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bank to free up consumers, but, come on, are they actually committing mortgage fraud? lawmakers are tossing out subpoenas left and right to find out. and when money is tight, that's when americans turn a licensed crime, but it was not money trouble that prompted this 7-year-old boy to steal a car. >> boy, was he running away from the law. the big story right now we are looking ahead to the beer summit, we are calling it, at the picnic table with barack obama. >> they are going to chew the fat and toss one back. the big news, they are bringing the lawyers. mike is at the white house. come on, mike. how real can a conversation be if professor gates is bringing his lawyer, if the cop is bringing his union rep, what are you really going to accomplish with the posse? >> reporter: oh, contessa, drink to me only with thine eyes. let me give you the breathless details as we know them right now. this is going to happen around 6:00. it will be a three shot as we

say in the tv news business. it will be in the east side in the back of the rose garden from the oval office. if you are familiar with seeing the many press conferences that are held there and events over the years. the press will get all of one minute to 90 seconds to witness this event. and it will be about 30 to 40 feet away. and we are told by robert gibbs not to expect any sound from this, so are pictures going to have to tell a thousand words about this story? yes, i have seen the reports that they are going to be bringing union reps and things of that nature. nothing that's been confirmed from this end. we do know that families are expected of the respective parties involved in this controversy. they will be given tours of the residence, that is a major portion of the white house behind me, blue room, red room, east room and the rest, but the white house seems to be playing this down somewhat. they don't want this to be a big extravaganza by any way, shape or form, melissa and contessa.

>> there's a new nbc wall street journal poll out that talks about what people think about this whole situation. what are you learning? >> reporter: well, the white house is, obviously, they would rather talk about something else and they want to get past this as quickly as possible. robert giks telling the press this morning not to expect an after action report. that's not washington what the meeting is going to be about. there's no formal agenda and they are not going to forbes everybody to talk about the soggy bottom of the state department for conflict resolution or anything of that sort. the biggest controversy we have seen so far is about the choice of the beer and the fact that the beer is chosen. we are understanding that none of the companies that make the beers are american-based. typically, a washington controversy. a massachusetts congressman says use sam adams, that's the boston brewery, now the largest american-made company. on it goes. no good deed goes unpunished. the teachable moment is expected

to last a relatively brief time and won't have any words associated with it. >> if i can turn your attention to health care, a second. i want to ask you about a poll out this morning. it said the public option runs by the government. basically, losing some favor right now. you know, it is 46%, they are slightly in favor of this versus the opposition, but i know -- the president's rate, favorable rating has suffered as a result as well. what does the white house think of all this? >> reporter: i think there's a great deal of certain and i think you saw the president in his trip to north carolina and virginia, bristol, virginia, raleigh, north carolina, try to suddenly change the emphasis on the message whereas before it was a conversation about out years and all the language people ridicule all the time as being beyond the understanding or most people would be interested in to begin with, it has now taken on a more personal emphasis on the part of the white house talking about pre-existing condition. putting real people before the

president to ask him questions, to address some of the things the white house considers to be scare tactics head-on about losing your relationship with the doctor and destroying your health care. none of which the president says is going to come remotely close to happening. >> thank you, mike. we'll get more on health care, but back to the brew. i have some questions. are you so eager to hear what they are? >> i have no doubt they are eager. >> if you are going to chill a bruce brewsky, why have your lawyer there? if you have an american brewer -- yeah. >> a very big deal. what's behind each guy's choice of beer? >> i talked to the ceo of sam adams earlier and he was pretty annoyed. he might have been drunk, but he was pretty annoyed there was not an american brew here. >> right. i get that. also, is this really an issue of cops using disorderly conduct charges to shut loud mouths because we have a story of a

