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good morning, everyone. right now on msnbc, as public and private tributes continue to pour in for senator kennedy the focus quietly turns to who should fill his seat. pirates off the coast of somalia fire at a u.s. navy helicopter but they miss. how will the u.s. military respond? we're following that. we've got breaking news. is governor mark sanford buckling under pressure? we expect to hear from him literally in moments. we'll put the spotlight on other governors who could be shown the door in the next six to 12 months. i'm carlos watson with a terrific show coming your way this hour. massachusetts attorney general potential replacement joins us, another person who figures prominently, former congressman

meehan, columnist joe lawrence joins us. we're also joined by retired u.s. army jack jacob. we begin with breaking news, though. at least 18 people are dead after a bomb blast along the pakistan-afghanistan border. a suicide bomber approached a security opponent on foot and detonated explosives. also developing this hour in california, hundreds of firefighters are battling two wildfires in southern california today. millions of nearby residents are being warned about the toxic air levels. fires in the san gabriel mountains near los angeles, 10 to 20% contained. both under investigation. an 11-year-old lake tahoe girl who went missing may be alive. on the left you'll see the picture of 11-year-old girl abducted in '91. on the right is a computer generated image of what she might look like today. the girl's stepfather said his wife is 90% sure that a woman that came forward claiming to be here will be positively

identified. her mother is heading to california to meet with the woman who could, in fact, be her long missing daughter. new information from the national hurricane center about tropical storm danny. elevated surf and rip currents are expected from florida through new england this weekend. we've got details straight ahead. now in less than an hour the kennedy family will hold a private mass at the senator's cape cod home. they are taking turns standing vigil never leaving their patriarch alone. they will get a chance to pay respects as well. peter alexander is outside kennedy compound in hyannis port, massachusetts. peter, what's the latest? >> carlos, good morning to you. we are told by those who have been inside with the kennedys over the last 24 hours this is a private, emotional, quiet, spiritual celebration as the family gathers for what will be the time they finally lay. this lion of the senate, lion of american history to rest. within the last half an hour or

so we got in new video we shot on nantucket sound. we will show that to you. this as best we can tell robert fitzgerald kennedy jr. and max kennedy, two of the late senators nephews taking some of their relatives out for a boat ride as they are passing the mya. this is a spectacular day, the type of day ted used to enjoy riding his mya on the beautiful waters yesterday. to honor him nantucket light ship late in the evening lit a beacon to honor his life and service to this country. today at noon the motorcade -- there will be a private mass held inside the kennedy family home. at 12:30. it's been moved up 30 minutes from what we had initially been told of the motorcade will begin travel, carlos, 70 miles to boston. should take them an hour and 15 minutes. this will be a historic root they will take, passing through not just hyannis port.

the mayor will toll the bell 47 times to honor his year in the senate, finally arriving at john f. kennedy presidential museum. he will lie in state beginning today open to the public to visit. we're told members of the kennedy family will be there to greet guests as they did for eunice kennedy shriver two weeks ago when she was laid to rest. inside stephen smith center where the casket will lay, we're told among the people who may be there to greet the visitors will be vicki, vicki kennedy, of course the beloved wife of teddy kennedy. >> peter alexander in hyannis port, thanks so much. we'll continue to talk to you throughout the day. hard to overstate kennedy's accomplishments in the senate. he wrote 2500 bill, 300 laws bear his name. more on kennedy and the gaping hole he brings to the political landscape let's bring in our panel.

