president was front and center yesterday, a radio show live from the white house yesterday. some conservatives were there. listen. >> i think early on a decision was made by the republican leadership that said, look, let's not give him a victory maybe we can have a replay of '93, '94 when clinton came in and he failed in health care and then we won in the mid-term elections and got the majority. i think there are folks taking a page out of that play book. >> and republicans say it's the president that never took their idea seriously. and now let's just show you the latest poll. this is an abc news poll, and it shows the political price the president has paid for waging into such a high stakes battle.

the confidence in obama to make the right decisions, and this is now at 49%. at the 100 day market was 60%. and so finally on the agenda today, the president will meet with tom daschle, the man supposed to lead health care reform and then had to drop the nomination because of tax problems. but he will be here, presumably to talk legislative strategy. >> jonathan capehart, and karen finny with us today, and then micha michael also. how did your audience respond to the interview? >> they were generally appreciatetive of the opportunity. the calls that came, and they were fast and furious, as you might have imagine. i try to have a dialogue on my

show, and it's not a shoutfest. several had a chance to pose their questions with no ground rules to the president. i wish we could have posed more questions but we did the best we could in a short period of time. >> the most burning question that you still have? >> mine was a philosophical question, not for me but on behalf of the audience that i was anxious to put to the president, and it's this. the bigness concern. the federal insolvement in cars. many of us are concerned the government took on too much, and i want the president to respond to the offset that says he wants to be in all aspects of your life. and he said it didn't begin on my watch. i never wanted the federal government to be so involved in

the automotive industry either. he provide add good reply. >> i want to bring in jonathan and karen into the conversation. how are you interpreting the body language set up for september, karen, in other words, how much of the carrying on, if you will, can be tolerated between now and september? >> august is always this month where i think in washington we think it's going to be calm and it never is. there is a political calculation that says in august can you kind of let things get out there, because in september, as you know, congress comes back and kids go back to school and people come back and start to focus. that's when i think the debate is really going to intensify again. and that's also going to be when the administration is really going to have to win the message war. certainly there are miss steps along the way, and i would be one of the first to admit that. august has been difficult.

they have seen where the fault lines are between the support for the public option and where the folks who oppose it is. but, again, going into september, they have a little bit more time to kind of, you know, get it together. but september is really going to be critical. >> i want to bring in the bullet points. as it pertains to health care, give me a reaction, and how much he had to change his message as august evolved. this is a president, michael, on health care. it must be paid for and must control cost and must provide options and help people uninsured. those are the talking points that he offered up yesterday. vague in a couple categories. how do you interpret that, jonathan? >> those broad outlines, and those points have always been part of the president's message. i think the problem has been he hasn't been specific. you touched on it just now.

because there have not been any specifics on any of those points, he is allowed -- he is allowed the republicans to define what those things mean for him. and i think come september, the president and the administration will have to get a whole lot more specific than it already has been on what exactly it wants. if it wants to control -- >> i don't totally agree with jonathan on that. i think in the beginning the problems were more problematic, and they needed to be more specific. i think they need to concentrate on cost containment, and focus on the insurance companies instead of talking about the bigger idea of health care reform. it's really health insurance reform that we are talking about. i think fine-tuning the message and focusing again and again and again on those points in september will be important. i don't know that he needs to get down into the nitty gritty of sausage making. i don't think that's helpful.

>> i think if he wants to get a bill passed he has to get more specific. >> michael, one of the big criticisms when you spoke with him yesterday, what was your sense or did you get any direct sense or in detective sense from the president on how he views his role in defining health care going into september? >> i think he fully recognizes because they lacked specificity, he said i am hopeful -- i am paraphrasing, i hope we can bury the lure surrounding things. i think they recognize this issue and it was a small step they tried to use. >> michael, congratulations on an interview.

it was really well done. jonathan and karen, stick with us. the secretary of homeland security dropped a bomb. but rumsfeld is firing back. he said we have no idea what tom ridge's book says. we will have more on this story coming up at 10:00. california police now say reality tv star, ryan jenkins killed his wife. police officially filed murder charged against jenkins. they think he fled to canada.

a >> please understand who you are helping leave this country. we ask for your support to bring ryan to custody. >> coming up in the next half hour, we will talk with a psychologist and a bounty hunter about how police can track down jenkins. >> and when emergency workers arrived, the pilot and passenger were sitting at the curb, and both were taken to local hospitals for burns. the plane was trying to land at teterboro airport when it crashed. bermuda is bracing for bill, the category 3 hurricane. now exxon mobile is evacuating as a precaution. bill is expected to passover the

open water between the united states and bermuda early saturday. it could regain category 4 strength. weather channel meteorologist, jim cantore, is out there. how is the surf looking out there? >> reporter: it's unbelievable. you have huge waves. and the furthest white cap out there, that's where the reef is. they will take more and more of the beach with each high tied. what was brought in to beef the beach up will be taken out. residents and visitors, those are the people that will be impacted. residents have been buying supplies. some -- most, actually, have not boarded up their windows because they are not worried about hurricane-force winds, but what

we will see are waves, and those will be the big impacts here in bermuda and in the united states. the path is offshore, and that's where we think it will stay, probably 245 to the west about 8:30 saturday morning. back to you. >> jim, thank you very much. dylan, we will keep the eye on the progress as bill gets closer and closer with the surf there. much more ahead on the "morning meeting," on what some are calling the sickening sight. a hero's welcome, complete with confetti. in libya, and what if anything can the united states do in response to yesterday's decision. um bill--