lawyer arrested and slapped with that charge of a gay slur. we'll get into that ahead. the labor department says the number of people filing unemployment claims rose 25,000 last week, but the number of people filing continuing claims was roughly 100,000 less than expected and it was significantly lower than last week, leading some to believe the pace of unemployment is slowing. a big day on wall street today. we are very much in rally mode. along at that. a lot was the earnings report and in anticipation of the gdp number out tomorrow. up 154 points on the day. this is a really good day for the markets. >> we have been talking about if you look at the markets and consider this one time that the economy is recovering. maybe we are coming out of a recession. >> is it another sign the recession could come to an end. the fed says the economy is showing signs of stabilizing. joining us is the u.s. elect editor for the financial times. the fed report yesterday, the

beige book, it is saying things that were said at a recent meeting. they are saying things are stabilizing. what was your take on it? >> the book was beige in color and beige in tone. >> the market liked it, though. >> i think the market liked it and the best they could come up is saying things were falli fallingle fallinglessless as quickly. the personal view is this is a break before another downturn, sadly. i wish it wasn't the case. there's a lot of focus on house prices being flattish and retail sales in june being flattish and new house prices being up 10% the first time. >> that's funny you say that because we just had the conversation on tuesday about if things are decliningless quickly, if you are seeing -- by the way, that's what a bottom looks like. if it is negative, it has to go up at some point. >> but you are saying maybe this isn't the great big rosy

positive spin that some people -- >> i don't know if i ever said great big rosy positive spin. >> okay. i might be putting words in your mouth. >> okay, the important thing to look at is kohl consumption. they were cautious on consumption and employment. consumption is roughly 2/3 of the gdp. the consumer confidence numbers earlier this the week were negative for the second month in a row. you have to rally in the markets and you have people talking about consumer confidence numbers still falling. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but a lot of people are now questioning whether our economy should be based on consumption. that perhaps we need to turn the corner and use this opportunity to drive our economy in a different direction. do you see any of that happening? >> well, that's a very good point. the one thing that we look at on the entity is if you look at household deficit, the

percentage of disposable income, that's around 120%. it is at record levels. the average since 1974 was about 80. to get from 120 back down to 80 is worth roughly 1/3 of the entire gdp from the u.s. that has to normalize and that means a big credit boom that we have had, the big consumption bing has to finish. do you feel it has finished? i feel we have a long way to go. >> this was the sentiment we heard two or three weeks ago. it is for sure the case that in the past week we have seen a real shift. i mean, if you look at all the blogs today and all the websites, they are talking about the vk-shape recovery where people that aren't on the bandwagon are going to get lift behind. there's a palpable change in the data. we had a lot of housing data this week that seemed to show a bottom. why do you think, then, if it is not by releasing the huge change in sentiment this week and last week? >> well, people are void that

the markets are rallying around the world, but in japan, when japan went kaput, there was a six, seven-month rally after that and then it has been halved again over the years. you get cycles in a downturn, and we are in a period where people are so excited their 401(k)s look slightly higher than they were, all be it 30% lower. >> 30% on the nasdaq, that's not bad. >> the evaluations in the emerging markets are in cooky land. >> i like that. >> maybe you can explain that. >> that's a financial times term. >> thank you so much for coming. we appreciate it. come back with us. breaking news we are following right now. a judge ruled that one of the youngest detainees at guantanamo bay must go back to afghanistan. >> ellen helva said the man was

being held illegally. his attorney says he was 12 years old at the time, but the pentagon said he was around 17. attorney general eric holder has not decided whether to indictment the man which means he could be brought to the u.s. for a criminal trial. several protestors were arrested in iran at the scene of a memorial. riot police fired tear gas at people who were gathered at the grave of 27-year-old nieves colton. one of the protestors killed after the june presidential election. investigators found a baby alive after she was ripped from her murdered mom's womb. two people are being held on $2 million. darlene hayes was 8 months pregnant when she was killed this weekend. the friend got suspicious after seeing reports of the murdered

