money they're looking for is really the last 1/3 of health care reform. the other 2/3 they think they've got paid for through savings. the pharmaceutical industry coming up with 80 billion in savings. other members, $2 trillion in savings over ten years. so there are a lot of different proposals. >> does the president think at this point, we're in the middle of august recess, lawmakers are in their home districts. does he think they'll get right back to work and in a short time frame, we'll see a cohesive piece of legislation? >> there's a bill passed by three different committees in the house. then you've got a senate committee and health committee. so everybody's really waiting on the senate finance committee. they have a deadline they've set for themselves of september 15th. there is no question that the white house wants to see this

ushered along. as you know, we've already blown past a couple of the deadlines the white house has set. october 15th is the deadline the house has set. if there's not a deal, they're going towards that reconciliation deal. >> president obama once again holds the latest of his health care town halls this afternoon, 2:45 eastern time, so just a little more than 40 minutes away. you can keep it here on msnbc for live coverage. president obama has just weighed on in scotland's release of the only suspect ever convicted of a pan am flight 103. al ma gra hi is set to arrive anytime in his native homeland.

he has terminal prostate cancer. president obama commented for the first time in that radio interview and calls this a mistake. >> we're in contact with the lib yan government and want to make sure that if in fact this transfer has taken place, that he's not welcomed back in some way, but instead, should be under house arrest. we've also obviously been in contact with the families, the pan am victims and indicated to them that we don't think this was appropriate. >> carol lost her brother rick in the bombing and i'm also joined by michael sheehan. what went through your mind watching that video of the man responsible for your brother's death, going free? >> honestly, i have chosen not to watch that video all day today. i don't think he deserves my

attention one bit. >> does this feel like justice denied to you? after all, he was convicted, sentenced to a life sentence and in fact, the judge points out, he still has a life sentence. he's going home to die. >> well, he should be in a scottish prison and if he were to die there, then that's the way it was meant to be. he shouldn't have been released under any circumstances. i take it -- this is just upsetting on so many levels. there are so many emotions. this was the smallest bit of justice we've had in almost 21 years, so to have this happen today is just outrageous. >> michael, is there a larger problem here? and there's a lot of talk that this removes a very sticky diplomacy issue for great britain. libya has a lot of oil, that there was a bonus contention by

having megrahi in this scottish prison and by releasing him, it does a lot to boost them. even if that's no what was behind it, the fact there's so much skepticism recogarding the release. >> this is really the final straw to those subject to this attack. gadhafi, the leader of the plot 20 years ago, was left off the hook over a series of actions over the last few years, first, by the europeans, then the u.s. basically, gadhafi, cleaning up his act, then opening the doors for the oil companies, has been rehabilitated. he's actually the master mind of the bombing and remains dm good

standing with the community. >> i'm curious on your take because a lot of people are saying that the united states should have taken stricter action with scotland, that usually what the united states wants when it comes to great britain, the united states gets. there are american companies operating in libya. the secretary of state has spoken out and the president and the attorney general, do you feel like the united states has done everything in its power to make it clear this was unacceptable? >> i think they did make it clear. maybe they did it just a little too late. maybe this is something they should have been shouting for months now rather than just in the last few days or so, but i couldn't agree more with michael in that gadhafi is definitely the master mind and to see him in good standings and to know he's coming to the u.s. next month is dispickable.

>> and pjust last week, john mccain met with him. does that just rub salt in your wounds? >> it's been happening for years and yes, it rubs salt. i know there's diplomacy with a lot of people we don't agree with and yet, this man is a murderer and just knowing that you know, next month, he's going to be welcomed at the u.n. is unacceptable and i can guarantee the families will be out there saying otherwise. >> i know you're brother was a journalism student at my alma mater. i take very seriously what happened to you and to the other families of those students on the flight. thanks so much for your time. >> thank you, contessa. >> we want to go to the white house briefing and listen to

robert gibbs. >> are on vacation. we'll try to get you better guidance on that in terms of splitting up bills. jonath jonathan's story had it in there that the president was going to meet with advisers on this. unless that was a meeting that includes marvin on a golf course -- >> be on the budget -- >> maybe jonathan can clear it up for both of us. >> are you going to take questions? >> sounds like he needs to. no, let me discuss in -- discuss a little bit. obviously, our focus as i said yesterday, is on continuing this process in a bipartisan fashion. you heard the president say that again today.

he reached out and spoken with members of congress including members of the finance committee over the past several days. yes. he talked with senator olympia snowe yesterday and senator conrad. as we've discussed, talked with senator baucus on friday. that's our focus is continuing to work this in a bipartisan way. i know that six senators on the finance committee have a conference call slated according to -- >> so there's secretary robert gibbs. a lot of questions swirling around about whether the senate might institute some different rules that would allow just the democrats to take over know this health care reform bill and move ahead and whether maybe that would happen by splitting the

health bill into different parts. coming up, new developments in the case of a murdered california model. the one suspect has fled to canada. we'll get more ahead. later, afghans head to the voting booth, but will their ballots bring real change to a nation rocked by deadly violence? this is msnbc.