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despite intense u.s. objection, the bomber returned yesterday to indeed a hero's welcome. and the scottish government's decision to release one of the world's most notorious terrorists. >> you can see that he was received by hundreds of cheering supporters in libya. most libyans believe he was wrongly convicted and he is innocent. the last eight years he spent in a scottish jail was a sacrifice for his country. but that's not why they released him on compassionate grounds. he believed he was guilty and rightly convicted, but because

he is terminally ill and should do within the next three months that he should be allowed to be released back to his home country on humanitarian grounds. now that obviously created an outcry here in the uk and united states. president obama had this to say about it yesterday. >> we have been in contact with the scottish government indicating that we objected to this. we thought it was a mistake. >> what is interesting, president obama not only push pressure on the scottish government and the libyan government asking them not to receive him. the scottish and libyan government ignored the pressure from the u.s. >> joining us on the phone, the flynns. their son died on that flight.

you see the pictures. >> yeah, it's unbelievable that we are in the situation. to allow somebody who has killed 270 people to go home to a hero's welcome in libya is just unconscionable. it's just incredible. >> i would like to say, i am just shocked that the minister had the authority to do this and there was not some overruling government official, or whatever, to stop it. and then all of a sudden we see what happened with him getting this tremendous welcome, and it's horrible. >> we have a statement from his attorney, which i think we can play for you guys. hang on one second. >> i don't think the footage that we viewed is him being hailed as a hero. i don't think the recognition on the part that met him at the

airport was anything but he has been a part from his family for years, and he -- >> yeah, innocence proclaimed from his attorney. that is hugely startling. kathleen, when you look at the morality of this, and particularly when you get into some of the political under opini pinings of it, what do you think of this type of response is? >> i was happy to say president obama come out strongly and saying that he should be under house arrest, you know, if he is now returning to libya, he should be under house arrest and not be walking as a freeman, you know, if, in fact, he is going to die in three months. but that should be the scenario.

but, you know, that's not going to happen. you know, frankly, you know, my husband had prostate cancer ten years ago. who knows, you know, whether we are getting the real facts on his real medical condition. >> thank you to both of you for being open and available for us and sharing some of the intimacies and realities of the experience with us. thank you both. i want to bring jonathan capehart and karen finny back in to talk about some of the politics of this. if i could pick up with that. libya is the most oil-rich nation in africa, and they are a minor oil supplier to the united states. there is speculation that part of the motivation here is diplomatic. and they say this is diplomatically beneficial

between relations of the uk and libya. and there is a gentleman who recently was the executive director of the u.s. libyan business association, a group founded by u.s. energy companies looking to enhance u.s. and libyan relations. he was recently named state department coordinator for energy affairs. are we seeing, once again, the corruption of american moral values because of the energy needs or demands? how long will we, as a country, whether it's with saudi arabia or libya, how long will america continue to be forced or allow itself to subordinate its moral values in the name of energy dependency? >> i hope people will support the agenda for reducing our dependence on foreign oil and doing things here at home so we are not in a position so it's a

consideration. and this is an appalling situation here. we had no real voice in here in the legal proceedings. what about compassion for the people that suffered and the families of the people that suffered. it's likely there are political considerations going on behind the scenes, which we'll probably know about or it will be 50 years before we know the truth. you hope that is not true. certainly we saw the president and the secretary of state making it clear the official decision is we disagree with the position. it makes you wonder what might have been going on behind the scenes. >> yeah, and jonathan goes on to say this is saying gadhafi will be coming for u.n. week here in a month. libya is strategically located,

and so there is an opportunity to move libya in a more constructive direction. my question is at what point do we get ourselves into trouble where we are subordinating the moral volumes we would aspire to represent because of the diplomatic and energy interests? >> when it comes to that, you are right. the problem that i have with your question to karen is it presumes the united states has jurisdiction or say over scotland and scottish law. that's the problem here. the only thing that the united states can do, basically, is speak sternly and strongly to the british government and plead with them and really put pressure why on them not to make a decision that they are ultimately going to make. we have to be -- we have to understand that point. we can't tell other countries what to do in their legal

system. >> well, we have. again, we have no authority in their legal system and i agree with you on the face of it, and it's unfortunately that we did not have a legal standing in this case. that being said, i think the point dylan and "newsweek" is raising, behind the scenes we always know there are diplomatic conversations and other conversations like we know there were when bill clinton went to north korea, where there are other parts of our foreign policy agenda with various countries. the point is we don't know. it's not an unfair question to pose the question on the legal front we did not have standing and on the diplomatic front there could be things there. >> next month, is there any talk about the protest or coming to visit the libyan leader when he comes to new york? >> yes. we are looking closely at a plan

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welcome back. good morning to you. we are talking politics of fear here. former homeland security chief tom ridge saying politics indeed played a role in raising the terror level before the '04 elections. plus, another death match. jon stewart takes on the republican who started the firestorm over death panels, and now people are thinking the government wants to pull the plug on grandma.