woman. police won't say whether the suspect actually cut open the mom, but she was found with a child and police say she knew the mother. >> i can't really get into the specifics of that because this investigation is still very much ongoing and we are only talking a couple days into the investigation, so there's still a lot of work to be had here. clearly, it was key that we found this infant. >> the authorities say the baby girl is in good condition at a new hampshire hospital and that an aunt may be taking custody. we'll talk live with one of the investigators about this case later on this hour. there's a custody deal that could have serious economic ramifications for michael jackson's mother and the biological mother of michael jackson's two older children. >> according to the agreement, katherine jackson will be the guardian for michael joseph prince jackson jr. and paris michael jackson. debbie rowe will have visitation right where is her biological children and reportedly no money was involved in getting to this arrangement. lee cow when has details from

burbank. what are you hearing, lee? >> reporter: the company agreement is just essentially what you laid out, that katherine jackson gets to keep the children, but debbie rowe, because she wants to build a meaningful relationship with her children now has a chance at visitation rights. they will be supervised by a child psychologist and the child psychologist will be jointly picked by katherine jackson and debbie rowe and jointly paid for as well. all of this was down essentially because debbie rowe said she really wanted to try to build a relationship with the children she has not seen in quite some time. attorneys for katherine jackson say that there was no legal contest here. it was simply a process of doing the right thing for the right reasons. attorneys for debbie rowe say the same thing. it has a dignified outcome. it still has to go before the superior court judge on monday. most think the judge will approve this rather quickly.

contessa? >> all right, lee. thank you. still ahead on the economy, her husband is going to spend the rest of his life in jail and now ruth madoff is facing further legal action. are we seeing relief on the foreclosure front. we'll find out which parts of the country are still feeling the pain. plus, who is behind the wheel? well, it is a child. a very young one. you are not going to believe why he was running from cops. you don't want to miss this story ahead. e air avel for a new generation. to ensure our forces are safer and stronger. to take the world we share to tomorroand beyond. announcer: around the globe, the people of boeing are working together-- to make a difference. that's why we're here.

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welcome back to "it's the economy." >> three financial firms are being investigated into for mortgage fraud. >> with us is jack gauge, associated editor at "forbes."

jack, it is kind of a surprising story because we have not seen it taken to this level. the wall street journal is reporting washington mutual, you know, these were all part of the financial crisis, obviously, and they have been issued subpoenas looking for evidence of mortgage fraud? is this surprising to you? >> yeah, it is a little surprising, but i thing it is bullish for the markets that we have moved on to try to rewrite history and what happened in the mortgage collapse. i mean, you look at two of the members of the senate subcommittee on investigations. the chairman carl levin and john hester both voted for the bailout of fannie and freddie. going after the investment bank is just tin evidentable. >> come on, if there are banks that are committing mortgage fraud when americans' money is at stake. don't you think that lawmakers absolutely have a pa rogtive to get to the bottom of it? >> i do, but it is an

investigation into what happened in the past. >> if we saw it in the past, then we don't need to follow-up? >> john edwards is talking about shady mortgage deals and then we find out he had ties to fortress. this is a game they have been playing for a long time. the fact they are moving on to this and hopefully spending less time on health care is for the better for american taxpayers. >> i understand you are saying tongue and cheek, but it is hard for me to understand how any of these things could be criminal. they are talking about having doubt about the soundness of the mortgage-backed securities they were putting out there. it was a gamble one way or the other. how does fraud really play into that? >> well, i think the fraud plays into it where you are extending credit on credit-worthy borrowers. senators harry and tester were peddling them to investment banks and the banks got in on

the action. this is really just the next shoe to drop in the investigation therein, but, again, i think that it is a good sign for markets that we are now moving on to try to recover what happened as opposed to focusing on further regulation. >> what do you think will come of this, if anything? >> i don't think anything will come of us. they are trying to compile a cya file, again, the fact that the focus is no longer on limiting the ability in the investment banks to make money, it is only on trying to rewrite history. >> i think that's not the case. i think there's a lot of focus on whether they are going to have new regulations limiting on -- >> it is different from fraud, though. that's different. >> that's fine, jack is saying he's glad the attention is all going to be about the investigation into what happened in the past instead of new regulations in the future. that's simply not the case. that's not what's happening. >> it is going to be a he said he said situation. it will be a show trial when they have the guys down in washington just as we have seen