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in california. jenkins reported her missing this weekend, then took off. michael okwu is following the story. what do police think about the fact he reported her missing and yet, he hasn't shown up? >> it's got to police wondering what the heck is going on with this guy. this all happened on a fateful weekend last weekend. her body was found on saturday morning. he reported body missing on saturday evening. police were not able to put the two together. the missing body reported also the fact that this was a body they had found. they weren't able to put those together until days later. then when they tried to reach him, they weren't able to find him. it looked like he might have gotten to canada, so they're really putting out an all-out

alert here to find this guy who apparently had some history, little bit of history of violence in the past. >> thank you. authorities have called off the ground search for a georgia mom missing for more than a week. christ kristi cornwell was out for a walk and then her -- >> i know her voice. i know it well. and the tone, gave me confidence that she was being abducted. she was afraid and i know for a fact that this is an abduction. >> davis says he's convinced cornwell is still alive, but police don't know. they don't consider him or anyone at this point a suspect in her disappearance. coming up, violence plagues afghanistan, even on election day. has it been enough to keep the population though from going to the polls?

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scattered violence across afghanistan today as millions of afghans went to the polls to select a president. militant attacks killed at least 26 people in kabul. police exchanged gunfire with three suspected taliban members and in t and. officials have started could wanting the votes. let's go to kabul and richard engle. when do we hear how this election turned out, richard? >> reporter: it's actually quite a complicated process. these ballots are being counted by hand. some of them in very remote areas where the ballots had to be brought in on the backs of donkeys. the initial counting is taking place in the polling center. the tallies at those centers will then be publicly displayed on the wall and that could

happen as soon as they're finished, so tonight, tomorrow morning, within the next 48 hours, we're told. then, it will take another week to two weeks to bring all of the votes back to kabul to be recounted and another two weeks to be reverified. we'll have initial results in about 48 hours, but might not be official for about a month. >> i'm looking at a new poll from "the washington post" and nbc news that asked whether forces in afghanistan should be decreased and 45% said yes. they also asked is the u.s. winning or losing. just curious. what's the perspective on the ground in afghanistan on those questions? >> reporter: they're very emotional questions, so if you ask soldiers here at a remote outpost, do they need more troops, more support, every

soldier is going to tell you absolutely. they're living in little outposts with little ammunition, food and water. are they winning, i think you would be hard pressed to find a commander that said they are not winning. if you talk to soldiers at more length, they sometimes realize what is the point, why are we fighting in these remote mountains, against the taliban, which is not necessarily always seen as a foreign threat. the taliban is sometimes seen as the local population. it's the questions these polls wouldn't necessarily get the same responses from soldiers here fighting the war. >> i got you. richard, thank you very much. my big three questions today. if all the violence was about disrupting the election, what's the taliban's plan now? who ever wins the presidency, does u.s. strategy change all?

and will this election change life at all for afghan families? joining me now, jack jacobs. let me ask about u.s. strategy. depending on the outcome of the election, will there be a change in u.s. strategy? >> i doubt it. i think the strategic change has already taken place with the installation of stan mccrystal. a proven commander who's done well in conventional war. isolating areas and empowering local chieftons. overall, we're going to be fighting a nation-building exercise. the general has asked for more troops. the likelihood is he's not going to get them. he's got about 60,000. i think he wants another 10,000. i bet you he'd tell you he wants

100,000, but he's not going to get them. >> when you ask leaders here in the united states about nation-building, the general consensus is it something we shouldn't be involved in. we're realizing that to win a war on terror, you do have to nation build. how do you do that when the taliban is willing to go out and kill civilians to make a point? >> you asked the question, what's the taliban's strategy and their strategy is to hang back, wait until the united states gets tired and leaves. don't forget that they hang on in pakistan and we don't have the full cooperation of pakistan. until we do that, the taliban's going to be able to pursue its strategy. >> let me bring in the president of the afghanistan red crescent society. when we met last summer, we talked a little about families and how the violence in

afghanistan really disrupts their lives. do you get the sense that people really go to the polls, cast a vote and hope that life for them is going to change? >> well, i mean, today the most important thing we did to the polls and here as you see, we all went and we did vote. something that everyone thought would not be possible. no one claimed that this would be a perfect election. we are crossing a difficult time, but never the less, we had an election and are hoping for the best for the results. >> i just mentioned to richard engle, a poll here about whether america is winning the war in afghanistan. what about afghan people? do they sense that things are getting better, worse, or it's just the way it's been for generations? >> well, i deal with people who are the most vulnerable people,