she railed against president bush during his vacations at crawford ranch, and now cindy is now targeting the president now in the white house. and now coming up, we will show you the first clips from the new flick, "capitalism: a love story." and now hardly capitalism. plus the opening bell from wall street where investors are trying to wait to see what ben bernanke says at his speech at jackson hall, and what has the world come to? i have not been to the exchange myself in a few months, but apparently for the first time ever traders on the floor of the

new york stock exchange is dawning blue jeans in honor of the gap's anniversary. and on the run this morning after officially being charged in the murder of his model wife. and we have miguel following the story. hi, miguel. >> good morning. ryan jenkins has officially been charged with murder. he is the focus of an international manhunt centered around the canadian and u.s. border. his boat and car were found not far from the border. and he is, of course, charged with murder for killing the woman that he married, 28-year-old jasmine fiore back in march. the crime scene was a grisly

discovery. her teeth and fingers were missing. and last night we heard in a press conference from the victim's family who made a plea for help. >> this message goes out to the family, his mother and father, and to the friends that are helping him try to leave this country. ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeakable. >> ryan jenkins has been charged a few months ago for assaulting her. and police teamed up with canadian police for the search for jenkins who they believe may be in canada. >> and we have an author joining us. what if any insight can you

garner who are selected for reality tv, and is there anything here that is interpret interpreterable here. >> if somebody commits domestic violence. this is the ultimate result. they can kill a person. if you look at the e-mail that he wrote to his wife, to come back and he forgives her. we see what a toxic person this person is. >> for women in general, when you first feel the signs or see the signs of aggression in a relationship of any kind, how do you -- >> run! run as fast as you can. you can't -- it can't happen

fast enough. you have to run away from the situation. if somebody verbally abuses you or physically abuse you, the next step is they can kill you. and that is a reality. we have seen it here play out. it is not a joke. if somebody is physically abusing you, do not go back with them. >> what, again, there are so many ways people abuse each other in relationships? >> yeah, it's called the cycle of abuse. it may start with a shove or push or cutting somebody down, sarca sarcasm. if you are not feeling good about yourself and if somebody is not enhancing yourself esteem, you never need to be with that person. and it's important that women realize you need to get that self-esteem. there are many support groups. go there and talk to people. don't keep it in, and don't go back whatever you do. >> and bob burton is a bounty

president, and president of the recovery efforts group, and what do you think in a situation like this? >> there is a snitch in everybody's life. sometimes it's a disgruntled family member and is disappointed in a family member going bonkers like what we have here. and but there is a always a judas that we try to find. family, rival drug dealers, and friends, and just want-to-bes that want to tag along and turn the bad guy in. >> how often do folks like this get away in end? >> we capture 90% of all bail bond fugitives. we made 30,000 arrests last year as bounty hunters. in essence, 97% do not get away.

in this case, he won't get away. there is all sorts of ways of tracking him. if he is using a cell phone, and even a family member should get tired of this and turn their relative in. son, uncle, aunt, whatever. they have to turn him in. and also people up there that know him and may be looking for him for the money. >> 97% recovery is good odds. hopefully they will apply in this instance. we will take a momentary break, and before we do that, contessa has the balance of the news. the justice department is looking into whether lawyers illegally showed their clients pictures. they are trying to determine whether defense lawyers compromised covert cia officer's identities. and the category 3 storm is

creating large ocean swells. and bill is expected to passover the open sees between the u.s. ma mainland and bermuda. and emergency services are on stand by, and they warn people to stay at home, which is really no fun if you are there on vacation. >> yeah, who wants to go to bermuda and stay home, but who wants to go to bermuda and have a hurricane. >> well if it's just a rough surf, then, oh, boy. >> and now, the evils of corruption is being represented as capitalism. there is a difference. we will look at the film coming up. reading about washington these days... i gotta ask,

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the government bails. >> wall street was given billions. >> the motion is adopted. michael moore takes on wall street and washington in his latest film. it opens one year after the senate approved the lovely $700 billion financial bailout to try and stabilize the economy, and not to mention the deployment of billions of dollars to bail the banks out.

we are joining by msnbc.com's courtney hazlett , and also jonathan capehart and karen finny. what are we dealing with? >> i know you want to call it corruption instead of capitalism. >> that's for another show. >> yeah, and what michael moore does and what he does best, he is asking how did this happen? he asked the democrat from indiana, and he said i just landed in indiana, and found out about it. let's take a look. >> how did the collapse happen? >> i got home to friday, and everything was fine. and then all of a sudden we have the crisis on our hands. >> there has to be a rebellen between the people that have nothing and the people that have it all. >> everything is being handled by the treasury secretary from golden sacks. this was like an intelligence

operation almost. >> intelligence operation? you think? >> yeah. yeah. it's so hard for you right now because you want to go on the corruption thing. >> that's what is called corruption and not capitalism. another show. >> and what michael moore does well, he can't let things go. and the next question he asked, okay, show me the money. we have a clip from that situation as well. >> did he find on it? >> not yet. >> this is straight up capitalism. where is our money? >> i don't know. >> the people here are not in charge. >> i guess you win? >> we want our money back. >> capitalism offers people the freedom to choose where we work. >> we are here to get the money back for the american people.

>> karen finny, do you think he will get the money back? >> are we talking about generational theft here? i did not hear you say that once. sorry, sorry. >> we are just having fun. >> well, it will be interesting to see, you know, sort of politically what this movie is like, and how well it actually chronicles where we are following the money and what happened. michael moore got this representation as the truth teller when he did bowling for columbine, and some of the earlier films. he went through a period in the middle where some of the films felt more like they were him and his ability to make films and get the shock value instead of telling a story. i was reading reviews and like "sicko," this is back to trying to tell the story of what happened and expose some of the

things that did actually happen. >> i think karen is really tapping into a criticism, one i had when i first heard about it. we already are at that point. at what point do you ask questions where solutions are in the works? and then why are they going to tell some guy making a movie this? michael moore? what a weird way to break news. it's not going to be productive, it will just get people really, really mad. >> yeah, and we are dealing with too big to fail, obviously. jonathan, your thoughts? >> well, my thought is i agree with karen, you know, and i will be interested to see the movie, because i am not a huge michael moore fan. i went to see "sicko," and i walked away thinking it was interesting. i wonder if this will be a little more interesting and if

