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cancel your appointment. >> and then one woman was on the show, and you did not ask her what she was wearing, and you did ask donald trump? >> yeah, i did. >> keep the time here. >> you could be dangerous at 6:01. >> crazy, drunk, and addicted. it is too early? >> it's "morning joe," but now it's time for the "morning meeting." >> good morning, to you. nice to see you. i am dylan ratigan. how are you? topping the agenda this fine morning, the president hitting the road today with back to back town hall meetings, and it appears health care reform for the moment on hold. did bernie madoff act alone? of course not. the ponzi scheme giving a 4 1/2

hour interview. will the confessions lead to more prosecutions? where is the love? more than 30% of america says the economy added stress, and restrain, or ruined their relationships. more than any other countries. swine flu, preparing for the worse. a new study today who is at risk as the cdc says they are preparing for a pandemic. let's hope they did not prepare for it like they did katrina. it's hard to believe, but the "morning meeting" now, one-month-old, and we will do a "morning meeting" one month in review, the good, the bad and the ugly, to come in the next couple hours. it's 9:00 a.m. pull up a chair and join the meeting.

health care on hold. no vote in the house until the fall now. the president holding back to back health care town halls today in two states. he turned blue last november. the debate not so much at this point about how much, but more about how. for my money, that's a bit more appropriate. nbc news white house correspondent, savannah guthrie on the beat. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, dylan. 1-month-old birthday, wow. >> we will do have review. >> reporter: on health care, things are not stalled, but delayed. the president had a deadline to have something pass out of the house and senate by august. that's not going to happen, but it's possible we will get votes out of the committee. we start with the house, as we said. no full vote on the house, that's not going to happen. but they want to get this bill

out of the last committee by its recess. they are supposed to recess on friday, but leadership aides say there is a possibility of staying in if they think they are close. that would set up a vote in the fall. and so we are thinking that it will come out of the committee this weekend, and as i said it could extend buy the weekend. all the action is in the senate finance committee. they are debating a couple key issues. one of them is the public option versus the co-op. the president said he wanted to have a government insurance plan offered alongside private plans, that was very important to him. seems like the bipartisan committee is not going there. that sets up the issue. if they dump the public option, they will have the liberals in the senate, the liberal democrats unhappy with that saying how is this reform? are we chipping away at the edges and not doing a huge wholesale reform? that could be a huge problem. and they have one extra week, and they are hoping to have

something passed out of the senate finance committee by then. >> dan borne who focused on largely on physical conservatism as part of the committee. and also with us, we have our other guests. what is the problem? >> most people in my district in the united states want to slow this down and look at the bill. this bill is over 1,000 pages in the house. we spent monday over five hours going line by line through this. we want a bill that moves more to the center where most people in the united states are, not far left or far right. somewhere in the middle. >> i will interrupt you, as i have been known to do, and say why is health care a far left or

right issue, and why is it not an efficient see or nonefficiency. the health care worked out to be 37, means we are putting dollars in and getting pennies out. that strikes me as lobbying money manipulating to create false barriers to protect the profits of the health insurance at the expense of the system, or other aspects of miss aligned interest. how do you turn it into not left or right, but efficient or inefficient? >> we are talking about a new government program that would spend over a trillion dollars. we are in the middle of the recession right now. the last thing we should be do something spending a ton more money --

>> but that's not my question, sir. i am looking for solutions, not problems. i know about the recession, and the $16 trillion of the fed. honestly, i feel like i know too much. how do you solve it? >> the solution is coming, i think, in the senate finance committee. there is a chance that there will be a bipartisan solution coming out. and that solution is not yet there in the house. i am hopeful. i want something passed. i would like to see the president sign something before the end of the year, but it has to be done right. >> understood. and our guests are itching to get in with this. and you say the solution may lie in senate finance, and my concern is max has taken large amounts of money from health insurance, and health insurance is in the business of preventing competition for patients in america so they can protect their profits. that's a problem. karen? >> well, the solutions, though, what they are talking about is the co-op, and it raised more

questions than it has answered. i talked to some friends working on the committee, and they said they don't understand it. how does it work? how is it funded? who sets what the minimum standards of care are? how does it compete with the private companies? in having a public option, you create competition in the marketplace -- >> i disagree with you. >> go ahead. >> i want to ask the congressman about the senate finance committee. it already said very important negotiating strength is off the stable because of how much the lobbyist have put into the effort to get it off the table. wouldn't you want cost containment, and want the best drug prices the consumer can get? >> i think you are right. the problem is in a state like oklahoma, where we have a lot of private insurers, we have a public option come in and it

drives everything else out. the only thing left is the public option. >> no, no, no, and -- representative let's stop there. what you just said is a big enough issue for the next two hours. let's just talk about what you just said. you said protecting the health insurance companies in your area from the threat of competition that will be presented by a public option is something that you have to consider. i understand that. here is my -- i am cutting to the chase, because i don't want to talk too much. ron wyden had a plan that said let's put the decision in the hands of the patients. why are politicians making decisions not in the interest of creating competitive crisis for the patients to get health care. i need to get rid of systems that extract money from the tax base and economy and do not provide the service for which the money is being taken? i understand insurance companies have delighted in being able to

charge large commissions to patients and doctors and drug companies, but the party, my friend is over. we cannot afford to continue to do that. i thought that's where you were coming from. >> you pointed out senator wi n wyden. we need a solution that is bipartisan. it may be the vehicle, at the end of the day. it may not be what comes out of the finance committee. it is not going to be the bill that has come out of the house. i can assure you of that that. >> the problem with the wyden bill. it's unclear if they will have the kind of bargaining power. based on what they are discussing right now -- >> can i give you an example? >> go for it. >> every employee -- >> you are talking about a nation like --

>> no, i am talking about ron wyden's suggestion, and i am not making this up. just another politician had the idea, and i think it's a good idea. what if companies, instead of providing health insurance to one person, i give that person a check for whatever i am paying health insurance for that year, and i create a website, and we actually have bizarre 21st century -- >> not everybody in the country can access it. >> i think there are people that can get access. so if you are saying because poor people cannot get access to the internet, we should protect the profits of health insurance companies. i would argue let's get poor people access to the internet as opposed to doing the opposite. >> let's get them access to the affordable health care -- >> i have practical solutions, karen. i am trying to finish.

drive the money so the individual has the 5 grand or $15,000. and please let me finish. and then she bids against health insurance companies to force them to compete to provide the best health care to her, including, either a co-op or public option on the website. why can you not do both of these things? >> the key is you have to have some kind of a public option or some kind of way to hold the insurance companies accountable. >> free markets will solve these problems. >> you think the health insurance things will do this out of the goodness of their heart? >> we have free markets operating. >> because patients are not the ones in control of their own health care, and they need to be. when you leave it in the hands of the corporation, or the

government, you lose the power. >> health care, right here, we need to make sure that we have a way to collect best practices. the president keeps talking about the cleveland clinic and the mayo clinic. that's in favor of the public option. that becomes the best practical laboratory, and that can have a tremendous impact. >> i am in favor of any person that is not taking lobbying money, to protect them. i have to wrap this up. we have three more health insurance conversations in these two hours, and we have two hours a day until we get cancelled. >> that is never going to happen. police searched dr. conrad

murray's house in las vegas. they also took several boxes from the doctor's office. they are not calling the doctor a suspect in jackson's death. women that get pregnant with the swine flu have a greater chance of dying. 13% of total deaths, even though pregnant women make up 1% of the general population. because of that, experts meeting right now are likely to recommend putting pregnant women near the top of the list to get a swine flu vaccine this fall. we will get a live report in the next hour of "the meeting." we will hear from the woman that called the cops on lewis gates. she dialed 911 when she thought there was a burglary. and her mom already talking, telling reporters that she needs to get her life back to normal.

