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new developments right now on the hudson river -- divers have been busy all morning long hauling evidence out of the water and we're learning more about the nine victims of that mid-air collision. we are live with the investigation. plus -- that is michael jackson's best friend, mark lester dropping a bombshell. could he be the real father of paris jackson? and a hospital tells a mom and dad their newborn is dead but later the parents find that baby alive. that wasn't the hospital's only mistake. we'll explain all that. quite a story. good sunday morning, i'm alex witt. 11:00 a.m. on the east coast, 8:00 a.m. out west. the latest now on the hudson mid-air collision. new video in just a short time ago. a fifth body was pulled from the hudson river. that's the second body recovered today. we'll go to nbc's jeff rossen live in hoboken, new jersey.

jeff, i understand you are learning a bit more about the plane and what it was exactly doing in the moments before the crash. right? >> reporter: yeah, faa sources now tell nbc news that that plane was in a climbing turn at the moment of impact. again, authorities said yesterday that they believe it's the plane that hit the chopper. really this is beginning to come together and that's happening because the ntsb investigators, teams on the ground now interviewing several witnesses. they're getting a good look at the debris. they can pretty much know exactly where the cut point was, what that means piecing this together. we understand the plane may have been turning when this happened. we're also learning the name of one of the people inside the plane, the pilot. jeremy clark. and so really this is beginning to come together now as investigators are in the water blocking out the search area. the problem with the hudson river we're told is that it is very choppy, it is a very strong current and 2/30 feet deep. visibility down there, it is

gorgeous out here today but below the water it is only two to three feet. they have to go in there and find these bodies, sadly, that are trapped inside the wreckage, inside the metal. it is really a dangerous situation for divers as well. but they're beginning to pull more of the debris and bodies out today. >> what a tragic scene you're working there. thank you, nbc's jeff rossen. clem carfaro is the owner of key air helicopters. he was a river pilot and worked doing tours of new york for almost two years. you were a friend of the pilot, jeremy clark, as having been just identified by liberty tours. tell me what kind of pilot he was? all you guys out there, you're a pretty close group. >> yeah. there is a certain camaraderie against the pilots. jeremy was a great pilot, great guy. as i said before, he'd be the first one to point out traffic to fellow pilots, whether helicopter pilots or airplane pilots. >> in pointing out traffic is done how? >> over the radio.

we're in constant communication to each other while the air traffic is on the same frequency. it's something else. you pick points on the river, everybody's familiar with and you point out where you are on the river. >> you make point "everybody." that being the group that is the professional tour helicopter pilots. what about small plane pilots coming in to this visual airspace? it is not run by the faa in terms of getting control tower -- it is not under air traffic control. there are charts, sectional charts. the problem is the helicopters use a helicopter en route chart. the airplanes don't know about -- many of the airplane operators may not know about this chart or if it exists or the use of it which clearly depicts the routing and checkpoints. >> ntsb is saying that this plane was making some sort of a

turn and climbing at about 1,100 feet, which having crossed 1,100 feet the plane would have gone into a different kind of airspace. right in then faa would be joining in this conversation? >> it is up to the pilot to switch to the frequency to enter the airspace. if he was climbing to 1,100 feet or above into that airspace, he would be up on frequency with the appropriate authority. >> but speaking as a pilot, if you are climbing and you're at that altitude making a turn while climbing, presumably you're trying to get out of that space. right? you're making a shift change, a directional change. how difficult as a pilot is it to see what's going on around you while climbing? are you focused looking up? do you look to the side? >> well, before that you know you're going to turn. you want to stay in front of the aircraft. you want to make sure that you're aware of it. of your situational awareness prior to doing such acts of turning, clearing turns, making

sure that there is no traffic coming down river. >> but this is all done just visually. you're not getting direction from anybody in theory. no one is required, let's say, to give you this kind of direction. >> no. but how it works is, prior to making the turn, the pilot would make an announcement, "i'm at this location, i'm turning south." just to alert any other traffic. >> as a chopper pilot, are there blind spots? as reported, they believe that the pilot was coming from behind. there was a radio call from one of the liberty tours operators, a helicopter pilot who radioed to his colleague, jeremy clark, and said, "look, there's a fixed wing behind. you". >> that's right. >> that would be normal protocol. does that mean jeremy couldn't see that pilot coming from behind? >> most aircraft you don't have sight to the back of the aircraft, helicopter. certainly you cannot look behind you just the fuselage and all that. >> any recommendations going

forward on how to prevent this from happening? >> yeah. i think the fixed wing -- it is very important that the fixed-wing traffic know the rules of the road, perhaps take an online course before they are allowed to navigate through this area or the easiest, simplest solution to keep them up above in air traffic control. >> there would be a distinguishing line. >> fixed wing, and choppers. >> okay. thank you for your time. new this morning, the senate minority leader weighing in on the outburst at health care town ha hall meetings across the country. >> we ought to focus on the issue. to demonize citizens who are energetic about this strikes me as demonstrating a kind of weakness in your position. in other words, you want to change the subject.