in the past on speculation and oil markets and weak park markets, this is not geared towards making progress and tightening the noose. >> i'm not sure that's the case. i'm actually -- i think i'm angry, i think. i think i'm going to wait and see what the lawmakers find out when the big cats are in front of them and find out if there was mortgage fraud. find out if they were taking good honest american taxpayers, people trying to pay their bills and winging them off a cliff. that's what i hope the lawmakers get to the bottom of it. >> it seems like you have already rendered a decision there. >> given the wrongdoing that we have seen on a regular basis now, the wrongdoing that is just beginning to come to light, i think that i'm well within my view. >> why is it wrongdoing on the part of the people who lend the money, why is it not wrongdoing on the people who borrow the

money? >> there's a huge population of people who don't intend to pay off their mortgages. >> thank you, ladies. bernie madoff, another fat cat. this is something we agree on. now his wife is getting sued for $45 million. lawyers are liquidating her assets to repay victims and the trustee said ruth madoff had no reason to believe she was entitled to her life of splendor. ruth's attorney says she has been kicked out of her $7-million penthouse, forfeited all her assets and the lawsuit is totally unjustified. steve johnson is back on the job. tmz spotted him leaving headquarters for the first time since january. he took a leave of absence due to a liver transplant. this is the first time we have seen steve jobs back at work.

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welcome back. a woman cut a fetus out of a friend and told others she just had a baby. the woman was arrested in flim utah, new hampshire, and he had a baby with her. police determined the baby belonged to the murdered woman. the public information officer for worcester police department in massachusetts, what are you

learning about what went down with julie and the murdered woman? >> we believe that the two knew each other. they were acquaintances and she was one of the last few people seen with the victim on thursday. thnlgs thmt then we are backtracking with the woman or where she was heading to even before we discovered she was in procession of a baby. it was just through the standard procedure of investigating the woman who was there within the last few hours. then as the case came to life through the media, information became more readily available with regard to the infant. the people that the suspect was talking to began to get suspicious and started calling the police department and assisting us on additional information, which notably --

>> so the suspect, sergeant, does she have a criminal history? is there -- do you have any indication about what -- if she did this, if she was involved, what her possibly motivation was? >> the investigation is still ongoing. it is only a couple days old so i can't get into motives or anything like that right now that could jeopardize the case. >> what about the little girl? the little baby. >> there's a miracle in this story. she is doing fine and is in good condition with no injuries. she is at a medical facility right now. >> all right. sergeant hazelhurst, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. well, a porn star named stormy daniels was planning a political career for the louisiana senate seat. here's what she told me back in may. >> the less serious opponents take me the easier it is for me to sneak up on them.

also, maybe it will inspire somebody else who is extremely qualified and is the best person in the state to do the job. maybe it will encourage that person to step up and run, too. >> but she got arrested. here's her mug shot. tampa police arrested stormy over the weekend for beating up her husband. she was reportedly man about the way he did the laundry and didn't pay the bills. why does she run for senate? >> they wanted stormy daniels to run against david visitor who got caught up with a scandal with a madam in washington, d.c. he is planning to get re-elected to the senate, but stormy's problems are mounting. >> what do you think he did to the laundry, by the way? >> he didn't do it right. >> so the thing is stormy's political adviser also has issues so his car was blown up by somebody in downtown new orleans. police aren't commenting, but

this is stormy daniels' political adviser who says, i really wish that hadn't happened. i need the car. well, doesn't everybody. there you go. speaking of cars, driving a car isn't child's play, or is it? utah police were following what they thought was a reckless driver. actually, it probably was. when they pulled up next to the car, they saw a very small person driving. he kept going about 45 miles an hour even though he had to stretch down to reach the pedal and get up to see where he was going. the driver was 7. here's the story. along at him run. look, look, i'm in trouble. i'm in trouble. he allegedly stole his parents car. >> can we see that part again? >> you are kidding, right? he didn't want to go to church, so he took the parents' car and led police right into his own house. he is too young to charge, but they told the dad, you need to take away the keys.