he will do more truth telling than sort of, you know -- >> propaganda. >> courtney, is it true dylan is the narrater of movie? >> you know, we're leaving that for the surprise of the premiere. >> it would be called "corrupted!" >> i think it will be interesting to see again to court niece' point, are we talking about the problem or the shrugs he solutions? sloochlt the american people already know they got screwed and they are already angry and, frankly, i think some of the anger we've seen this summer is a part of that. they already know things are bad. the big guys did fine. they are the ones who are paying for it. so, you know, you do have to ask the question do we want to make people more angry or are we actually going to try to give them something to do? i think you're responsible to whip people up without saying,

and here is what can you do about it. >> like getting rid of big to fail? >> that's ridiculous. >> what i would have done if i was a narrator said what they wanted and every other sentence, i would have said, too big to fail the problem. >> no, you would say too big to fail when the mccoys and hatfields -- >> i can see all of the money. it's a plon reply monopoly. it's beautiful. still ahead on "morning meeting." that was pretty fun. pretty good. >> america's former homeland security chief drops a bombshell. did the bush administration use terrorism fears to get him reelected? tom ridge says yes! others in the white house from the bush white house say resoundingly no. first, the break room. which power couple is sexier? brangelina, courtney? or the obamas? a new poll.

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it's the weekend. lots of folks headed to the films, the movies, the cinemas, the pictures. toure, pop culture journalist expert, msnbc contributor. >> i like the haircut. >> thank you very much. a and a handsome fellow. >> aerodynamic you're looking. >> i'm very excited, i'm going tomorrow to the movie "iglourious bastarda.

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security chief tom ridge saying in a tell-all book that he was pressured to raise the terror threat level to help get president bush reelected. cindy shean joins the "morning meeting" in a second. we usually see her protesting outside former president bush's texas range but now she is heting heading to president obama's get-away spot. another death panel to death match. jon stewart taking on the person who talked about the death panel. we'll have the play-by-play coming up. then america as we all any, maxed out. credit card companies slashing your spending limits while jacking your rates. a good or bad thing? plus, new rules. do they protect you? we'll find out. it's 10:00 a.m. pull up a meeting and join the "morning meeting." up first this hour the politics of fear and political

bombshell leveled at bush 43 by one of his former top cabinet members. contessa has the fails. >> tom ridge, the nation's first homeland security secretary, in his new book, he says bush top aides pressured him to raise the terror alert level before the 2004 election. ridge says the following. dylan, another illustration of the intersection of politics, fear and credibility and security. he says that is why he left the administration. these act sayingses are fueling bush critics and putting his supporters on the defense. former bush chief of staff andy card calls ridge's claim an overstatement and he maintains politics never influenced decisions about the threat level. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld who ridge names in the book released this statement.

>> the reporter who broke the story, senior writer for washington whispers that u.s. news and world report, what does the book say, paul, and how do you interpret the rumsfeld response? >> what the book says before the election of october 29th, osama bin laden releases a tape threatening bush and kerry don't matter, there will be blood in the streets. donald rumsfeld and the attorney general say we need to raise the threat level to orange because there could be troubles. what ridge says is he wanted more evidence that something was going to happen, that he was worried that, the country was getting kind of tired of continuing to raise these levels. he thought, and he sensed, that politics was involved. he called the white house, said i think this would be a fatal move, don't do it, and nothing happened. >> he goes on to say in the book after that episode, i knew i had to follow through my plans to

leave the federal government. how does he characterize his relationship with the administration? >> in the book it's farely clear he liked his job and liked setting up the department but he had serious jealously problems with justice and with the fbi and with defense and even the white house. it seems like he says that, you know, every time that he wanted something done or he needed some move made, that justice or the fbi weighed in with bush and bush always favored the other people. it was kind of like big footitis in washington. he was the new kid and he was just being ignored. >> karen? >> i was remembering that actually in 2004, i was working on the campaign and there were, you know, when that sort of news came out about that tape, kind of coming out of the ether, there were questions about the legitimacy of the tape and whether or not they had been holding on to that tape. >> right. >> subsequently, paul, you remember, in 2006 and 2008, the joke was , i mean, not a joke/joke but would there be an october surprise.

frankly, to some degree, we sort of played that discussion up to almost shame the administration, not to try something like that, because, again, the suspicion was that they were going to try to raise the threat level for political purposes in 2004, if you recall. >> right. every time they raised the threat level the public supported bush more. >> that's right. >> you could look at this another way. in the book, ridge seems to 'that he was the one who was playing politics because he calls communications director ban bartlett on air force one and said if we raise this level everyone is going to think we're playing politics and it will be a wrong move because we will lose the election so they are arguing that now. >> the problem with that, obviously, is that we now know that across a number of different issues, the administration was, you know, looks like willing to use politics, willing to use the leverage of government to further their political game. we have the value revalerie

plame schedule, so there were time and time again, we saw the u.s. attorney scandal where it was very clear and now it's all coming out how they were willing to use the u.s. attorney's office in the department of justice for a political operation. >> this is a point, karen, where, you know, pick anything from the list, is there legal recourse at some point for the american people? >> right. >> relative to any of this type of behavior? >> yeah. >> with any presidency, quite honestly. >> as you know, there is always this balance -- you know, he's not president anymore, he's not running for president again, so how much does it matter and this is kind of the discussion we were having earlier this year about some of the things -- you know, about the torture and how much we want to go after them. what i would hope is in this discussion with tom ridge or any of these other cases, if there are legal issues raised that those are prosecuted because the