former dnc chairman howard dean is sounding off this morning. >> the system we have now is broken. we need to fix it. i think giving the american people some choices about how to fix it makes sense. >> nbc's mike viqueira live at the white house for us this morning. good morning. we heard senator mcconnell essentially accusing some democrats of trying to stop -- or change the topic by speaking out against these town hall protestors. are his comments reflective of what other republicans are saying? >> the argument here is, is this grassroots anger and anxiety over the president and democratic health care plans now moving through congress or is this so-called astroturf, something that's artificial us that is trumped up by extremist groups to try to simply obstruct these meetings and obstruct any march toward meaningful health care reform. that's the argument.

senator mccobble says democrats are losing the argument so they're putting up a straw man saying these fringe elements of manipulating the emotions of these people. no question there is emotion. pictures show that. these raucous town hall protests continue into the weekend. the problem that republicans have is that there are some blatantly false claims out there are are partly responsible for inspiring folks and scaring folks. in other words, the most notable one that's been talked about all week is that on page 425 of the house bill it somehow provides for euthanasia for older americans. if you look at page 425 it obviously does nothing of the sort. that's not to say that there is not a lot of genuine and heartfelt anxiety out there when you talk about changing something as fundamental as the health care system, alex. >> mike viqueira, thank you. officials say a strong earthquake has shaken tokyo, japan and surrounding areas.

it was a preliminary magnitude of 6.9. the u.s. geological survey called it 7.1. it was southwest of tokyo. japanese officials say there is no danger of tsunami. also from asia, a typhoon batters taiwan and china. look at these pictures. they came to us from taiwanese television which broadcasts images of the hotel building collapsing. officials say they believe the hotel was evacuated before it collapsed. the typhoon moved from taiwan on to the mainland where nearly 1 million people had to be evacuated to higher ground and at least two people have been killed. rumors have been swirling for years that michael jackson is not his kids' biological father. now jackson's best friend is making a stunning revelation about daughter paris. live in london next with that. lawmakers scramble to find more money for the cash for clunkers program when cash ran low. now there is a new problem. coming up on msnbc sunday. at 155 miles per hour, andy roddick

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what should have been morning turns into a miracle in paraguay. a father was preparing to bury what he thought was his dead baby girl, but then he heard crying from the cardboard box that baby was in, then when he hoped it he discovered the baby not only was alive, but was also a boy. the father rushed that baby back to the hospital. the same one that pronounced the three months premature infant dead. baby is in intensive care but weighs less than 18 ounces. what a story there. a british man says he might be the biological father of one of michael jackson's kids. former child star mark lester tells the british tabloid "news of the world" that he could be the father of jackson's daughter paris. lester is jackson's friend and godfather to the singer's three

children. >> the one that looks the most like me is paris. looking at pictures of harriett and paris, there is a very strong resemblance between the two of them. my girls all have very stim lar features. >> nbc's tom aspell's in london with more. it is quite the claim. why is he doing it now, tom? >> well, alex, mark lester's in touch with michael jackson's lawyers because he says he wants to stay in contact with jackson's children who are, as you say, lester's god children. lester says paris jackson who is 11 years old bears a remarkably close resemblance to his own daughter harriett. he says he donated sperm to michael jackson years ago because the pop singer wanted o start a family but was afraid to have sex with a woman. paris is the second of jackson's three children. mark lester says he gave three sperm samples to a london clinic

in 1996 and that the sperm was used to produce paris jackson. >> what about michael jackson's friends? are they buying into this story? are they saying anything speaking out? >> well, the israeli illusionist yuri geller who's also known to have been a close friend of michael jackson apparently says the story is probably true. but i guess we won't really know until there is some test carried out to prove a biological link with mark lester. >> he says he's willing to do that. right? we heard him. >> he says he's ready to take any kind of test. i guess it is up to michael jackson's lawyers to see where they want to take it next. >> okay, tom aspell, thank you so much. health care reform heating up this weekend around the country.