>> this is going to be pretty funny for his rehearsal dinner. >> i think his sunday schoolteacher needs to sit him down and tell him what jesus thinks of people who steal. >> okay. we'll be right back. (announcer) before they give you the lowest price, some pharmacies make you work for it with memberships and fees. but not walmart. they have hundreds of generic prescriptions for just $4 for up to a 30-day supply and no gimmicks. save money. live better. walmart.

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first time since november, up 158 points. ge is one of the companies leading the way on the dow, up more than 8% on the day. really a blockbuster day for the markets. according to data out today, foreclosures continue to rock the real estate market. while the obama administration pressures banks and mortgage companies to modify troubled loans, some buyers are picking through the wreckage to find deals. diane in is here with these stories. let me ask you about the latest foreclosure numbers. where is it getting better? >> california, florida, nevada and parts of the midwest -- we are dee seeing this report out from realtytrac. we are seeing the number of houses falling in foreclosures. however, other cities we never thought were in any kind of trouble like portland, oregon,

boise, idaho, minneapolis/st. paul are really jumping up in foreclosure numbers due to job losses. >> i love this other story. i heard there are places you can take bus tours to look at foreclosed properties. pick through the wreckage, get a good deal. a lot of first-time homeowners are taking advantage of that. >> exactly. these bus tours are popping up in more places now that numbers are going up in places you wouldn't expect, like california. this was in maryland. >> can we see the video? >> yes, it is a foreclosure bus tour in d.c. it was run by a guy that i meaned bob lucida a real estate agent. he said, look, what's the best way to get my clients out to see the foreclosed property because he was getting more and more questions from people saying, look, where are the bargains and where can i get a december triszed home. he gives them a tour and gives them an education. he tells them what a short sell is and what a distressed sale is. what are the pitfalls of buying

and he stops at five or six foreclosed properties and they walk through. the potential investors are some of them. some of them are first-time home boyers, some have moved from another market and they are saying, wow, maybe i can get into a neighborhood that i was priced out of before if i go to a distressed home. they are feeling that it is maybe not so scary to buy a foreclosed property. >> diana, real quick. how can people find out if there's something like that near them? anything centralized? >> there are a ton of foreclosures. realtytrac is out there, you have foreclosures.com, villo, any one of them will list the foreclosed properties for you. if you want to find out about bus tours that are local, talk to a real estate agent. there are ads all over the place. and as markets that you may not expect heat up in the foreclosure markets, a lot of the real estaters will jump on the bus. we are following breaking

news. a judge ruled one of the youngest detainees must be sent back to afghanistan. the district judge said mohommad was being held illegally. what's her reasoning, pete? >> reporter: well, the government con seeds they no longer have the evidence necessary to hold him in guantanamo bay. that started the whole thing. he filed a motion and his lawyers said, you got the wrong guy, he didn't do it. there's no reason to hold him. now the government con seeds that the evidence against him, the essence of the case against him was his own confession coerced and unreliable. there's no basis to hold him. the only question is will he really now go home. the judge ordered him to be sent back to afghanistan where he has family waiting, but the government says in the meantime they are launching another investigation to see whether he could be charged in a regular civilian court and brought to the u.s. to stand trial. now, the clock ticking on the judge's order. there's a new federal law here