>> she has been through a lot. >> did you hear that. she has had threats? colin powell weighing in on this. and he criticized professor gates dealt with the arresting officer. >> i am saying skip, perhaps in this instance, might have waited a while and talked to the officer and that might have been the end of it. i think he should have reflected whether or not this was the time to make that big of a deal. >> dylan? >> thank you very much, contessa. more ahead here on the "morning meeting." i have dolls. i have dolls. >> let's talk health care.

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welcome back. bernie madoff gives his first prison interview. his wife was threatened to sue his wife, and they told them to come down and they will talk about it. >> there is going to be a new complaint filed against bernie

madoff. and so here is the deal. they said that madoff was shedding new light. the disgraced money manager was hauled off to a prison two weeks ago. he is serving a 15 150-year-sentence for the scam. he spent 4 1/2 hours grilling madoff, and without getting into specific details, the interview wur said he is convinced madoff did not act alone. >> i think there were lots of people that did not blow the whistle properly. did they intentionally create the ponzi scheme? i am not sure of that. but there are people that saw

what was going on and did not blow the whistle. >> he says madoff admitted he thought the securities and exchange commission were on to him. >> the details he gave us and why it was not picked up earlier, and why these people, these victims suffered for the many years he had not been trading a dime for years. why do we have -- why do we pay taxes for an scc? >> he says when they went in to visit madoff, they could only bring in pencils and paperers, and a roll of quarters. the lawyers used quarters to get madoff his lunch.

>> and the author of bailout nation, the cofounder and editor of chief in the huffington post. you wanted to talk michael jackson -- no, i am teasing you. bernie madoff. >> here is two things, the scc is so busy pursuing other things that they did not have time to drefl into the greatest scam in america's financial system. that's the priorities. and it shows the fact that we are over regulated, and here we have a regulated agency that is demonstrating levels of confidence that are unprecedented. and then there are details about the jail, it's the same jail

where john riggers and his son are. and there is something good about that, where we are learning how we are not learning anything. and enron, 2003, a long time ago -- >> i cannot remember, really. >> they were dealing with billions of share holder wealth that they conned people out of. now we are pretenting that we learned from this, and we are not. >> the more that i look at what happened last september with the treasury secretary, and basically providing the capital to support the financial system without demanding terms, and without demanding fallback. it's that we never exacted terms for that commitment. that's where the theft occurred. what is the difference of

madoff's scheme, and the federal reserve, paulson, geithner solution to the banking crisis, where the bankers pay themselves for all the winning lottery tickets, to use barney frank's analogy, and then take all the losing tickets, and stick them with the treasury department, and you know the rest. what is the difference? >> you look at bernie madoff, and he had almost nothing to do with wall street. what he did was out right grand theft. he talked people into giving him money with the promise they will pay more money. and how he did pay them money on paper, was to get more suckers to give him money. and the whole discussion of him operating alone, 13,000 clients, whether it was monthly or quarterly statements. just physically to have a person do all that, stuffing things in

envelopes, and mailing it. >> now, the aig -- >> well, that's a different thing. a nation such as ours have been so corrupted by the money spread around congress. we have the best congressmany can buy, and it's been bought and paid for. it's not a matter of regulation or deregulation. it's a matter of special taxes and exemption. go down, and all of these things that have taken place have not been because we are under regulated or over regulated, it's because there are special laws passed. look at the commodities futures. aig and enron wanted it, so mr. and mrs. derivative, mr. graham and his wife, mrs. graham, they were on the board. and they attach the bill before congress leaves. and it is passed, and nobody

read it. >> and aig theft was consummated last year when we did not exact terms or get fall babacks, and s a bought government? >> remember, the scc, which is the nation's biggest law firm, essentially, was gutted over the past ten years. that's one of the reasons they missed this. >> i know you two have a lot to say. and i have a time monster. we are back with more of the "morning meeting" with karen and barry right after this. every da, transitions lenses are there every da, to help care for my sight. announcer: transitions lenses adjust to changing light to reduce glare and help protect your eyes from uv damage so you can see better today... and tomorrow. live your vision. transitions. healthy sight in every light. when you buy a pair of transitions lenses and register your certificate

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their beer at the white house. the president likes to serve, budweiser, which is owned by a foreigner but says it's more like logger. and it might be better in the president goes with a local brew. being a brewer myself, i get it, i understand that. next topic. new york city is having a problem with homeless families and paying so much to shelter them, they have come up with a new idea. one-way plane tickets for homeless families to leave the city. the bloomberg administration says it cost $31,000 a year, and as long as a relative is willing to take in the family, they say so far families have been sent to 24 states, and five continents, and none have returned. coming up, where is the

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take the money. >> yeah, and if we ask for terms so they don't steal all the money, they would not take the money. anyway, that's a crime for another day. it's time to reset the agenda for this half hour. we are bracing for a pandemic conversation. and the bird flu meeting to talk not only about who needs to be vaccinated. the first 24 hours are the difference between 1 in 1,000 being affected, 1 in 100 or 1 in 3. we have talked about weather health care is on hold. in the next hour, we will bring out a trusty set of dolls. masterpiece theatre to demonstrate what we believe the problem is with the system.