this is the scene in lee summit, missouri, yesterday. a monthly meeting at a coffee shop with a congressman drew an unusually large crowd which spilled out on to the streets. groups of supporters an opponents showed up to express their position on president obama's health care plan. joining me live now, new york bureau chief for "the washington post." good morning. if you look at what's going on, it is very hard to imagine anything substantive is being accomplished here. volume is so loud, accusations flying back and forth. it is hard to get control of the crowd. whose responsibility is it to turn the volume down here? >> it would be the people who are calling the folks out here because these aren't ordinary people showing up just because they're interested. most of them aren't. these are people who are responding to social networking sites, e-mails from -- >> most of them are or aren't? >> most of them aren't ordinary constituents. most of these people are activists. most people don't go to town hall meetings.

these people are on the e-mail list for conservative groups and unions now, even progressive groups are saying we're getting outshouted here. we better get our troops out. this is a serious debate we shall be having and it is getting drowned out in two sides trying to shout out the most and nobody's being heard. >> is there a danger though of the white house overlooking some people who do you believe may be there with legitimate concerns even if they're conservative saying, look, we have issues with this and we're trying to make our point here and we're trying to ask questions that we need to have answers. is the white house paying attention to them? >> i think they should pay a little bit of attention to the fact that these people are willing to go out and do this kind of disruption. the problem is that these town hall meetings we're seeing disruption. actual tactic lists on some of these websites was don't let the congressman speak. start shouting the minute he speaks. it is not that they're trying to get information about this. they're going to try to disrupt the meeting and create the

appearance of ground -- widespread op suggestion on the ground to any kind of change in health care. that's the danger here, taking this thing too seriously as a real opposition. >> is there way to generate light on this topic instead of the heat that's out there? >> the huge problem here right now is that -- this is why some of this you can tell was orchestrated. they are protesting against the obama health care plan. there is no obama health care plan. there's four different bills. three in the house, one in the senate. one that hasn't even come out of the senate finance. there will be five. bm hasn't even let us know where he stands on these issues. >> we don't know exactly how this is going to come out. >> that's why you can tell some of this protest is orchestrated because they're protesting something that doesn't existing with an obama health care plan. like the t.e.a. parties that

were protesting against higher tacks. the stimulus actually cut taxes. they're protesting and obama plan that doesn't yet xist. officially so. it's smoke and mirrors, street theater right now in august. it is going to be a hot august. >> that's it. keith richburg with the "washington post," thank you. tell pears flare at more town halls this weekend. we'll talk to to congress machine about what's been happening. twitter's crash this week left millions of tweeters helpless. the threat was directed at one person but it ended up shutting down the entire site. what's done to solve that from happening again. c nically prove. olay professional pro-x wrinkle protocol is as effective as the leading wrinkle prescription brand at reducing the look of wrinkles. that's because olay has teamed with a highly specialized group of dermatologists and created a wrinkle protocol that gives you the results

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it looks like the cash for clunkers program may be a bit too successful because many dealers say they're running out of cars. the small fuel efficient models are flying off the lots. some dealerships have to close this weekend because they ran

out of the clunker-eligible vehicles. some used car dealers say this program is starting to drive away their business. last week the program got an infusion of $2 billion. a cyber's ta attack aimed a blogger shut down twitter for hours on thursday. others like facebook and live journal were affected to a lesser degree. could it happen again and what it being done to prevent another attack? caroline mccarthy joins me. do we know how this snapped. >> we do know how it happened. something called a distributed denial of service attack which is basically when you have a hacker who wants to bring down a site server and does so by overwhelming it with data. usually that's accomplished by installing a virus on thousands of unwitting pcs, that turns tell into zombies. when that hacker wants to set them into action, those computers can flood the website servers with data.

>> we know that happened. do we know where that happened? the person who was targeted was a professor in georgia. >> an economics professor in georgia was the target of the attacks on thursday. we don't know where the attacks were coming from. there have been ongoing cyber skirmishes between activists on both the russian and georgian sides of that political debate. >> but it doesn't mean that somebody had to be sitting in russia. somebody could be sitting in des moines and doing that. >> it could have been anywhere in the world. it is extremely difficult to track down, security experts say. >> how can you prevent it from happening again? >> you can -- the interesting thing is that this targeted a bunch of different web servers. it targeted facebook, live journal, google, some services run by google and it targeted twitter. twitter was the only one that was completely incapacitated. even though twitter is all over the media these days, it is a start-up in san francisco with no revenues and about 55

employees. it is a small company. it is extremely vul fleshl. it has to take itself very seriously taken on the extremely prominent role it's taken on in major international events. >> it also hit facebook. >> it did. there were certain features like messaging and log-in servers that were down for quite some time. facebook is a much bigger company than twitter so it goes to show this sort of thing can really hit any kind of site on the web. we follow new developments surrounding the mid-air crash over the hudson river in new york city. divers have found more evidence and there are new safety concerns this morning. we'll talk to an aviation expert coming up. pollen.