white house spokesman savannah guthrie. good to see you. an nbc news contributor. the co-author of the lion, fall and rise of ted kennedy, staff writer for the boston glob magazine, been involved in kennedy kompbl quite a bit. good to see you both. what has not been said so far. a lot of powerful words said about ted kennedy and his legacy. tell me a thing or two that's not been said that you think is significant and meaningful as we look forward and not just back. >> i think the human element of ted kennedy. the differences between him and his brothers, you get them lumped together, ted with bobby and jack. they really were different animals, political animals in that way. ted kennedy saw human connections with the bills you were referring to, the author of 2500 bills, 300 that became law, major bills. but for him they were the personal connections and the personal calls that he would make to people and how he needed to identify the people with the

legislation. >> savannah, we saw rush limbaugh, among others, sean hannity as well, begin in fact to criticize the notion that some democrats would call on other democrats to support ted kennedy's legacy and pass health care reform. do you expect that call will be made more formally for democrats and even some republicans? if so, do you think it will be effective? do you think he will have a gipper like opportunity? i have to ask you to hang on one moment. mark sanford is speaking, lieutenant governor has formally called on him to resign. sanford rejected that yesterday but we're going to hear what he has to say right now. >> i wanted to very briefly offer a couple of comments in light of a letter that we sent, our office sent back to david thomas yesterday. it really fits in this larger category of the response i gave yesterday to andrew bowers

letter to my office in which in that letter i basically said two things. i said, one, let's not make decisions based on hyperbole, media accounts. let's make decisions on facts. two, when one looks at facts we have a compelling record in terms of watching out for the taxpayer. that's what i said in that letter to the lieutenant governor. in this letter that i have -- where is that letter? i want to hand it out in just a moment to david thomas i'll hand it out in just a second. basically a lot of what i talked about yesterday applies here, where in yesterday i said the original moral failure i described in june was my failure. consequence of past future and present tense. we're working through that as a family. this other, these different, quote, investigations or some of the media accounts, it's pure

politics. and you know, if you look at sort of where people are coming from, some people think it's in their best interest to drum up some of what's going on because they think it will help them climb the next ladder in politics. for some folks, payback time they don't like where we've come from on restructuring or spending. payback time, with all due respects to some of my dear folks in the media, for some folks they thought it would help sell papers. whatever the category is, what we've got to look at are simple facts. what i would regretfully say when you begin to look at what we've been looking at with senator thomas's so-called investigation, it fits more in that notion of an investigation in search of an agenda as opposed to simply the truth. some folks their friends have said, he's still upset about the fact you took him off his chair, it's a matter of pride.

used to be the way the system worked in south carolina, as a legislator, you could actually set up a non-profit, steer state funds into that non-profitv a special non-profit, put yourself as chair of that non-profit. and what we've said is, no, you can't do that. you can't set up something that you pour money into and be chair of. some people are upset about that. some people, i suppose many more have said, look, he wants to raise his name id by keeping this kind of thing up and going. again, i won't assign to anybody a motive, but what i will say, this idea of running for congress and building up a name id in this action is no way to run for congress. so what i have here in this letter are a couple different things. if there was a serious investigation going on, what he

would have discovered is over the last 25 years, there have been a full 230 business class tickets have been purchased by the department of commerce and by different state entities. he would have discovered that governors campbell and beasley and hodges over the last 25 years have taken first class or business class trips. what he would have discovered is that not just the governors but the secretary of commerce have traveled in that same fashion. what he would have discovered, not only that but staff in many instances have traveled in that same fashion. there's something wrong with selective outrage. it's okay to say i don't agree with this or that but pass over 25 years of history and say it's been the current practice for 25 years but we're going to be outraged just in this one instance. there's something wrong with

that. if he would have done a real investigation, a whole lot more than business class tickets have been purchased, in some cases flights across the atlantic on the concord were purchased. already in today's paper, the greenville paper, well, no, i need to come back to get back the confederate flag, pull it down from the state house dome. well, we went and found the confederate flag wasn't until the following day. that, in fact, a private jet was sent to jfk to fly the then governor -- not trying to pick on the then governor, i'm only trying to point out there's a larger context to what's going on here, a private jet to fly after you get off the concord, send a private jet to fly you all the way back to columbia. how is that watching out for the taxpayer? if he was serious about watching out for the taxpayer rather than propelling an agenda, i think he

would have discovered those types of things. again, i'll leave it for the actual record, the confederate flag wasn't pulled until the following day. what he would have discovered is amazingly members of his own subcommittee have flown business class on state travel. mind you -- >> we're listening to governor mark sanford of south carolina again pushing back on those who would have him resign, including his republican lieutenant governor that said for the good of the state sanford should resign. sanford says no way. we'll be back in just a moment. not just looking back but looking forward. we'll be joined by the woman who wrote the cover story. live in the studio by white house correspondent savannah guthrie, joined by neil swidey. most for headaches.