yes, i brought midoy dolls, kar. and then lots of stresses, and fears, and anxieties. there does appear to be some good news, on stabilization and housing numbers. the question is can we trust the data. we are not sure on that one. and then the business is getting under way on the equity side on wall street. remember having absorbed all the debt of the financial system, wall street, fortunately able to function once again. and that's a good thing in the short term, but don't forget the $16 trillion that hangs around our necks in order to make it happen. speaking of problems and all of this, you know how it is, it appears we have lost that loving feeling in this country, and they blame the economy for it. contessa, you have the survey results, i understand. >> i want you to sing it. >> no. no. >> nearly 3 in 10 americans,

dylan, say the recession has stressed or strained or flat out ruined their relationships or marriage. according to a global survey commissioned, relationships are being hit harder than lovers in other countries, compared to 29% of americans, only 24% of the french responded saying the economy has ruined their relationships, and 23% of canadians, and 12% of germans said the recession is hurting their heart as well as their wallets. perhaps that's because germans have their beer to turn to in times of trouble. >> says the brewer. thank you contessa. and joining arriona and myself, michel michelle, a relationship expert. where to begin. >> dylan, i can tell you like this. >> why is it in times of

euphoria, talk of increased romance, and increased sexual activity, etc., in times of anxiety and fear, which is where we are culturally right now, and this goes away, and if you want to try and offset for that, in other words, if i am worried my sex life is gone, and my relationship is in trouble, how do we have the conversation to try and solve the problems with the world, which is going to take a long time, and not let that ruin our human existences, and allow people to have love lives and sex lives and relationshi relationships. how do you manage that? >> it's hard work. we are stressed out when we are not in the middle of a recession. and we are talking about student loan debt, and merging money with somebody else, and married or not, and their ability to meet the demands -- >> i get the problem. i am looking for a solution. >> they have to start sitting

down and changing all the expectations of the relationship and how to spend money. create a new budget. this expensive, over spending, living for the future will-get-around-to-it is not working any more. >> the american government does that, which is just write it against the future of our children. >> that's right. do not do what the government is doing. >> go ahead, arriona. >> yeah, what you can do together that don't involve money, and sex is one of them -- >> but people are not in the mood when they are so stressed out. you cannot sleep at night, because -- >> if you can't sleep, have sex. >> sleep deprivation is one of the ways that leads to sex reduction. there is a direct correlation between the two. if you can have people understand the significance of sleep. and go back to michael jackson -- >> yes, please, do.

>> what happened to michael jackson, he could not go to sleep except with an i.v., and millions of people cannot go to bed without asleeping tablet. that's so unnatural if you think about it. >> yeah, we are living in that culture. the most interesting thing this whole flipping upside down of the money machine does, forces you to think that happiness comes not from the money, but from the quality of the relationships and the things in your life. >> talking about money is a difficult thing to do in a relationship. i think with marriage, that's one of the top reasons marriages break up, the conversation about money and how you spend yours and they spend theirs, and it's a hard conversation for a lot of people to have. >> it escalates the problems they already have. >> and then you are really not

having sex. >> yeah, they point the finger and blame people. >> yeah, i feel like people -- there is a misguided belief that having more money would make them happier, and money, instead of being what it is, and it's a road to freedom, if you have money you are free to do what you have to do, if you don't have money you have to do what you have to do to get money, and instead of moving the freedom, to pursue achievement and expression whatever your dreams may be, they thought the money was the end as opposed to the money -- and they are like, a whole game that gets played in new york, who is the richest? i got more than you? no, you got more than me. it's a big game of who is the richest. go ahead. >> we got into a culture of greed. we want everything faster and quicker. we take the loan we can't afford to get the house we think that we need. >> don't you do that because you believe having more money will

make you happier? >> yeah, i think you are right. the whole culture got into the living beyond our means, and the president was talking about this in the beginning, and i think we should re-examine that. people took loans they could not afford and homes they could not afford and cars they could not afford, and it didn't make them happy, and when they lose everything they really are not happy. >> it goes from freedom to prison -- my name is chef michael. and my dog bailey and i love to hang out in the kitchen... so she can watch me cook. you just love the aromas of beef tenderloin... and, ooh, rotisserie chicken. yes, you do.

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let me give you one number. the combined deficit is $166 billion. aig alone got $180 billion. that's the order of magnitude. >> and the gives you the volume systems of the country. >> one other observation, people have guaranteed health insurance, and that's one last thing to go bankrupt. >> i will challenge that and do it better than the western europeans, and i know we can do it better than we are doing. >> is that all to have sex? >> yeah, and i know we can do that. sorry -- forget it. forget it. i can't weigh in on this table. i will get to contessa in a second. we have a survey that asks folks, as you lose your economic power, what do you give up last? what is the last to go?

any guesses? two things you would not give up, quickly? >> not sex. >> well, sex is free. you would go nuts, right? >> most of the time. >> cell phone. >> no, their pet or car. the second quarter profits plunged 76% from a year ago, because oil prices are way down from their record highs last year. and let's get an update from the numbers on wall street. stocks opened for business 12 minutes ago. we are down on the dow jones,

down 67 points. people in the west are in sweltering heat. temperatures in portland yesterday, hit a record of 106 degrees. seattle, 97 degrees. the hottest in more than a decade. and meteorologist bill karins is here. and i was talking to somebody in washington, and they said the th thermometer hit a high degrees. >> yeah, probably the warmest temperatures you will experience in your entire lifetime. that's how rare this will be. as far as temperatures go, it will be in the low 70s. and the key numbers to remember for today, seattle has never broken 100 degrees. today you do have a chance of getting up to 100 degrees. and 76 is current. i think they are going to top off somewhere around 100 or 101.

portland, you have never been hotter than 107. yesterday you were 106. today you could tie the record at 107. this is not your ordinary heat wave of the summer, these are numbers they will experience only today and never again in their lifetime. >> hopefully not. a lot of people in those cities do not have air-conditioning like people do who are accustomed to temperatures that high. thank you. and a woman's body was dumped in the closet after somebody cut out her fetus. detectives are searching for the fetus. they say at 8 months the child is viable and could still be alive. police say they are looking at a lot of different scenarios. >> the possibilities are vast now. we have a lot of people to interview, and backtrack on where she has been, and who is aware of her pregnancy, and why

did they do this? there is a lot of questions that we have to ask. >> the woman had a restraining order against her boyfriend but he has not been named a suspect in her murder. and a major sex scandal. 47-year-old married father of two admits he had an affair, with a 22-year-old legislative intern. and he even took photos of her in various stages of undress. if that's not enough, the intern's boyfriend is charged with trying to extort $10,000 in exchange for the photos and a video of the affair. you know, boots are made for walkin. should icing it? "boots are made for walkin' -- or rollin

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all right. welcome back. quick "morning meeting" follow-up. first, senator schumer announcing the nasdaq, one of the big trading exchanges here in new york is planned to ban flash rating that allows a select group of traders to get a sneak peek. and there are others that believe this is a little more than legalized front running. and we talked about a bunch of things. that's maybe going away. also on the schumer front, along other fronts, they are announcing the first of a

federal legislation banning texting while driving. >> i do that. >> i suspect you do. barney frank we talked to him yesterday. his say on pay bill which gives shareholders the right to approve ceo compensation and why we don't have that, is beyond my comprehension but it appears enough to make it out of the house subcommittee. courtney is here. enough with all of this. >> no more texting and driving. >> if you're looking for a good book, i have pigs. it is expanded and updated with even more pigs. what do you got? >> what do i got? latest in the michael jackson case. i know you're dying more to know more about this. >> arianna is as well. >> extensive search of the home of dr. conrad murray and trying to put the pieces of the puzzle and figure out who is the aliases who was being used in prescribing drugs to michael jackson. as many as ailianses were used.

