they warned you lose your coverage, you won't be able to get health care at the end of life. has the right wing gone from health care to health scare? good wednesday, everyone. i'm con testa brewer. there's breaking news on reforming health care. still some insist on attacking the president and not just on his policies. >> not saying he doesn't like white people. i'm saying he has a problem. this guy is, i believe, a racist. >> and before you get into that tanning bed, look out. a new warning. it's as dangerous as arsenic. a lawmaker who preaches about when and where it's okay to have sex is not practicing what he preaches, at least not with his wife. let's get right to the big story right now. breaking news about health care. democrat leaders in the house reached a deal with fiscal conservatives in how to move

forward with health care legislation. he says he has a deal that could have 95% of all americans insured by 2015 for less than the white house target. back-to-back town hall meetings he's talking health insurance rather than health care. >> insurance companies will have to abide by a yearly cap on how many you can be charged for o out-of-pocket expenses. >> savannah guthrie is at the white house. tell us about the message we're hearing from the president. >> it's focused on folks who already have insurance. because the white house really recognizes that part of the message really isn't resonating with the american people. clearly people who don't have insurance recognize they have something to gain from health care reform. but what about those folks getting insurance from their employer who are basically happy with what they have. the president has long said,

look, we don't want to mess with that, we don't want to change that. but when talking about a health care reform overhaul there will be changes to the system as a whole which might mean employers acting to those changes, which might mean the insurance we're all used to could change. people are focused on that. they're scare tactics in washington, saying he was partly trying to correct the misinformation that's out there. we saw this retooled message from the president and it's frankly because this issue is hurting them. we've seen it in poll after poll. nbc will debut a polarity this afternoon about whether this whole debate is hurting the president in the polls. >> we put graphics for coverage for pre-existing conditions, what a lot of insurance companies don't offer. he absolutely does not want exorbitant co-pays which would pay for prevention.

he wants to see there are rules against dropping people who become seriously ill, that you wouldn't be discriminated against if you were a woman. which right now women typically pay higher premiums. and no lifetime cap on coverage. it's ambitious. so where do things stand on capitol hill in terms of getting it done? >> well, as to the talking points you just mentioned, these are not the most contentious issues. these are not new positions the president. it's repackaginging or reselling, the top eight gripes people would have about their plans. there's talk on the house and senate side. senate finance committee has been working for weeks behind closed doors trying to come up with a bipartisan deal. a draft came in at $900 billion. $100 billion less than what most

people expected. the white house will be happy to hear that. and the blue dog democrats, conservative democrats holding up things on the house side have reached a deal after meeting late into the night with some of the house leadership. so we expect now the house will vote this plan out of committee by the end of the week before the house recess and the expectation is senate finance committee will also vote something out by the time the senate wraps up next week. >> savannah, thank you for the wrapup. >> sure. >> my big question is overhauling the health system. clinics and hospitals and non-profit programs have figured out how to give people affordable health care. are there lessons to be learned there? and people are talking what great conference senators get. how is their time as a civilian trying to pay for medical coverage inform their decision as a lawmaker. i have a freshman congressman who just got health care

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are here in this country. a harvard professor, henry lewis gates. the woman who called 911 in the first place trying to do the right thing in the first place, said she feared for her safety. she spoke at a passionate news conference today. >> the criticism at first was so painful for me. it was difficult. i was frankly afraid to say anything. people called me racist and said i caused all the turmoil that followed. and some even said threatening things that made me fear for my safety. >> joins me now from cambridge. has there been any concern, ron, else pressed from local law enforcement that in all the requests that people, if they see something to say something, to be a good neighbor and participate in the neighborhood watches, that this whole incident at all would discourage people from reporting what they

perceive as a crime? >> reporter: i don't think there's that much concern. i think people see this as someone unique situation that escalated. certainly this kind of thing doesn't happen that often. the hope is people who do see things will still say something. ms. whalen said if she had to do it all over again she would still call 911 because she thought that was the right thing to do. she was upset because there's something in the police report that said she told sergeant crowley saw two black men with backpacks trying to break into the home. she said she only identified herself to crowley as the person who called 911. it is unclear while it was written in the police report. there were a series of articles and allegations that she was racially motivated, and that's what she was talking about. that was the firestorm she was living in. it was very difficult for her to be out here this afternoon. her hands were shaking.