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welcome back. jill lawrence from politics daily.com joins us live from washington. joined in person by neil swidey who wrote a fantastic book," the last lion." normally savannah guthrie in washington. i'll start with you. when we left, whether or not ted kennedy's passing, rush limbaugh and other conservatives worried out loud rather bluntly that they would use that to pass the health care others opposed. do you think the legacy, positive memory, fond feelings across the aisle will help president obama pass this health care bill? >> i think it might have an effect early on changing the tone, not necessarily substance. what happens is a line of taste

that cannot be seen as exploiting the death of ted kennedy for political gain, even if it was the cause of his life. in terms of his legacy, with how it goes forward with the house debate, one thing he was good at was marshalling fellow democrats. not just reaching across the aisle as he did but also getting the caucus together. it seems that is what is called for at this moment more than anything other. the white house hopes there will ab bipartisan deal. the hopes for that dim by the day. ultimately about coraling democrats. the spirit of ted kennedy will be needed there. >> i want to ask you about the rest of the family. we obviously heard so much about recent brothers. we heard recently about eunice. talk to me about that next generation. there have been those who wondered out loud whether we will see political superstars emerge from the next generation of kennedys. are there those to keep an eye on or will emerge in the next

several years. >> there are those in elected office, kathleen townsend. >> nobody has broken the other side. nobody has broken into the senate or governorship or cabinet level or certainly a presidential run. >> i think there's real questions about the caliber of the next generation and the interest level. because many of them have found more success in public service without elected office and the baggage that comes with that. i keep going back to this idea that when ted kennedy was first running for senate in 1962, no one took him seriously. neither of his brothers wanted him to run. he emerged as this patriarch. you don't know what will happen. >> jill lawrence, what do you think will happen? where will the kennedy political legacy go from here? again, as neil pointed out there have been several members like kathleen kennedy townsend, even bobby kennedy's son who served in congress, but where do you

think the kennedy political legacy ongoes from here? >> it's very unsure whether anyone is going to have the ambition, the drive and the will to get as high as the three brothers got. there's some talk about robert kennedy in new york, the environmental lawyer, but he hasn't thrown his hat in any ring, hasn't run for anything yet. we just had a kennedy in chicago not run for senate. the family sacrificed so much for public service. a lot of these people have been unsuccessful or found success in other ways. they are very happy to tell you about all the public service they are doing, that's what they consider the family legacy to be. >> lest we forget they have been rebuffed. caroline kennedy wanted to serve in the senate earlier this year and didn't have the opportunity to replace hillary clinton. >> the absence of joe kennedy,

the original, the father, he is the one who laumpbled all three of the boys and their candidacies and his absence, i think, has been felt going back to the '60s. i mean, his was the image of the kennedys as the pinnacle of public servants, the next generation, the discipline that comes with that and impetus behind that is not there. >> really almost like a coach, you can help others move forward. have to leave it there, jill lawrence, neil, savannah, thank you so much a quick break, back in a mom. still to come, pirates attacking navy chopper in the seas off somalia. how will military respond. trouble in the atlantic. tropical storm danny gains steam as it targets the northeast united states. will it wreck your weekend. mark sanford may not be the only governor teetering on the edge. more around the country. you're watching "msnbc live."

