rahm emanuel quoted "the new york times" saying in order to pass health care reform, the democrats might need to go it alone. just a short time ago, robert gibbs saying the president wants to work with democrats, independents and republicans. >> our preferred option is to go the route of getting all those involved that are at the table to agree to something that can be supported by both parties. i can't speak to what republicans will ultimately end up doing. the president doesn't have control over every person's vote on this. he can and will continue to work to try to get americans want a bipartisan bill. 59% say they should no. chuck todd is nbc's chief white house correspondent. are these mixed messages today? or are they saying the same thing differently?

will democrats go it alone if they have to? >> they're really saying the same thing differently. when i interviewed the president in elkhart, indiana about two weeks ago and asked about getting a health care deal by any means necessary, he said look, the goal is to get a health care deal. the goal isn't bipartisanship. so in many ways what emanuel is saying "the new york times," they're all kind of saying the same things. this is just one of those things, it's on the front page of today's "new york times." it does look like the bipartisan talks a falling apart. when grassley starts saying publicly, i can't support a plan that i may support in a deal, i'm not going to vote for it if i can't get other republicans on board, this, i think is the opening. i've had plenty of people tell me they're going to have reconciliation, the idea of putting us through with democrats only.

they want to hold that over the heads of this deal in order to encourage republicans to stay at the table. >> and what about any reaction yet to the numbers today? 59% of people polled in this quinnipiac poll saying they shouldn't do this alone. they want to see something bipartisan done. >> that's always an answer you're going to get from the public. the public always claims they want a shird party, too, if you ask them. wouldn't it be nice to have a third party to compete. you would get a big number for that, but this is one of those where the result is always going to look stronger and the idea of bipartisanship than reality. i guess i wouldn't take that poll question -- i wouldn't say that that poll question is the be all, end all issue. >> got you. thank you so much. good to see you.

and now, "the bigger picture." there's a whole new level of misinformation that seems to be stoking republican protesters showing up at town halls across the country. case in point, last night at a senior citizen's center. barney frank was confronted by a 28-year-old woman identified as rachel brown. miss brown was convinced obama's proposa proposals were like nazism. >> why do you can't to support a nazi policy as obama has, why are you supporting it? >> when you ask me that question, i am going to revert to my ethnic heritage and answer your question with a question, on what planet do you spend most of your time? trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with the dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> a claim also surfaced at a

town hall in las vegas a few days ago. an israeli man was talking passionally about the need for government options in health care, when he was interrupted off camera. watch. >> did you hear this -- >> i go to spring valley hospital, two hours in emergency room. two hours. $8,000. >> the baths and shouts of hile hitler. where is this hatred coming from? according to a new nbc news poll, 55% of americans

mistakingly think illegal immigrants will now get health insurance. 54% believe health care will be a government takeover. 50% believe it will help take care of abortions. that's false. bob franken is a writer for "politics daily." is it fair to make that connection? >> i think there's a question we have to clear up first and that is how many times has barney frank talked to his dining room table? it's really important. and how many times are we going to play that? >> i was thinking a lot of people were going to come back with that because it's ricochetted around the world. the democrats finally have somebody who's punching back. >> you remember when everybody was, i'm not a potted plant. now, i'm not a dining room table. to some, misinformation is the only information. there are people who don't want to take the time or don't have

the intellect to go through all the complexities of health care and they're easily persuaded by emotion. this is not a left wing or right wing thing, although now it seems to be on the right wing and i suspect the people at freedom works are not going to send their people to any more barney frank meetings. to liken all of this to the nazis or to say to an israeli man, hile hitler, is dispickable. there are some pros and cons about what is be proposed. >> there's a clear breakdown from terms of where people get their information. fox viewers believe myths more than cnn viewers. the idea that it will lead to a government takeover, 79%. the last one, decisions about

elderly care, the idea that the government could somehow kill elderly people, three out of every four fox viewers believe that. there's nothing, anything like that, in any of these bills. >> our business has a lot of preachers who have their own choirs. they're going to believe whatever they're told by people who believe they can make the big bucks by whipping up a frenzy. the misinformation that's put out there by various websites and the like and add to that, the anger people are feeling because they feel the economy has left them out of control of their lives. what's really scary is that some people are coming to these meetings and are outside now with weapons. it's really an ugly mix that's going on right now. >> bob franken, you write for "politics daily," thank you.