u.s. attorneys scandal peoples lives were destroyed and their careers were destroyed. if there could be changes made in government that would prevent these things from happening, that's where i think the real value is. >> jonathan, the last word. >> one of the things that comes up if he felt this way during his tenure in the administration, why didn't he resign? the question is how long after this incident did secretary ridge resign from being secretary of homeland security? >> oh, about a month later. he waited for the election to take place and he said, you know what? i kind of felt that it's time to move on anyway. and he has done all he could could do to set up nut department so it was time for him to leave. >> thank you, paul. paul bedard, washington whispers, u.s. news and world report. thank you on the scoop. >> the raging battle over health care reform, key sides from both sides of the aisle, the so-called gang of six, held a late night conference call and agreed to stay the course on a

bipartisan measure they said could mean trimming back the scope of the senate's president. the president took his pitch to the air wave and fielded questions on mike smerconish's radio show yesterday and said the public option would only be a piece of the health care reform. before the president heads off on vacation he will meet with tom daschle at 11:00 a.m. he was was obama's original pick to head the department of health and human services. fewer than three hours at the white house, we're expecting comments from president obama. he'll deliver brief remarks on yesterday's presidential election in afghanistan. the second ever in that country. preliminary results are not specked until tomorrow and so far the campaign for incumbent president hamid karzai and his chief rival appear ready to declare victory. breaking news. a new report on the housing market. the national association of realtors report existing home sales climbed by more than 7% last month and sales are up 5% from a year ago.

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a hero's welcome in libya is just unconscionable. >> scotland release the megrahi because he is suffering from prostate cancer. 270 people killed aboard the pan am flight. island of bermuda is preparing for hurricane bill. huge swells out in the sea and exxonmobil is evacuating workers off nova scotia as a precaution here. bill is expected to pass over the open seas between the united states, khost coast here and bermuda early tomorrow and forecasters are watching the hurricane because it could regain the strength of a category 4. weather channel meteorologist jim cantore is in elbow cove, bermuda. how are the preparations? >> they are two faces.

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hello. i'm contessa brewer. president is heading to martha's vineyard and have an unexpected guest. cindy sheehan says she'll protest president bush in martha's vineyard next week. she made headlines camping outside george w. bush's crawford ranch in 2005. she said she wanted to meet with then president bush to discuss the death of her son casey killed in iraq five years ago but now she is going after obama's policies on the wars in

iraq and afghanistan and told the washington examiner, quote. dylan? >> cindy sheehan is with us now. what do you mean when you say that, cindy? >> the only change i've seen in foreign policy is, unfortunately, things are getting worse in iraq, afghanistan, and pakistan, and we just need to be, you know, in the anti-war movement. we need to revive our anti-war sentiment because people are dying. our soldiers are dying. 51 soldiers have died in afghanistan this month. july was the worst month for soldiers in afghanistan. plus the innocent people of iraq, afghanistan, and pakistan, are still being killed, they are being displaced and being wounded, and we need to give the president the moral backbone he needs because we have the moral high ground saying it was wrong

under george bush and it's still wrong under barack obama. >> so what would you have him do? if you were the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff in the oval office and he asked you for a policy course for the immediate future, what would you recommend? >> well, the thing that the anti-war peace movement has been demanding since these wars started, an immediate, complete, and, you know, as safe as possible withdrawal from the middle east. we don't always have to use our military to spread violence to solve problems there. there are other solutions to problems. >> what occurs to me is when colin powell was secretary of state and that famous comment he made before the afghanistan invasion, certainly before the iraq invasion, was if you broke it, you bought it. your thoughts on the fact that we have now gone into these countries, we have created chaos by way of war, and that to leave without some form of stability

or infrastructure would be grossly irresponsible? >> well, we certainly have broken those countries, there's no doubt about that. >> what about leaving them broken? >> we don't need to keep our military in there to fix them. we can provide materials, we can provide infrastructure, we can provide the people jobs, we can provide them dimt diplomatic support and certainly monetary support. we give the government of israel $10 million a day and we're not bombing them. >> is there a big difference, though, cindy, as you know between afghanistan and mcaffrey describes as a 14th century country and israel which is clearly a 20th or 21st century country. do you see the distinction? in other words, i understand the intent. i just wonder the mechanism of -- >> there's still governments in the modern world that can be dealt with without using this

barbaric strategy of war and killing innocent people. so, you know, we need finally in the 21st century to have some kind of same foreign policy that doesn't involve these wars. and, you know, pretty much these wars are for profit. pretty much these wars are for natural resources, and there's ways of securing natural resources without killing innocent people. that's what we said under bush and we should be saying the same thing under obama. people are profiting. the military industrial complex and the war prove tiers still profit whether it's in iraq or afghanistan. there's got to be ways we can do this strategically that doesn't involve violence and, you know, barack obama, i'm saying he is a bright person, he's an intelligent person. can we figure something out that

