it's getting really unhappy. >> the pilot of an airliner stranded all night long. dozens of passengers on board. for the first time, publicly we're hearing the desperate appeal made by the pilot. one final health care pitch, the president once again tries to dispel rumors about his plan for reform, before he heads off on vacation. >> you probably heard, we ain't into the prison taking business. we're in the killing nazi business. cousin, business is a booming. >> can quentin tarantino's new movie beat out the aliens of "district 9" at the box office? we'll check that out. good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt. welcome to "msnbc saturday" tropical storm warning for massachusetts as hurricane bill barrels toward bur mermuda. less than 180 miles from

bermuda, moving north-northwest 20 miles per hour. the waves are rising near hamilton, where the residents in bermuda are waiting out the storm inside their homes and hotels. storefronts are boarded up. road as long the northern coast have filled up with water. people along the east coast from northern florida to new england are bracing for the high surf and the rip currents. we'll have a live report later in the hour from orleans, massachusetts. todd santos is here with more on bill. good morning, todd. >> good morning, alex. the latest advisory that came in and one piece that's changed is that the motion instead of north-northwest, we're talking north. still the same speed, 22 miles per hour, wind speeds sustained around 105. still a nasty storm. at this point category 2. the north movement what we're looking for. the perfect way to look at a storm moving away from bermuda, towards the northwest. still you can see that southeastern corner kind of touching the edge of the island.

we'll be checking in with jim c cantore. here's a look at check, today into tomorrowly, substantial effects on the beaches. rip current risks and waves upwards around 12 feet, potentially high of across the new jersey shoreline. something to keep in mind. stay out of the water with the system, you're likely to be all set across the area. we are looking at high surf advisory extending from south of jacksonville, florida, across the carolinas, outer banks one spot that could pick up upwards, 15 foot waves if not higher. tropical storm warning that is going to start to take effect late night tonight into early tomorrow morning again for winds out of the cape, nantucket, martha's vineyard. for the rest of massachusetts and southern new england looking good. >> thank you, todd santos. let's go to the field and weather channel meteorologist mike seidel in jones beach, new

york. what's the situation there? >> reporter: well, it's a slow morning so far because we've been pounded by heavy rain. that's going to be the weather story in the new york city area today for a lot of people. we'll have a front loitering. this rain is not from bill but driving in this morning, we were hit by the tropical downpours about we had lightning and thunder all night. we're getting a break now but more rain up the coast from the jersey shore. surf behind my pounding. i talked to lifeguards earlier, they're not going to let anybody in the water today, at least most of tomorrow. they've got red flags out. if you're coming out to jones beach, dodging the showers, don't think of going into the water, it's too dangerous. forecasting five to eight footers today, 8 to 12 footers tonight and waves tomorrow 6 to 10, will start to back off. again, alex, as todd said, a surf story along the east coast until you get up to cape cod, where there will be some wind to deal with tomorrow. >> talk about the lifeguards saying they won't let people into the water, but do they go a

step further and shut the beach down if the waves get that bad? >> reporter: new york you can come out on the beach and you may have heard that the city beaches in new york city, except for the one in the bronx, including coney island, manhattan beach, rockaway closed yesterday and closed until further notice to swimming. you can come out on the beach, play in the sand, but swimming is not allowed. a lot 0 people come out to the beaches aren't the best swimmers and good swimmers can get caught by the rip currents. this is not a situation you want to play around with. it's better to keep the people out of the water instead of trying to reskew and foengspote loss of life. >> how humid is it? >> reporter: it's fairly hume. but the rain has cooled us off. when the sun's behind the clouds it's a decent day here. again more storms on the way. a chance of rain tomorrow. but not from bill.