>> any interesting ones? >> nothing like dylan ratigan or anything like that. that would be breaking news. i love this story, too. . michael phelps may not be swimming competitively anymore until they fix this bathing suit issue. this guy walks up at the championships and wears a better suit than phelps and phelps losing, essentially. the question is -- >> phelps lost and they would argue because there other character had a better bathing suit? >> he did obliterate phelps' record swimming time. he raises equipment ban of some sort in the olympics -- or not the olympics but in competitive swimming. to me it makes sense because you can't cork bats in golf and limit to the grooves and things like that. >> what would it be? how would a bathing suit help me swim faster? >> it reduces drag and that sort of thing. i guarantee you, if i put on that bathing suit i still wouldn't be able to beat phelps.

it still raises a strange question. in the world of television, a new show premiered last night, "more to love." it's basically like the "bachelor" but for people overweight. i know obesity is on your radar. the question is does it exploit overweight people? they actually show the person who is contending to get the -- with their weight every time they are on screen. >> if i was standing here hosting this show, looking for love, and they are like dylan ratigan, x-hundred pounds? >> of course, courtney hazlett, 270 pounds. exactly. it's interesting the overweight genre is exploiting on reality television. i separate it from the weight loss genre. but there's another reality show coming down the pipe in the fall that's about overweight family in north carolina. let's look at them be overweight. it's a strange phenomenon. it's not like it's a nolvet.

we can walk out the door and see overweight people so why put them on the television for the sake of being overweight? >> we put them on television because we can attract an audience and they are cheap to put on the television because it's cheap content. a better business. >> absolutely. that's why we have reality television. >> exactly. what is to ask? >> just tap the fat population for more television? >> their way down the line. they are like who else do we have? >> but we're talking about obesity in america and how it's such an epidemic. i'll stay fat! it will get me on tv. is that what we wpt, really some. >> not really but that's what we have. even more pigs. >> even more pigs as the book says. >> thank you very much. >> it's my pleasure. >> still ahead in our second hour here of the "morning meeting," bracing for the swine flu and the government's preparations for a potential global pandemic. what are are the krit wall 48

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second hour getting under way. let's reset our agenda. bracing for the swine flu pandemic. cdc meeting to talk about who needs to get vaccinated, when, how and where and how homeland security will handle a pan academic. think of this as one of those problems where first response and early response is decisive to what happens. dr. nancy snyderman will also join that conversation. the recession hitting home especially in california which has more foreclosures than all of the home sales in america. the good news is there is some stabilization the past couple of months at a new low level in the housing market. we'll talk about that and whether that even will hold. breaking down the real problem with health care. a variety of dolls to help you identify why our health care system is so inefficient. it's not a left/right issue, it's we spend a lot and get a little issue. different problem. we've already hit the one-month mark here at the

"morning meeting." my producers, through their research program, have some feedback for us. me in particular. we'll talk about what is working and what's not one month in. it is 10:00 a.m. pull up a chair if you're still there and let's get back to work. well, again, if you thought that you had heard the last of the swine flu, if you harken back a few years to the bird flu, you understand there are these variables of super high strength influ ensa viruses out there. government officials bracing for what could be the worse come fall. schools go back into session and all of this sort of thing. top health experts right now are discussing who is at most at risk to the conversation i just offered up and how we address it. bob fizell with the latest. what is going on, robert? >> dylan, right now here at the cdc in atlanta, there's a group of experts that have come

together to advise the government on who should get vaccine, if and when there is a vaccine, against this new swine flu. first of all, there's trouble developing a vaccine as the virus doesn't grow very well in culture so almost certain there will be limited supplies. the big question becomes who gets it first, if there is. there has been presentations all morning and there has been no decision yet but almost certainly the first people who get it will be health care workers and emergency responders and a lot of talk about pregnant women because they are at high risk of getting this particularly because this virus seems to have hit mostly young people and then after that, there's going to be a lot of discussion about who should get it in sort of a rationing system. dylan? >> all right. thank you, bob. joining the conversation, dr. nancy snyderman and arianna huffington and karen finney are back and dr. anthony fouchey from the national institutes of health and infectious diseases. how well prepared are we?

>> i think we are pretty well prepared. this is a system that has been in place now for some time, that has been actively implemented with this particular pandemic, namely the h1n1 2009 novel virus, the swine flu as they call it. this has been going on from the beginning with preparedness of getting a vaccine in place. we are going to be starting the thing for the vaccine in the first to second week in august, asking some fundamental questions about safety and what is the best way to administer it, the right dose, the right number of doses so we're pushing on that hopefully, to have vaccine by the middle of october when the decision is made to administer it. >> understood. dr. snyderman, how do these type of things work? in other words a kid comes home. i think the nbc page system, any sort of community type situation whether it's retirement, schools, et cetera. when you start to see pockets of a virus like this, what is the

response? particularly when you deal with air travel and all of the variables that move things around. >> look, there are no pockets anymore. this is now a pandemic which means this virus has skipped quite efficiently to over a hundred countries around the world, so the horse is out of the barn. >> okay. >> there are two things. one to look at the efficiency of a virus. this is very efficient, versus whether it's a real killer and so far this isn't a real killer. what concerns people still when you put groups together you start to see these little upticks and school is starting in a few weeks. >> right. >> however, let's make sure we're talking the same language because i think our federal government has been so on target and ahead of the message on this. the idea of just taking an anti-viral because a kid down the street has the virus, stupid. >> why? >> because when we don't want to do is what we've done with antibiotics and start selecting from virus. get treated when you're sick. this suburban idea of swine flu

parties where you purposely in fact, your kids is stupid because, again, these viruses can still kill. >> do we need to explain why a swine flu party is stupid. are they doing is it? >> yes. parents do it with chicken pox. if i purposely infect my chill he or she will have lifelong immunity. >> dr., would you like to come to my house this weekend? we're having a swine flu party. >> i think you should listen to nancy. >> i think what we have to do -- >> hang on. >> i think this is where we have to be careful that we aren't alarmists, we have to be careful we don't bore too easily over this. because this fall, we are going to have dueling viruses. the normal seasonal vaccine and then the call for this h1n1 or swine flu vaccine and we have to listen to government recommendations. >> doctor, before school begins

