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comments have got a responsible from a republican. and this car may get 30 miles to the gallon, but it will cost you a lot of green. plus posters that men the obama girls have caught the attention of white house lawyers. they want the posters taken down. does it cross the line? you decide. good afternoon, everybody. i'm david shuster, live in washington. >> hey, david, i'm live in new york. david, the big picture right now, a lot of people. the white house takes on critics of its health care plan, het care reform and trying to calm the nerves of those who have legitimate questions about what the plan is. president obama back on the road just wrapping up the town hall in portsmouth, new hampshire. the reason he picked new hampshire, 89% of the state's residents have health insurance, it's also a state with a long-standing tradition of public discourse in town has and perceived as being very

independent. today the president started a key problem facing many americans today, the fact that they are denied coverage when they have preexisting conditions, very real concern for a lot of people out there. >> they will not be able to drop your coverage if you get sick. they will not -- they will not be able to water down your coverage when you need it. your health insurance should be there for you when it counts. not just when you're paying premiums. >> this is what was happening out front, president obama greeted by protesters, and the president made certain not to discredit what was happening outside. >> there's been a long and vigorous debate about this, and that's how it should be. you know, that's what america's about, is we have a vigorous

debate. that's why we have a democracy. but i do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other. >> nbc's ron allen in portsmouth. ron, people were expecting maybe folks would jump up and try to shout over the president. inside the president actually had to solicit opposing views or opposing questions. >> reporter: it was very civil inside, tamron. i don't think many people expected it to be otherwise given the authority the president commands. the crowd, some people thought, might have been staged, but there's every indication from talking to people online as they went in, that most people got their tickets they say online in somewhat random fashion from a white house website. some did say they got through a congressional office of some sort, suggesting there was -- but most said they got them

randomly. out here there were several more protesters very peaceful. there was a street that leads up to the high school. people for the obama health plan on one side, people against it on the other, very few people crossed the street during the course of the day. coming out, a lot of people said they were persuaded somewhat by president obama. he can be very persuasive, and commands a lot of respect in person, but there's a lot of people who have said they haven't made up their mind. a lot of people in this case have health care insurance, but some people wanted to know more specifically about where the president assistants, but they wanted to know what his's really committed to, what he says are the things that he cannot live without, essentially. >> i want to go back to the people who have an opportunity to ask questions, because, of course, you will have people that will say it was staged or as you mentioned, some people could have had ties to the

administration. give us again the details on how they were selected. we watch claire mccaskill at a town hall meeting and these people were confrontational at a town heel. these are live pictures, she's taking on folks aggressively there, but we did not see that at this town hall with the president. >> i don't know exactly how the questioners were chofb. i'm sure they were somewhat -- the white house mentioned they were random, i don't know, but i would think it would be very hard for somebody to stand up in an environment like this and try to shout down the president of the united states. the security here was very tight, nothing got out of hand. people were very civil, but again, i'm not sure exactly how they decided which questions and not another one. >> to note again, the president did say if he felt he was getting too many questions in agreement, he would want people to step up and challenge what they have heard in the past.

thank you very much, ron. tamron, now the bigger picture, can president obama get the nation back to a reasoned, rational discussion and put the focus on what the democrats want. despite the circus-like atmosphere, there are people with big concerns on both sides of the debate. are they being drowned out by the chaos? senator mccaskill continues her town hall meeting right now. take a listen to what happened a short time ago. >> hey, hey. hey. i'm not going to do this. shh. just a minute. just a minute. we're here -- let me -- sir, sir -- >> there were also passions that in some cases interruptions earlier today when senator arlen specter held his town hall in pennsylvania. watch. >> you want to be let out of

here, you're welcome to go. now, wait a minute, wait a minute, now, wait a minute. wait a minute, wait a minute. >> i am leaving -- i have every right to leave. >> wait a minute, he has a right to leave. he's right. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. wait a minute. you want to leave? leave. >> i am going to speak my mind before i leave, because your people told me i could. >> senator specter is now a democrat, held this town hall in lebanon county, which is mostly a republican county. president obama won the state of pennsylvania, but john mccain won this particular county 59% to 40%. george w. bush won at least 62% of the vote in this county. meanwhile, democratic senator ben car din had a hard time