her husband was standing with her. she was very emotional. this is an ordinary person, a whom who works for harvard alumni magazine, walking to launch, encounters an elderly woman, gates trying to get into his home. ms. whalen used her cell phone to call police. and she does. we know what happened after all that. she hopes the media will leave her alone and she has her reputation and integrity back. >> ron, thank you. we just learned when gates, professor gates and sergeant crowley meet at the white house with president obama tomorrow, the president is going to enjoy a bud light, just so you know. we have michael jackson news this afternoon. investigators don't call michael jackson's doctor a suspect in his death. the dea and lapd showed up in las vegas to search his home and

office. they took away a computer, cell phone and documents in what they call a manslaughter investigation. tsome z caught the elusive physician on camera. it captured dr. murray walking around the neighborhood after his house was searcheded. jay gray is following this story now from burbank. i understand you got word from the coroner's office about when we'll get results from that toxicology test. >> yeah. we've got better understanding on that, contessa. or at least as good as we can get from all of this. word is the report may not be released until sometime next week. initially we had been told it would come out this week. it looks like it may take another week. no doubt they're trying to make sure everything is in place they dot all the is, cross all the ts and make sure this report is complete. at the heart of this is the toxicology results which take a little longer than the rest of the autopsy report. so that's what they say they are waiting on and want to make sure they have everything in place

before they release that. you talk about dr. conrad murray. while he may not be classified as a suspect, it is very clear he is at the center of this investigation. police have been to his clinic in houston. they have now been to his clinic and home in las vegas. they've done a lot of work here. also investigating dr. murray and that powerful sedative diprivan or propofol. those two clearly what is driving this investigation at this point. an investigation that has been tu termed manslaughter investigation. it is not a criminal investigation and likely won't be when we get the results of the autopsy report. >> jay gray, thanks for keeping us in the loop. dashboard camera may be the downfall of the very officer that it's supposed to help. the camera caught cops plotting to frame another driver for the crash they had actually caused. this happened in february. the video shows that driver handcuffed in the back of the squad. she reportedly admits she had

been drinking. but the cop crashed into her. as the camera rolls on the dashboard, the officers reportedly make up a story and change evidence to make it look like the woman caused the accident. still ahead, more breaking news we're following. blue dog democrats on health care. a big deal in the senate. we'll explain more on that just ahead. and we'll talk to a republican congressman, greg harper, about the news coming from washington, d.c. plus, a unique perspective of the father of a child with major medical issues and the problems he faced getting health care coverage. plus, some lawmakers want to ban texting while driving around the country. common sense should take care of that. does it really take a law? apparently. temperatures hitting the triple digit mark, and we're not talking about the deserts of california. we're talking about the pacific northwest. this may be a once-in-a-lifetime

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i want my children and grandchildren to look back and say this is when we decided to take the politics out of it and start doing something for the future of this country. >> ah, president obama fired up in a town hall to push his health care plane. breaking news. democrats reached a deal with the conservative blue dog democrats. some say americans should have access to the same quality coverage or senators and our representatives get when they go to washington, d.c.

congressman greg harper from mississippi now gets the quality coverage but didn't always have that kind of health insurance until he was elected because of a condition his son has. it's great to have you on. explain to me how your son's condition affected your family's access to quality health care coverage. >> well, our son, liddington, has fragile x syndrome. like many people who find out their child has a disability, it took a couple years to get the correct diagnosis and had a misdiagnosis for about two years. and so many families struggle with that on fajr ill x syndrome of getting that correct diagnosis. i was employed with another law firm and changed jobs when he was almost 4 years old. when i went to a new health insurance he was basically uninsurable at that point. it was not until six or seven