what needs to be done? we know the viruses are going to exist and we know we are going to see the activity that dr. snyderman referenced. what do we need to do now and between labor day? >> we need to continue the aggressive preparedness between now and labor day. we are trying to get all of the information we possibly can so when the vac seb vaccine is available we will be able to administer it in the right way. what is going on right now in atlanta is very, very important, because we're going to get recommendations from the advisory committee on immunization practices and will make recommendations about the vaccination program and the decision will be made at the appropriate time, depending upon what goes on in the fall. things can change. this is a moving target and we need to be ready for all options. but the points that nancy made are very good points. we should not be panicking about this. we have recommendations. the cdc has been very, very up front and transparent about the things. listen to what goes on with

regard to the cdc's recommendations is the best advice we can give. >> i'm thinking that a lot of people are sitting at home knowing this is coming, right? >> it's not coming. it's here. >> it's here. be prepared. so what should people be doing now to keep themselves healthy? obviously, you're saying they sent go out and get the vaccination. >> the first thing, if you don't feel well, please stay home. the most important thing. hand washing, hand washing, hand washing. if you have to cough, you don't could have in your hand and shake someone's hand. you go like this and cough. we know there is an uptick in death in pregnant women. so if you are a pregnant woman or you're thinking about getting pregnant, talk to your doctor. we're waiting for cdc guidelines to see who should get the vaccine in addition to health care workers. first and foremost, stay home. then if you have symptoms, you take one of the anti-virals and i really think people should consider getting vaccinated this fall. >> nancy, how concerned are you

about the side effects of the vaccine? because we all underestimate them again and again and again, we've underestimated them and end up causing so remain so much harm was vaccines. >> i disagree. >> let's not debate. let's debate the side effects of this vaccine. >> we don't know the side effects of this vaccine. >> her point is not knowing a managed risk? >> i'm going to assume you mean the swine vaccine in '76. we vaccinated people and we -- there were concerns about geean's syndrome. let's not love all of vaccines together. >> no. i'm just asking you what other side effects. >> i'm not giving it to my child if you don't know. >> arianna, then you won't be vaccinating this fall. >> yes, i will not be vaccinate ago child of mine if you don't tell me the side effects.

>> how do we vaccinate if you don't know the side effects? she is uncomfortable not knowing and you're comfortable with knowing. explain to us why you're comfortable with not knowing. >> we will be together as we develop this vaccine, starting to get as much data as possible. if you want to look at safety of vaccines years after having one on the market, which is never possible with a virus that is changing in the community, you will not have every safety question answered this fall. now, let me tell you, no one can address this better than tony fouchy. >> dr. fouchy, why are you uncomfortable with the aspect of unknown with a vaccine about this? what do you know about the vaccine to incur the risk of the unknown of what is the believed benefits of the unknown with the benefits of this vaccine? >> there are always risks when have you a vaccine, but if you look at the track record, these types of vaccines which have been delivered on a seasonal basis, for decades and decades, with an ordinarily good safety

record, that is comforting. you never could rule out the way out type of a toxicity which might even be manifested later on. but these type of vaccines has a good safety record. that is the first thing. the second thing is that the -- look at the risk benefit. back in 1976, which everyone refers to when you didn't have a pandemic, but you had adverse events from the vaccine, there was no pandemic. something started in ft. dix with a few soldiers and one died and it never got out of ft. dix. we know we have a global pandemic right now. so the risk of a pandemic is very real in front of us. that is the kind of risk benefit ratio that you think about when you talk about vaccinating and the safety versus the benefits. >> i guess the thing is just to pick on arianna's point because it applies to so many things we talk about, we're just trying to avoid a culture with anything

where we assume unknown risk in order to for the expediency -- >> this is politics here. you can't say expediency. we have to say yes, it's with a risk and no, it's with a risk and waive those. >> of course, we do. >> my -- >> we live in a society where the taxpayer takes the risk and the compensation goes to the bankers. >> and then they get bonuses. >> i believe this is cavalier. >> why? >> they have data. >> to tell the public vaccinate yourself. we don't know what the risks are but is there a chance you might get infected. i think there needs to be real concerted effort to identify the side effects. >> the question is if we know the risk, if it's a quantifiable risk of the pandemic spreading without some sort of a vaccine, so we know if we do not intervene that the statistics

suggests this type of a development, at what point -- to avert that do you incur the risk that you fear in order to deal with this? >> i really willing to put a lot more results right now into identifying side effects. i mean, that happens. if you take [ inaudible ] had two different -- >> can i interrupt? >> you get the last word, doctor. >> yes. something very important. the cdc is going to have a very intensive surveillance and following post-vaccination, so if there are side effects that occur and you only see after you vaccinated large numbers of people, the surveillance mechanisms that they put in place will pick that up. they're not just going to vaccinate people and forget about it. that's not going to happen. >> doctor, thank you for your time and dr. snyderman, thank you for your time. >> always. >> at some point, i'm going to commission you to advise me for my own medical care. >> i'm going to give awe shot! >> i'll be running down the hallway! i'll pass out! i can't handle it.

>> i'm running on fear! >> you run the fastest. >> i'm not getting a shot. >> arianna and i will both be running down the hall. >> i'll put your pants down anyway! >> don't you have a tv show to host? contessa, help me! >> i don't know how to follow up on that one, dylan! >> keep on moving, baby. president obama is hitting the road to try to sell his health care reform plan. he will hold two town hall meetings today. the first at noon at a high school in raleigh, north carolina. the second at a supermarket in bristol, virginia. we'll keep the eye on those events. in a morning show tv appearance, fox news comem tater glenn beck called president obama a racist. >> this president, he i think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over again who has a deep-seeded hatred for white people. i'm not saying that he doesn't like white people. i'm saying he has a problem. he has -- this guy is, i

believe, a racist! >> and fox news has responded and says that glenn beck does not speak for the network. here is how the naacp responded. hilary shelton is senior vise president of the naacp. good to see you today, sir. >> great to be with you. thank you. >> talk about this moment in time and how much damage it does to hear a guy like glenn beck accuse the president of being a racist? >> particularly under these circumstances, what we have, in fact, is a case in which a prominent african-american professor at harvard university was arrested for no other reason than to punish him for being uppity. the police officer used his authority to arrest him, knowing that the charges would not stick. they would end up having to go to jail for 4 1/2 hours, as he did, and very well then be released. when the president of the united

states weighed in, he said this behavior was, quite frankly, stupid. what he said is that the actions of that police officer was stupid. but then he took the next step and said you know, we need to talk about this issue. saying to us in many ways one of the biggest challenges we have as a nation is we don't talk about issues of race. we treat them as impolite dinner conversation in the same categories as we do issues like religion and politics. >> because in those cases when a conversation gets heated, it's too easy to jump to you are a racist as an issue of blame. here is the president tomorrow. he's going to sit out on his back yard picnic table at the mice with two other guys and try to deescalate the situation. they are going to sit there and chat. is that the way to resolve these kind of conflicts?