tomorrow, president obama will sent down with a radio host for an exclusive interview on health care reform. you can e-mail questions you'd like him to answer by sending them to us. it is frightening when you have this frightening mix and add in the the prospect of guns and references to hitler. that means people are freaked out and not getting any correction information. >> he talked about the complexities of the topic at hand and i think the white house and people involved, everyone needs to step forward and say, how do we make this easier for people to understand. some is going to be unavoidable. the other storm, bill. category 4, getting even stronger. hurricane bill roaring through the open atlantic and part of the u.s. east coast, could feel affects by the weekend. the storm as it continues on a

path to the west, northwest. we don't know how close the hurricane will come to land, but it could be pushing large swells towards the east coast in just a few days. joining us on the phone from barbados, jack parrish. he will be flying into the eye of the storm. my first question would be, what are you thinking. tell me what you're expecting from your flight? >> we'll be taking off in about 35 minutes. we'll be making four passes through the center. i have quite a few science objectives. we have a fairly good idea of what to expect. >> so right now, the concern is that bill's most significant threat could be bermuda? >> i think between that and maybe a close pass up toward

cape cod or halifax. >> and how many more flights through this hurricane will you expect? at what point do you say, we just can't do any more, it's too dangerous? >> it's as long as the national hurricane center asks us to go out there. we're doing primarily research goals right now and so that's the specificties of our particular tracks, but we will both our p-3 aircraft and noah aircraft that flies around the storm and works the track guidance. >> and so how much more -- sounds like you focus broadly on research issues, but how much more will you be able to add to what the satellite brings us in terms of information? >> we get a tremendous amount of

details information, the surface winds every second, very accura accura accura accurate measurements. that information goes to the center. >> best of luck out there today. we appreciate your work. thank you. >> we'll be careful out there. >> good. amazing stuff, david. you've seen reporters get to go out on these flights. i haven't done it, have you? >> i haven't, but cape cod, martha's vineyard. anybody who's got plans there for the weekend, that could be a big problem. >> who's got plans on martha's vineyard coming up? good point. one day before critical elections, the taliban lawn fs

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today marks the deadliest day in baghdad since u.s. troops started pulling out of iraq nearly two months ago. a series of blasts around the capital killed at least 95 and wounded more than 400. the most violent attack happened when a truck bomb tore through iraq's foreign ministry. on eve of election day in afghanistan, meanwhile, the taliban has ramped up attacks. >> six u.s. troops and at least six election workers were killed. three militants took over a bank in kabul. police stormed the building, killing all three and the taliban has threatened to attack polling stations tomorrow. the foreign ministry told afghan journalists not to broadcast any information about attacks tomorrow, but the journalists rejected that deband.

richard, paint the scene for us. what has it been like in kabul and across afghanistan today? >> reporter: today in kabul, the situation was fairly calm, but as night fell in this country, tensions have been rising outside of the capital. as you said, the u.s. military today announced that six u.s. troops have been killed, not today, but over the last 48 hours. also, the taliban today set up a check point on the outskirts of kabul. they were, according to taliban, at least six campaign workers have been killed. they've also been handing out leaflets in southern afghanistan, saying this is the final warning, telling people not to leave their homes tomorrow or otherwise they had be at risk of dying in the wave of attacks the taliban will unleash when the polls open here

at 7:00. >> richard, what is the capability of them to have those attacks tomorrow and tell us more about the restrictions on afghan journalists. >> reporter: they don't have to shut down all of the roads. the taliban has said that it will shut down main roads and side roads to prevent people from coming to polling stations. that's probably something they're not going to be able to do across the country. there are many parts where the taliban does not have a strong foothold, but if they can carry out significant attacks and frighten people into not leaving their homes, the credibility of the election, which is why the government is imposing these restrictions. the idea was to not broadcast any attacks at all. there was an edict that was sent out to local news directors saying that if an attack