getting his point across at a town hall meeting last night. congressman paul hoses is a democrat from new hampshire and was at the town hall with the president today. congressman, first of all, thanks for joining us. do you believe the passions that president obama and the democrats are trying to stoke across the insurance industry are as passionate as people on the other sigh who somehow believe this is socialism? >> the real point is the current health care system is unsustain away. it's not so much a question of passion as it is a question of fact. we need to lower costs for everybody, including people who have insurance. we need to deliver better quality of care, and put the people back in control. that means that the insurance companies for the first time are going to be regulated. that's no a question of passion, it's simply a question of what needs to be done.

i don't think it's a partisan issue or a passionate. we're going to have to take some control. >> where the passions are can dictate the kind of debate and where the message is and focus, which you acknowledge and president obama acknowledged that right now the passions are running on the other side. >> i think there's a lot of misinformation out there. we all acknowledge we're in a period of change, as the president has said many times, change isn't easy, it's hard. it's a matter of correcting misinformation, giving facts and having the kind of adult dialogue that makes a democracy work. it's what we had in the town hall today. in new hampshire we're very proud of our political tradition. we know how to disagree without being disagreeable. folks in new hampshire get it, we're having an important issue. >> there are people out there still, protesters behind you.

we didn't see a lot of that in the town hall. we say more respectful conversation. do you think the people out there with more signs are look fog a true answer, or are they committed to a story line, perhaps presented by within some conservatives there? >> well, i'm not sure what folks are looking for. sometimes folks just want to make noise, but i think that the majority of people in new hampshire, the majority of americans want or health care system fixed. they know we can do better. we don't need to spend $6,000 more per person than every other country. we can deliver better quality care, lower everybody's costs and put people back in control instead of the insurance companies. that's what the president was going to be talking about, and that's what we'll be talking about, and we'll be doing when we deliver real health care reform. >> there was a jarring image, somebody at a church apparently protesting president obama had a gun in a holster on his leg.

can you explain new hampshire law that allows somebody on to show up at a protest? >> in new hampshire we're big believers of the second amendment. that probably was absolutely legal under new hampshire law, nothing to be worried about. there's a lot of good security around when there needs to be. i know in new hampshire we're handling things just fine. there's a lot of noise, but not all that much heat to some of the misinformation that's happening. and people have a right to protest in a democracy. so this is a good, healthy debate about a serious issue. in the end, i know that in congress and in the senate, we are committed to delivering lower costs, better care and putting the people back in control of their own health care. >> congressman paul hodes from new hampshire, thanks so much. tamron, such an interesting point, that it was a very rational, sort of reasoned discussion in new hampshire, but you have to wonder, as the president try tries to talk about this is why we, this is being drowned out by these other

ton has that is just a chaos. >> we saw senator mccaskill, people were yelling and the fever pitch of anger. you could feel it, but david, i'm still curious. you've got these people out front with their signs, if they really want answers to the questions that they write on the signs or if they, in their minds, have the answer and that's where the argument or discussion ends. >> maybe just to sort of block this, maybe that's their goal. if anybody has a question about the president's planned reform, send us your questions and we'll do our best to answer them throughout the week. well, dafrd, general motors, speaking of answers to questions out there, they've announced a mileage breakthrough for its new electric car. it's the chevy volt. gm says it will get an astonishing, listen to this, 230 miles per hour of gas in city

conditions. it will become the first car to hip a triple-digit miles per gallon rating. the toyota the prius gets 48 miles per hour, the volt is expected to get four times that, but will people buy into it? the first generation is expected to cost near $40,000, about a third more expensive than what a preus will set you back. phil le bo joins us. $40,000 price tag, so how will gm get people to buy into this? >> they're hoping the 230 is what people will be focused on.

