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eight years later, thenation remembers the thousands of lives lost on september 11th. no passage of time and no dark skies can ever dull the meaning of this moment. so on this solemn day, at this sacred hour, once more we pause, once more we pray, as a nation and as a people. plus, we will take you to the front lines in afghanistan. will it take more u.s. troops to win? plus, al qaeda, are they still a major threat? later, the coast guard conducted a training exercise on

the potomac today not that far from the pentagon memorial service. bad timing. plus, standoff. >> i will not be muzzled. i will speak up and speak loudly against this risky plan. >> republican congressman joe wilson not backing down, but neither are the house democrats who are threatening action if they don't get an apology on the house floor. plus, into thin air, the bride-to-be who vanished just days before her wedding. investigators at a yale still don't know what happened. and the house for sale in chicago. it's a your chance to live next door to the first family. we will with explain. good afternoon, everybody, good afternoon, tamron. i'm david schuster live in washington. >> good afternoon, david. i'm tamron hall, live in new york. the big picture, 9/11, eight years later. the country marks the terror attacks in new york, washington, d.c. and pennsylvania with memorials familiar but still very painful, as family members

and so many others pay tribute to those who lost their lives. president obama observed his first 9/11 as this nation's leader. the president and the first lady have a moment of silence at the white house before attending a ceremony at the pentagon. >> eight septembers have come and gone. nearly 3,000 days have passed, almost one for each of those taken from us. >> we will never waiver in pursuit of al qaeda and its extremist allies, we will never falter. >> amid all the 9/11 remembrances, a coast guard training exercise sparked a lot of confusion and alarm. the drill was conducted on the potomac river near the bridge that president obama's motorcade crossed over on his way to the pentagon memorial. reagan national airport even stopped departing flights for a short time as a precaution. coast guard officials defended the decision to hold its training exercise today. >> this was a routine,

low-profile routine training exercise that happened, the radio intercept generated intense media coverage and interest, take a good hard look at what we did here today and ensure that if we need to modify procedures, if we need to modify notificati notification, we will do so in the future. >> nbc's pete williams joins us live from washington as well as nbc news terrorism analyst michael sheehan, former deputy commissioner of counterterrorism for the new york city police department, also a former state department ambassador for counterterrorism. pete, like to start off with you, a lot of people heard this news and sounded like a perfect storm of events, the president in the area, this exercise happening, as we mentioned and all know, today 9/11. now you have got at least one organization calling for a further investigation of what happened. >> there will be an investigation or a report on what happened. the secretary of homeland security, janet napolitano, the coast guard reports to her, the coast guard asked for one. what we were told here this was

a regularly scheduled exercise. the coast guard does these several times a week. and one of two things happened, either no one said, you know, maybe we shouldn't do this today while the president's crossing the river on the anniversary of 9/11 with the event to at the pentagon or someone said, it doesn't matter, we should do it anyway, we are far enough away. it wasn't the exercise itself, it was the fact that there were four boats zipping around in the water pretending to intercept a boat, but at the same time, on an open frequency, they were talking about it, saying that the boat wasn't stopping. someone to on the radio, part of the ex-er side said "bang, bang, bang". this was heard by someone at cnn. cnn went on the air or its cable broadcast, 10:04 and said shots had been fired on the river. based on that report, the faa temporarily stopped outbound flights at national airport for about 20 minutes it deblade 17 flights from their departure. they all eventually took off and

operations resumed. as you heard the chief of staff of the coast guard saying they have -- they see no need to apologize but they are going to go back and see whether this was such a good idea or not. we have asked cnn whether there was a statement with this reporting and we haven't heard back from them. >> thank you very much. bring michael into the conversation. despite the confusion happening there with the the coast guard that kind of exercise and training that is the new world that we live in as a result of what happened eight years a ago today. >> absolutely. perhaps there is justification of the review of the coast guard procedures there i worry if this overreaction to a training exercise may throw a bucket of cold water on them, need to be ex-er siding, needs to be practicing, perhaps a day the president is traveling, need heavy presence on the potomac. i think this investigation also all the to look at some of the media reaction to this may have overoverreacted and caused a shut down of the nation