>> it's the beginning of a process. very well, the president demonstratinging how we can sit down and discuss even the hard issues and people may very well disagree with, but we're also hoping that comes from that conversation is move towards public policy that will help address the concerns as well. one of the qugs we have around these issues that emanate from race are very well what we do about them in circumstances like the criminal justice system and very well that became the challenging issue for the president and in many ways we shaw how his very limited statement was taken and run in so many different directions, including the deplorable direction in which mr. beck took tichlt when colin powell said in an interview with larry king he thought the professor could have done more to avoid being arrested, what you teach kids is not to harass the police, to cooperate and if you think that you've been wronged, you file a complaint later on and you sue them. do you agree? >> in many ways, that is true. there are ways people avoided to be arrested by the police along

those lines but that doesn't mean the police are wrong in what we are doing. very well, mr. gates could have been quiet, could have said nothing and very well probably would not have been arrested but when he said how he felt in a way that was, by the way, not illegal, not against the law and not reason an arrestable defense he was arrested so there is still a problem here. >> absolutely. hilary, thank you. >> my pleasure. we will hear for the first time from the woman who called the cops on that harvard professor. she dialed 9 1us because she thought there might be a burglary. nbc will carry the interview live. her mom is already talking and tell reporters that she needs to get her life back to normal. >> she's been a lot of threats on her. >> really? >> she's been through a lot. >> getting threats. president obama will sit down over a beer with crowley and gates at the white house 6:00 p.m. tomorrow. dylan? >> thank you very much, contessa. still to come this hour of

the "morning meeting," the recession hitting home. we're talking housing on the set and we're going to talk housing on the set right after this. data looks pretty good. but is this just a summer peak? or have we turned the corner? arian arianna, karen and myself and barry riddles from the author of bailout nation rejoins the conversation. we have two good books on the set today. pigs at the trough and even more pigs from arianna and bailout nation. back with the whole gang after this. . i never thought i would have a heart attack,

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state budget not the ont concern in california. new numbers show that foreclosure crisis hitting especially hard. >> existing home sales have been rising the past three months. new home sales jumped 11% last

month. a lot of those sales are from foreclosures. in fact, in california the rate of foreclosures is as high as the rate of new homes in the entire of united states. the number of default notices handed out last week reached second highest level on record at more than 45,000 for a a lot of families it is not getting better. >> yeah. this is, again, a tale for those who say, listen. everybody participated. a lot participated in the credit bubble but those who participated and couldn't afford the houses are getting out of their houses. our government made it happen. that's the tragedy. >> here is the tragedy here for me. which is there was a -- down amendment that failed in the senate because of the intense lob yik by the same banks that got the bailout money and used some of it to lobby congress, not to pass the -- amendment which would have prevented a lot

of foreclosures. the bottom line, why, if you basically have the value of your home now be lower than your mortgage, there's never any chance that you're going to get out of that. >> that's why you walk away. smart business thing to do is to say, this is a bad deal and walk away. i'm actually in favor of foreclosures. i know a that's a radical position but if you can't afford the house you're in, you should move to a house or an apartment you can afford. let the prices come down so people who can -- you have all of these newlyweds who can't get into houses. >> move into your grandmother, et cetera, et cetera, have the grandma move in with you. schilling housing data which does suggest stabilization if you look at the sequence over the course of the serm. am i understanding the data correctly? what is the right way to look? people say it's up from last month in july relative to june, what are we missing. >> the thing to remember when you look at case shiler. it's seasonal like all housing is.

bottoms in january and peaks in the summer and drifts off again. >> buy a house when the weather is nicer. they want to get into the new home in order to the kids to start the new school year. you don't want to be that odd. the other thing to remember is we've had a big mortgage foreclosure moratorium that ended a few weeks ago. this is the may data that was covered by the moratorium. so you're not seeing toer closures at much. as bad as these numbers were, it's part of a period where banks were voluntarily doing less foreclosures and go back to march and april, that was the lowest interest rate we've seen pretty much in half a century. it's now half a point higher. higher rates mean lower prices. >> can i give you some good news? >> please. i'm in dire need! i'm dying for good news! >> i'm dying for some good news. in philadelphia, there's a program which needs to go nationwide. >> what is it? >> which is a lot of lawyers are out of work. thousands of lawyers are out of work around the country. >> yep. >> so they've gathered together

and volunteered judges, have created really a peoples court where they are dealing with people's foreclosures and they have prevented thousands of foreclose urs. it's an amazing model and can somehow help spread it nationwide. it's the philadelphia housing -- i don't remember the exact name. >> a legal consortium in philadelphia, though? >> it's really something that can be done and can prevent -- any time we can prevent one foreclosure, we're strengthening the community. >> while this is potentially good news on the financial front, people still feel depressed and in their own lives, they don't have jobs and they feel concern. so what is it going to take, i guess, is the question. we could have discussion maybe this is good news but if people don't feel it, politically speaking then we're in trouble. >> i think we need some sort of aspiration. in other words, you think about the moon speech and the kennedy moon speech and we do it because

it's hard. we don't do it because it's easy. we are in a very hard situation. we have to create an efficient health care system. that will be hard to do. we have to get rid of too big to fail and for once and for all take our government back from those who are buying it and using for their interest at the expense of the taxpayer. that's hard to do. i think you have to get people excited about the challenge of improving and creating a 21st century government and demanding a 21st century government at a time when a 19th century government is being used in a 21st century society at the country's expense. >> that's true. the president has been talking about the fact that we've got to -- >> he needs to -- >> the stable -- >> he needs to act like it. he doesn't act like it. >> the criticism well, that's too much. >> listen, i don't care about -- i don't care about the criticism and none of us are running for office so we don't care. >> we care about what the polls say. if people don't feel things are getting better, that matters. >> here is the problem with the polls. as soon as we got into a system where i could borrow against the future to rig the results of the

polls today. in other words, i could go out schwarzenegger style or whoever it is and say, listen. i'll put it off till next year, next year, next year, next year. as opposed to dealing with today's problems, so until we demand that the government -- till the american people understands that they must demand that the government deal with these things today and that they cannot indulge the politicians that will give us the candy that is the future wealth of our nation so they can stay in office, it is bankrupting america. >> but, also, you know, we have to demand transparency. i cannot believe -- is getting away we're not going to tell you where the bailout money has gone. that to me is stunning. >> it's the mayor. it is, it is. >> we're ignoring so many warning signs. i was in bombay recently. it was destroyed in 7980 and you read in history about all of the warning signs that were there and they ignored them. they went on because they wanted