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obama's reform plan. in des moines, iowa senator tom harkin was interrupted several times yesterday by people in the crowd. some in the audience even began shouting at one another. >> we ain't going to do anything. >> why don't you go home. >> how dare you! how dare you! how dare you! >> joining me live from seattle, republican congressman dave reichert of washington. he sits on the ways and means committee. >> good morning. >> let's get an assessment of the anger at these town halls. how much is legitimate and how much do you think is manufactured by special interest groups looking to kill the bill? >> well, i think it's legitimate. i have been out talking to my constituents across my district and what i'm hearing is that this isn't really an effort by people to come to town halls to learn more. however, i think some people might be doing that.

it really is these -- the people across the country have read the bill or read portions of the bill and are upset with those portions of the bill and see too much government control. they want their voices heard. i really see it as a grassroots movement, here especially in our neck of the woods up in the northwest. >> do you agree that there should be some type of health care reform? >> oh, absolutely. i think that everyone across the country recognizes that there is some need for reform. the issue is there are two major issues. one is the cost and the other is we need to work to ensure those are uninsured or under insured. from have been several polls as you know, that 75% or 80% of americans are happy with their health care. the part that they're not happy with of course is the cost. if we can focus on that i think

we can make great progress. the issue is for most people that i'm hearing from is this control that they say the government will have over their choices made between their doctor and themselves. >> from what you've learned from your constituents overall, congressman reichert, do you believe that they want health care reform but perhaps don't know enough what have is in the bill and that is driving the fear and concern? >> no. i think it's the other way around. i think they really are aware of -- i think the electorate today is very astute, very aware of what's in this bill. for example, they know that if you're 1 of 18 million americans who belong to, and have, and individual health care plan, after 2013 there will be no new enrollees added to that insurance plan which they know will cause costs to rise. they also know that under the language in the bill that you can't add any new benefits to that plan. so eventually your costs are going to rise to the point where

you're going to be forced in to this government exchange. they see that as an erosion of their freedom. >> sir, when you say there has to be a lawmaker between the patient and the doctor in the examining room, what do you mean by that? not physically there's a legislator there. what do you mean by that? >> i done think i said that, but others may have said that. i think that it's a descriptive phrase i think that some members in congress are using. certainly there's not going to be a person from the government standing there in the examination room. what they see is a buffer zone, i guess, between them, their doctor and it's the government. and for example, the commissioner described in the bill -- and his or her powers are massive powers. the commissioner can decide what benefits are in this government exchange. the commissioner can decide what

insurance entities are included in this exchange. they also have control of insurance companies that might try to operate outside the government exchange. there's a further erosion of freedom as people are seeing this. if this commissioner's given that sort of power and your individual plan forces you by its restrictions put on by the government to move in to an exchange, a government-run exchange, people see their freedoms being eroded rather quickly. >> representative reichert, i'm out of town but quickly, is there a part of this health care proposal that you do like? >> well, i think the most important part of this proposal is that it is created a debate. i'm happy to have this august as a time that we can come back. i was really concerned that we wouldn't have time to really sit down with our constituents. so it's created a debate. it's caused the opportunity for us to have further discussion on what really needs to take place. >> from seattle, republican congressman dave reichert, thank you very much for your time.

>> you're welcome. we will get some perspective from the other side of the aisle as well when i talk to democratic congressman lloyd dogget from texas. police divers pulled another body from the hudson river just a little while ago. nine are presumed dead, only five bodies have yet to be recovered. divers pulled more wreckage from the water today as they try to piece together what happened that caused a tour helicopter and single engine plane to collide on a bright, sunny summer day. joining me now, aviation security consultant george novak formerly of the faa. another good morning to you, george. >> good morning. >> can you put into perspective for folks who aren't pilots and aren't familiar with flying the visual limitations presented by a helicopter, a small plane in this airspace? because you have to rely