only thing bill will do on the east coast is bring in surf and rip currents and little, if any wind, except into new england. the area that's going to get hit by bill will be nova scotia and few finland later tomorrow night. >> mike, thanks so much. teach kekeep it here on the from hurricane bill. politics, nbc news has learned a cia report detailing mock executions could be released monday. it's a report that's been kept secret since first commissioned in 2004. according to "newsweek," the report says cia officials threatened one detainee with a gun and a power drill, and they staged a fake execution in a room next to one detainee complete with a gunshot to make it seem like a prisoner had been called. micha michael isikoff tells rachel maddow the report will be explosive. >> mock executions threatening a

detainee with death that clearly seemed to go beyond the justice department legal authorizations, and that's why these are so significant. >> that report will come out officially on monday. the rachel maddow show week nights 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. president is tackling outrageous myths about health reform. republicans say the president is the one playing fast and loose with the facts. joined by mike viqueira, who is inside not dealing with rain outside of the white house this morning. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, alex. >> so let's get details here. who is it calling the president fast and loose? we're talking about what he says. >> reporter: well, there's the republican in the house of representatives, an orthopedist, tom tom bryce in newt gingrich's old seat north of atlanta. the president continues on defense in the wake of the tone halls and talks by republicans

in washington, they've been gone for three weeks now but the distortions that the president has characterized the stories about the death panels and what's going to happen to medicare and things of that nature have got the white house playing defense and continue to do so today. we have an interesting montage, back and forth between the competing internet addresses between the president and representative price, an orthopedist from georgia. >> the plan being promoted by the white house would give washington the power to make highly personal medical decisions on behalf of patients, on behalf of you. >> no sonner want the government to get between you and the doctor than i want insurance companies to make arbitrary decisions about what medical care is best for you. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. >> experts agree that, under the house bill, millions of americans will be forced off of their personal, private coverage and shuffled on to the

government plan. >> reporter: the president will be going to martha's vineyard for the much-anticipated vacation. first family at camp dade right now leaving tomorrow for massachusetts. perhaps it's time that everybody takes a deep breath, as much of washington goes on vacation. the town deserted this time of year. tourists on the mall checking out museums in the rain this morning. but perhaps time for a break, what do you think, alex? >> i think it's fine. though you can have one until noon, pal. >> reporter: that's a deal. >> mike viqueira, thank you. tomorrow on "meet the press" key players in the health care debate, orrin hatch and charles schumer, will tell david gregory where health reform stands now. check local listings for that. rioting inmates at a kentucky prison set fire to several buildings on the compound. a police spokesman says, there was so much damage 1200 prisoners had to be bussed to

other facilities. firefighters are ex-twinge wi e the blazes. no serious injuries to inmates or prison staff. we are hearing tape of a nightmare plane flight for passengers stuck on a tarmac at a minnesota airport earlier this month. after diverting to the rochester airport, 47 passengers strand overnight inside a small express jet operated for continental airlines. the pilot tells her dispatcher in houston the only terminal in rochester is closed. >> not doing too night, tonight? >> no, no. >> not a good situation? >> no. and the fact there's no food and it's getting really unhappy. the problem, too, is that the terminal's closed here. >> yeah. >> so we can't even get to the terminal. if they could get off into the terminal and mill around. but they can't. >> a preliminary investigation sho shows representative incorrectly

told express jets passengers could not be allowed inside the terminal because security personnel left for the now. new developments in the internet manhunt for a reality tv contestant wanted in the gruesome murder of his ex-wife, who was also a model. police say believe ryan jenkins has fled to canada. he has been charged in the murder of jasmine fiore. her body was found in a dumpster in orange county, california, one week ago, stuffed in a suitcase with fingers and teeth removed. live in calgary, canada. miguel, let's talk about the latest on the search. you can explain why you are where you are. >> reporter: alex, good morning from calgary. this is where ryan jenkins grew up, and police are intensifying their search in and around this area. they are searching for ryan jenkins on the ground, in the air, and on the water. in fact, police boarded an airplane yesterday at the toronto airport with his 8 x 10

picture, went up and down the aisleways. pulled off a passenger that matched his description. he was not ryan jenkins. they let that passenger go, obviously. ryan jenkins accused of strangling to death jasmine fiore, the 28-year-old swim mod whole he married back in march. we have new video of what police call a gruesome crime scene. her body, as you will recall, was stuffed into a suitcase, dumped into a trash can, trash barrel, just outside of los angeles, california. detectives say, when they found her body, her teeth and fingers were missing, presumably an effort to delay her identification. in fact, her body was so mutilated jasmine fiore was identified through serial numbers on breast implants. she was last seen alive last friday with ryan jenkins in san diego. he reported her missing the very day she was found. now the two were married back in march. they had a troubling relationship. in fact, she filed some domestic violence charges against him.