happened, the stations were allowed to mention it, but not dwell on it and that they should play patriotic songs, anything to encourage people to participate. >> richard engle reporting live from kabul. thank you so much. and monica, you can just hear in richard's voice, the drama, fears and tensions in his voice. tomorrow is a huge day in afghanistan and we look forward to talking to richard again, but you can imagine how many people are on pins and needles. >> clearly, the taliban sees this as moment to prove their strength, whatever that is. still ahead, could bill richardson's meeting lead to a breakthrough? and also, hear from the heroic mayor who was attacked while protecting a grandmother and a baby girl.

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lines of credit. and farm equipment giant, john deere, has posted a 27% decline in profit. they also lowered their sales forecast for the full year. that is it from cnbc for you. back to msnbc. welcome back. i'm david schuster, live in washington. >> i'm monica novotny, live in new york. "the big picture" right now, a possible thaw in the relations with north korea. bill richardson began two days of talks with the diplomats in santa fe and says they requested the visit to discuss energy initiative and the white house gave its approval. however, he insists he is not representing the obama administration. >> what i sense was one, the temperature is really cooled down in the relationship. it was very hostile.

i think the clinton visit has helped a lot to release the two americans. and i sense with the north koreans that they are now prepared to have a dialogue with us. >> governor richardson was ambassador to the united nations during the clinton administrati administration. >> now to the bigger picture. why is north korea dealing with governor bill richardson and bill clinton and not hillary clinton and the obama administration? richard bush is the director for center for northeast asian policy studies. first of all, does it matter who the north koreans are talking to as long as they're talking to somebody in the united states? >> dialogue is better than no dialogue. the important question is the basis of the discussion and i see no signs that north korea

has moved off the position it took earlier this year, that it doesn't want a return to the six-party talks and that it wants to be treated as a nuclear power. that's a non-starter for the obama administration. >> would that suggest then that talking to bill clinton, bill richardson, that this is a side show? that they're not changing their position and we're talking to these other people and you guys can figure out what it means. >> this is a pattern we've seen before. when they aren't getting the resprons they want from the u.s. administration, they go to people like governor richardson, whom they have dealt with in the past, with whom they think they can get a good hearing. this may be as much a probe than anything else. they are also making nice

gestures to south korea right now. i think the clinton trip was a special case. one where the administration gave its blessing in order to remove a pawn from north korea's hand in the person of the to journalists. >> if these recent moves then don't represent a true change of heart on the north koreans, is this perhaps a sign of their growing desperation that they want those sanctions lifted that they need help? >> honestly, we don't know. but it's a reasonable hypothesis that the sanctions maybe begin to bite and they would like some relief. the other possible explanation is that china may be encouraging them to make nice, if you will. and see if the united states can be encouraged back into talking. but as i said before, what's important is to basis of the talks and not talks themselves.

>> richard bush, thank you so much. monica, it's so timely because there was bill clinton yesterday briefing the president about what he saw in north korea. you can only imagine what bill richardson will say. >> it's also interesting to point out, people may not be thinking of this, but typically, someone coming from north korea would not be allowed to travel to santa fe. special permission had to be given, so clearly some moves trying to be made here. >> fingers crossed indeed. not long after the korean war, the u.s. was involved in a much bloodier fight in vietnam.

now that may look like combat footage from vietnam, but in reality, it's a re-enactment. revolutionary and civil war re-enactment, now, there are new groups of reenactors and they say it's time to honor some americans most would like to forget. some vets say the last thing they need is a reminder of the brutality in vietnam while other critics question if it's too soon to be doing this. joining us now, tom gray. he helps organize re-enactments in pennsylvania. great to have you. i was surprised when i saw the headline. i didn't know if these re-enactments were happening. but let me ask you about the timing. the first took place almost 50 years after the war ended. vietnam ended in 1975. is it too soon though? >> no, i don't believe it is. we get a lot of vets coming up to us and thanking us for what

