comfort if you want to call it that and racism, i don't want black people on my tv show and i don't want black people around here. the behavior where i'm exercising judgment based on racial characteristics as opposed to expressing internal

discomfort based on racial characteristics. >> i want to congratulate both of you for being willing to take this test and talk about your results. some people are afraid of it because the test is improperly being advertised as a test of racism. it doesn't measure racism. prejudice or racism is about intended discrimination. what this test measures is something that can cause unintended discrimination. and so you both got results that might be expected and i wonder, you know, how happy are you with those results? >> i'm very happy. i honestly feel like -- i think it's true. >> moderate preference. >> absolutely. i have a moderate preference to white people. okay? >> wait a minute! let's just talk. >> wait. the thing -- a couple of questions i would have about the test. sorry, yes, i'm cutting in! first of all, also you guys share an experience as men.

you know, we may have some familiarity because of the color of our skin, but, also, you know, i'm going to relate to tamron because she is a woman and she will share experiences y'all will never know anything about. >> absolutely. >> as our culture becomes more multiculture, my mother is white and my father is black so i like you both. >> have you a moderate preference? >> yes. or very fuse. confused. a multicultural society how that will actually break down a bit. >> i think it will break down. >> hold on, dylan. what were you going to say before you cut her off? >> i was going to say, go on, dylan. >> thank you. professor is there a test for gender preference as well? >> there is -- there is actually most people prefer women on this test. >> i do. >> especially women. but, also, many men. but the interesting test with women is one that associates -- tests the association of women with leadership or women with

strength or women with science and math and those show stereotypes. >> let's go to the next level with this. let's accept there are preferences that communities have preferences for themselves, whatever those communities may be. some are strong, some are weak. that's a fact. let's presume that we all now have to live together, whether gays in military and cops and black men, men and women, whatever it is, we know that there are these tensions. the question is what can we do systemically to diminish the degree they harm is and harm our ability to be xet wif a nation at the time when our competitive together on our way out of the debacle that your friends on wall street and monsters lay upon us as a nation. the only way out is for us to get it together and find a way to get it would-to-work. how do you deal with the obvious there are preferences for inside communities for members of the same communities and away from those who are not a bheb of that community?

>> well, some preferences are fine. irish preferring irish to italians, harvard people liking other harvard people. so you might ask is there anything wrong with white people preferring white people and black people preferring black people. the answer to that is well, in some sense, nothing wrong with that but if it affects your decisions on the job such as who you're going to hire, who you're going to arrest, then there is something wrong with it because you actually get to the point of violating civil rights law and being likely to make unintentionally to make decisions that express that what we call hidden bias, the thing that they're not aware of. >> i don't mind social preferences. you choose white women because you're white. you like irish people because you're irish. nothing wrong with that. but we live in a white supremacist world and white supremacist nation. white people are in control of

lk everything. even though they have with a black president it's still a white supremacist nation. no, but that's real. that's real. so white people are in control of all the major job decisions so those are the places that we need to be -- >> that is the conflict. >> you were going to ask me a question? >> i wonder if either of you were surprised to your responses to any of the questions you were asked? >> they're not questions. it's association. >> you weren't surprised by your reaction some. >> i was not. >> it goes very fast. they are showing you pictures of white and black people and words, joy, anger. >> good, bad, good, bad. >> not time to think. >> you did a nice job balancing out with this anel panel. if you have a preference for white folks, you can't tell it by this panel. >> if it wasn't for your test, professor, they would never know! they would never know. professor greenwall, thank you for provoking the conversation and allowing us to participate in the test. if folks want to learn more about the test, quickly, where can they do that?

>> it's at implicit.harvard.edu. i think, you know, suggest to your friends go take the test. if you talk about it more, you might ask, well, suppose you were playing sergeant crowley and professor gates and you got the results you got, would that make a difference? would sergeant crowley be interested to learn that he has a moderate automatic white preference? >> yeah, i don't know. that would be interesting question. if we get him on here, we'll ask him. it's implicit.harvard.edu, right? >> that is right. >> there is an update in the gates case. >> the date is set. professor gates and cambridge police officer james crowley are joining president obama for a frank talk at the white house on thursday. the white house press secretary says it's taking place at 6:00

p.m. on the lawn of the white house. instead of having an agenda for this conversation, it's just going to be a friendly discussion. it's going to be about having a beer and he says a deescalation. not a formal discussion, no formal agenda. they also know what kind of beer they are having. a bud and a crowley. >> any word on whether the three will take the implicit association test when they get together? >> i'm assuming at a picnic table you don't typically bring your laptop out but that might be an interesting trigger for the conversation really. >> carry on, please. we heard that 911 call that led to the arrest. should i play it? do we have it? no.

>> okay. again, somewhat shedding new light on the situation. we're going to stay on top of the investigative details as they come out. breaking news coming in. families of the victims killed in virginia tech shootings now want the state to reopen the investigation of the mass shooting that happens there remember the gunman seung-hui cho opened fire in 2007 and killed dozens of people there on the campus of virginia tech. now the families saying they want to have an investigation reopened into the shooting. when we get more information about that, we'll pass it along. a preliminary hearing for the man accused of gunning down kansas abortion dr. tiller. police say tiller shot and. their witness list has 220 names. live pictures as you can see there watching the hearing happen. we'll follow the progress of that throughout the morning.

>> quickly? >> just a little bit of housekeeping. i misreported yesterday. i thought lucille waylan told crowley at the scene she saw black men going into the home. she said, no, she did not say that even though it is in his police report he was told it was black men and we're moving to cumbayah. >> toure a police report is typically. >> it is not totally accurate. >> a police report is written after an investigation typically. so it would have been written following the police officers being out there. perhaps it was included that she had told him that but, again, as the 911 call indicates, she did not say that on the call. >> the interaction if it gets us to deal with the statistics on black men and police in this country, i honestly don't care what is in that police report. not that is doesn't matter -- >> so often we look at the police report as gospel and that's so dangerous. we cannot do that. that's a person who makes mistakes just as anybody else. >> you say that and we'll talk

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called front running. goldman sachs points out this is less than 1% of their business right now. imt i want to make it clear this is not goldman and goldman sachs. this is before the -- whether we're indulging idle speculation on wall street at the expense of the american economy, high frequency trading is an opportunity to look that. how did california budget crisis solve the problem? largely by just pushing it into the future? they didn't legalize marijuana. they were going to drill to oil but decided not to do that. they did come back on health care and education and all of this that is typical but they also largely just postponed it. >> also, he has a pen, the governor has a pen he can veto certain spending. >> most of the money in california if you're wondering how did they do? they put it off till next year. >> why do it today when you can

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we wrap up this meeting with the take-away. the house financial services committee is considering so-called say on pay bill. a measure designed to rein in corporate pay by allowing shareholders of corporations to actually vote on corporate compensation every year. lots of blame to go around for this financial crisis and a lot of problems still to deal with in our future from bad journalism to bad bankers to bad borrowers. we spoke with congressman barney frank about where we go from here earlier in the show. take a listen. >> between now and the next few months, we have a job that is important as franklin roosevelt in the '30s which is to save capitalism from its own access and mistakes. >> that is a huge part of our undertaking here. we encourage the chairman, of course, to continue with his. we are -- more importantly we encourage him to continue the dialogue with us. remember, capitalism has to work through innovation and available capital. when the people in charge of the money stop providing money and just start taking it, it's not

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