going to be happy until that unemployment rate goes done. the problem is that every agrees, that takes time. in order for industries and companies to start hiring again. that's what they're concerned about. >> with $787 billion at stake, maybe you could find a way to put people back to work. mike, thanks. just days until the senator's summer break and the pressure's on to wrap up the first step in health care reform. the senate finance committee is expected to vote today or tomorrow. but a new poll shows 72% of voters are concerned about health reform driving up the deficit. joining us now. senate majority leader, dick durbin. good to talk to you. what did you come away with from talking to the president in terms of addressing what seems

to be an overarching concern for americans? yes, they want health care reform, but not a deficit so deep it cripples their children and grandchildren. >> the president's already said we're not going to have health care reform we don't pay for. it's something the republican critics can't say about what they did. they left a deep deficit from the prips drug program. we know if we don't address health care reform, we're going to have deficits as far as the eye can see and we know the cost is beyond the reach of a lot of working families and small businesses. >> when you're sitting down in committee and talking about which of these plans to go forward, are there any plans that you see that you particularly like and think, you know what, we can make this work. >> there are element of many plans. there have been four different committees so far.

the senate finance committee is still debating it. when we get back in september, we'll sit down with the two senate bills, try to bring them together into something that will work, something that gives people something secure when it comes to the cost of health insurance. some stability when it comes to health insurance coverage so you can't be cut off, you can take your insurance with you when you change jobs. >> and senator durbin, we were talking a lot and talked with ron wyden this morning of oregon, he has a bipartisan plan he's pushing that creates this insurance exchange. employees pay those workers maybe what they would be paying toward health care so workers can choose their own insurance and if they pick a cheaper plan, then workers can pocket the profit. do you like this plan? >> listen, ron wyden and bob

bennett put in so much work on this. i really respect them for it. they take a different approach than most other plans. it's not employer-based health insurance. it's up to individuals to buy health insurance. i'm not going to dismiss that or any plan. i'm going to keep an open mind. we want to make sure if people have a plan today they like, they can keep it. if they want to change, they can do so. you've got to bring down the overall cost of the system. >> how do you do that if you're focussing on bringing down costs because let's face it. one reason people can't afford health insurance is because of the cost of health care. when you're in the finance committee and you're talking about how to give people health care coverage, what do you do to address the spiralling cost? >> you have to look at the whole picture. we spend twice as much on health care per person in america than

any other nation on earth. large part is being wasted. things that really aren't necessary. we've got to get to the bottom line, the most effective way to keep us healthy. prevention and wellness are not stressed in the current system, but they save money. there are ways for us to tighten the cost side of it and not sacrifice our basic, quality health care. >> when we were talking about individuals having responsibility for buying insurance, do you believe that if we're going to give everyone in america the right to quality coverage, it also comes with a responsibility? >> well, it does. i hope that we can encourage people, maybe even financially encourage people to do the right thing. some companies are having dramatic success in insent vising their employees to have

healthy lifestyles. the cost of insurance is going down at those companies, so it is a win-win situation if you have the right goals. i think that ought to be part of america's health care future. >> thank you. we're watching for a news briefing from al gainny county. a man opened fire on women working out in a dance class. killed three, wounded nine, then turned the gun on himself. the man is george sodini. he left an online diary detailed his fury at attractive women for rejecting him, and his family. he listed his date of death as august 4th. police say he shut out the lights in the class last night, started shooting. a bystander helped a wounded woman escape. >> she made it to the door and couldn't make it any further. i picked her up and took her

about 50 yards away from the fitness center. >> brian moore is in bridgeville, pennsylvania right now. what are investigators saying right now about that online diary? >> reporter: it is clear this was a very troubled man. he left behind a 4600-word manifesto talking about how he was a loaner in life and hadn't had a girlfriend since 1984. basically, a lot of excuses and a lot of explanation about his planning. apparently, nine months of planning went into this and he success he chickened out in january, that he came to a health club, armed, ready to go, all his equipment, but at the last minute, did not carry it off. very different last night. authorities say he walked in and shut off the lights. pulled two guns and opened fire.