exclusively in this area on what you see. >> that's correct. it's a kind of visual flight rule corridor. vfr. they say "see and avoid." you look for other aircraft and you avoid them. as has been printed out on msnbc this morning, there is a radio frequency that the helicopter pilots have been using. they know their checkpoints. they monitor that frequency. but it's not so with the fixed-wing planes and small general aviation aircraft. that may have been a contributing factor to this accident. >> i want to talk about where this mid-air collision took place. hudson river, very narrow. this morning the ntsb official on the scene was asked if the pilots just didn't see each other and how they'll find out if that was the case. we don't have the sound bite? okay. i ask you, do you think on a clear day like we had yesterday, an absolutely beautiful day, is it possible the pilots just did not see each other? is there the presence of blind spots that would allow for not

seeing a plane come from behind, not being able to see a helicopter in front of you? >> it's very possible, alex. again, we have to wait for findings from the ntsb. they have an incredible amount of evidence in this case, photographs and film and video apparently taken by tourists and others on the shore. i think they'll be able to piece this together much more quickly than they would if they were just dealing to clopost-sent evidence from the debris of the aircraft. i think we're going to have to wait and find out. but it appears there was no visual contact except from the shore and it was too late to get the word to the helicopter pilot to get out of the way. >> what about the fact that the reports are this plane may have been climbing, it was approaching that altitude of 1,100 feet, at which point the faa would have been in the control of them. it was making a turn. given that scenario and what you know of things, is that a problem? is it the climbing, the turning? is the focus not on what's

around you so much or -- that you're looking upward? >> well, no, again, it depends on the overenteration of the aircraft and which direction. again, any time you are making a turn, as when you're making a turn with a car, there are spots which are blind to you. in an aircraft there is a wing which can get in your way. there are posts at the windshield area. so there are blind spots in every aircraft as there are on every vehicle. it is very possible that was a contributing factor again in the accident but we will stree waha wait and find out. >> thank you. we'll have a representative from the other side of the aisle, coming up, a democratic congressman talking about the health care debate. stay with us on msnbc sunday. undefeated professional boxer floyd "money" mayweather has the fastest hands boxing has ever seen. so i've come to this ring to see who's faster... on the internet. i'll be using the 3g at&t laptopconnect card. he won't.

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it is looking like a hot summer vacation for democratic members of congress. many are facing critics of

health care reform. at town hall meetings during this august recess, some of the town halls are erupting into shouting matches as the health care debate grows more heated. joining me live from austin, democratic congressman lloyd dogget of texas. he sits on the house budget committee and ways an means. good morning, sir. thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> i'm curious what you think of when you see all this anger at the town halls. do you think some of it must be real? it can't all be manufactured by special interest groups. if not, how much does that concern you? >> well, there are clearly people who have been stirred up. but they've been stirred up with great care an organizational ability. the first one of these i think i had saturday a week ago, not only was stirred up but it was all filmed. it was designed and filmed by the local republican party. they've turned it into youtube videos to create the impression that they can stampede members off the stage. we just need to stand firm. i've had two very good meetings since then and actually what

they've done is encourage me to do more town hall meetings so more people can express their opinion pro and con. >> congressman doggett, were there shouting matches at the good meetings? how did you get control of the situation or were there not too many opponents there in the audience? >> i think one of the things yesterday at the event i had that drew 200, 300 people is that twats a littit was clear s rup disruption would not be committed. my goal was to make sure there was an even-handed approach. i gave the opponents the same amount of time as those who support my view that health insurance reform is essential. there was fair play. i think maybe the republican cameras weren't rolling and so we didn't have as much performance, art and theater as we did a week ago. >> sounds like a template for

those going forward. sir, overall though do you think the white house has done a good enough job of explaining its health care reform plan, the points that it wants to get across? i understand there are different bills out there. but is there a knowledge gap overall in some of the f fundamentals? >> it's a very complex bill. i do think president obama's been doing an excellent job. think it is important to insist on a public option. otherwise we'll be throwing billions more into a health insurance system that's failed. the president is up against many special interests. these insurance companies can see we're just about to get reform approved so they'll do anything, say anything in order to block it. >> you understand why some people are wondering why this health care system is okay for the general public but the congress opts to keep its own plan. why not put congress under this new reform system if it's that good? >> i think congress should be a part of it. i've often said i want insurance as good as we get as members of

congress. there is great misperception about that. i basically have a private insurance plan like any border patrol agent or social security administration agent. but i think that it would be fine for congress to be in the same plan. the main thing is to drive down some of the costs, to encourage more competition that is not happening now, and provide individuals more choice. you just can't get that done without a strong public option. the president has endorsed but needs to continue explaining to the american people. >> representative doggett, do you believe on nestly that health care generally speaking will be better under one of these reform plans better than what we have now? i'm talking about actual health care, physician to patient. >> well, absolutely. estimates are that couple years ago over 20,000 people died because they had no health insurance. that's real rationing of health care under the current system