those charges were never carried out. they were due to come to court in deuce. and police say shortly after last week, they believe jenkins made his way up towards the border here in canada and that is the center of the manhunt, alex? >> thank you from reporting from the center of everything now. still ahead -- a live report from bermuda. hurricane bill swirls out in the atlantic and how it could affect your beach plans. promising signs for the economy. are we coming one step closer to a recovery? here's hoping on "msnbc saturday." he ran off with his secretary! she's 23 years old! - oh, come on. - enough! you get half and you get half. ( chirp ) team three, boathouse? ( chirp ) oh yeah-- his and hers. - ( crowd gasping ) - ( chirp ) van gogh? ( chirp ) even steven. - ( chirp ) mansion. - ( chirp ) good to go. ( grunts ) timber! ( chirp ) boss? what do we do with the shih-tzu? - ( crowd gasps ) - ( chirp ) joint custody. - phew! - announcer: get work done now. communicate in less than a second witnextel direct connect. only on the now network.

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hurricane bill is barreling across the atlantic, at this hour. tropical storm warning if n. effect for massachusetts.

a live look at jones beach in new york on long island where the surf is definitely picking up. a lot of rain there today, but it's not relative to hurricane bill. there's been tropical storms passing across new york and they brought with them a lot of rain. right now, bill, though, a category 2 hurricane with maximum winds of 105 miles an hour. meteorologist jim cantore joining us live from bermuda. how are thinging looking there? >> reporter: good morning. i wish i was coming to you from a vacation site which is where bermuda is. we have lost our beach, three to four feet of beach erosion gone. with the storm pulling away now, the waves seem to be calm doung a little bit. we have to get through the high tide cycle in the next hour and that's going to break more beach erosion, but not like we had last night. preliminary reports across the island, no major structural damage, a lot of debris, leaves and branches, nothing that's uncommon for a big windstorm.

unofficial gust 95 miles an hour, but all in all, the island has fared well considering the storm was 200 miles away, the center, that's a big wind deal. we're going to be in the tropical storm force winds all day. that may or may not play an issue by the time we get into the afternoon to getting sole of the aircraft here, that's the only way visitors that have flights reserved are able to get out, especially those that wanted to get out yesterday and could not once that airport closed. you can see behind me, fe feroc wave action. even though it's weakening, is it going to move off to the northwest and the all of the waves make their way to the east coast beaches. a dangerous day to be in the surf. what's interesting, look at long-range forecast with bill, it looks like it's going to make its way across the atlantic and later on this week, ireland,

southern england actually threatened with a heck of a big gale coming in later on. we're going to continue to watch bill. >> that's going to make quite the loop. it's a bummer about the beach erosion. elbow beach underwent extensive renovations. that's too bad. the eastern seaboard, worried about this causing havoc with the beaches up and down the east coast? >> reporter: well, what i'm worried about is loss of life, to be honest. people get in the water, think they're more powerful than the waves. one of the nice things beening at these beaches, especially early on where you can -- you have beautiful, blue water, clear water. when the waves were starting to pick up and roll in, you could see the sand being pulled back out. that gives people a hint of the rip current that's developing. when you take that amount of mass and bring it in, it's got to go somewhere. so it comes back out, the weak point, that's what the rip curl area is, and that's what loses lives eventually to swimmers. most east coast beaches don't

have that luxury. but believe plea it is dangerous. the same rip current risk is already on the eastern seaboard. we had people pulled from the beaches yesterday and probably some today. if you can avoid the water and admire from a distance, please do. >> it concerns me, up and down the east coast, when you get into the new england area, all of those rock jetties and people think it's great to get out there and see things and it takes one storm, one tremendous wave, and you've got something catastrophic. >> reporter: yeah, water just didn't disappear when it hits something. it will fine a way to go up. yesterday we had even at low tide water spraying up 40, 50 feet off the rocks here in bermuda. people walk out on the jetties to admire the waves closer and you get this rogue wave that rolls up the beach and the jetty and takes people out. once you're in the water, forget it you don't have a chance because it will pull you out and

pull you into more ferocious waves. >> appreciate the word of caution. jim cantore thanks much. there's a live look at jones beach right now there in new york, where certainly waves are bigger than they have been on average. you're seeing some effect, probably, of hurricane bill but it's going to get a lot bigger. there you go. jones beach right there. still ahead -- more on the weather and other news here on "msnbc saturday." stay with us.