doesn't involve silg innocent people? having our soldiers destroyed for no reason, having other families destroyed? >> karen, go ahead. >> the question actually that i have, cindy, i mean, i respectfully disagree in that i think it's important that president obama actually do something to change the tone. certainly the speech in egypt, i thought was very important. i think he has made it clear to our allies he is trying to change the tone and made it clear he wants to get us out of iraq. the question i have for you, because i know there has been some growing dissatisfaction from progressive in particular, not just on the economy and health care, but over this issue. do you think this is going to be an issue in the 2010 congressional elections and something you would pursue in the midterm elections? >> well, i certainly know that there has been a poll where most americans do think that afghanistan, what we're doing in afghanistan is not worth it. and i would hope that this issue would, again, be a strong issue

for 2010. i would hope that the democrats would finally, you know, support their anti-war base, which i think helped them get into power in 2007 and helped propel president obama to his victory here. and i think democrats and the grassroots are anti-war, but what we have to do is voice our opinions about that. >> is that -- cindy s that part of the goal of your protest in martha's vineyard to sort of bring this issue sort of back to the forum and encourage people to raise their invoices? i'm trying to gauge how much you think this is an issue in the midterm in the fall and particularly the economic issues that seem to dominate the news. >> well, i truly believe in and many economists believe with me the amount of money we spend on these occupations and on the wars and on the military industrial complex actually sucks the life out of our economy here, you know, on the

ground level. so we have to connect those issues together. and i hope these wars get back to where they belong at the forefront and i just want to -- i'm hoping when i go there that we will revive some kind of anti-war sentiment to have the integrity to give the president the space. the president says over and over again, you have to make me do it. well, let's gather together like the so-called riot has gathered together on the health care issue. why don't the anti-war left gather together and say this is what we want, this is what we demand of our leaders. >> understood. cindy, thank you for the time. >> well, thank you. >> appreciate it. cindy sheehan with us out of san francisco. we are back plugging in on the political front. karen finney, of course, stays with us. jonathan i think is running off to his own morning meeting as he always do at 10:30. thank you for your time with us. we're back after this.

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all right. contessa hat latest buzz from the political blogs. >> you have charlie cook who is a well-known political an lilvet. >> he was with us a can you please describe. >> he is saying the democrats are in big trouble here. according to independents, 70% disapproval rating now. president obama with 51% ratings. he is looking at a net loss of 6 to 12 seats looking ahead. we will have to see how that influences their behavior. >> did they talk about how much is based on health care situation or the failure to deal with the banks? >> that they are losing on the issues and could influence the kind of action we see when they come back for their next session. wholefoods boycott. 20,000 people joined the boycott. why? a op-ed in "the washington post" saying the government should be more individual and wholefoods you think of their customer base as these very liberal,

politically involved, probably supporting the health care overhaul from the government. the question is why would this ceos go out on such a limb and alienate his -- >> the owning way can i answer it. ten ways at it. i think matt hit it on the head with his "rolling stone" article. there are always terrible or weak ideas or watered down ideas in the plan and good ideas outside of the plan from left, right and center. you have the bad ideas in and good ideas out. >> individual responsibilities is important. the president is going to martha's vineyard. apparently the boston herald has this article he is going to golf with tiger woods. >> really? >> and the president's handicap is estimated to be somewhere between 16 and 24 which maybe he should take the 24! >> go 24! >> yeah. all right. that's all i got. >> a hundred handicap with tiger woods. next up on the agenda this friday morning, new laws on the books starting today involving

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all right. big change in credit card rules may have affected how much interest you're paying our cards. credit card companies now required to give you 30 days

more notice before they cut your credit limit or raise your interest rates under a new will you law that went into effect yesterday. banks bills must be sent out 21 days before the due date and provide 45 days' notice before making changes to rates or fees which used to be 15 days. here is some of the bad news. credit card companies in response now imposing annual fees on more accounts. "wall street journal" reporting citi fees some top $30 a pop. raising interest rates from fix to do variable ahead of the implementation of this rule and credit card companies scaling back on the perks and rewards programs. one prominent wall street analyst who is great on the crisis across the board says more than $2 trillion will ultimately be rescinded by the end of next year.

we're joined by ed, a director of consumer programs for the public interest research group and karen finney is still bus. ed, walk us through what protected from and not protected from before, the essence of this. >> first of all, banks were cheating people that hadn't done anything wrong so the president had overwhelming public support for doing something about this and he and the congress passed a very strong law, good mirs step. as of today, just like you said, banks have to give us a warning, at least one billing statement, that is what the 45 instead of 15 days is, whenever they are going to change the terms adversary to give us the right to cancel the card. second, they have to mail the bills at least three weeks in advance because they are all tricking us by mailing the bills at the last minute and having them due on a sunday and not charging us a late fee but increasing our interest rate as well. then in february, more parts of the law take effect where it becomes illegal to raise interest rates -- i'm sorry, to

raise interest rates on late payments unless you've been 60 days late. no more university default claiming you were late to somebody else. that takes effect next year. the banks claim we have to make the money back by changing the rules, they were cheating people. they weren't just going after people who had paid late. they were cheating people who had paid on time. >> still cheating people. karen finney, what occurs to me the genius of this system, karen finney, the taxpayer is the best mark a conman could ever ask for. we are literally providing citigroup money, access to money by the trillions. >> yeah. >> we are lending them money at 0%, taxpayer money and pumping money into these tanks literally and then they are lending it back to us at 20%! okay? >> you're right. dylan, look. this is -- >> all of your money, karen, and started lending it back to you at 20% in order to make the bank