airports. >> let's talk about the nation security, you see the coast guard training, people wonder, especially today are we safer eight years later and every year today we ask that question is there a true answer? i think, yes, tamron, sent safer. for eight years, put the enormous weight on al qaeda, from the united states reaching across, partnerships around the world to afghanistan into pakistan pummelling that organization, knocking off operatives and dim minute not guilty nishing their capacity over years. they remain a resilient and dangerous organization, keep the full court pressure on them, everything from boats in the potomac river, operations in the mountains of pakistan, we can keep them at bay hopefully the next eight years. >> michael ask, you something pete pointed out, the faa, because of cnn reporting, decided to close down national airport for 20 minutes. might be strange that the faa has to rely on media reports for

a decision pretty serious like that does that strike you as odd, isn't some way for the faa, the government to communicate with itself without having to base decisions based on preliminary reports in the news needed ya? good question, david, but this world of cable television and instant news, where the news is on the generated by the news media ahead of the government, agencies will react what they hear on the news, this case with an abundance of caution, they shut down some flights, i think this review should look at cnn's procedures on checking its story before it goes live. but the fact of the matter is agencies will react to television's broadcasts and make decisions and often they will defer and take the more conservative, more cautious approach and that is exactly what happened today. >> thank you, michael, very much, for joining us today. we appreciate t. tamron, certainly underscores the responsible that all broadcasters have. any case, now the bigger picture today what exactly is the stat it us it of al qaeda in the war in afghanistan continues, of

course, eight years after u.s. forces first began trying to dismantle the taliban and eliminate al qaeda leaders. by the end of this year, 68,000 american troops will be in afghanistan, an all-time high president obama is facing concerns from within his own party about the future of the war that continues to lose public support. the democratic chair of the armed services committee just returned from afghanistan. senator carl levin, democrat from michigan says, he is against sending more combat forces until afghan security forces are better trained and more equipped. >> the best way to succeed in afghanistan is to take major steps to strengthen and support the afghan army and police so they can take principal responsibili responsibility for their own national security and progress? >> where do things stand now in

the hunt for al qaeda and the pentagon? nbc's correspondent, jim miklaszewski, reports. >> reporter: nearly eight years after the president declare the u.s. would get osama bin laden, dead or alive, bush is out of office, and bin laden is still out there somewhere. he is the world's most wanted, yet most elusive fugitive. shortly after 9/11, the u.s. military had osama bin laden cornered at tora bora in afghanistan. but somehow, he managed to slip through a massive bombing campaign and has been on the loose ever since. on the run in a remote tribal regions of western pakistan, bin laden still led al qaeda's reign offer to. in july, 2005, al qaeda suicide bombers struck london's subways and buses, killing 56. over several years, al qaeda bombings killed thousands in iraq. as bin laden was forced deep near hiding in pakistan, al qaeda offshoots went to on a killing spree in places like iraq, yemen and somalia.

and while they no longer are calling the shots, bin laden and his number two, amman al zawahiri repaint inspirational leaders of al qaeda. >> to get amman al zawahiri or bin laden, we need someone to make a mistake or stumble on them. >> al qaeda's leader in iraq was killed in iraq and the past year, a bombing campaign by cia predator drones in pakistan have kill nod less than ten of al qaeda's top leaders, crippling al qaeda's ability to recruit, raise money or carry out large-scale terrorist attacks. counter terrorism officials warn, however that while al qaeda may not be able to launch an attack on the scale of 9/11 today, it remains a potentially deadly force. john brennan is the president's top aide on counterterrorism. >> nevertheless, al qaeda has prove -- proven to be adaptive and highly resilient and remains