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alone. no? >> no, that's not the case. in fact, there have been a lot of attacks. more than 130 attacks this year alone. so it wasn't just those efforts that we saw back in april that shut them down. they have been still very active. the picture that was released today by the u.s. navy they say shows one of their helicopters being shot at by pirates prosecute a hijacked vessel. they are using high-caliber weapons. you can see them there, the dark figures. the video is a little fuzzy. this isn't the first time a helicopter or u.s. helicopter has been shot out by pirates. of course doing its daily patrols as part of a multinational force in the gulf of aiden right now trying to stop these pirates. interestingly the ship is the taiwanese vessel, the same ship hijacked back in april. it's the same ship the pirates that attacked the uss "maersk alabama" used as a staging ship. >> what about the government? are they not going after one of

their ships that has been captured? and as you suggest, captured for quite a while here. >> it's a difficult situation. going in and trying to get these ships ow. some of these ships are hijacked and the shipment held hodge for months, because it's difficult to extract the pirates and save the crew and the cargo. oftentimes what happens, companies are using -- shipping companies are paying off the pirates because that's the easiest and safest way to resolve the situation. that's why it continues to go on because it's such lucrative business for these pirates. >> stephanie gosk in london, thank you so much. just in to msnbc, new information about tropical storm danny. nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, i'm messing up your name. here with the weather channel forecast. we understand danny is behaving actually differently than what's predicted. what is that? >> it's not behaving. hurricane bill was simple. easy forecast. we were right on the whole time. this one is being a pain.

it's a head scratcher, which makes it fun for us but a little unpredictable. let me explain. this is what a tropical storm looks like with no thunderstorms over the top of it. see the swirl here in the satellite imagery, all the thunderstorms are 200 miles to the right of the storm. this storm is moving pretty much due west over the last six hours. it's supposed to be moving like this to the north northwest. it's not exactly doing what we thought it was going to do. anything could happen from here on out. it hasn't strengthened, looks a little weaker. all our computers are telling us this in general is what the storm will do. up parallel to the east coast, to the gulf of maine, canadian marathon. a couple takes it near cape cod. computers telling us it's supposed to go north northwest. it hasn't done that we'll wait and see. this is one of those unpredictable storms. a chance later this afternoon tropical storm watches could go up for areas around the carolina

coastlines, if it continues that drift towards the west. we'll track it for you. the good news, this is not a big, bad hurricane. it's just an annoyance right now. >> august can be a difficult month. thank you so much. you can keep track of the track to the u.s., go to msnbc.com. coming up, who, hskt, will fill the senate seat of edward kennedy. the scene last night at fenway park where kennedy's beloved boston red sox paid tribute to one of the most loyal fans. you're wachlg "msnbc live." (announcer) before they give you the lowest price,

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welcome back to "msnbc live." let's fast forward through the top headlines we're following at the moment. more fireworks, in fact, at another town hall meeting on health care. arizona senator john mccain met

with a rowdy crowd, sometimes angry, in fact, that demanded answers on proposed legislation. one woman was escorted out after she refused to stop yelling. you see it there. separate case, murdered swimsuit model of jasmine fiore, vehicle impounded to look for additional clues in the murder. it's believed she may have been killed in the car. michael vick back in court for a bankruptcy hearing. vick makes his debut tonight during a preseason game against the jacksonville jaguars. we'll see how he does. an hour from now, a motorcade carrying ted kennedy's casket is expected to leave cape cod and travel 70 miles to the john f. kennedy presidential library in boston where ted kennedy will lie in repose. thousands of every day citizens are expected to line up to pay respect to the fallen senator. nbc's ann thompson is live outside the jfk library. ann, good to have you join us

here. are we expecting heavy turnout for ted kennedy, 47 year senator? >> i think they are expecting thousands will come here to pay their respects over the next two days, carlos. there's no official estimate at this time but we can see a lot of police presence here. they have parking lots cordoned off for media and dignitaries. they have other parking lots set up for the general public expected to come to this point. in dorchester, the jfk library, to pay their respects to edward kennedy, who as you said was senator for massachusetts for 47 years. before the hearse and his coffin and the family get here, though, they will take what amounts to a sentimental journey through the streets of boston. they are expected to leave the kennedy compound about 12:30. it will take them about 90 minutes to get up here. when they arrive in boston they will first head to the north end. the motorcade will go past st.