that 230, that is a formula that was achieved by general motors by taking their numbers from the volt, plugging them into a formula, because all fuel ratings are established by the epa, and the epa has a formula it believes is going to be used for electric vehicles in terms of establishing their fuel economy. they hope this formula will be used in the next year, so gm has taken its data, plugged it into this formula, and they believe this is what the volt will deliver. there are crillics that say, a, we don't know if this is the final formula. but general motors says if it's not 230, it will definitely be triple digit. this is the halo for gm is hoping for. much the way the prius broke through and made people look at hybrids for the first time, gm is hoping for the same thing

when it comes to the volt and electric cars. >> even if they're close to 200, that's obviously impressive. that $40,000 sticker, i know you say that's possibly around that range. even if it's close, isn't that pretty expensive, especial aas gm trying to climb back into the driveways of americans? >> reporter: absolutely. bigger concern is what happens with prices at the pump. if gas is still around $ 2.35, $2.40 a gallon it will be tough to convince people too move over to an electric vehicle. if gas is $4 a gallon when it goes on sale late next year, it's easier. >> phil, impressive numbers, nonetheless. thank you very much. appreciate it. so, david, 230 miles per gallon. that's amazing. i mean, i saw eyebrows raise around here when we want it, but that would be impressive if it's even close to that.

>> it's a more expensive car up front than the prius, will people be willing to pay, say, okay i'm going to give my money to detroit as opposed to spending money on gas, which essentially gives it to countries overseas. so fascinating discussion for a lot of families. >> and maybe some breaking news into the investigation of michael jackson's death. federal drug agents along with las vegas police are searching applied pharmacy services. that's in vegas, you're seeing video from tmz. they have a search warrant for computer hard drives and documents related to michael jackson's death. officials are also searching for prescription documents that may be connected to jackson. we're going to continue to follow this story and brings you any updates. remember sarah palin's comments about death panels? how could you forget it? we'll tell you how a top republican says the comment, the comment is, quote, nuts. also, toward the tragedy

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picture." the latest installment of the palin chronicles. >> weeks after her resignation, the alaska legislature voted on monday for overright her veto of $28 million in stimulus money for energy cost relief. between dining at swanky restaurants in new york city and writing her memoirs, palin has taken time to warn americans about president obama's so-called death panels, while simultaneously calling for a more civil discourse. meanwhile levi johnston, the father of bristol palin's infant son says palin's marriage has been in trouble from the start. >> reporter: you think they're having marital problems? >> they have from day one. >> reporter: really? can you explain that? >> not really, no. >> reporter: meaning that's a reason why she stepped down? >> yeah, i do. >> reporter: cheating? >> no, i'm not going to get into that. >> reporter: but marital problems? >> yeah. >> bruce narkins, i have a

theory that levi is the only one that's benefited from the attention. >> boy, has he benefited. he's turned into this complete celebrity, because he achieved the magnificent result, i guess, of getting a high school girl pregnant. i mean, only in america could this get you sort of constantly on television. he was just at some tv awards or something. it's ridiculous. >> tamron, go ahead. >> well, ruth, i get what you're saying, but he became famous, because they put him in the limelight at the convention. i don't know, were he not present at the convention, had people not been as fascinated. >> well, they kind of had to at the time, but he has certainly not -- >> they didn't have to. >> but he has not shied away from the limelight. >> agreed. >> every time you think the palin chronicles are about to subside, we get some kind of bump up, and i feel like it's a

reality show that in it's really bad fifth season. >> and facebook is playing a key role. here's what he wrote last weekend. wrote -- well, such a statement is simply downright false. there is no death panel, there is nothing like this. here's what senator johnny isaacson, republican republican of georgia, who's a strong advocate of, he had this to saysh quote -- what's going on? >> it's nuts, but i would like so say that sarah palin is not the only person who believes that the bill has, quote/unquote