to forget that there was trouble coming. the water wasn't flowing. the dogs are running away. the birds are dying and they went on! >> that is the famous benjamin israeli quote which is unfortunately true. what we learn from history is that we essentially learn nothing from history. we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. you look at what happened this time. it's not really different. >> i have a lot of faith faith in the american people. i think the 2010 election will be historic and the moment when the american people demand systemic change. i think election will not be about politic. i think about the system of government in this country that is failing us and needs to be updated to reflect 21st century standards of transparency and responsible -- responsibility for the people and not to the lobbyists who put them in office. >> it all comes back to campaign contributions. >> it's all about the government being bout and paid for. >> for 2010 that puts pressure as it should on the democrats. >> you're right. >> people will say we thought we

voted for change in 2008. you run the congress. you got the white house. what are we getting for it? we want change. >> america has had it with the hatfields and the mccoys. the democrats and republicans are not political parties. the political parties is the corn party, bank party and trial lawyer and union party and quite frankly it's a misdirect to allow this system to perpetuate itself. >> people are more worried about holding on to their seats. >> americans need to demand a change because the politicians will not do it. in the next half hour, what is the problem with health care? yes, i'm going to dare! this is like a trip to crazy! >> is it time for the dolls? >> when do we get to michael jackson? not today! we're going to break down health care with some dolls. i got all -- i got "morning meeting" masterpiece theater coming up after this. sarah palin, too. we'll do that as well. i got a sarah palin doll on hand

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health care overhaul. nbc white house accordance savannah guthrie is live at the white house. what is the president's message today? >> i think we're going to hear a slightly retooled message from the president in recognition of the fact that a lot of americans who have insurance now aren't sure what health care reform gets them, frankly. so i think we'll hear the president hit upon a new theme saying reform will bring more stability and more security to you. he will talk about the items in any reform package which is insurance companies not able to deny you if you have a pre-existing condition or drop you because you get very security or more security that you lose your job there will be an option other than through your employer to get insurance. those are the themes i expect him to hit. he is going to do two town

halls. one in virginia and one in raleigh, north carolina. the one in virginia is at a kroger grocery store in the produce aisle, no less. >> i want to bring karen finney in quickly here. if you were advising the president today, what would you tell him to say? >> you got to stay very firm on his support for the public option. you can see we're listening for that. they are hearing a lot of different rhetoric. i think he has to continue to dispel the myth. we're not talking about rationing of care and taking away your medicare. the public option gives people the choice. do you want to keep what you have or do you want to get into a public system? he's got to stay firm on that message. a lot of people arguing on the left nervous when they hear coming out of congress that perhaps that is already off the table. >> i got it. arianna? >> he has to basically draw a line in the sand and say what has to be in a bill that he will sign. that he it can't be free for all. >> and posted on the internet. these are the standards we must have for a health care reform to be health care reform.

>> right. otherwise it's another note i left behind reform. >> yeah. >> reform is nothing. >> he has to make it clear he is willing to put all of that political on the line and hold members of congress if they don't vote the right way. >> that is the voters' responsibility. everybody in this country can vote two ways. >> hardball. >> with their vote and money they don't pay in taxes. how you vote you are in control of the american people need to start express more consciously i think what they expect. i think what we realize is the president is one thing and congress is another. >> 2010. >> dr. james royhack joins the conversation from the ama. doctor, welcome. i'm going through a little bit of a description here on health care and i want to help you -- ask you to assist me in trying to solve for some of the inefficiencies. i care how we spend a lot. 16% of our gdp, on a per capita

average basis we get very little. health care, as i understand it, doctor, please correct me at any point, because, obviously, i'm not a professional. but in order to have health care first up i'm going to need a patient. right? if i don't have patients i don't have health care. unless i have people in need of health care there is no need for health care. i have my patients, right? ideally we want a system that serves this person. this is the top priority. the patient, the patient, the patient. i don't know why anything else other than this patient the person who needs health care is the top priority. i think about that. what is your priority? is your priority the doctor or the hospital? it should only be those things if that helps the patient. anyway, here is your health care patient. then i've got the doctor. >> short skirt doctor there, dylan! >> i got a hot doctor. in order to have health care i need these two i have the doctor and patient. if i have this, i'm pretty good. a doctor, a patient, i put anywhere you want to go. if we could do more than we

could do otherwise. okay? doctor/patient. if i create a hospital for the doctor and the patient i can get better -- just do this. i'm not a professional! let's lie down. we're playing dolls, all right? drrks, patient, hospital and the fourth thing i need is treatment, pharmaceuticals, cat scans, whatever it is. health care consists of those four things. the question is do the treatment, the drug companies and doctors and hospitals do they have mutually aligned interests to serve the patient? right? that is systemically the question. right now, we pay this guy, the health insurance man to facilitate the interaction between all of these different people and health insurance guy decides you get the drug. no, you don't get the drug. the doctor argues with the health care and says i want to give a nudge but i'm not giving you that much money for all of that. i hate you! i'm leaving your plan, right? meanwhile the patient is bleeding, mind you. drug company saying i want more money for my drugs.

no, i can't have anymore! hospital the same thing. i'm concerned the inefficiency, doctor, too many people in washington are receiving too much money from this guy and, as a result, they're making decisions on what it is in his best interests, health insurance man. what is in health insurance man's best interest and what is if in his best is happens to be contrary in what is patient's best history, no one in our congress seems to care. i don't understand why the health care debate is not a patient-driven debate. efficient delivery of health care to patients is how health care should be talked about, in my opinion. am i missing something, doctor? >> well, you've highlighted what the american medical association is all about and that is we know at the end of the day, as a practicing doc, it's the patient and the doctor that need to make the decision on what is best for that patient, based on evidence and science. now, the key is this is not a

democrat issue. this is not a democrat issue. it's not a republican issue. it's not a blue issue. it's not a red issue. >> bingo. >> it's how do we -- how do we make a system that gets rid of the unnecessary cost that currently exists in the american system so that we can have affordable health insurance for everything? because at the end of the day, the one thing you didn't mention is how do we pay for this? the payment -- >> hold on, doctor. the reason i deliberatery did not mention how we pay for that, the reason di that -- can i have him back real quick some how do we pay for this is being driven by people that are not the patient. and, as a result, we have the most efficient system in the world. i'm going to refuse to have a conversation about how do we pay for this until we can have a complete conversation as to how we do it. so why we're talking about how we pay for something that we have yet to figure out how to do, which is how do we get best health care, best practices delivered to patients, by doctors, where is my doctor?