stephens church where the senator's mother rose was baptized and where her funeral mass was celebrated. and then they will move on to samuel hall, which is where senator kennedy declared for the president in 1980. mayor of boston will ring a bell 47 times, each time to signify one of his years of service as u.s. senator. the motorcade will pass by rose fitzgerald greenway where his mother played as a child and the office he held, he first had in boston at 122 bowden street. it will then come here and the body will lie in repose from 6:00 tonight until 11:00 for general viewing. that is when we expect to see thousands of people not just from massachusetts but we anticipate from around the new england area to come and pay their respects.

carlos. >> anne thompson, thank you so much. it marks the second time a kennedy hasn't represent add state on capitol hill. the only other time, 1961 and '62 when jfk's seat was vacated when kennedy claimed it. host of the ed show on msnbc. good to see you. >> good to see you, carlos. >> what do you expect to happen? it's been a long time since kennedy wasn't in that seat. do you expect bobby's son, joe kennedy, who previously served in congress from the cambridge area will ultimately take that seat? >> it doesn't appear they are going to follow the wishes of senator ted kennedy. there appears to be an election, which i think is healthy. there's nothing wrong with that. this is a time for maybe a young democrat, maybe not a kennedy, maybe a kennedy, to step up and show leadership and go through the process. i think the governor of massachusetts has been very clear he would support it if he

had legislative help on this. >> support add change that allowed him to appoint someone. >> exactly. but he doesn't have the legislative support. that may be a fight he doesn't want to take on. the will of the people has got to lay out. it would seem to me people of massachusetts would be vocal about what they would like on. since everybody is holding town hall meetings and vocal, this should not be hard to figure out. >> very interesting 12 months in terms of appointment to the senate. we saw in new york here that a kennedy, member of the kennedy family, caroline kennedy wanted to end up in the senate. >> there was a public vetting process on that. >> she did not. we saw what happened in illinois, continue to watch that situation there. also even in colorado, interesting situation there. in each of those cases i point them out because the person who early on was the front-runner didn't end up in that seat, at least via appointment. >> the name of the game in politics today is grassroots. that's it. i think america has got an

appetite that is dwindling away when it comes to the heir apparent. we want some real folks in there, number one, who wants the job. there's no entitlement. there's a real ernest effort to show they want to represent the people. an election in massachusetts would probably be the right way to go. i think the legislators have got their pulse on it. if they really wanted to change it -- to change it just for health care i think is the wrong thing to do. look, health care in this country is going to get passed one a or another because it's going to be good for the country. not because senator kennedy was behind it. obviously he was a powerful force, an advocate for decades. everybody knows that. it might motivate people to work harder, pay attention. this is going to get passed because it's good for the country, not because a senator may have worked on it or wanted it. >> we've only got 30 seconds. where else in terms of policy or important political dynamics do

you think senator kennedy will be missed. health care is an obvious one. >> i'm going to remember him, i think many americans will remember him for civil rights. 1964 was a volatile time in this country and he was willing to stand up for the rights of people, which i think signatures ted kennedy's career right there. he spoke for those who needed a voice. he spoke for those who didn't have a voice. many times he was willing to go against the tide, against the stream to make sure those voices were heard. >> i'll tell you, on the civil rights question, i was more impressed in the '70s, '80s and anyone 90s. you recall the boston busing crisis was really a racial showdown in many ways, and a class showdown, which was as difficult as any. in many ways he stood tall on that. we saw him on the question of immigration in the '80s. i remember being in college when the question of reauthorizing the civil rights act came up. he was very strong at a time when republicans were almost all powerful. carlos, i really do believe the '64 civil rights act and the