the most serious terrorist threat we face as a nation. >> reporter: then how important is it that the u.s. kill or capture osama bin laden? >> be a very big moral victory and it closes one of the chapters of 9/11. once bin laden is dead, that doesn't mean al qaeda is eliminated it just mean it is their senior leadership has suffered a significant blow. >> reporter: on this anniversary of 9/11 there is increasing concern among senior pentagon and military officials about a recent dramatic shift in public opinion against the war in afghanistan. and concerns that congress may, in fact, try to force the white house to either withdraw american forces from afghanistan or not re-enforce them sufficiently to carry on the fight, raising fears that afghanistan could once more become a safe haven for al qaeda. tamron, david? >> jim, thank you very much. you can all check out our website at msnbc.com for complete coverage of 9/11, eight years later. you will find an interactive session on the world trade center site as it is now, which

actually hasn't made that much progress and also an update on ten people whose stories gripped the world in the aftermath of the terror attacks. in our next hour, we will be joined by former new york governor george pataki, talk to him about the rebuilding problems at ground zero and yes says that possible's jeopardizing security of the united states. that will be a feisty interview. also, talk to a massachusetts woman who lost her husband in the world trade center and how senator kennedy, the late senator kennedy, personally helped her after the tragedy. tamron, still hard to believe eight years have gone by, eight years. >> and so moving still to see those families out there today, that rain. i think one of the headlines says there was rain still mixed with tears today as people out there marked this eighth anniversary. but david, another story we are following, some new fallout for congressman joe wilson after that loud outburst during the president's health care speech on wednesday and we are just learning that house speaker nancy pelosi plans to hold a

vote next week on whether to censure the south carolina republican if he does not apologize to congress for yelling "you lie" at the president. wilson formally apologized to president obama but has refused to say that he is sorry on the house floor and posted this video on his website. >> i will not be muzzled. i will speak up and speak loudly against this risky plan. the supporters of the government takeover of health care and the liberals who want to give health care to illegals are using my opposition as an excuse to distract from the critical questions being raised about this poorly conceived plan. they want to silence anyone who speaks out against it. >> wilson goes on to ask for campaign contributions for those who agree with him but so far, his 2 to 010 democratic opponent, who seems to be raking in a lot of dough since wednesday night. former marine rob miller has received $750,000 and the dnc

reports raising $1 million since that now-infamous "you lie" line. wilson not the only person talking about health care and immigration. this morning, the gang of six continued efforts to hammer out a bipartisan compromise and democratic senator kip conrad shares one part of a possible framework after the meeting. >> we have an outline to prevent anybody here illegally from benefiting from these initiatives. >> finance committee chairman, democratic senator committee member max baucus says the groups are getting close and could have something for a full committee next week. the president continues to make his own push, meantime, heading to minneapolis tomorrow to drum up support for health care reform, all just the latest chapter, decades' long battle over this issue. wednesday night, the president invoked the efforts of former congressman john beginni mamand.

>> a bill was first proposed by john dingell senior in 1963, today, his son continues to propose that same bill at the beginning of each session. >> john dingell joins me live. thank you very much for joining us. also point out you were the chairman of the committee of energy and commerce. thank you for joining us today. >> delighted to be here. thank you. >> let me first get your thoughts on the latest developments with congressman wilson. you now have this new statement from speaker pelosi saying she is going to introduce a resolution of disapproval. where do you stand on that? >> his behavior was extremely unparliamentary, extraordinarily bad taste and unfortunately, he had his facts wrong. i have not heard of this in extent, but i have to tell you that i think probably that kind of behavior should be ken sures it is inconsistent with good government and it is thoroughly inconsistent with good parliamentary behavior. >> let me ask you, what does this say about this debate on health care this time around in the president pointed to your story, your family's history, as well as all americans who

watched this, so many presidents, but the tone, especially that you have a lawmaker yelling at the president on the floor regarding health care reform is this debate different than what we have seen as far as the anger? >> well, it is certainly very nasty and it is certainly very unfortunate. it is not in car writing good democratic principles it is confusing a debate. first of all it is unfactual. the bill now prohibits government money being spent for illegal aliens and on top of that we have been telling folks like mr. wilson about this fact but he doesn't seem to understand, listen or be able to read the bill. >> congressman dingell, you ever been around a long time we have heard from people who say the democrats, they were rude to george w. bush, social security debate, they booed and hissed but ever seen anybody with the