years ago when i got a job as city prosecutor in my home county that we were able to get him back on that policy -- or back with coverage. i think this is a problem that can be addressed with that pre-existing issue. i think you can find wide bipartisan support for that particular issue. and i hope that the president and the democratic leadership will work towards a solution that will give us the plan on any reform that 445 members can agree on not just 218. >> congressman, when we're talking about overhauling health care, we all know what it's like to go to the doctor. even if you have great health insurance to have to deal with the paperwork, the mind-boggling busy work that goes along with getting your bills paid is unbelievable. but in your case, with a child with special needs, which i should mention fragile x is a developmental disability,

symptoms similar to autism, if you're trying to get the best treatment for your son, for scientific bareakthrough did yo pay out of pocket or forgo some because of the costs in. >> obviously that's a consideration that every family has to, you know, address. and there were some things -- and we were very fortunate because during that time we really didn't have any major illnesses that we had to deal. and it was a period of years that you pray a lot. and i know a lot of families struggle with that. that's why it's important that folks have some affordable insurance that might be available, you know, for them. and we certainly -- you know, one thing as we're looking at this is another reason and something we can depend on being here, is it puts us in a situation to help direct some of the funding that already exists towards fragile x syndrome. it's been one of the things

that's been a little bit left out in the past. and then overall with children with special needs, my son, who is 20, wants to go to college. and he's taking some community college classes. well, he wants to go enjoy the senior college experience. and we're working here and in mississippi to help him along those lines. >> >> whit: comes to health care, and this is the big topic of the day, and we're talking about the deal that the blue dog democrats may have made to push through this, what do you think of the health care proposals that you have seen in terms of overhauling the way we do medical business in our nation? >> well, obviously the bill as it existed prior to this point, we don't know what the final bill is going to be because it hasn't gone through all the committee markups. we won't know that until we see it perhaps next week we've been told the deal comes up. what we want to do is make sure there is choice for folks in this country. and i want to make sure that the choices that are made are

between you and your doctor, not between you and some health care bureaucrat in washington. these are the decisions we need to make >> whit: comes to quality of care. >> the ama is with you on that and they want the same thing. this agreement reduces the cost of the overall bill to less than a trillion dollars. it puts the public auction on a level playing field where they have to negotiate the rates just like private insurance companies. it protects small businesses, removes 86% of the businesses in this country from that employer mandate employers would have to give their employ ease health care and it pushes the floor action on the bill to sometime in september. so from what i'm reading to you, and this is our understanding of what this bill might encompass, is that something that you could support? >> obviously i haven't seen what is going to come out as the energy and commerce committees as we speak.

i don't know what they would actually come up with. >> those major points i just listed, if those are indeed what companies in the final bill, could you support those? >> obviously i did not support it in the form i saw it in and i thought the public auction was going to have an impact. what we'll do is this, we'll take a fair look at it, see what their final proposed bill is, and then we can answer that question. >> does your experience not being able to get coverage for livingston approach this now, or does your conservative outlook inform how you approach it now? >> actually you can't separate your life experiences. you look at this and the compassion you have for families dealing with children with special needs. so we want to make sure whatever we planned may come up with that it's one that does address those issues. it makes sure seniors get to enjoy their quality of life and those decisions.

and we'll look along those lines and try to come up with something that we can support. >> do you think every american has a right to health care? >> it think we have to make sur that whatever plan we come up with is something -- we do have to be able to afford whatever we come up with. so that is going to be, you know, a fundamental question that we'll have to address. >> but i'm not sure if that was a yes. is that a yes, every american will have the right to health care? >> i think -- i certainly would say that affordable health care, affordable health insurance is something that i would support. we just have to come up with a plan that's appropriate. >> if you sit back right now and don't do anything, we're watching health care costs skyrocket, it's a burden to business, as you know. it's a burden to states, as you know. it is a burden to federal

government, as you well know. do you think that sitting back and doing nothing, keeping a hands-off approach is acceptable? >> i think what we have is there is certainly republicans and democrats that had some proposals that we need to look at. i think certainly the conventional wisdom here, and i think the intent is that we do need to reform some things. let's work on the things i know we can driveway on rather than divide the country. >> like what? >> obviously making sure we do have choice on health care, that we protect our seniors in this plan and make sure -- you know, if you look at a public auction, that will mean those health care choices are between a doctor -- i mean, between a patient and government bureaucrat in washington. that could have disastrous consequences for us. >> you said several times about protecting seniors. what particularly is your concern