more than 50 shots fired, according to some people. authorities are saying there's nothing that could have been done to stop him. that is one of the lingering questions here. with such a detailed blueprint, how didn't someone? >> i read through this. it is jaw-dropping. we will continue to watch for that news conference. pennsylvania governor, ed rendell, is an advocate for stronger gun laws. what's your take? >> i think it's much like reported. this was a guy who was very sick. had an incredibly deep hatred for woman. he was a systems analyst for a big, pittsburgh law firm. no criminal record. even i, and i believe we should have a ton of stricter, common

sense gun control legislation, but this individual wouldn't have been picked up through the normal system. if you have had a history of mental problems, you cannot buy a gun. they are killing machines. they're what the philadelphia police have because they fire very quickly. they have a hair trigger and they're incredibly deadly weapons. a guy with these type of problems shouldn't have been able to get those guns. unless we are going to hire people to search the internet and go on blogs and try to track down people with serious problems and somehow pass laws they can't buy guns, what are we going to do? >> it's interesting, because the argument that would be made on the other side by people who support gun rights is that if more of our citizens are law-abiding citizens, smart-thinking, quick-thinking

people were armed with guns, then maybe you'd prevent death ins a situation like this. >> that's ludicrous. who works out with a gun in the band of their workout clothes? nobody does. it's a ludicrous idea. why does europe has about, because there are not guns as available and they're not killing machines like these being bought by people with deep-seeded problems. look, we have to have common sense gun laws. it wouldn't have stopped it here. but what about a law that says you can only purchase one handgun a month. if you're a legitimate gun owner, you can buy 12 a year. but that stops the trafficker who buys 29 guns in one trip to the gun store and then sells them at midnight on streets in the city and makes two, three

times the cost of purchasing the gun. so many of our guns today come from these purchasers. we have to have common sense gun laws again. i don't think any tightening of gun laws would have stopped this, but we can't have crazy people, felons, young people, in possession of these killing machines. >> i agree with your intent and i think the common sense part of that makes sense. i appreciate your time. coming up, police will hold a briefing at their headquarters. we'll bring that to you live. police say a woman who drove the wrong way on a new york highway killed seven people, including herself, was high and drunk. police suspect she was drinking while she was driving. the only survivor is the woman's 5-year-old son.

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two u.s. journalists sentenced to hard labor in north korea are home. they reunited this morning in burbank, california. president clinton won their release yesterday after individuvisiting

yesterday with kim jong-il. >> when we walked through the doors, we saw standing before us, president bill clinton. we knew instantly in our hearts that the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end. >> george lewis was there when the women and former president walked off the plane. so george, what's next for the two journalists? >> reporter: well, we're outside the home of lisa ling and her husband. the whole family is inside getting reacquainted. what's next? they're not quite sure. they think that lisa ling and euna lee will have something more to say in the coming days, but they're kind of playing it by ear right now, letting the women decompress after this amazing experience. they thought they were headed any day now for a north korean labor camp.

they had been sentenced to 12 years of hard labor, then all of a sudden, bill clinton shows up and they're free. here's more of what lisa ling had to say at that airport hangar. >> the past 140 days has been the most difficult time of our lives. we are very grateful that we were granted amnesty by the government of north korea and we are so happy to be home. >> reporter: we talked a little bit to lisa ling, the sister of laura ling and asked did she think what her sister did was very smart and she wouldn't say yes or no about that. she said she thinks her sister will have more to say in the coming days about the circumstances of this case and about how they wound up in north korea. lisa says they didn't intend to go to north korea in the

beginning. >> george, thank you. let me bring in jonathan alter. what's your sense of how much was accomplished in terms of the statesm statesmanship, the negotiation that happened before bill clinton even headed to north korea? >> there was little movement in terms of diplomatic rels with north korea. things were moving in the opposite direction, insulting hillary clinton. but what this visit does besides freeing these two journalists, it gives us the firsthand account of what the north korean leader looks like, whether he