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let's go to politics now and fighting the fiction on health care. lawmakers and lobbyists say the other side is filling people's heads and with myths and mistruths. joining us live, john decker, washington correspondent for reuters. good morning. >> another good morning to you, alex. >> the nerve game here right

now, how nervous is the white house or should the white house be at this point in the whole game about the health care plan? >> well, i think they are nervous. they're nervous because they've lost control of this whole debate. they're on the defense right now. today's youtube address is indicative of that. in addition to that, dissension right now in the house among democrats over what the health care bill should look like once it's voted upon. should it have this so-called public option or not. you have the president's liberal supporters advocating this public option but you have the moderate and conservative house democrats who are saying, that in ford this bill to be voted on successfully in the house it should not have the public option. so the president right now and his team are playing defense. i think they need this break right now to sort of get their heads straight for the upcoming battle in september. >> john, there are some reports, democrats may push through a health care bill in senate by using a rule they say they could pass the bill without the

required 60 veets, majority could do it, not giving the republicans any chance to filibuster, according to a former senate majority leader tom daschle, that may be the only way to get this done using this arcane set of rules to do it. could that backfire? >> this is what's known as the reconciliation process, you just need 51 votes in the house -- sorry in the senate in order to do this. and there's talk right now that what the president may end up doing is to separate this health care bill into two parts and to pass the more expensive, more contentious part first using this process and using the second part of the bill, the less controversial part of the bill, for the second part of the process. i think that the president and his team are looking at this as an option. i think that what they'd like to get is bipartisan support. they've talked about it so much. but right now that seems very unlikely, alex.

>> how much progress is being made by your estimates in this month of august, on either side? any side making progress and getting people to see things more their way? >> well, if you look at public opinion polls, and that's really perhaps one measure to look at whether progress has been made, the president is not doing well. you look at a "the washington post" poll, which indicates that more people over the course of the last two months have lost the kind of confidence in the president's health care push, and this is not a good sign, especially when the president right now has 60-vote majority in the u.s. senate, he's not 80-majority vote in the house of representatives and to be at this point right now is not comforting for the white house. i think that they don't like where they are right now, they're hopefully they can reset the table essentially just in a fews when they come back

from recess. >> john decker, thank you. >> thanks, alex. a boxer from west windsor may be the baddest dog in canada. entered into the naughtiest dog contest and unof the finalist. name it, oscar eats it. >> he'll eat anything. >> anything? >> yeah. >> for example? >> cell phones, baby soothers, all the time. anything he can find, shoes, tv remotes. anything. >> water bottles. if oscar wins, he's going to get free obedience training.

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rip currents. tropical storm force winds of up to 40 miles an hour expected in the next 24 hours. and the resident as long the east coast, they're bracing for surf and rip currents, as hurricane bill nears. it is expected to pass about 220 miles east of nantucket. weather channel meteorologist jeff morrow live in massachusetts. good morning to you. what's it like where you are? >> reporter: all right. alex, you might not be able to see the waves behind me because it is a bit foggy here on cape cod but you can hear it. and the surf has been coming up all during the overnight hours last night and during the day today, as bill approaches. now, bill really hasn't -- hasn't made a move to the east coast. we don't expect it to, as you mentioned. this area hasn't seen a direct hit from a hurricane since early '90s with hurricane bob. bill's staying offshore, we're going to have a lot of wave action. now the water here, i should make the correction, the beaches