way he signatured that, out there on the forefront set the table for him to do other things. it was a credibility issue, they knew he was a strong advocate. when ted kennedy stepped up and said something about an issue, notice how often his initial take was normally the correct take. a lot of democrats followed his lead. i think this is really an undertalked about story right now, who picks up the leadership torch. who will be that person that democrats and liberals in this country turn to. okay. this is what the house leader said, what the house majority leader said, the senate majority leader said, yeah, but what did ted say. >> you know what i'm going to do? pat you on the back. it might be the ed schultz so. not just people in office but out of office as well. tune in to ""the ed show."" joining us from boston attorney general martha coakly. attorney general, good to have

you with us. >> good morning. >> you're one of the people who has been spoken about in a positive way as a potential replacement for senator kennedy, someone who could serve with distinction in the senate. is that something people have talked to you about and something you'd consider? >> we've taken the position in the last few months and certainly today that as we've watched senator kennedy and certainly join with his family in morning and looking at what we can celebrate about his life, it's just not appropriate to comment on that today so i'm not going to go there with you. >> attorney general coakly, talk to me about your interactions with senator ted kennedy. how did you first come to know him and were there particular issues you worked on together that, in fact, might surprise people. there are certain issues he's well-known for. perhaps there are issues you two intersected on you might want to

share. >> let me first say my entrance to politics in 1998, when i ran for district attorney, the first person who called me when i knew i won the primary was ted kennedy. i have to say as someone new to politics at the time, i was pretty impressed with that. what has always impressed me about the snow, though, is that connection and we've heard over the last several days and, in fact, last several years, his approach to constituents, ability to work through for individual people or families or problems, m's the dean of all the elected officials in massachusetts. whether you are speaker of the house or on the town committee in smaller towns. ted knew who everybody was. he was incredibly encouraging to them. he called on elections and would say what can i do? how can i help? that's the piece everybody will miss. we depended on him and turned to him for help. he knew what we were doing and cared about what all the elected

officials in massachusetts were up to. >> what about on criminal justice issues? you obviously serve as attorney general of the commonwealth of massachusetts. how engaged was he with you on some of those issues. >> i'm sorry. i think i've lost the feed here. >> attorney general coakly, can you hear me yet? we'll leave it there for now. that was massachusetts attorney general martha coakly speaking of her remembrances of senator ted kennedy. in fact saying the first time she won a primary for office in 1998, the first person she heard from was senator kennedy. coming up, rules of engagement on the high seas. why didn't the u.s. navy return fire when, in fact, it was fired on by pirates off the coast of somalia. colonel jack jacobs joining us in a moment. you're watching "msnbc live." show and tell

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turned into a one-way shootout with pirates. what you're going to watch soon is video from navy showing somali pirates firing on a u.s. navy helicopter. it all happened in the gulf of aiden. colonel jack jacob is here to discuss the protocol u.s. military follows when it's attacked by pirates. colonel jacobs, why did we not return fire when the pirates sitting on a taiwanese ship they hijacked fired. >> the answer, the someone he's ship. one of the reasons we don't fire back, we don't want to cause any harm to the ship which doesn't belong us and we certainly don't want to endanger the lives of the crew. the rules of engagement look something like this. we will not fire back unless there is an imminent threat to our own crew for them to be either killed or captured. so we just stay away. >> what's the likelihood these pirates have sophisticated enough weapons it could be hit the helicopter and could have done damage, even taken the helicopter out of the sky.

>> the range between the helicopter and pirate ship was about 3,000 meters. it sounds like it's a long way but for large caliber aircraft weapons that's not far enough to stay out of danger. the possibility is, it's entirely possible the aircraft could have been taken down. very dangerous out there with these guys. most of the time they have small arms and automatic weapons, some times they have bad stuff. >> let's decide the navy decided it was imminent danger. how would they go about fire? is it fantasy like on tv or -- >> the use of the helicopter's weapons system which includes not only machine guns but hail fire missiles, likelihood they wouldn't use that but use machine guns to rake the deck of the ship. however, it could be that the navy would then subsequent decide to mount some sort of special operation and maybe even

try to get the ship back. >> when you say operating, put some of their guys in the water and get ultimately aboard the ship. >> well, you recall we got our guys back, remember we got some of our guys back from a ship that had been hijacked and we killed the pirates. >> right. >> that was all done by seals actually and we'd do the same thing in this case if we thought there was a threat. >> colonel jacobs we'll leave it there and turn to breaking news. you're looking live at a chemical fire in detroit. it pro out minutes ago at sterling oil and chemical company near i-75. fire officials said there are evacuations in the immediate area. you see it right now. not pretty at all. thick black smoke. again, a chemical fire breaks out at a detroit plant. again, there's an immediate evacuation going on in the area. we'll continue to follow that