death panels in it, but she's the only one with 750,000 facebook supporters. >> how do they get away with it? is it just people want to believe sarah palin and believe that the rest of the world is somehow some part of vast conspiracy to somehow harm sarah palin? >> i don't think they think it's a vast conspiracy, but to be serious for a second, there's a lot of discomfort, you can see it in the president's appearance earlier today with what health care is going to mean, and having end of life counseling is -- feels -- makes people nervous. that's why actually we need to incentivize it, because it makes people nervous, everybody would be better off if they left clear instructions for their doctors and family about what to do, but look, this is being held by a bunch of people. i don't think she should be

chastised for continuing to foment this, but it's not the only one, it's all over talk radio. >> and certainly not the only o one. we saw newt gingrich defend her. she brought up obviously the baby with down's syndrome and her parents. it came off again in this explo exploitative way, that she will exploit her children or her personal story, and we haven't seen a lot of people perhaps bring it up in that way. is that maybe the concern? >> i think that's a really good point. obviously the question of both end of life care and beginning of life care is of enormous importance to many people, but specifically to parents of children with down's syndrome. there is a fear -- i don't think it's justified in this case, but there is a fear of a slippery slope, and her baby has been

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ranked in the search results. that's it from cnbc, back to msnbc. welcome back. we have some breaking news out of california. thick, black smoke from a strip mall. this is a coin-operated laundry. the strip mall itself is engulfed in flames. we're working to get more details, but month bello, california, is where this breaking news is happening. >> it's in los angeles county just east of los angeles, not too far, if you're try to go place this on your map, not too far from the rose hill memorial park and mortuary where we had the famous scene of michael jackson's family gathering, but in any case we'll keep track of the fire. and divers return to the head son river hoping to recover bodies and wreckage that killed nine people. about an hour and a half ago, a

robotic device found an aluminum portion of the liberty tour helicopter that collided with the plane. divers have also located the plane resting on its side on the river bottom, they say about 60 feet below the surface. they placed chains to prepare to lift it up. divers hope to recover a body found in the plane. now to a bigger picture, the unregulated airspace that the tragedy occurred in literally under the radar. small planes and helicopters below 1,100 feet are completely unrestricted. it's up to the pilots themselves to keep from colliding using what they call see and avoid. lawmakers are demanding the faa impose new regulations. >> the hudson river flight corridor must not continue to be the wild west.

the f.a.a. must act immediately before further lives are lost. if it does not, congress will act. >> tom casey, retired american airlines pilot, and also -- over the hudson river, how difficult is it for private pilots to lute out. >> how easy is it to drive a car into new york city? that's how easy it is. the illusion or making an analogy to the hudson river car as something like the wild west is ridiculous. this is the first midair collision i think in history, we've been flying it since the wright brothers first did it in 1909, so 100 years. i think there's a tendency to overreact and i think we should be careful to react. see and avoid is a time-tested procedure and it's a wonderful opportunity to ta airports and see the greatest city on earth. >> there are a lot of legitimate

concerns that people seem to have about the helicopters whether it's in new york or the grand canyon, hawaii's volcanoes, it does seem there are accidents on -- i don't want to say frequent basis, but every few years. is there different training for tourist helicopters, something that needs to be tightened up? >> with respect to airspace, it's the same for airports and helicopters, but i think it's reasonable to expect with so many takeoffs and landing, you're going to see some mechanical problems just as you do with automobiles, with any mechanical device, any vehicle, so i don't think that's something that's -- you could legislate complete safety. you can't legislate that. you have to let the pilots do what they do best. that's to fly airplanes and leave their airspace to their discretion. it's work for a century.

let's leave it alone. >> tom, thanks for coming in, we appreciate it. >> close up today, barack obama like you have never seen before. a new documentary reveals a lost better view. he graduated from harvard law school two years before the interview happened. here he talks about his time as a community organizer. we set up counseling programs for young people to get them into college. we set up projects whereby people would clean up streets, remove vacant buildings, a whole range of community issues that taught me a lot about both the possibilities and the problems that confronted the black community in chicago. once mr. obama became president,