we're doing and find it a little the therapeutic to talk about it and find somebody cares. >> why do you do it? >> my father was in world war i ii. it was just a natural profession. >> you say you've encountered veterans who look at it as a tribute, but in reading some of the reports, obviously, there are others who don't agree with that. one says, quote, i saw enough and remember enough that i don't care to go to a re-enactment. does that concern you? >> absolutely. because again, we care about what all veterans think about this. but again, we have like i said, we have the vets coming up and thanking for what we do. all we're doing is educating the

public and showing them what basically it was like for that soldier, male or female, over there during that time period. >> but tom, is it really like what it was for the soldiers, a lot of people would suggest you couldn't possibly get to what it was like and maybe the public would be better served to read real accounts of what happened. >> this is just another venue. we do educate, besides putting on the battles. things like parades and that nature. >> tom, real quickly, who pays for all of this? >> it all comes out of our own pocke pockets. >> there are a lot of the people who think of the reenactors as

militants. is that the case? >> not at all. most actually have never been in the military before. we have very strict rules in our group and i'm sure it's the same way in all the groups. we're just like-minded individuals that are trying to honor the vets, the men and women during that time period just like during the world war ii re-enactments. >> tom gray, former sergeant in the u.s. army. thank you for your service. >> thank you for your time. >> david, fascinating stuff. were you as surprised as i was? >> i was shocked and at first, thought it was awful and now, i'm not sure to the extent it brings people in and gets them interested. i can also appreciate how hurtful it would be for people who had to go through it. >> about 6,000 people involved.

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here to react, dana goldstein and amanda carpenter. dana, you start. react to jonah goldberg. is he right? >> no. i think the statement is prettipretty pretty ridiculous. what the insurers are doing is cashing in their chips. they've been funding for years. these politicians are home on recess and are hearing this information and losing their nerve. >> speaking of lies and missi

and misinformation, we asked fox news about things that are false -- that's false, but 72% of fox viewers believed it. decisions about elderly care, can the government pull the plug on the elderly. three out of four fox viewers believe that from the bill. it's not. don't conservative media outlets as well as rest of us have the reasonability to inform viewers? >> i don't think anybody's consciously misinforming -- >> you don't? >> the big problem with the health care legislation is that it is so big, there's no final version and nobody knows what's going to be in it. that naturally leads to some confuse. >> but we know what's not in it. there's nothing about providing medical care for illegal immigrants or the government deciding to pull the plug on

grandma. isn't it the news organizations responsibility -- >> my colleague at "the new york times" did a great fact check today. our newspapers are not objective. our editorial page is conservative. the report points out what is in the bill, what's not. she talks about the death panel thing, the abortion thing. there are great efforts to clarify, but there's no final version. people get in there, find these clauses and it picks up. of course everyone in the media has the obligation to clarify that. >> what does the white house need to do to clarify the message so that this information isn't getting out there? >> i think the white house just

needs to be really direct. consumers are going to spend up to 30% of their income if we pass health care reform. we can't continue on this path. we can't afford it as a nation. >> dana, on the point about the obama white house, there has been a lot of criticism that it can't even get its strategic message straight. if the white house can't get that message straightened out, isn't there a larger problem it's creating a vacuum and as a result, there is a vacuum for some media outlets to mislead people. >> the white house has allowed max baucus, who is insurer funded as a politician and to sart of take the lead in this process for far too long. now we know republicans don't

support co-ops. i think it's time for the white house to move forward and pass health care reform. >> can i add something? he's done so many town hall meetings, i think that's part of the downfall of this. he's put himself out there too much, talking about how -- i think that reduces credibility on this and they need to come back in september with some really good messaging. >> i agree with you there. the president has been out there and if the message isn't getting across, the message hasn't been effective. thank you for coming on. monica, it is a complicated issue, but again, it's not. there are certain things that are just not in these bills, yet when three out of four viewers believe that the government is going to decide when grandma has the plug pulled, that's crazy.