outburr thanks joe wilson had the other night all the years served in congress? >> i think that to call the president a liar in any place or indeed in a formal session of the house of representatives is in exquisite bad taste and it is clearly wrong. the history of this country is we do tend to be outspoken but this goes beyond the bounce. >> how does it feel to have the most progress made on this debate and what many say will ultimate lib the reform of health care in this country? >> way back when i was cleaning up dad's bill before i introduced it, the first time i found it about half had been ena enacted. since then, i have had to excise other parts enacted into law but it feels very good and i certainly want to get this done this session, pass something that is going to make health

care available to every american and see to it that they have the choice and to realize my dad's wish. now, having said that it is going to be hard but i think it is doable, the american people desperately need it and desperately want it. >> congressman dingell, michigan/notre dame tomorrow, give us confidence if they will be able to pulls out. >> go blue, my friend. you bet, david. we will be rooting for them and we will make it. >> from your mouth to coach rich rodriguez's ears. sorry, tamron, i had to. >> no, that's oh i would have studied my stats on sport also i know that was coming up. but go whatever team he just said. >> blue. coming up, david, in the big picture -- >> we will talk live to the reverend jesse jackson about a possible racial divide in this country and how that may be playing into the politics surrounding president obama, some of those nasty charges against him. >> outside of politics, david,

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call or click today. welcome back. you are watching "the big picture." david there is a desperate search on for a missing student at yale university. >> 24-year-old medical student annie le disappeared on tuesday, just five days before her wedding this weekend. surveillance cameras showed her walking into a research lab but never coming out. the fbi has joined the investigation now. nbc's jeff rossen joins us live from the yale campus in new haven, connecticut. jeff what can we learn from the

fact that the fbi's involved? >> reporter: yeah, well, a lot of people are now saying that the fbi is involved so early into the case, i mean, now it's been more than 48 hours since she vanished on tuesday morning but the fbi got involved long before that, they were here yesterday morning going through dumpsters on campus, sifting through the garbage, questioning students. you know, i think at first in talking to a lot of the medical students who knew annie le, they thought, well, maybe this is the case of another runaway bride but when they saw the fbi starting to get so heavily involved in this, i think the mood on campus changed. there are missing posters all over the place here. you really can't walk 20 feet without seeing one, but so far, it has not led them to the ultimate prize, and that is annie herself. she has been gone, her purse, her cell phone, her credit cards all left in her office, so she didn't take those if she had gone voluntarily. another concerning factor for

police. her fiance is involved in the church, set to get mar this weekend in syosset, long island. if she went missing only five days before her planned wedding. he has been questioned by police, they do not believe he is involved in her disappearance, now on the search team. annie's parents too, 24-year-old medical student, very popular, only 4'1/1", 90 pounds. she loved one thing more than work and that was her fiance and her wedding plans. so this is a giant mystery on the campus of one of this country's most prestigious university. >> the lab is actually near a pretty rough neighborhood in new haven? >> reporter: yeah. yeah. you have the lab right over here this is a amistad hall, a research lab, literally right behind our camera position, only separated by one street is a pretty rough section of new haven, students saying you have to be careful walking around here. annie le herself, how ironic is

this, just back in february, 2009, a few moments ago wrote an article for the campus magazine entitled "crime and safety new haven" and even offered tips about how to keep yourself safe in this city and so we -- she actually wrote, "if you have some street smarts you can avoid becoming a statistic yourself." the hope is she hasn't become one herself. >> jeff rossen from new haven, connecticut. thanks for the update. tamron, such a sad story, just hope that somehow this will turn out for the best. >> absolutely. very scary story. we certainly are thinking about her family as we hate to hear, hopefully what turns out to be good news there, david. >> indeed. coming up on "the big picture." >> this woman will likely not be winning any awards for mom of the year any time soon. what she made her 6-year-old child do. going to make you say "no way." plus, are you looking for a safe neighborhood to raise your children? well, how about on the first family's street back in chicago?