gonzalez struck a producer to release the video. lynn sweet is a columnist and washington bureau chief for "the chicago sun times." it reminded me the first time i saw him at the most famous african-american parades, when they set off the school year to kick off in grand style. he was very much like this, the smooth personality, how does that filter into the person we're seeing now? >> by then, by the time you were in chicago and by the time he was at the bud mill kin, he was a public figure. what's interesting here, i talked to the producer, stewart a. goldman, he had a very good insight. he said it wasn't as if obama transformed the south side of chicago. the story of this movie is how the south shied of chicago transformed obama. in this footage, only 12 minutes of it, goldman built an almost

hour-long documentary about it, but what i thought was telling is obama makes the assertion that running for political office is a long way off for him. >> i was going to toss to another clip we have when he was talking about the first time he was asked to lead a drive. >> i had just graduate fred harvard law school in 1991. i had been fortunate enough to get a contract to write a book, a series of essays about civil rights law and some personal reflections about the situations of african-americans and africans. so i was in the middle of writing this book when i got a call from a person named sandy newman who directed a national organization called project vote. they were very eager to have me direct their voter registration

effort in chicago. . at that point i realized it presented an opportunity to enfranchise and engage a lot of voters who had previously not been involved. >> you write about this in the politicsdaily.com. do we get a sense of how much voter registration meant to him? >> it did, but what was interesting, he added, when you hear more of the clip, at first he turned down the job, but he reconsidered only after carol moseley braun won the democratic nomination. setting i stage for her to become the first fee meal african-american senator in the united states senate. so he didn't take the job right away when it might have seemed a little more theoretical to what the goal would be. once she won the nomination and was in pretty good shape to win

the seat, the job looked better, and why not? the job would be easier to organize. >> we're keeping an eye and hope to have some video of this town hall. we understand things have gotten heated yet again. we'll bring that video to our audience. this has been a two-hour town hall. from the very start, we saw senator mccaskill hitting back hard at some of the aggressive questioning and the tone of her town hall. >> apparently so aggressive somebody had to essentially be removed. again we'll show that clip. why would anyone bring a gun to a politicalrily when it couple times to the health care town hallers? are people like this making their case or hurting their case? >> and later in the show, the boortending world championship. it's a real live scene from everyone's favorite movie "cocktail."

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we've been monitoring the town hall discussions, and there's a live picture of senator mccaskill's event. a short time ago the democrat from missouri essentially had to stop because somebody got over an argument whether they could bring the sign into the event. that person was then removed. watch. >> over here -- hey, hey, hey. okay. ma'am -- okay -- okay. now everybody sit down. everybody sit down.

everybody sit down. let me just say what happened here, okay? i want everyone to understand what just happened. >> tamron, obviously passions quite evident there. the fact if you're going to get up and scream and push people, which is what appears happen there, that person got into somebody else's face, there was a scuffle and police will not tolerate that. it underscores how passionate and how high the emotions are running. >> weave seeing this all day. we saw it with arlen specter as well. it's certainly raising questions about what is appropriate, what is the difference between being disruptive or a natural dissent, which is part of our culture. we have another clip also from some of the chaos we've been seeing as well. >> how dare you! how dare you claim that i'm part of a conspiracy. >> you work for us! >> this is not health reform,

this is control, control over our lives. >> i have never seen my america turn into what it has turned into. i'm scared! >> so that is just some of the anger and chaos happening in health care town has across the country, disruptions that are making it different for people to have their questions answered. >> and president obama insisted people should not listen to scare tactics. his events -- most of the cast remain outside including one protester who showed up with a pistol strapped to his leg. believe it or not it's legal, as long as the gun is not concealed, but it raises the question, why bring the gun at all? especially to a church where this person is standing.