>> whit: comes to patient seniors? >> one thing we were talking about when campaigning, my mother is 86 years old. she's a fantastic mom. and i want to make sure we take care of mama in this equation. that's why when you have three committees that are looking at this and coming up with their different markups now, we just want to see what's in the final bill and would love to have an opportunity to look at that and see what we can support in that bill and what we think say bad idea and come up with better suggestions in the process. >> congressman, it's my pleasure talking to you. i appreciate hearing your personal story, your own struggle to get good medical coverage for livingston. good luck. and i hope he gets to college. >> he's doing great. he's been with me for a couple days and getting ready to a plane to go back. he's a real bless. thieves steal from a local charity. caught on camera. security camera video, we'll

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welcome back to msnbc on this wednesday. i'm contessa brewer. in just a minute you'll hear from a well-known conservative who called the president a racist. later, how big is the threat of homegrown terrorists here in the united states? but right now president obama is in north carolina trying to help americans understand what he plans to do in this health care battle over reform. >> the bills started coming in and i knew that i was not going

to be able to make the bills with my income and also with my husband's income. and it just started snow balling from there. >> but as that mother found out, and others are finding out, health is out there. the executive director of the pretty in pink foundation. give me the lowdown on what your organization does for women who experience breast cancer. >> yes. thank you for having me. the pretty in pink foundation is a not-for-profit organization within the state of north carolina that provides funding for breast cancer patients for treatment. i'm referring to anywhere from surgery, chemotherapy, radiation therapy and many times all three. >> what role, penny, do volunteers and financial donations play in your ability to turn around and give women with breast cancer treatment? >> actually, that is huge. what we bring in, 90% of all

funds that are brought into our organization go directly back to the patient for treatment care. the use of volunteersis essential for us. we're always utilizing the volunteers that come our way, always looking for more volunteers to come our way, as well as contributions. we are strictly run by individual contributions as well as corporate contributions. of course we are always needing more in order for us to continue on our mission of saving the next woman's life. >> given the fact that your contributions actually pay for the medical care, it's important, i would imagine, for your charity to maximize those dollars. have you found ways to efficiently deliver that all-important medical care in ways that you think could be applied to the nation as a whole? >> yes. i can. think of the woman sitting in her oncology's office and she has deemed her as being now a new breast cancer survivor because she has just been diagnosed with breast cancer.

the woman has no place to go. first of all, it's hard already to keep food on the table, a roof over their head and now i have breast cancer. what do i do? it is a daunting fact that many women across the country, as well as here in the state of north carolina that have that problem. the problems are at their wits not knowing i'm the bread winner for our family, how can i help my wife in this situation as well. it is essential that we do continue to receive those contributions coming in so we can vastly put all of our -- the works of the money coming in to help the next woman who comes in there. cancer does not wait. different from other organizations, how we are very unique, particularly again in the state of north carolina, is we do provide the treatment for the woman for that need that is right now. cancer cannot wait. neither can we. >> penny, i'm sure a lot of people across the nation are wondering when they can reach out to a charity and find some of the same services that would be helpful no matter what the diagnosis is, if you're having a tough time and feel desperate,

you need to know somebody is there to help. thank you for coming in. appreciate you. new attacks on president obama. wait until you hear this. first, over his comments on the arrest of his friend, harvard professor henry lewis gates, and on obama's efforts to reform our health care plan. listen. >> this president, i think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over again who has a deep-seeded hatred for white people. i'm not saying that he doesn't like white people. i'm saying he has a problem. he has a -- this guy is, i believe, a racist. >> they'll make sure we bring down the cost for health care for all americans and that ensures affordable access and pro life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government. >> okay. first of all, on glenn beck

expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views not those of the fox news channel. and as with all commentators in the cable news arena, he is given the freedom to express his opinions. ron? do you support what glenn beck said? >> no, i don't. i think there's a lot we can talk about president obama and some of the policies he seeks to enact. but calling the president of the united states a racist is not product and i have frankly i think it's kind of stupid. >> former special assistant to president george w. bush. let me bring in peter, who is a democratic strategist and a veteran campaigner. if you're a public figure and you call the president a racist, what's your responsibility to not only your viewing public but to people who might see the replay of these clips? >> contessa, i don't think glenn

beck considers that and doesn't factor that in. he has a strong and fierce following and he just constantly spokes the fire. they tried this with area my ma wright and the campaign and it failed. it's just another example of frustration, i think. they used to call ronald reagan the teflon president. they're afraid barack obama is the teflon president. they just can't pierce the armor. >> if you have one conservative calling the president a racist, another getting up on the floor and saying that the seniors would not be put in a position of being put to death by their government. again, ron, is there a tactic here to scare people into voting, into pressuring their lawmakers certainly? are these just crazy scare

tactics? >> well, i just hope these people are only speaking for a small part of the republican party rather than the majority. those who have been elected across the country are looking from an i.d. logical perspective. the president says we're not going to cut medicare when in fact, the democratic bill would cut by 300 billion. let's not try to demagogue the issue. let's lay it out before the american people so they can have a clear idea what's going on. >> that seems to be a conservative talking point. i see it everywhere. it was posted on my facebook page yesterday that the government wants to put seniors -- they want old people the die sooner so they don't have to support them. i think it is a tough conversation to have about how much money do we spend on ends of life issues. how much are we willing to spend? but we have to talk about it. but to say the government wants to kill old people, come on. >> you don't hear me disagree,

that's absolutely right. in the '90s when newt gring rich wanted to cut medicare, they said he wanted to choke seniors on the vine. >> it wasn't right either. peter, what do you have to say? >> the big story today, the deal reached between the blue-dog democrats and the republicans in the senate on health care reform, this is a potential big win for the president and more importantly for the american people. and the problem with the republicans, some of the talking points of some of the members of the house on the ideological fringe, the scare tactic, the inflammatory rhetoric seemed to have passed them by. they tried to run the clock out on this reform effort. that hasn't worked. looks like everything is coming together. and you're going to see the members going back in august. democrats and republicans, at least the republicans in the senate who were part of the deal talking about the benefits of some health care package.

it will be fairly bipartisan not in the house but the senate. >> i've got to say i learned in philosophy class, if you're trying to make a lodge issue argument, draw the argument to its most extreme conclusion to make your point. and if you can make your point that way, well, then, job well done. ron, peter, maybe that's why the scare tactics get used. they work. do as i say, not as a do. he's been outspoken against unmarried people having sex. he wants to get up on the soapbox and preach but he just resigned over an affair with a 22-year-old intenor. stanley is 47 years old, married, two kids. resigned his state senate seat effective august 10th. he told reporters that agents who were investigating a black male case about the affair with mackenzie morrison were perhaps

correct, black male. he tried to extort money in april from the senator. threatened to release explicit photos taken by the senator. it's a big old mess. if you would practice what you preach, not just talk the talk but walk the walk, you'd be okay. nobody cares if you stand up and say i'm a big ol' senator. i like a little extramarital affair now and then. i do it. there's no problem. maybe with your life, not with your constituents. stifle anything new york city these days. if you want to get out of town, the mayor is offering one-way plane tickets for free, but you have to be homeless and you have to have someone outside the city willing to take you and your family in. here's part of a program to cut the amount of money that the city is spending on shelters. it cost $36,000 a year, mayor michael bloomberg says, per family. since they started offering the