aren't closed, you can still walk on beaches, but you can't go in the water and the lifeguards have made that clear, today if you go in the water and they see you, they'll go in the water and tell you you need to get out of the water. some of the surfers have been trying to defy that. waves getting up to 12 feet later, it's going to get dangerous out there. as you mentioned, there's a huge risk of dangerous rip currents. best to stay out of the water. probably the surf will be the major effect though winds could get strong late tonight and early tomorrow morning, as bill races by. maybe up into the tropical storm category. there you can see some folks are down to the edge of the water but probably not going in. and i think that's probably the best thing to do at this point, alex, to stay out of the water though there are a lot of people on the beach just to check out and see how high those waves are. back to you. >> yeah. jeff, we're going between maps there. we saw people on the coastline going between some maps on the projected path of bill. can you have your cameraman, one

more time, go out further, if we can get that shot back unless he has trouble with that? there it is. >> reporter: sure. >> i want to go further. jeff, let's look at the surf. i mean, how is this compared to regular surf, what you're seeing there? is it that significantly greater? >> reporter: i would say it is. can we get the surf at all however here? it's very foggy and hard to see out right now. but i would say it's running about chest-high, that's what the surfers that were out this morning were telling me. i'd guess maft three, four, five feet but it's supposed to get high, maybe as high as 20812 feet, as we head on through the rest of today. obviously that's dangerous and you should probably stay out of the water. the lifeguard, as i mentioned, are telling surfers to get out of the water. >> yeah. >> reporter: and they're not supposed to go in there. a lot of surfers are upset about that, though. >> well, it's what they want to do on a saturday morning but go inside and watch msnbc saturday

and get their news. tell them that. >>. >> reporter: there you go. >> thank you very much. we'll check with you again. for the latest bill updates with that hurricane, go to the weather channel's website at weather.com. authorities in georgia say they're not giving up hope they'll find a georgia mother who mysteriously vanishes a week ago. officials called off the ground search wednesday for 38-year-old christie corn well after eight days of combing through a three-state area for any sign of her. wornwell's boyfriend was talking to her on the phone when he heard her scream, don't take me. the went went dead. cornwell has not been seen since. joining me live, msnbc analyst and former fbi profiler, clint van zandt, author of "facing down evil." good morning. >> hi. >> we talk about christie corn well. the fact that the authorities called off the ground search what does that tell you? >> well, basically, they feel they've searched everywhere

where her body could have been disposed of. in essence, looking for places where show could be alive, cabins, abandoned houses, anything like that, as well as they're looking for body disposal areas, realizing that she was taken in northern georgia, so the speculation she could have been taken up into north carolina, she could have been taken to tennessee. you know, when i look at blogs i see so-called psychics, they say one person took her, two people took her. i mean, there all over the map. some of these people ought to stay out of the way and just let the police conduct an investigation. speculation doesn't help, investigation does. >> okay. the fact that there has not been a body found, clint, i mean we always try to think positively here, do you think that's a good sign? >> well, you know, we're going on, as you say, past two-week mark, going into three weeks. a lot of people think back in that same section of georgia, the meredith emerson, who was a

university of georgia graduate student, who was taken by a two-legged male monster a year ago he held her for four daze before he killed her. gruesome, horrible death that she went through. but even in something like that, i think people took some hope that, well, maybe she, too, could be held someplace by her kidnapper or kidnappers, but you know, two weeks, the clock is ticking and time is really against her surviving. we all know the story, you know, of victims, elizabeth smart, for example, who stayed with her kidnapper for almost a year, alex, that is the rare exception, not the rule. >> okay. talk quickly about her boyfriend. police say they is not a suspect, they ruled him out. that's pretty quick. often times in situations like this, boyfriend, i mean, it's common that you and i talk about them as being suspects or persons of interest. >> sure. and in this particular case, you have to look at her boyfriend,

you have to look at three ex-husbands. but evidently, law enforcement was able to place her where she was kidnapped on her cell phone as you and i know, by the pings on cell phone towers, and they were able to place him in atlanta, based upon the pings on his cell phone. so they were able to say when that conversation took place. they were a significant distance apart. that doesn't rule out some crazy scenario where he would have somebody commit some act for him, but doesn't seem logical. he was on the "today" show the other day, he presented himself as a very honest, decent person, who, like the rest of kristi's family, is concerned and praying to get her back alive. >> let's hope that is the outcome. clint van zandt, thank you very much, again. the fdic is out $3 billion, now that texas-based guarantee bank has been shut down by regulators. guarantees bank is the second largest bank to fail this year,