seemed healthy. remember, this has all been the subject of very, very distant intelligence analysis. we haven't had anybody there since the clinton administration, so at least bill clinton can now go back and his wife and others in the state department can debrief them and ask him, what was the guy like and it will be the closest we've come to him. in that sense, it takes us a couple of inches forward. >> is that the case in general, that if you run into a thorny situation, you have americans being held captive, you've got to try and negotiate their release, with a country who on one hand, you're trying to use the stick to make them behave, how helpful is it then to have a well-known emissary show up, do photo ops, negotiation, and have a happy outcome? >> i think it's helpful because it begins to open up another

channel. josh bolten, bush ambassador to the u.n., saying this is negotiating with terrorists, even though this is a nation state. the problem is their policy failed. it utterly failed. moved toward the development of six nuclear devices in the period when we had no contact. this administration has a different policy. a policy of engagement, even with really bad guys. and the question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing. so far, it's a good thing because the old policy wasn't working. >> what happens now if we see north korea again test a nuclear weapon or again test fire these long-range missiles that so far, have been no damage? what happens after former president bill clinton goes there and then we see that sort of behavior? >> well, it probably will happen because that's what they're

like, but at least you can maybe begin to build some channels to them so that you can do problem-solving around the edges of the main issues that divide our two countries. >> is the next -- >> isolation is not good for anybody. it's not good for north korea or the rest of the world. a little thaw -- bill clinton made no big concessions by showing up. >> yes or no. is bill clinton the next big hope every time there's a sticky situation? >> great question. probably. he might now have a new role. >> thank you. in iran, three americans continue to be held prison. the government of that country won't even confirm that. a spokesman refused to confirm the americans are being deta

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following the developments for us. what have you learned by the gunman's online blog? >> reporter: we learned from a neighbor that he lived up to his description as a loner. he had a 4600-word blog in which he detailed his problems in gets woman to be with him. that basically, he hadn't had a girlfriend since 1984 and he was angry. he had been planning a rampage like this for nine months. a time back in january, when he actually went to a club with guns, ready to shoot, but said he quote, chickened out. authorities are looking at all of this, but say that even though this was a very disturbing, details diatribe, a blueprint for a massacre, there

wasn't anything they could have done legally if they had found this and it appears that nobody did. nobody found this george sodini. he wasn't on anybody's radar screen until he walked into this club, turned out the lights and fired dozens of shots, killing three women and injurying nine. we're hoping to hear shortly from authorities here in bridgeville, pennsylvania, and more about the troubling life of this man. >> george sodini also named names in his online diary. the details about his family life and he lists his nephew and niece. it's almost as if he's left a blueprint for reporters to follow after he dies. has anybody come out and talked to reporters? >> reporter: i don't know that we've talked to anybody listed in there yet.

anybody other than the neighbor who knew this man and what made him tick, for lack of a better tomorrow. this is a very disturbed man who posted this online resume, his status, not married. his date of birth, and listed his date of death, yesterday. just ominous, terrible stuff. >> thank you. we'll keep our eye on that situation there in allegheny county. when we see authorities come to the podium, we'll take that live. a federal judge panel has ordered california to reduce its prison population by 40,000 to improve treatment of ailing inmates. california's prisons can house about 80,000, but hold almost double that currently. they're giving the state 45 days to come up with a plan to reduce the population in two years.

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patrolling off the east coast of the united states. russia says it's part of routine patrols and isn't that news worthy. it's not news worthy? >> reporter: you know, it sounds like a throwback to the cold war era when the russians did this routinely as did the u.s., but it's been since the end of the cold war that, oh, probably about 15 years now, since the russians have engaged in this kind of activity. earlier this week, the u.s., through various sensors, were able to detect these submarines patrolling up and down the east coast about 200 miles offshore. these are nuclear arms subs armed with conventional weapons that quite frankly, are attack

subs very similar. u.s. military officials, since this was not routine, it hasn't happened for a number of years, sat up and took notice, but militarily, it doesn't very much of an effect. they're trying to figure out exactly why all of a sudden, the russians are doing this. >> jim, keep us in the loop. thank you. democrats are now accusing the gop of being run by an angry mob of birthers, so the democrats have a new web ad out. has the republican party been abducted? and paula abdul announces she's leaving the hit show. gton♪ ♪ who knew the store would go and check my credit score ♪ ♪ now all they let me have is this dinosaur ♪ ♪ hello hello hello can anybody hear me? ♪ ♪ i know i know i know i shoulda gone to ♪