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tobacco. the report says scientists found a risk of skin cancer, listen to this. if you've ever been to a tanning bed, listen up. now is the time to really listen to me. the risk of cancer if you go into these things jumps by 75% if you use one before you're 30. that will scare you away, won't it? let's get real. one man in ohio has had it up to here trying to save his business. and up to here means the roof of his carpet store. he said he's going to live up there until his bank loan comes through. >> just trying to generate some publicity for all the small business owners. i have some friends in the same boat that have lost their homes and everything. >> al smith owns dpal tonga ga carpet outlet. first off, how many days have you been on the roof? >> been living up there on the roof since sunday morning. i packed my suitcase and brought

me a tent out there and decided i'm going to live there until we get some action. >> what kind of action do you expect this to bring? >> what i'm here for is for all the small business people that need help. >> i get that, al. i get that. but i'm saying, who do you want help from? who do you think is going the see your stunt and step in? banks? politicians? volunteers in. >> everybody. the bank has the bailout money from the taxpayers. we have to force these banks to help everybody out. >> so do you think sitting on a roof is somewhat going to coax them -- coax everybody into stepping up in some way? >> i'll be quite honest with you. we definitely have a great campaign going here and we are making some noise and doing what we have to do so business owners

can get money from the banks, okay, and that those who need help, these business people like myself can keep the business going. >> one more question. how did you get into trouble in the first place? what's the problem? >> i had a loan approved through a bank and a business loan. they told me i was approved and we were going to close. they kept dragging it out and dragging it out. after about four or five months of that, it got looking uglier as far as credit history for my company which we were doing about $9 million, $10 million a year. >> all right. your cell phone is breaking up. i guess if i felt like i wanted to draw attention to a problem that i had and i had the opportunity of a national audience, i would probably say the name of the bank that wouldn't give me the loan.

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we have some breaking news into us right now. white supreme sift has now been indicted in the killing of a museum guard. he walked into the holocaust museum in washington, d.c. june 10th and shot up the place and killed one of the police officers. he's just been indicted for the murder of police officer steven johns. the feds is looking for an eight-man aspiring terrorists in north carolina. investigators arrested seven men yesterday, including 39-year-old daniel patrick boyd and his two sons in their 20s. they're charged with conspiracy to murder, kidnap, maim and

injure people abroad. here you have a group with pretty lofty goals in plain sight. how does that happen? >> these guys definitely flew under the radar because they didn't seem to fit the ordinary profile of al qaeda types. that being said, if you look at the history of this case, a warrant that was filed. several years of surveillance. they came to the attention of law enforcement. they did. and i think rightfully so. and i think in the same way we'll find out that other similar homegrown cells had primarily because of the fact they've engaged in training exercises here in the united states, firearms, firearms training with other people and that tends to gain attention. >> when i was talking homegrown terrorists, i was talking mcvey or the unibomber. will they look more like the

9/11 hijackers? >> i think they're all that much different than mcvey. but in terms of their background, it's not really that much different. these guys were not al qaeda. these guys, as far as we know, were unsuccessful in their efforts to make contact with al qaeda. they were fringe extremists, lone wolf style extremists who aspire to become something more than they were. timothy mcveigh wasn't a genius. if you have the intent to kill, kill large numbers of people, and you that intent over several years, and you have access to weapons, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to causality of damage and kill a lot of people. i think that's what timothy mcveigh proved. these people, as much as there wasn't an immediate threat to the united states, they had firearms training, they were

talking about martyrdom. we don't have much of a choice at that point. and they got caught. >> and they got caught. >> thank you. thank you for watching today. i'm contessa brewer. tamron halls picks up things next. i'm going to say this. you probably want to stick around because the last couple days have been dynamite. the latest of a potential deal in the white house on health care and more on the professor gates controversy. the 911 caller speaking out for the first time. watch for it on msnbc. specially formulated to promote hairball control and healthy weight. friskies indoor wet cat food. feed the senses. as we get older, our bodies become... less able to absorb calcium. he recommended citracal. it's a different kind of calcium. calcium citrate. with vitamin d... for unsurpassed absorption, to nourish your bones.