by doctors, in hospitals -- oh, goodness. in hospitals, good thing i'm not in charge of the hospital. i thought it was glued together. we're not going to make anything happen. i feel like the reason for that is because health care -- health insurance man is sending so much money to protect basically what is now a false monopoly of some kind around his business, whereas, if i had an internet marketplace for health insurance, a public option competing with health insurance, a co-op, ron wyden plan, anything that causes competition and patient-driven decision-making, i don't see that conversation happening, doctor. i can see you two here as well. karen, go ahead. >> can i have the guy back? >> here you go. >> look. here is what people have to remember. come august when the insurance companies run all of those ads and rnc spends over a million dollars to scare you it's not a republican or democratic issue. it's as if the patient or is it the insurance company? that's it. >> exactly. >> that is the question they need to take to their members of

congress are you for me or this guy. >> let's not forget the drug industry! >> speaking of that, you want some? >> what is it? what do you got? >> oh, my god, what is it? >> i got to go to sleep! hang on! >> hold on! >> all right. >> we need to recognize the drug industry also has incredible power to affect what is happening. i mean, look at the concessions we've already gotten. implementation of drugs from canada. huge time period during which they -- competition. on top of it, the worst part of it, the government not negotiating with the drug industry for competitive and really low prices. what do you think about that. >> very quickly, doctor. >> well, clearly, we need to fix the system that is broken. and it's broken because we're spending a lot of time on administrative waste and spending a lot of time on defensive medicine, which is not really in the patient's best

interest. we want to, as the american medical association, do what we do best in america -- innovate, create, and focus on patient-centered care. that's what doctors do every day, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. >> bingo. >> we go into this profession to care for patients and we want to have a system help us take care of patients the best way and as the ama, that's why we're committed to health reform this year, because it's long overdue. >> yes. >> we need to make some changes now before the baby boomers hit medicare. >> yes. >> before the disease burden of obesity wipes us out. we need to make some fundamental changes and that is why we're committed to working through this process so that the patient and the doctor are making the decision what is best for them based on the best evidence possible. >> by the way, capitalism is free market competition. capitalism is the ability to have choice by the consumer, in this case, the patient. capitalism is not exploiting

your barriers to entry to regulate the flow of money so that you remain rich, while patients and doctors continue to struggle for resources and america suffers as a result. the american politicians need to wake up and realize this is a patient-based conversation. this is not a conversation about left or right or anything else. we are inefficient because we do not have a health care system that focuses on the patient and the doctor and helping the two of them better take care of each other. doctor, i really appreciate your time and hope you'll come back and continue this conversation. if you ever want my dolls for a speech, i will send them to you. >> we're committed to the reform this year and we know we can do it if we work together to say, how do we make it best for the patient and the doctor, to make the best decision at the time that the patient needs us. >> very good. >> very, very quickly. is the ama going to support public option? >> we want to support something that is viable, economically.

>> that means no? >> we do not want to have anything that is going to tip the balance improperly. we want to make sure all patients are covered. >> all i want is competition that drives out inefficiency and those who make money capturing inefficiency that they protect with lobbying money is over. >> by the washt patient. >> this show has been on the air for a month. we thought we would do review and analysis of my performance and we'll do that after this. ♪ >> you're needed on the bridge, sir shramt. >> knock on my door! knock next time! >> yes, sir. >> did you see anything? >> no, sir, i didn't see you playing with your dolls again! >> good! ♪ he's the man with all the toys ♪ hour, andy rk has the fastest serve in the history of professional tennis.

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all right. welcome back. we have been on the air with this show for exactly one month today and our anniversary of one month which means the show is up for review and that means i'm up for review. of course, the producers claim to be too busy right now so they sent the youngest member of our staff, brett osmond, to deliver the report. our producers probably have friends that work at aig. anyway, brett, nice to see you. >> good morning, dylan. let me say congratulations on the month. i can't believe it's gone by already. >> yeah. >> it's been so quick and yet so long. >> what is with the headset some. >> this is part of what i wear. i'm just doing my job. the producers were too busy to come on and give you the facts. this is not what i'm saying. this is what the research is saying. >> the research says the following some. >> the research says, number one, they kind of gave you a report card. >> okay. >> in terms of taking turns talking! >> how did we do? >> they say you could use an improvement! we have a clip!

>> please play this. >> this is not what we need as an -- >> why do politicians continue to empower these type of systems? >> utilities on than encino home. >> michael jackson's mother saying i continue to get my allowance from -- >> not by executive order -- >> from the people. >> the strongest laws are made out of congress and also -- >> poor exercise and walking on the treadmill. i'm breaking a sweat talking about that, not so much. >> what is the time gap between walking on the treadmill and rehearsing in l.a. for razzle dazzle? >> hours and hours -- >> so -- >> sweating so much. >> you can't get a word in edge-wise and we'll hear about it later and come up in the week end review. >> i'm going to work on that one. >> they say sometimes! >> i agree with them. >> sometimes -- >> what is that? >> you interrupt people! that was their point there. we have plenty time would ork on it. they say you enjoy participating in conversation. you like to give lectures so in

terms of -- >> lectures? really? >> yes. they say you exceed expectations which it comes to participating in conversations. let's play the clip. >> in 1u9 two pieces of legislation were passed. one, graham leech bily that created more risk taking with deposits well intended. i'm not saying -- some of these things were done with the intent of efficiency because if we have -- let me finish! >> saying if we do not come up with ex-hundred billion dollars tonight, there will be layoffs, no -- >> but, dylan -- >> have all of those things. >> so that was -- yeah. you like to participate -- >> but you understand -- >> in conversation. >> all right. >> it's a good thing. i'm just saying what the data says. this isn't my personal thing, you know? in terms of using an inside voice. they say you could use improvement. >> okay. >> you do talk kind of loudly. i'm like can we turn this down? it's really hurting. no offense. you have a loud voice.

>> i have a loud mouth. >> the fourth part, fully explains thoughts. they gave you an incomplete. i think what they were going for was kind of you have so much knowledge in your head, so much knowledge, and, you know, we've only scratched the surface. there's so much going on -- >> i feel like you're putting positive spin on this, brett. i feel like you're trying to get in good with me. >> because i love the show. it's great. i'm just giving you the research. >> all right. anything i'm not going to get into it, brett. thank you very much. no feedback from our producers? >> no. i think we'll talk about that later. >> i'm sure they are. brett, you're a brave man to come out here and deliver this sort of feedback. i look forward to seeing you at the quartly review and outlook for the show in october -- maybe september actually. we'll be right back after this commercial break with the take-away, either way. (announcer) before they give you the lowest price,

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all right. welcome back. we wrap up this particular meeting with a take-away on health care. we talked quite a bit about it today. overhauling the system. why is the patient not the top priority in these conversations?

very confusing. our own dr. nancy snyderman offering to become my own personal physician in the process. take a listen. >> yeah. i know. i will be running down the hallway. i will pass out. i can't handle it! >> running from fear for me. i'm not letting dylan get a shot. >> arianna and both of us will be running down the hall. >> i'll be pulling your pants so fast anyway! >> promises, promises. given i haven't seen a doctor in ten years' time i think i'll take advantage of the corporate synergy and take dr. nancy to be my personal physician and not only will we try to solve the nation's health care problems and hope to fix a couple of my own. stick around. carlos watson will be up next. stay on pay for operations and more covert military action in afghanistan and carlos is on that. i am dylan ratigan and look forward to seeing you back here

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