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democrats are fighting back against the so-called birther movement and attacking the gop. the new ad claims the gop's been

taken over by an angry mob. >> now, desperate republicans and their well-funded allies are organizing angry mobs just like during the election. their goal? destroy president obama and stop the change americans voted for in november. >> ron is a republican strategist and former special assistant to george bush. is there a sense among republicans that these birthers have hijacked any criticism that could be paid to democrats policy's and instead just makes the conservatives look like a bunch of crazies? >> no, i think these birthers speak for themselves. they don't represent the republican party. i look at this and you and i spoke about this last week. >> yeah. >> this is crazy. the fact these folks contend

barack obama wasn't born in the united states? john boehner says he believes the president was born here. these guys, there's been a lot out there and i think it's just trying to drum up the story of things the republicans are out of touch and crazy, but no basis and effect. >> we're showing the video of congressman cassel of maryland. he's in his town hall meeting and here's this woman holding up her birth certificate saying, i want my country back. is it your sense that those are organized protests because there's a lot of speculation right now that there might be some like conservative organization behind these people being willing to disrupt the town hall meetings and shout and well things that maybe aren't that respectful. >> i don't think that's the case. there's a genuine sense of anger and concern around the country, not of republicans or democrats, but american citizens.

i think these town hall meetings are very reflective of where people are coming from. they're saying to their representatives, are you sure this is the right course. i would like to believe this is not a fringe group on the right or left, but a concerned group of people. >> it's not that interesting to us in cable news if you have people showing up and asking logical, thoughtful, respectful questions, but challenging a leader who shows up to answer questions. it's much more interesting television to watch someone who's maybe, is a bit of a fringe fanatic. >> the theatre aspect. >> that being said, has the conservative movement been hijacked by those elements? >> not anywhere than by saying the earth liberation front or code pink that shows up at the

funerals of our brave men and women in uniform with blood on their hands. it gives us something to talk about, but the republican party is made up of people, not different groups. it's individual people who have come together to keep this country strong, not just people screaming and shouting. >> i'm getting a lot of flak for it for saying it, but my sense is that it took a lot of the shouting back and forth to get our constitution written. it could be that shouting disagreements do have their roots in democracy. ron? >> i agree with that. it's great for this country, the democracy. let's have exchange of ideas, but in a respectful manner. mark sanford is back to work. he returned after taking a

two-week vacation with his family. his spokesperson for the past four years has stepped down. he's starting his own communications firm. joel says he forgives the governor for telling him he was hiking the appalachain trail when in fact he was having an affair in argentina. have you seen these pictures of wladimir putin? i mean, what is he, the marlboro man? 57 years old, in good shape i guess for a 57-year-old guy, but you're on holiday in siberia. why would you stop and take the time to pose shirtless? analysts say the shots are meant to portray him as a big, tough guy. good luck with that. let's turn our attention now

to breaking news out of allegheny county, pennsylvania. about the gunman who walked into the gym last night in bridgeville, pennsylvania. went into a workout class, he shut out the lights, pulled out two guns and opened fire. three women were killed. he turned the gun on himself. nine were injured. now today, we're learning from the suspects gunman's online blog, there were a long list of gripes. for instance, george sodini said he had never been married, hadn't been intimate with a woman since he was 29 years old. as estimated, there were some 30 million women in the united states who would have rejected him. he also detailed in great length, gripes against his mother, brother and others in