that says the government can't release anyone from guantanamo bay until congress is notified. that means the earliest he could be sent home is august 21st. so now we wait to see, will the government try to file charges before then. the judge said that would be a waste of time. >> thank you, pete. the white house is getting ready for the beer summit on the front lawn. he is hosting harvard professor gates. he hopes to start a positive dialogue about race. >> here's president obama working to calm this. an anonymous letter was sent to the boston globe calling professor gates a, quote, jungle money money key. his words. they took away his badge and gun. the mayor is calling this guy a

cancer. again, his words, it was a poor choice of words. it is all calm right down. the whole situation. >> poor choice could be an understatement. an investigation into why a d.c. cop arrested a gay lawyer. the lawyer says it is because out loud he said he hates police. >> the officer actually shoved him against a utility box and cuffed him. now the 33-year-old said he was talking about friends about the gates' case just before the arrest. a police spokesperson wouldn't comment saying an internal investigation is pending, but it has a lot of people talking about, was this about him being gay, was it about disrespecting the police officers? and if it was, does that indicate there's a bigger problem here with police thinking if someone peek speaks to you disrespectfully you slap them with a charge of disorderly conduct. >> right. and the flip side of the argument, of course, is that police are worried of protecting themselves in situation that is get heated. you can see both sides of the case, but this is another layer of it.

not just a race issue but a sexual orientation issue. >> absolutely. we'll stay on top of the conversation all morning long. according to a new custody agreement, katherine jackson gets to keep her grandkids and biological mom debbie rowe gets to build a meaningful relationship with the son and daughter she gave up years ago. >> roea few weeks ago had a conversation with the paparazzi letting them know if she was ready to take custody of her kids. her response, are you ready to get your butt kicked? >> the first website you are saying now, what are you reading about the custody agreement? >> well, from the start, debbie rowe has had little contact with the kids. she saw them occasionally here and there. she really wanted michael jackson to have the kids. in fact, he put his mother in the will as the executor to take care of the kids. it seemed from the beginning, why would she want the kids who

she has a little relationship with. catherine has a great relationship with her kids and the other grandchildren, so there are plenty of cousins for the kids to play with. right from the beginning, it was a matter of how much time and other things could they extend to debbie rowe. >> they say no money is involved. >> well, she has been paid in the past. she went to court another time to get more money. it is probably conceivable that she at this point doesn't need the money, but she wants some access. >> still, we don't know through all of this who the parent or the surrogate mother of the third child known as blanket is, right? >> people speculate it, but it hasn't been confirmed who the mom is. >> how do these websites work, by the way? >> you see the story and call all the sides. i know the celebrities themselves, their publicists, i know the people who they are working on the set with, i call everyone to get all the sides and after that i make a determination. >> she said earlier tmz is everywhere.

does that mean gossip cop is going to be everywhere, too? >> everywhere. thank you very much. authorities thought his wife did it, now they say she is innocent. police say an investigation now proves brazilian boxer arturo goddy committed suicide. apparently his wife strangled her with her purse strap. she could walk out of jail today. big hitters for the boston 2003 world series have turned up among the 100 players who tested positive for steroids in 2003. >> if it is true, it could put an asterisk next to the players' name and next to boston red sox' world series win. >> ramirez just got off suspension after admitting to taking a fertility drug used by bodybuilders also on steroids.

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well, it looks like the house of representatives is going along with the president's plan to kill the program for the f-22 fighter jet, but the lawmakers, we are just getting this in, are thumbing their nose at the president's plan to cut costs in other areas. they are going against some of the things that the president and the defense secretary said they could cut to save money. >> neighbor they think we need it. >> if the pentagon says or the secretary of defense says it is okay, we are going in a different way, devil's advocate, why would you do that? now to health care. after a compromise from the blue dogs, the commerce is looking to have a final vote tomorrow on the health care bill. let's bring in nbc congressional or correspondent kelly o'donnell. what were the concessions?