brought down by investments in real estate lending. they have sole owl deposit to spain's second largest bank marking the first time a foreign bank has bought a failed u.s. bank. it is the first family's first vacation since moving into the white house. president obama, first lady michelle obama and the obama girls heading to martha's vineyard for a ten-day get away. the obamas are set to arrive sunday. anne thompson's in the area there, live in high anise, massachusetts with the last-minute prep for the arrival. they're used to presidents hanging around on martha's vineyard, rarnt tharen't they? >> reporter: they are. the clintons came several times during eight years in the white house. is it a home for many celebrities. you have director spike lee who lives in the oak bluffs area, singer carly simon, singer james taylor, actors ted danson and

maryste burgeon all live there. so it's an island that is used to celebrities. you could say they are as much part of the landscape as the sand dunes there. but despite all of that, the vineyard has a very laid back vibe, and i think that is one of the things that the president and his family are seeking. by all indications, this is going to be a low-key vacation for the obamas. their arrival tomorrow by helicopter will be closed to the public and the press. they have no public events scheduled during the week that they will be there. they are clearly looking for some rest and relaxation and they will find it on the vineyard. now, the obamas have been to the vineyard in the past. their most recent vacation was in 2007, when we were in oak bluffs yesterday, all of the stores, you could see pictures from that last vacation the people took, they put them in the windows, hoping that will attract the obamas back into their places of business. >> okay. we got to get to the rumors,

once again, because people keep asking about them, tiger woods playing a round of golf with the president, a no or go? >> reporter: we know the president is going to play golf. we don't know who he's going to play golf with. >> okay. what about the rumor that the first family set to attend chelsea clinton's wedding? what's true, what's not on that one? >> reporter: you know, nobody -- that's one of those rumors that has just absolutely bubbled up and then was, you know, secretary of state clinton tried to tamp it down. it sprung up earlier this week because former president clinton went to the vineyard to play a round of golf. but there seems to be no truth to that rumor at all, at least from the word that is being put out by the former president's office and the secretary of state's office. >> okay. from the show myth busters -- i'm kidding -- anne thompson in

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article reports ka aidians are coming to the united states to get health care. the article documents a deal that lets canadian residents receive a variety of medical issues from a hospital in michigan. medical writer for the "detroit free press," good morning to you. >> good morning. >> okay, can you explain how this agreement works exactly, how residents of canada can get treatment at u.s. hospitals, particularly those in michigan? >> yes. detroit area hospitals, as well as hospitals in other border cities, have actual arrangements made with the various ministries of health in can do dalada to t overflow, it's more of the -- the most serious health problems, be it cancer and needing a bone marrow transplant for immediate angioplasty for people who have heart attacks on the weekends or at night, when

some hospitals in canada don't have staff 24/7 the way we do here. >> talk about current u.s. health care reform proposals. can you compare that to the health system in place in canada, what are the distinct differences? >> they are distinctly different. there is no discussion, there's nothing on the table in that for a single payer system like what canada has. universal health system. there are people afraid that that could happen, but that is not up for discussion right now. nonetheless, there is a model right over our board that people are looking at and wondering if that's going to happen here and if that's a good thing or a bad thing. >> patricia, if canadian residents are coming to the united states to receive their medical treatment, is this a sign that canada's government-run health care system is not working like it's supposed to? >> there are people who argue that's the case, and there are others who argue that canada is being smart by outsourcing

business by getting -- taking care of business instead of building costly hospitals the way we have a penchant to do in the united states. >> okay. now, i just want to take that a little bit further. canada being smart, but perhaps to the united states' detriment, what's in it for the u.s.? >> the u.s. hospitals are making money off of this. it's a very good arrangement. they're happy to have this business. and they hope these canadians keep coming. what people need to understand is, we have excess capacity. we have hospitals empty all over the united states, some less than half empty, and this is business that we'd like. the other thing that people asking is, if this system of canada's comes to the united states, will we have to outsource? most people think not, there may be waits down the road, but we wouldn't have to outsource because we have this excess capacity in our hospitals. >> okay. hospitals, sometimes, can difficulter from the way