and you have to make the banks rich. >> the credit card company tried to do to me and i said you're charging me 13% and i've always paid my bill on time and you're saying because one bill you got it a day late i have to go to 27% that is it tantamount to a car-jacking! >> visual aid here. >> of course! >> finally, karen, i got my visual aid. here is the u.s. taxpayer lending money and giving money to the banks. >> i think it's too mild, dylan. excuse me. >> giving money 0% to the bank and bailout provide more lending to the banks than you could ever imagine. as we know michael moore is make ago movie about it, for god's sake. then the money we are giving to the government, they are giving back to us or the banks are now lending back to us at 14% simply to make the bankers rich! it is insane! >> dylan is outraged. i have a question, though, about

the legislation. what typically tends to happen. this is a classic washington story and we've seen time and again and seeing with the insurance companies. members of congress, people get angry and ready to come after congress. congress has the backing finally to do something about it. the banks put a lot of pressure on them. the banks, frankly, a lot of members get money for their campaigns from these same banks. >> health insurance and the banks than anybody else in america. >> what ends up happening is even though the force of what may be in the law may be stronger in terms of more notification. the question i have is what tends to happen, i mean, does anybody read the tiny tiny small print? now the credit card companies can say we gave you notice and extra 30 days but you know they have all kinds of tricks to make it so you don't see what the notice was. i think part of the real reform needs to happen it needs to be clearly stated to people. >> what about the reform where we don't give our money to banks that they can lend back to us

at -- we give them money at 0 3rs% and they lend it to us at 14%. the only mechanism is make the bankers rich as opposed to dissolving the banks in the first place for being bankrupt entities. do you see the absurdity of what we're doing to ourselves? >> first of all, karen is right. you're right. we're playing whamamo on the hill by banning the worst practices and they come up with new ones. >> right. >> that is why the president proposed and consumer groups setting up a new consumer agency that is independent of the corrupt bank regulatory system and protected from congressional appropriations hijackings of the money. if we had a separate agency that was run by consumer advocates that could ban these practices without having to ask congress to ban them, that could say your disclosures aren't disclosing enough, are you in the penalty box, that's what we really need and that is the big fight because all of the banks are against us on that one.

>> of course. they are getting rich at our expense! >> the banks will rise up and the process repeats itself. >> all i need from you two is this. allow me to lend as much money as i want. i don't have any of it but i'll collect good fees for and it when i'm out of money, empty your bank accounts and give the money to me and i'll lend it back to you at 15%. are you all right with that? >> the congress has to go over the compensation problem and -- i mean, the banks used to be -- >> they stole our money! >> basically, we should just put sucker on the top of our forehead and be done with it! >> if you're looking for a pick to mark off, i've never seen anybody give away their money and borrow it back at 15%. it is pure genius. ed, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> karen, i love you and you're beautiful in pink but if you could give me your money. >> love that. >> i got an insurance and credit scam. as long as we got congress working for the banks, we'll be fine. police are charging a vh1

reality star contestant with murder in the death of his model ex-wife. learning new details about the murder. miguel is following the story in burbank for us. give me sort of the headline what you're finding out this morning. >> ryan jenkins has officially been charged with murder yesterday and now say, police say he is the focus of international manhunt and they believe he is near the canadian/u.s. border. his boat and car were found not far from canada about a thousand miles from los angeles, the area he called home. they found his trailer, his bmw and trailer and believe he used his boat to actually cross towards the canadian boarder. he is the former reality tv star and married to 28-year-old jasmine fiore who was found sunday and body stuffed in a suitcase and left in a trash can. police say when they found her body it was a grisly discover. some of her fings and teeth were

missing. last night we heard from someone who used to date jasmine fiore. >> this message goes out to the family, his mother and father, and to the friends that are helping him try to leave this country. ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeakable. >> police fear ryan jenkins is armed and dangerous. again, he is a center of an international manhunt now. >> miguel, thank you. mexico it's legal to have small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, lsd, methamphetamine. a new law in effect today found personal use amounts of those drugs and people with those amounts will not face federal prosecution. if you're caught a third time with those personal amounts of drugs, you have to complete treatment program so you can legally have them but after three times, maybe you have to

go and get treatment. what? okay. here is -- does that make any sense? >> one story after another. i've only recently arrived here and general cable news, but it's quite a country. >> that's mexico. >> yeah. well, listen. this entire -- you look at the way we govern -- >> dylan, come on! >> me come on? carry on! move on! just move on! typical police chase here, right? no! look at the guy. he is dragging a boat behind him! a 32-foot boat and trailer. i mean, mere here is the police on the wild chase near gilford, connecticut, on i-95. $175,000 boat veering back and forth. boat flipped off the trailer. he arrested the suspect. what is nice to know there, steal the boat. >> that is me and scarborough

this afternoon taking the boat to the beach! don't ask who is driving! >> that's it, dylan. >> thank you very much. coming up next on the "morning meeting," part two, daily show host jon stewart takes on the republicans who started the hoopla over the death panels before sarah palin ever opened her mouth. we're back right after this. when i was seventeen i was not good to my skin.