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>> we don't believe at this point he can govern effectively the state of south carolina there are so many distractions and his inability to work collectively have proven with us, most recently the no confidence of the house and the speaker he is in the best interest of everyone if he would resign. >> on thursday, the governor said his opponents were engaged in politics and accused some of interfering with state ethics investigation into public and private travel. >> we have a real problem if members of the general assembly are trying to influence and truncate an ethics committee process so get the intended result they want and go through impeachment. if you go through this route, what you are doing is setting up a kangaroo court. >> what he said yesterday. the gop party vote comes after last week's letter signed by 61 out of 72 state representatives, all of them republicans, all of

them asking the governor to resign. tamron in "the bigger picture" what is going on in south carolina politics, governor sanford's admit aid fair, ensuing ethics investigation, senator jim demint publicly saying that killing health care reform would "break president obama and be his waterloo." now congressman joe wilson calls the president of the united states a liar during a joint session of congress. after delivering an apology prompted by party leaders, wilson wasted no time repeating the false claim about the health care bill covering illegal immigrants and look what he posted on his website in an effort to raise cash for his re-election campaign. >> i will not be muzzled. i will speak up and speak loudly against this risky plan. the supporters of the government takeover of health care and the liberals who want to give health care to illegals are using my opposition as an excuse to distract from the critical questions being raised about this poorly conceived plan. they want to silence anyone who

speaks out against it. >> phillip rucker is is a national political reporter for the "washington post" who writes about this today. what is going on in south carolina? >> something in the water. we talked yesterday to a lot of political leaders in the state who say this is really within character, frankly the politics already sort of rough and tumble there dating back to before the civil war when a south carolina congressman burst onto the senate floor and started beating a massachusetts senator with a cane over his head. the first senator was called out over a slavery issue, really just a state where it is rough politics as normal. >> you have been farther than that you go back to the scene on the movie from "1776" based on real events we see edward rutledge, the democratic from south carolina, arguing the issue of slavery with thomas

jefferson. >> to us in south carolina, black slavery is our peculiar institution and a cherished way of life. >> nevertheless, we must abolish t. >> rutledge ultimately did sign the declaration of independence, the youngest man to do so. when you have an issue where racial politics has been around so long, is it pos thain is what is driving maybe some of the stuff and maybe not particularly with john wilson but the general animus for president obama in south carolina? >> you know it is a little bit unclear and i wouldn't feel comfortable going that far but definitely, a lot of animosity in south carolina about president obama. done some reporting trips in that state in recent months over the governor sanford issue and that is a place really where a lot of people feel uneasy about the president and his health care proposal. it is interesting that congressman wilson and also senator jim demint when he

likened this to waterloo, they were channeling the comes some people in their state felt. congressman wilson spent the month of august at town hall meetings where people were angry and emotional about this issue. >> i'm curious how this is playing out with the average people of south carolina, despite the strangeness if that is the word of some of the behavior, when it comes to mark sanford, could wilson be in trouble? i know his district, from what i'm reading could go, a former marine being rob miller? >> you know that would be real surprise this is a very conservative district that stretches from part of columbia, the state capital, call the way to the coastal island of hilton head. a lot of conservatives there not sure the democrats would ultimately be able to take over that seat but it certainly provided a all right of momentum for the democratic likely candidate there, who has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars since the wednesday night incident online from donors. also, congressman wilson has got an a lot of attention, become something of a hero to conservatives in the country who

are really proud of him for going into the capital and channeling that anger that they voiced so loudly at the town hall meetings over the summer. >> phillip rucker of the "washington post," thank you so much. tamron to pick up on that point of conservatives proud of joe wilson, proud several years ago, wilson was one of only half a dozen members of the state legislature voted against removing the confederate flag from the capitol. he has been in those circles a while. >> that is the uniqueness of our country. we are all americans but certainly there are regional issues that would be certain willy found frowned upon in the east, that play in south carolina. so, i mean it is a part of the conversation but it is certainly regional understanding that is necessary, i think. >> indeed. in today's closeup, your chance to live next door in chicago, to the obamas. >> speaking of regional this is a pretty cool neighborhood in chicago. they put up a home for sale there is a sign on the house. apparently, the first time a home directly adjacent to a