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welcome back to "msnbc live." joining me on the phone is chancellor marty meehan. he served as a congressman for massachusetts from 1993 to 2007. congressman meehan, good to have you join us. >> great to be with you. >> congressman meehan, how did you first to know ted kennedy. and when you think about him, are there a couple of things that stand out for you that not many people have mentioned yet? are there areas or political dynamics that captured your attention and that you remember today? >> well, i first got to know h him, obviously, as a kid, and you grow up in a large, irish catholic family in massachusetts as i did, you know, the

kennedys, you always applauded the kennedys. when ted kennedy would speak, i would go to see him. i guess i first got involved as a delegate to the 1980 democratic convention. that's where senator kennedy gave that fantastic speech. he was not successful, but i got to know him there. i have to say, getting elected to the congress in 1993, you know, you would go to delegation meetings and the big, booming voice of ted kennedy would be center stage. he was really a people person. he was generous with his time and generous, great guy to work, because he was so effective. i guess the other thing that, you know, so much has been said over the last few days, but what i thought was extraordinary, the way he reached out to anyone who had tragedies, or death within their families. i think of 9/11, i don't think there's a political leader

anywhere in america that reached out, individually, to more families than he did. and when he reached out to somebody who had been the victim of a tragedy in their family and talked about how he could identify with them, it really meant something. whether it was a mother who lost a soldier or whether it was, you know, a son who lost his father, he was really good at reaching out to people who were in need. congressman marty meehan, former congressman marty meehan, now president of the university of massachusetts. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your taking the time. i now turn finally to today's "c" note. my thought for the day, obviously, on the passing of the senate legend and icon ted kennedy. the son of a political junkie grew up to listening to great speeches, either live or on tape, and to this very day can still recite ted kennedy's eulogy for his brother, bobby. so it stands out in so many days. but there were a couple of additional things about ted

kennedy's legacy i wanted to remember today. one, as much as he did on the domestic front, all that he did on the international front, whether that was helping refuse nixon the former soviet union. whether that was helping break the back of apartheid in south africa, or even whether that was broadening immigration roles here in the u.s., beginning in the mid-60s, such that many of our friends and family that we see today, from different parts of the role, are here today in no small part because of ted kennedy's work on that question. what also stands out to me, i think so often what distinguishes someone, whether in business, politics, sports, elsewhere, is the people's careers they've helped launched. and when you think about ted kennedy, you've got to talk about supreme court justice, stephen breyer. or a former senator, like john culver, who was formerly on his staff and was a college roommate his. or you've got to think from antonio hernandez to melody barnes, who is now president

obama's white house assistant. now the most powerful thing that can be said, not only was he one of the most impactful senators, but you would have to say that ted kennedy had a greater impact than some of the 44 people who have been fortunate enough to serve in the white house. i'll leave it there. my memory, my prayers go out to the kennedy family as a whole. that does it for me this hour. i'm carlos watson. dr. nancy snyderman picks up our coverage from here. nancy, i know you'll be talking about senator kennedy and i assume there'll be other topics as well. what do you have coming up? >> we'll talk about the life and death of senator kennedy and who's going to take the lead on health care reform? the kennedy family is gathering today to mourn beginning what is three days of public and private tributes. and really turning gears, we're going to look at swine flu and the impact that could have on american hospitals. and here's one for you, carlos. women and testosterone. can that simple hormone make a difference as to how

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