who are hurt left and right. they lose their homes, they are struck by poverty and all that. their winning is totally different than the winning that we are talking about. what they want is taken for granted in the rest of the world. what they want, a comfortable life, a little school, a little clinic next door, fresh water. this is their winning. i am optimistic that one day, people will win that and we'll be able to get this for the people for the majority. >> so if there's one thing that for you, and again, dealing with the most vulnerable people, one thing that the united states could do differently that would help the families you're dealing with achieve those things, a little education, a little food, a little employment, a little fresh, good water, what could the united states do to make that better for you? >> more concentration on those people who have been forgotten

for the last eight years. we have been talking about them, but we did very little for them. i mean, it is not that difficult. if even in the red crescent society, even a contribution of afghan merchants and all that, we brought changes to the lives of many people. i am sure that rich countries like the united states of america could bring these changes to a remote villages and that will be winning. that will be winning the hearts of the people, the minds of the people and that will be winning the hearts of people that unfortunately for the last 40 years have lost that. >> i know you're working hard out there. i appreciate so much that you've been able to join me on television today. >> thank you. >> and colonel, thank you as well. we will stay on top of this and when we find out the results, we will follow that.

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president obama holds his latest town hall meeting on health care reform shortly. this one is online. we're going to bring it to you live. ted kennedy has written a poignant letter to state officials officials. the senator has been battling a malignant brain tumor since being diagnosed may of last year. massachusetts changed its succession law to fill a vacancy. he writes -- ann thompson is in

massachusetts. who did he send that letter to? who might be able to make those changes? >> it will be up to the massachusetts state legislator. in it, senator kennedy asks that the succession law be amended to include the ability for the government, for the governor to appoint an interim senator which would take about five months from the vacancy to the election. that's what he is concerned about, that there would be a five-month period where the people of massachusetts would only have one senator in the u.s. senate and in particular, if something happens to him, it could be five months and in that five month period, perhaps a health care reform bill would come before the senate and that has been the issue of senator kennedy's career and it's

something he cares very much about. >> thank you for keeping us up to date. appreciate that. the health care battle is heating up in florida. robert wexler's hosting a public forum in delray beach right now. mark potter is there. what's the tone of this, inside and out? >> reporter: there are two tones here. inside, it's basically a love fest in favor of the president's health care plan. it's different out here. there are protesters against the plan and people in favor of it. they've been yelling at each other for a while. it's basically orderly. inside, it's basically a love fest. there are union members, democrats hearing from congressman wexler and hastings. it's basically just a rally. there were 500 tickets given

out, mostly to union members, to retirees, to veterans. first come, first serve, no one else allowed. everyone else is left out in the heat, but it's basically very orderly. just another hot day in the florida sun with people expressing their views. >> quinnipiac university poll shows a lot of people are rethinking their support for president obama's health care reform plan. what are you finding out more generally about the way week are feeling? >> reporter: according to poll, ruts are mixed and unfavorable. for example, 47% approve, 48 disapprove. that's down from june. in terms of his overall favorablety rating, 51% responded favorable, 49% unfavorable. again, down from 62 to 32 back

in june. but florida voters also say that they think that president obama will do a better job on health care than congressional republicans and that by a vote of 42% to 38%. again, to show just how mixed this poll is contessa, most respondents think that the president's health care plan will hurt health care in general, but also support the public option. so that's a poll that's all over the map and generally unfavorable to the president right now. >> mark, thank you so much. we've made a commitment to get real on the big stories we follow and the responses came pouring in after our segment yesterday. with a mother of two who lost her husband, and then, her health insurance. >> when i turned 50, i was looking at a premium for health insurance that was going to exceed by mortgage payment, so i did some more changing and i took my children off of my

insurance and put them on a separate policy and kept the policy for myself and that brought my coverage down to a more affordable rate, although i was spending quite a bit more. >> alicia, have you ever skipped what doctors had advised you to get for yourself or your kids in terms of preventive treatment for the cost? >> yes, absolutely. i will tell you that when you have insurance in the private market, it is something that -- you sort of hate to use because every time you go to the doctor, you have to justify that visit when you go through underwriting again. you know, also, you're afraid if you do go to the doctor and they find something wrong with you, then you're going fo end up losing your insurance altogether. or they will increase your rate