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unfairly of being the catalyst for this idea of death panels. i know you never called it denial panels. >> no. >> apparently that is the translation of what you had said in alaskan. >> new york's former lieutenant governor is facing off with jon stewart last night over the concept of death panels. where do we stand? >> mccoy is a republican and widely regarded as having sparked the death panel discussion through a "new york post" op-ed she wrote. last night she offered no apologies for her position. she encouraged doctors to have these end of life discussions and she called it dangerous. >> let me just explain why the adhere to part is so troubling. because when people are healthy, they'll often say, i'd rather die than be on a ventilator, but when the time comes and they are confronted with that choice, they choose to live.

i believe this demands consultation. >> it seems like this bill is allowing more people more control over their lives and your reading of it hyperbolic and in some ways, dangerous. >> this provision is so dangerous. this provision is so dangerous that the senate finance committee has already ripped it out of its draft. >> it's not because it's so dangerous. it's because people so lost their [ bleep ] about it! >> what? okay. then earlier in this "new york post" too that may have started it all, here is mccoy writing -- then you have former vice presidential candidate sarah palin piling on saying obama death panels would actually go after her son who what down syndrome. >> have you three choices here about this rhetoric. you have ill-defined and misinterpreted fear the government is going to decide who lives and dies. >> right. >> the current model which is if

you're poor or can't have health insurance you're going to die or we will spend a fortune because we have to provide health care and don't want to talk about it but we want to claim to be independent or you can get it or have a health insurance company decide what happens to you. no one is talking about the fact these situations all exist in our country now but because of the denial of spending it to spend money out of wasoo. >> how can you say it's dangerous to have a consultation with someone, a consultation you're facing the end of life. talk to us about how much action you want taken on your behalf. how can the conversation be dangerous? >> john dekker, washington correspondent for reuters joins us in this company. karen finney is still bus. if you want to use sarah palin -- decide when to stop

paying, they are called health insurance executives. that's what they do. that's the business, right? so, one, is people have this fear that people are deciding about your health care that are not you which already exists like that what you fear is already here. and then the opportunity to sort of as if the government would just sort of take this to the left level and start offing people makes no sense to me. >> this is the big issue the obama issue is confronting and one of the reasons why you've seen the obama administration bash the insurance companies over the past few weeks. they are an easy target and i think a lot of people that have dealt with the insurance companies personally or through loved ones have had to deal with insurance companies, they understand the language that's coming out from president obama and other people in the white house. >> again, because she's not here, take a listen to her representing her point of view. >> and what is wrong about this, it's one thing to pay doctors to

spend time with their patients discuss this issue. i am not against this, but putting pressure on doctors to require patients toing through a consultation that's prescribed by the government and then penalize them. >> but -- >> wait a second, wait a second. and if they change their mind about a will in a moment of crisis is wrong. >> it would be wrong if that is in any way what this says. >> karen, you get the last word. >> jonathan -- jon stewart is right. if i'm not mistaken this is already in the medicare people people like senator grassley already voted for. one thing to say, look, we think it's important as a culture that a person is able to have a conversation with their doctor about their end of life decision. that's really all that is saying. again, i think, that is a good thing. my parents both have done it,

they both have lilve wills but i feel more comfortable knowing what they want and feeling i could have that conversation with their doctor. >> what cares scares people is the money spent in the last 6 to 12 months of life explodes. the question is if you're trying to bend the cost curve and you don't want to deal with health insurance and the drug companies the the other way to bend the curve is support health insurance and -- >> here we are with two key problems where this debate has gone. i know jon has probably heard it day in and day one. this is not about making money. this is about providing the best effective cost-efficient health care to our people. that's what this conversation should be about. number two, it's the kind of thing that has been cherry-picked out because the obama administration maybe wasn't as direct on the impact of the legislation on you and, instead, have left the republicans the room to

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♪ how sweet it is to be loved by you ♪ >> we wrap up another week of "morning meeting" and do it with a sendoff. our fine director who helped launch this fine program and our technical director, gina and jason, they are getting married! come over here, you two. congratulations! >> yea! >> congratulations to you. is it appropriate? if i had rice, i would throw it. is it bad luck to on throw rice ahead of the wedding? you're getting married in aruba? >> yes. >> do you have to be a citizen there to get married in aruba? >> no. but a lot of paper work. >> you know the weather in aruba is not very good? >> yes. >> is it indeed outside of the hurricane path, todd? >> a thousand miles away and getting even farther away.

>> congratulations to you. thank you so much and congratulations to you. enjoy your two weeks off. get out of here! go! >> they deserve it, right? they deserve it! >> enjoy your day. how are you doing? >> i thought about going to aruba. >> you want to go to aruba? >> yeah. >> carlos is up here with the former governor of new york state, mario cuomo. look forward to seeing you monday morning. i'm dylan ratigan. pollen. when i really liked to be outside, i did not like suffering from nasal allergy symptoms like congestion. but nasonex relief may i say... bee-utiful! prescription nasonex is proven to help relieve indoor and outdoor nasal allergy symptoms like congestion, runny and itchy nose and sneezing. (announcer) side effects were generally mild and included headache. viral infection,

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allegations that about this parties can support. ben bernanke says the economy is on the verge of recovery. good morning, everyone. amazing hour coming your way. former new york governor mario cuomo joins me for the entire hour and joined by rising republican texas star michael burgess and maria bartolomoma and jeff lewis of bravo is joining us live in the studio. we want to fast forward through the top haenels. henels headlines. in an upcoming book, former homeland security secretary tom ridge says he knew it was time for him to step down after pressured by fellow cabinet members to raise the threat level before the four presidential election. former defense secretary drufed had pushed back and said the claims are nonsense.

also new gresome details about former swimsuit model jasmine fiore. her body was found stuffed in a suitcase in a trash bin and jenkins is charged with her murder. police say he removed her teeth and fingers presumably to prevent them from identifying the body. britain called the freed lockerbie bombing release from prison distressing. he arrived home despite president obama's call for libya to show some restraint. >> he has been from his family for ten years. he is an innocent in many people in libya and certainly his family and he is here to die. >> al megrahi was released from prison in cot land on