that puts an insurance company bureaucrat between you and your physician. or if you have no insurance as the american cancer society has said, a woman diagnosed today with breast cancer has a 60% greater chance of death as a result of that cancer if she has no insurance than if she has insurance. we've got to change that system. this bill is imperfect but a very important step forward especially if it has a trong public option. >> from austin, texas, democratic congressman lloyd doggett. thank you. if the tough economy's put a damper on your summer travel plans, you may take advantage of some great deals out there. airfares have plummeted. hotels are slashing their prices, some by as many as 50%. good morning. we have huge deals in airfares, down. >> domestic down 17% from last summer. international down 18%.

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unbelievable deals. >> do you think that's part of the swine flu scare, they so depend on the travel industry? >> that presents a great opportunity for leisure travelers to take a fancy vacation at a budget price. bermuda, four nights, get $400 off your hotel room. deals are out there. >> how long will these deals last? >> hotels i think we'll see them -- as long as the economy is shaky we'll continue to see great hotel deals. they have to lower their rates to get people in the doors, get heads in beds, as they call it. i think these deals are going to be around a long time. >> genevieve shaw brown, thank you very much. it is being called the sleeper hit of the summer. why you might want to go see "district nine." we'll be right back on msnbc sunday. ( upbeat music playing ) what do you say to a spin around the color wheel? to paint with primer already mixed in? test samples instead of can commitments?

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secretary of state hillary clinton is not done dancing yet. secretary clinton danced with the locals in south africa yesterday as she pitched in, a helping hand there. she helped plant the flowers and move some rubble from a construction site that, in fact, she visited 12 years ago when she was first lady. south africa is the second stop on clinton's 11-day tour of the african continent. she also has some stops planned in angola, nigeria, and liberia. looks like she's enjoying herself. those guys were so not enjoying themselves. "g.i. joe: the rise of the cobra" took in an estimated $60 million for a three-day opening weekend and it is america's new number-one movie rounding out at the top three of the box office -- for more on the hollywood box office, let's go live to in

touch weekly senior editor tom e neil. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> now, let's talk about you from your critic perspective in terms of "g.i. joe." not so much, right? >> critics hate it. critics can't kill this movie because it's already dead from "the new york times," but studio department let the critics in and when you defer to the exit polls, what moviegoers think, they love this movie. it gets a b-plus. the $60 million it just made, the third biggest movie opening for a film in august in history. >> what? >> yeah. >> who's going to the movies? >> all the young kids. all the young boys. they don't care. this is an action movie with no plot, no story development, who cares, boom, boom, bang, bang and they love it. >> do you think it might have been a different thing had the film been put out there for critics to review prior? >> yes. >> you do. >> i think paramount in this case learned a lesson with transformers ii which they had this summer which is don't let the critic in.

they're not contributes emu vie. >> c'est la vie on that. but there is a critics movie, "julie and julia," starring meryl streep and amy adams, seeming to be favorites with the critics. what do you think about it and how is it doing? >> it's fantastic. it's a really good movie, well acted, and it's doing well at the box office. this is from "sleepless in seattle" and all those great films. it's a treat. you've got to see it. >> i'm looking at mi in ing at as julia, flipping that thing. she's terrific. you feel like meryl streep is that person monopoly. >> that high pitch. oh, oh, the whole thing. >> she absolutely does it. the movie i want to talk about yet to hit the theaters and everybody is talking about it is this "district nine." let's show our viewers a clip from this. take a look. >> district nine. the refugee camp set up to separate aliens from the general population.

>> what's the story here? >> it's a sci-fi thriller about space aliens who are refugees who come to this world to live and we lock them up into an apartheid-type setting in south africa and we relive the same kind of nightmares of the real apartheid. it shows us not just man's inhumanity to man but man's inhumanity. >> is it good? >> i haven't seen it myself, but critic friends who have seen it, it's fantastic. this could be the sleeper hit of the summer. >> do you think it's blair witch kind of thing, a sleeper and it became huge? >> like "blair witch," word of mouth movie. it's spreading fast. >> you're going to see "district nine." >> yeah. >> thank you all of you and i'll be back in about 30 minutes or so with more news. make it a great sunday. guys... the blue goes on the left. (announcer) getting ready for the big game? ohhhh...

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