then there was the repeated use of the swastika outside the office of congressman david scott this morning, a few days after he held a contentious meeting in which he defended the democrats' plans. so are these protesters, are they trying to distract people? are they aercht-american ? here to make our case is ryan grimm, and j.p. frar, seesht editor for "the washington examiner." what's the benefit of bringing a gun to a protest? >> have you been to new hampshire? are you going to try to get between this man and his firearm? this is part of the state culture. it's fine if the guy wants to bring it, and part of just this guy's life. i don't understand what the big deal is. >> it takes away from the discussion of health care and raises a lot of questions into whether there's an intimidation factor going on here. >> thank you, david, but you're the one that's talking about it. he wasn't there to get into the

discussion on whether or not he should bring a gun. you and i are talking about it. >> but if all fairness if you saw that, are you telling us you would have been like, oh, well? >> yes. >> i grew up in texas. there's a gun range across the street from my house that encourages you to come on over and take target practice. i think i probably boo have noticed the gun in this climate, j.p. >> have you ever carried a concealed weapon? >> i absolutely have. i've shot and my whole life. there were guns in our home in texas legally, but my point is with the climate, would that perhaps have raised an eyebrow that there's been a climbed of perceived intimidation? you would have thought it was like holding a pepsi? >> no, certainly not like holding a pepsi, certainly carrying a gun would be to protect themselves, but not forgot that a man was attacked by a union thug, and i think, hey, if you want to protect

yourself, i think that carrying a firearm is a good thing to do. >> that union thug, it turned out he claimed he had health problems and he seemed to bounce back pretty quickly and ironically he didn't have health insurance because he was laid off. ryan, let's bring you into this. as far as the passions, are the passions dictating the tenor of this debate? in other words dictating the message as much as president obama wants to get people passionate about the evils of the health insurance industry, he's losing because people who somehow think this is socialism are how passionate. >> one thing that's definitely genuine is this palpable sense of fear that exists on the fringe far right wing about what this demonic plan is going to do to their control of their lives. they genuinely do see america collapsing before their very eyes, and here -- they're going to get up and they're going to defend it. it's not based on reality. you know, they think it is because they're getting all

these e-mails being forwarded around saying look at page 236. here it says obama will decide whether or not your grandmother lives or dies. >> obama is also saying if we don't solve this health care crisis, we're in big trouble. he's also saying if we don't pass the stimulus we're all in trouble f you don't pass my policies, we're all in trouble. they're actually listening to president obama and they are afraid. i think there's probably some good reason for that sentiment. >> and these are tough times, and if we don't do anything to fix the health care system by, what is it, the year 2017, almost the entire federal budget will be eaten up by social security and medicare and that doesn't even count defense. >> ryan and j.p., we got to cut it there. thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, david, today's "crossing the line." just seems like there are so many lines crossed these days, but is it ever okay to use the obama daughters in an ad?

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welcome back. yet another attempt to use the obama daughters to get attention, and this time like before the white house is stepping in. last week 14 posters like this one went up in union station in washington, d.c. it featured be an adorable

8-year-old and the message appearing next to her picture, president obama's daughters get a healthy school lunch. why don't i? it was paid for by physicians committee for responsible medicine. dr. neil bernard, president of the organization is quoted saying every meal right now is really meaty and cheesy. he says healthy alternatives fit right into the president's health care reform. but it is not the healthy eating concept that is at issue here. it is two words. obama's daughters. dr. bernard says white house lawyers have requested those posters be taken down, but he is for the moment refusing. in an interview the doctor says he spoke with a first amendment attorney who noted that the white house has no legs to stand on. >> i think the president absolutely has to protect his children and that's why you don't see the children's names or pictures at all on here. what we're comparing are the schools. the school the first family have chosen provide healthful meals.

>> robert gibbs said, quote, without getting into the specifics, we've been very clear i think from even before the administration started that their two girls would have a very private life and we want to protect that private life and their privacy, and we hope that others will be respectful as many in the media have been about not using the girls as a publicity stunt. dr. bernard says he's open to discussing the issue more. in the meantime though, his cause is getting plenty of attention, which is surely why he mentioned the obama daughters in the first place. is it crossing the line for the doctor to use the obama daughters? is it crossing the line for the white house to want him to take down the posters? it's almost 4:00 on the east coast. we'll have more on that intense moment from secretary of state hillary clinton talking about her husband. we now know the question that prompted her outburst was lost in translation. we'll bring you the whole story. plus, can mark sanford