sitting president has been put up for sale. the current residents have lived there for 36 years. the obamas move there had in 2005. cnbc's diana olick got exclusive look to the first neighbor's home and joined us first, before we talk about the home itself, hyde park is a very interesting neighborhood it is racially diverse and also economically diverse. you can have a beautiful, expensive home not very far from public housing as well. it is an interesting neighborhood. >> a very interesting neighborhood. that, of course is what makes the whole idea of this very unique. as we know, the thing about the white house is no neighbors but not so, as we know, about the obamaers a permanent residence back in chicago. turns out their next door neighbors are putting their house on the market. talk about the ultimate getted community. . >> it is an historic mansion district and kind of surrounded by million dollar-plus homes on large lots, secluded area but with the secret service protection outside now, i think it is the best protection the united states government can

buy. >> so, there likely will be no open houses, the house that sits ten feet from the president, the secret service would not like that. they didn't like the fact that the sellers let us bring a camera over so, out of respect for his security, we agreed to blur the neighbor, mr. obama's house. now all anybody wants to know is how much for this 6,000-square foot, 17-room home, right? well, that is actually all out to you potential buyers, the realtor and owner are looking for you to appraise the obama factor that is what it's worth or what what's it not worth to live next to the most powerful family in america in the sallers bill and jackie grimshaw, already know. >> meet each other on the back porch. he would be sneaking a cigarette, michelle won't let him smoke in the house. >> come, have to go through bomb-sniffing dogs. the advantage not having him here, security increases

ten-fold when he is around. but's challenging and it really disrupting the neighborhood. >> the grimshaws say the obamas told them they would return to the home after the presidency. until then, the new owners would have bragging rights and some very quiet neighbors as we know, they would never be around, right? tamron? >> the grimshaws are trying to set home and talking about the pain the security can cause, you are supposed to say it is all easy. >> look, they are going to have plenty of people looking, plenty of people wanting to buy no question. >> absolutely. no question. cnbc's diana olick. thank you. it is one of the most beautiful streets in chicago, david, beautiful old trees, very family friendly. i feel like i'm selling -- are we getting a cut, david, for airing that story. >> i suppose, tamron, people out there that really love gated communities. this would be the ultimate one. >> love how the neighbor told on the president he was sneaking a smoke, at that time tale, next to nosey neighbors, even for the

president. we will be right back with the "big picture." >> president obama is the first to be called a liar before a joint session of congress and uproar over that speech to school kids this week. and is it because they don't like his policies or could there be another reason? could this be about race? we are going to ask the reverend gentleman jesse jackson a part of conversation that may have been whispered at dinner tables and we are going to bring it out in the open. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. to silence headaches... doctors recommend tylenol... more than any other brand... of pain reliever. tylenol rapid release gels...

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welcome back. it is time for making their case. today it is all about what some are calling, david, the elephant in the room. >> that is right, tamron. president obama is the first ever african-american to hold the nation's highest office and now the first president to be openly heckled during an address to a joint session of congress. mr. obama has been compared to hitler at town hall meetings, some people showed one loaded guns. conservative radio tv host has been called a racist with "a deep seeded hatred for white

people" the president had his birth in hawaii and nationality questioned and called everything from a socialist to fascist who wants to empower the government to kill senior citizens. this week, mr. obama was criticized toer a speech to school kids about staying in school and working hard. every president faces scathing criticism from the fanatical fringe but this, at least, feels different. and even officials in the secret service acknowledge to threats to president obama's life have been coming in four times as often as they were for president george w. bush. reverend jesse jackson is the president and founder of the rainbow public coalition and former presidential candidate. reverend jackson what role do you think that bigotry is playing toward this venom toward president obama? >> there is a struggle between seeing the hope of going forward and the fear of going backwards and the word -- the atmosphere -- they are coated words. hitler, un-american, socialist,