his life. >> first of all, i want to get started today, as you know, a senseless tragedy came to our community last night. i want to start off by giving my sincere condolences to the families of the victims and let the families know that the prayers of everyone in allegheny county and southwestern pennsylvania are with them. i'm also going to ask everybody to keep everyone affected by these shootings in their prayers over the next couple of days, weeks and months. i also want to recognize a few people that are with us here today and you're going to hear from a few of them and then we'll open for for questions. you heard from him last night and i want to thank charlie for doing a great job. charlie moffatt is with me up

here today. pat valentine, with the department of human services, deputy director. gary, the township manager. he's going to say a few words before we open it up. chief tom devin is with us. i want to thank you for being with us today. i know these are tough times for you. a few things i want to go over. the county police, they are continuing to investigate this tragedy and provide support and assistance to collier township. the medical examiner has identified the deceased is conducting autopsies. the department of human service is providing counciling to the victims and their families. the county has arranged for

counseling by anyone affected by this tragedy. there is walk-in counseling at 437 railroad street in bridgeville. the number, 412-221-3302. and that address is 437 railroad street in bridgeville. also, a resolve crisis network is providing counseling, 1-888-796-8226. anyone who has directly witnessed the shooting can contact the center for victim's of violent crime 24 hours a day, 412-392-8582. there will also be a press

release that will give the information from all of the departments within the department of human services and the services we are providing. the contact information is on that piece of paper and anyone affected by the shooting in that area, there are several different agencies standing by to help you. i've asked charlie moffatt to come forward and give the most current details of what we know from what's happened and where the situation is today. we are going to ask the township manager to say a few words on behalf of the local elected officials, then open it up for any questions you have. at this point, i'm going to ask charlie moffatt to maybe talk about the most resent information. >> good afternoon. i'm sure you have the details we

went over last night at the two news conferences. anybody here that don't have it from the beginning or you want me to go back through the beginning? the other additional information we can tell you at this time, there was four handguns he had on his person when the shooting went down. as far as we can determine at this point, he used two of the guns. excuse me, three. he used two 9-millimeter semiautomatic. we believe it was the revolver he used to take his life. he has been positively identified as george sodini. from every indication we've had and from the investigation thus far indicates to us, shows us that mr. sodini had this intent to do this harm to these individuals with, he had no relationship with anybody in that club that we know of.

he went in the club and just opened up firing and ultimately shot 12 people. we have a listing of all the victims and on the same list has him listed as the act, mr. sodini. we'll provide that list of names to you rather than me standing up here and reading it off. it gives you the name of the victim, the three that are deceased and others injured by gun shot wounds. we just got off the phone with mercy hospital. there were several taken to mercy. one has been released. there are three others. their condition has been upgraded to serious. hopefully there's no one else we're aware of with life-threatening wounds. there was a note found on mr. sodini when we processed the scene. i can give you some of the

information that was on it. he basically says that he's -- he complains he's never spent a weekend with a girl. he never lived with the women. he's maybe had sex a few times in his life and goes on like this and according to note, the second note that we discovered, he had practice runs at the l.a. fitness center. he had been there before. from the investigation, it showed that yesterday he was there three times starting at 11:40 something in the morning. he'd go out and come back about 7:00. goes out, then back at 7:56. the first call that's dispatched was at 8:16 p.m. last night. so from the time he come in until the time he committed the murders was a matter of minutes and started shooting at people in the same room he was in.

he shuts off the life. he says in his, one of his notes that we recover from his house, that he had planned on shutting off the lights. somebody had showed him how to shut off the lights, although he was a member of the l.a. fitness. in our opinion, there's nobody in the that club that could have did anything to prevent sodini from committing this horrendous act. we have indications now from processing the scene, he shot at least 36 times. he had clips of am maix that held 30 runs. when the assault rifle ban was lifted, they became legal to

have. he had two extra clips in his bag. that's about it. >> i want to ask gary, the collier measure said -- then we'll get to questions. >> it's amazing, never fails, these very difficult times bring out the best in people. i want to start out by thanking chief who contacting me upon the situation. the way we responded as well as the neighboring communities, it was like a lightening flash. everybody was there to help. i asked what could i do to help. he said if you'd man the phones, i'd appreciate it. there were call frs everywhere. our commissioner showed up. they asked what they could do. they wanted to be very helpful.