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wasserman schultz of florida, just sort of a prelude to president obama doing an online town hall. today, president obama is really beating the drum for health care reform. we just showed you the live pictures at the dnc headquarters where the president will host that national health care forum. earlier, he held a live, question and answer session on the radio. right now, senior congressional correspondent for the huffington post. when we're talking about the all the push on both sides, is it easily explained, this sort of nebulous plan for health care reform? >> i think you can certainly chalk some of this up to the fact that we are waiting to see a real bill come out of the

senate finance committee. that's the place where the expectation is. there's still the chance of a bipartisan bill, so everyone is talking more about the principles, a little about the house versions of the legislation, but it's still a little bit tentative. that means that president obama is left talking more about broad principles and opponents are able to say some things that are not necessarily entirely accurate. >> the president said he wants to get consensus, he wants to get republicans engaged in this process. ryan, what are you learning about why and here's the president -- let's see if we can get your answer in quickly. of how republicans are doing in the process? >> they're not doing much at all. they've been dropping off one after the other. grassley says that he's not

going to vote for the bill unless most of his party votes for it. >> here's the president. >> it looks like a casual crowd. take off my jacket here. let me begin by thanking beth not just for the great introduction, but for the unbelievable dedication that she showed throughout the campaign, but more importantly almost now, trying to actually get some things done. i want to thank congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. i hear you were on a scooter. i want to see that at some point. that's pretty cool. always stylish. i want to acknowledge my great friend tim kaine who joined us by phone, doing a great job on

behalf of all democrats across the country. for all of my organizing america volunteers, thank you so much for your unbelievable dedication. it is good to be here. i -- it's great to be here with you because it reminds me of how we got here in the first place. we're here because you believed that after an era of selfishness and greed that we could reclaim a sense of responsibility and a sense that we have obligations to each other, not just here in washington, but all across the country. you believed that instead of growing inquality, we could restore a sense of fairness and balance and create lasting growth and prosperity. you believed that at a time of war and turmoil, that we could stand strong against our enemies and also stand firmly for our ideals and reach out to the

world and describe what's america's about and forge together a world of common interests and concerns. that's why you worked so hard knocking on doors, making phone calls, hot sun and cold wins and sometimes having doors slammed in your faces and your family members all saying, why are you doing this. this guy has no chance. that's something i'll never forget. but we all know that winning the election was just the beginning. i said this election night. i said it at the inauguration and somehow i think people thought i was just fool. i was serious. winning the election was just the start. victory in an election wasn't the change that we sought. it had to manifest itself in the real, day-to-day lives of ordinary americans all across

the country. and i know that folks like beth and all of you at ofa have been working to make that change. doing the same things you were doing during the campaign. going block by block, neighbor by neighbor, having doors slammed in your faces, people telling you, why are you doing this. it doesn't make any chance. but just so you don't lose heart, as we enter into probably our toughest fight, let's recall what we've already gotten done. not one month into this administration, we responded to the worst financial crisis since the great depression by put nging in a sweeping economic recovery plan. we've got millions of people who have unemployment insurance and got cobra so they could keep their health insurance and states who have been able to avoid layoffs of teaches and firefighters. a tax cut for 95% of working

families. a commitment we made during the campaign that we have already fulfilled. thousands of people being put back to work across the country. >> president obama speaking at an online town hall at the dnc today. he's going to take online questions. c.c. conley and ryan grim join me. ryan, how important is it for him to keep doing this or is it the opposite and the message just isn't working and maybe a little more mystery would be helpful? >> he's being smart and reaching back to the campaign. the progressive wing of the party has been curious, watching him the last couple of weeks, whether or not he's firmly committed to real health care reform. watching the statements come out of the white house about whether or not he's for the public option or whether or not he'll draw a line in the sand. having him recall the election and talk about what that was

about is probably a good way of reminding progressives that instead of fighting with each other, maybe you know, getting behind the president, pushing across the line is the way to go. >> but again, for a lot of these democrats, public option is the sticking point regardless of whether or not republicans join in. we're going to take a quick break. we're going to keep watching the president. this is msnbc. ♪

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good afternoon. i'm david schuster in washington. >> i'm monica novotny in new york. president obama trying to sell his health care plan to conservatives. at the same time, he's also trying to rally the troops. right now, the president is speaking with organizing for america. some democrats were wondering what took so long for president obama to call up those troops. but just a couple of hours ago, the focus was on conservative voters. the president sat down with michael smerconish and tried to reenforce the idea that a public option would not be a government takeover. >> nobody's talking about the government administering all of health care. what we're talking about here is a public option that people could sign up for, but in that situation, they'd have to

operate like any private insurer. they'd have to collect presume yums and so forth. the track record is surprisingly good. medicare, for example, a government program, has much lower administrative costs than private insurers do. >> and at this very moment, again, as the president is trying to convince democratic activists to be more energized even as he reaches out to republicans, the bigger picture, we are learning new details about how the obama administration and congressional democrats may try to get around.

the wall street reports that harry reid is considering a plan to break the plan into two parts. put the more expensive reform