not important in american, even indoctrinate our children, these are words behind the big c-word, conservative, for some that means fiscal, for some, it means religious antics, for some, race works do well to keep fighting through or relieve these ment mentori mentorists. >> i have heard from so many people the fact that joe wilson is from south carolina, part of the sons of the confederacy or support the group, voted against removing the confederate flag, we don't know what was in the heart of joe wilson but strikes a lot of people as awfully close to the idea that maybe there was some sort of racist or bigoted element there is. you look at the picture and you see older white men, all republicans sitting there it gives off a strange vibe. it is am doo due diallo being

shot 41 times in new york and walking free. rodney king being beaten in california and jurors set them free. 2.3 million americans in prison, 1 million black, 500,000 late teen know the structural injustice from birth to death is not ignored, we must enforce compliance. we must urge people who have hope not allow fears to overcome them. >> go ahead, tamron. >> reverend jackson, i wanted to ask you, a lot of the things said about president obama was said about communists or socialists but this yelling at the president during that address had never happened to any prior president. and when you listen to a lot of african-americans on the radio who are telling how they feel about it, there seems to be, like almost like the straw to break the camel's back and other things implied racist, the birth movement, so on, so forth, but you have that southern white male shout down the first black president, it seems to really

hit a nerve. >> well, it is globally embarrassing. the whole world watched that display by the congressman from south carolina. but it is not just that. it's the -- we see patterns in the subprime lending scheme, predators targeting, steering, clustering blacks and browns by race. another suit in boston, another in cleveland. this issue of race, disparity, it is all too real for us to -- >> people believe that, obviously, these things happen and when you're poor and you feel like you're helpless. but this is the president of the united states. someone of power and prestige and the leader of our country. black or white or whatever. let me ask you, that house speaker nancy pelosi wants to move this forward. there are many calling for censure. is that what is necessary to perhaps send a message that will

trickle from the president on down? >> well, censure may be the thing to do but there are those who'ses his being discourt just, not the content. never mind his having said that in the cloak room. that's the same room where they argued that slavery was ordained by god. so he said something that was embarrassing but there have been other things on that floor for a long time. i think we're getting better. when it raises its head, we should's it. the venom of racism remains in america today. >> reverend jesse jack, thanks so much for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i think the evidence is so overwhelming that there is an effort out there to demonize the first african-american president. the question is, is there an institutional bigotry in certain quarters of the country, or are

these isolated instances. ? i don't know the answer to that. >> i think it was a great point. that you can never speak for someone's heart and that's what makes this such a complex and difficult debate. you can't say what is in someone's heart but you can certainly judge by the actions. and it is nothing of that action taken by wilson seen by so many americans as disrespectful. coming up after the break -- >> a south african runner pulled out of a race because you know, the controversy surrounding her gender. her nail is caster semenya. and now there are reports about really, is she a woman? is she a man? or something else? but this whole debate has brought up another issue that some say has crossed the line. >> a young man with an interesting talent and it will make you say no way. >> is that a talent?

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welcome back. news broke about south african runner caster semenya and the gender war focused on her. tests according to reports show that semenya is a hermaphrodite. the tests show she has internal male second organs and no ovaries or womb that were only reveal after complicated testing. the official results are not expect to be released until november but this is the information that's been leaked out. now the south african sports minister saying, "we think her human rights have been violate and her privacy invaded. i don't know why she is being subjected to this." he also said another person might have been driven to commit suicide with the world being will that she is a hermaphrodite which means she has reproductionty organs of both sexes. her father has called them crazy for playinging these allegations about his daughter and semenya has dropped out of sight and

will not race for the south african cross country championship. that is supposed to be tomorrow. in a recent interview, she who is only 18 years old, said she is happy the way she is and this is a photograph with her being posed up in make-up to appear obviously more feminine. the international olympic committee has said the case could have serious psychological repercussions on her as now the world knows something that, at least according to reports, she did not know herself until these complicated medical tests were taken. is it crossing the line? this is more than about medals. this is about a young girl's life ufl tell me. let me know what you think. it's almost 4:00 on the east coast, 1:00 p.m. on the west coast. eight years later, the nation remembers the lives lost on september 11. we will talk with a woman whose husband died that day and had a special connection with the late senator ted kennedy. and the fbi is now investigating the disappearance

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