>> you said it. all right -- >> something's going on here, monica. >> it's true. and you see people out there with those signs that say the same thing. up next, bikini model murder. >> this is such a terrible story. her body was found stuffed in a suitcase and police are now searching for her reality star boyfriend. - ( rock music playing ) - ♪ oh!

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we are back with a grim story from southern california. >> yeah, that's right, david. a reality tv show contestant is being sought in connection with the murder of a missing model. police say someone killed 2-year-old jasmine fiore and stuffed her body in a suitcase and left it in a dumpster in the baena park area. she was last seen late last

week. authorities say she had been strangled. 32 real estate developer ryan jenkins is described as a person of interest in this case. he appeared on the reality tv show mag and wants a millionaire." joining us by phone is denise salazar with the orange county register. appreciate you join us. this mr. jenkins, who is he in relationship to the victim? is he her boyfriend or husband an and where is he? >> police have just confirmed that he is fiore's husband. they were married in vegas earlier this year. police still have not been able to get in touch with him, but he was the person who reported her missing. >> and her car is missing, as well, is that still the case? >> correct. her car is still missing. is he believed to possibly be in her vehicle or a bmw that belonged to him. >> and i've been reading in some of the reports there's concern he may be heading to canada? he's a canadian citizen? >> correct. he's a canadian citizen and

police are fearful that he might be on his way to canada and they've alerted authorities from all over to see if they could locate him, but they are asking him if he is following all the news reports to get in touch with the baena park police department. >> i wonder if you can tell us haeng, what's the time frame we're talking about as far as when ryan jenkins notified people that his wife was missing and today, the effort in which they still haven't been able to reach him? how much time are we talking about here? >> they were last seen at a poker game in san diego friday night. her body was found in buena park at around 7:00 a.m. on saturday. she reported her missing saturday night in the l.a. area. and they still haven't been able to make contact with him after he made that report. >> denisse, this is always the hardest part. how is the family doing? have we heard from parents,

siblings? >> know, we tried to contact her mother, and she declined to comment at the moment. we obviously, she was distraught. we haven't been able to talk to her at length. >> our thoughts are with her family. denisse, thanks for sharing your reporting with us. >> monica, coming up in our second hour here on the big picture, the life of television legend doon hewitt. we'll look back at the trail blazing career of the man who created "60 minutes," produced presidential debates and so much more. also, where is obama nation? can the president mobilize his campaign supporters to support his call for health care reform? plus, gender confusion in the sports world. a top runner faces accusations that she is a he.

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this hour on the "big picture," democrats only? with bipartisanship efforts giving the white house nothing and republican attacks getting worse, the obama team is signaling a new health care reform strategy. >> the president goes at this not wedded to ideological things but how to get the best reform for the american people. >> will the democrats unite to be the party of one on this bill? >> plus, more town hall madness. i'm sorry, what was your question? >> support an ideology as obama has. >> ma'am, meet congressman franks. >> on what planet do you spend most of your time? ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> later, nascar dads are an all important swing vote. president obama is meeting with one of their heroes this hour,

jimmie johnson. we'll bring you it live and look at the politics. >> britney spears leaving little to the imagination, and the other things we thought you should know. remember orly? >> your allegation here is that barack obama's family was somehow motivated to lie to officials? >> she now wants to run for office. all that and more this hour on m msn msnbc. >> good afternoon. i'm mon kapono votny live in new york. >> i'm david schuster live in washington. the white house has been accused of having a mixed messagen a muddled strategy on health care reform. that was made clear today in a public clash between white house chief of staff rahm emanuel and white house spokesman robert gibb. this morning readers to "the new york times" woke up that will bipartisanship was dead.

progressives were thrilled by the strong suggestion that the white house was prepared to have democrats go alone on health care. but then came the white house president briefing this afternoon with obama spokesman robert gibbs. >> the president believes strongly in working with republicans and democrats, independents any that seek to reform health care. >> not only did gibbs dismiss emanual's suggestion that the white house was perhaps ready to go loan, he claimed nobody in the white house had strategized over how to do that. >> some of the comments that you're hearing from republicans, you mean to say no one in the administration was looking at strategically the possibility of. >> we are focused on a process that