today, they're involved right now in the community, talking to people and wanted me to extend the invitation to collier residents. anyone who may have a problem, who wants to discuss this further before going to professional help, if they want to stop by the community building, i'd be happy to talk and give the information that i have and happy to confirm. again, as tragic as it was, it was handled very, very well and i couldn't be more appreciative for that. >> question. what's the status as far as -- firearms he had -- >> he did. >> in terms of the blogs, in reviewing those, this was a guy who had this idea maybe a year ago, but his rage built up to where it exploded last night. >> he's had the hatred in him.

he blames his mother. we're in a process now, we turned the information over to our computer crimes task force, which is an inner agency task force and they're in the process of looking at that blog to see if we can come up with anybody who may have saw these readings and if they did, why did they not contact somebody. pardon me? >> as a law enforcement official, what was happening with this guy over a course of the year? >> that would have to be a mental health expert to have to say that. he just had a lot of hatred in him and there was nobody going to stop him. >> why do you think, in your opinion, he turned out the lights? >> i think it might have been not to be seen, the one wall is all mirrored and maybe he thought that he could do this without looking in the mirror. it's hard to say what's in

somebody's mind when they commit these acts. for him to go in there and pull the guns and to have that many on him, but they were registered. three have been traced to him so far. the other gun was recovered at the medical examiner's office and is in the process of being traced as we speak. two 9-millimeters, a 45 caliber revolver. one was in his pocket. the other he used, dropped it at the scene. the other he used to spray some of the people and then t the .45-caliber, he committed suicide. >> employee maybe have inadd turned out the lights. you're certain he turned out the lights?

>> yes. >> was there any indication of a fight -- >> i have -- we'll check the tapes to make sure there was nothing on there. >> you mentioned these 911 calls. the first just after 8:00. >> the first was dispatched at 8:16. we're in the process of pulling the tapes now to review when they came in. >> how many do you think they are? >> 911 calls? >> yeah, like 40 women in the room, some have cell phones. how many of these 911 calls came in and were they all from cell phones, from some of the workers? >> some of the workers. in our interviews last night, you have to understand, i'm sure you know, the women in the aerobics class, they come in, throw their keys in the corner along with their phone. so they didn't have them. i assume most of them wanted to

get out of there and they ran out. >> how long was he in l.a. fitness before this started? >> he went in three times. first at 11-something in the morning. then we're assuming he had to leave. then back in at 7:40. then checks back in at 7:56. we're thinking between 7:40 and 7:56, he makes this call on his phone. we're assuming he went outside to make that call then went back in. then class started at 8:00, he went in, put his bag down and fired the weapon. >> tell us about that 7:45 phone call. >> we're still in the process of contacting that person. >> when -- aware of the blog

website postings? >> we became aware of it last night after the incident. >> do you feel like there is anyone out there who may have any kind of kulpaablety? >> i think that if anyone knew of it, they would certainly have a moral and ethical obligation -- >> we are following breaking news where we're getting an update on the awful shooting that took place in allegheny county, pennsylvania, around 8:00 eastern time. i'm tamron hall. >> i'm david schuster. such fascinating news, where they're saying he made a phone call just before the shooting and that raises the possibility that there may have been some people who knew how disturbed this man was. >> a lot of details, including, we just learned this man, the suspect, the gunman, has been identified as george sodini. he apparently went inside of

that fitness center, first at 11:00 a.m. local time. then back at 7:40, then returned 16 minutes later and that is when he started to open fire. we're talk about new details on the man police say planned and carried out the murders of innocent women inside that gym. we're learning that he blogged about his thirst, his desire to kill. in the town of bridgeville, pennsylvania, you can imagine, in disbelief. three killed and nine injured before he took his own life. more than 30 people were in the class before he turned out the lights and opened fire. he was carrying four guns and may have used three. the man reportedly was a member and had an i.d. to get in, which would explain his being able to go in three