>> reporter: just going back a moment. the defense contracts are all over the country, so you have a lot of members with things being belt in their home state or district so they could be reluctant to go along with the president on those things. that's the back story on that. shifting back to health care, we are turning the page, what's happening here now is on the house side. they are still talking in that one important committee we have been watching and they are trying to make small changes to what was really an agreement that is kind of leaning towards those conservative blue dog democrats. they feel they got something out of it, bringing down the overall cost and also changing the limitations for small businesses who would have to provide insurance, so a business that has a higher payroll would be required, but smaller businesses would escape the rule in the way it looks right now. now, on the other side here in the senate, deadlines appear to be slipping. the finance committee we have been watching so closely with the six negotiators, three from

the republican party, three from the democratic party, they seem to be having some trouble right now. they have not been meeting as planned. the majority leader is saying that he's not so sure that they will get their work done from that committee before the break. so we are seeing deadlines slip, some deals made and some deals falling apart. >> kelly, i want to go back to the defense spending bill here. >> reporter: sure. >> first of all, the news is just coming in, but here's what the associated press says is making it through. it is making it through on the much criticized new presidential helicopter fleet. cargo jets that the president says aren't needed. and on the alternative engine for a new fighter, the pentagon, the pentagon says it is a waste of money. so i get that the congressmen go back to their home districts and people want jobs building the engines or planes, but at a time when we are shelling out so much money across the country, aren't they going to get even from their constituents at home questions about the waste? >> reporter: well, this is one of the great challenges that we

have seen here. on the senate side, they were able to get through, really, kind of in a remarkable way, to kill the f-22 fire jet because it was not considered something we need anymore. okay, we are back to the house side. they did that, but as you point out, they want to keep some other things. the dilemma is they are looking at jobs at home. they are concerned about that. but there is a real sense that congress does not always move with the pentagon or the president on these things and that there's a source in history to keep spending money on defense. some say it is time to make the changes, especially with the president saying they are not needed. there's a big veto threat, so the president may veto his own new helicopter. the president prepares to raise a glass -- i just don't like wasting money. i like it to be spent on things we need. we need a lot. >> i hate spending and taxes. i'm just saying. >> okay. yes, and my producer is saying

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hello, everybody. a controversy brewing over what's on tap tonight at the white house. not talking about the race issues here, which may or may not get addressed since there's no agenda at the backyard picnic table. >> with the union rep and lawyer. it doesn't sound friendly, but for president obama, henry louis gates is doing the red stripe and officer crowley is doing the blue moon. we'll bring in democratic congressman from massachusetts, richard neil. i understand that you have very specific ideas about what should be served in the backyard of the white house, correct?

>> i certainly do. >> what are they? >> i think using a domestic beer makes a lot of sense. we have some great small craft brewers in massachusetts whether they be in boston or in south deerfield. they all make very good beer. i think it is a reminder, again, that much of our domestic craft breweries are really doing very well, even though they are up against some rather large businesses now nationally based. >> what do you think that the president didn't yield to these calls. it was on the front page of the wall street journal. they only could talk about how there were not any domestic brews in the mix. i talked to the ceo of samuel adams earlier. he was put out none of his beers were in there. why do you think they didn't think about that more? >> well, part of my goal here was to inject a little humor into what was otherwise a tense situation. to remind people at really what's happened to domestic beer production, and that is that many of our small craft brewers

really produce very good products and that's not a putdown on what the national companies do because they do a great product as well. this is an opportunity to remind america just how good, still, domestic production is. >> congressman, what is your favorite beer? if you were invited to the meeting and had your choice of beer, what would it be? >> anything made near my congressional district. >> very smart on your part. thank you. >> thank you for your time today. >> i'm a wine cooler kind of gal myself. it is embarrassing, isn't it? >> with a last name like brewer, i have to drink beer. if i drink wine, people throw food at me. i'm contessa brewer. >> we'll have more on the beer summit ahead. >> i used to get a lot of mileage out of the brewery when i was in milwaukee. also, we are going to look at the jackson custody deal.

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