physicians deal with something like this. have youent viewed any of them? and what do they say about this agreement. >> doctors here are in favor of this. i think on the whole they see this is a good solution. but they have the same issues that other people are asking which is if we have more access to health care, given the doctor shortage in america, will people have to wait longer for care? and clearly we know that's the case because that's what happened in massachusetts, the best model for what we might get here in the united states. >> okay. patricia anstett, great interview. i hope you'll talk with us again. >> thank you so much. bye. >> bye to you. ben bernanke's telling wall street invests are what they want to hear, the economy's on the recovery. he gave his most optimistic outlook since the start of the

crisis. joining me, var era givens. >> above 9500. we haven't seen that since back in november. so that's good. a lot of it does have to do with bernanke's comment saying the economy is on the mend, investors took that in stride. globally things are looking better. didn't suggest a recovery will be an upclimb like this. but the market took it in stride, his most optimistic comment in a while. home sales up. investors liked what they saw. >> bernanke might have provide a positive look. the mortgage? >> that's a mess. listen to this statistic, more than 13% of homeowners behind on payments, delinquent on payments or in foreclosure. it's not about the shady loans which kicked off the crisis. one in three new foreclosure, 1 in 3, are fix-rate loans.

what's happening here, you've got the situation about the unemployment rate going higher. people are losing jobs and can't pay their bills so they end up being delinquent. >> what about the data showing that shoppers, they're in lines, consumers? >> this is interesting, too, people are going shopping, they like putting things in the cart but when they get to the checkout line, they are thinking -- >> let's put things back? >> that's they're doing, having t scanner scan things. 20% of shoppers are ditching one item. normal times that number's closer to 10%. online it's higher, 59% of online purchases not made altogether. people are saying, wait a minute, separating their need versus want and saying, i can't do that right now. take it away. >> okay. we're going to have you back, because we can do that. vera gibbons, thank you. tracking the path of hurricane bill, the storm made its closest path to bermuda early this morning. we'll have the latest and a live report ahead on "msnbc saturday."

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the battle over public health care option appears to be losing traction in the senate. congressional democrats and republicans sparring over an alternative, co-ops. advocates say co-ops could achieve goals of a public plan without potential of government interference. live from washington, congressional reporter with politico. good morning. >> good morning. >> okay. co-ops, they're a work in progress but how would they work? >> well, they're nonprofit alternatives to the government-run public option. essentially they would be owned and operated by the consumers. they could essentially buy into the regional cooperative. you know, like you said, a lot of the negotiations are still being worked out, but what they're going to try to do, under the finance committee negotiations, which is serious considering this idea, to have an individual mandate so everyone would be required to

buy into and have insurance for, you know, earth through existing employers or through this nonprofit al teternative. it's unclear whether or not these co-ops survive these closed-door negotiations happening with the finance committee because there's been a fair amount of resistance so far, both on the left and the right to this idea. >> and din from the public option that many democrats are pushing for, how so? >> they're nonprofit al tentative. this is not going to be a public insurance option that the government would essentialingly subsidize and, you know, operate. this would not have, you know, this idea that kent conrad, democrat from north dakota, advocating, you could have -- if you are a consumer, you could buy into the regional cooperative and it would be owned and operated by the consumers. i mean that's the general

framework that they're talking. it's a question about whether or not they actually put the meat on the bones and advance this. >> you've got the democratic senators, you mentioned, kent conr conrad. how about republicans seeing this jumping on board with this? >> no, i don't. some senators are open to looking at idea but you have members like jon kyl, the number two republican in the senate, a strong signal this week called it trojan horse to a public plan. they don't really buy how this program would work. and i think it's because there aren't that many details so it's allowing opponents to define it as a government takeover, what they've been arguing all along about the public plan. they see it as one in the same. it's hard to see how many more votes this gets because, like i said earlier, not only are republicans concerned about this, but a lot of people on the left who don't like this idea at all and really are fighting for public option. >> okay. mortgage discussion about co-ops

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