young people who are brilliant and gifted and talented and forgotten. >> my daughter will still be raised on the street, i'm going to still raise her the way i want to raise her. several months after we left hollywood, we spoke with alison who met a man and followed him to texas where she says he was teaching her to drive 18-wheelers. jason sent an e-mail in the summer of 2001 telling us he and britney moved on to a suburb of los angeles. they had scraped together enough money to rent a small apartment. a lucky break, jason said. the apartment had an organ that let him keep up with his music. as for spider, we spoke with her in 2002 and she told us she gave her baby to an acquaintance for safekeeping before she went to jail in the previous summer. after serving several months for a misdemeanor, she said she had been unable to find her baby. dcfs records show they have had no contact with spider or the

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>> yep, some frightful films for the fall, but they're also familiar names and faces hitting the big screen and we'll get a preview for you. and a good morning for you, i'm alex witt. we begin on the search for missing yale graduate annie le. there is now a reward for finding le, last seen tuesday. dozens of law enforcement personal are wrapping things up with their search efforts, just a day before le was to be married. jeff rossen is live with the latest. what is the latest on this mystery? >> reporter: it really is a mystery. i mean, as each day palssses, t students are getting more and more nervous. at first they thought this was a runaway bride, she was set to get married. the timing is coincidental, to say the least.

but now as each day passes and they saw the fbi getting involved so early, sifting through garbage and going into hazmat suits and the mood certainly changed around here. now we've learned there are about 100 law enforcement officers, between police officers and fbi agents now involved in this case. we've also learned through the school officials that they're going through annie le's hard drive, her computer hard drive, along with her e-mail account to see if there are new clues in there too. they're quoted in the "yale daily news" this morning as saying they are no closer basically to solving this case today than they were several days ago. they don't even know if annie le ever left the research lab. as you know the last surveillance photo from tuesday morning was her walking in. there's no video of her coming out, because the fire alarm went off a few hours after she went inside, there was a big massive rush outside. she may be in that crowd, but

with the surveillance camera, as you know it's often grainy, they can't pick her out. plus on this shot, she's wearing that green top and the skirt, they think she may have been wearing a lab coat inside, which means she's even harder to spot walking out. so really it's become a difficult situation. we do know the wedding, scheduled for tomorrow, has now officially been canceled on long island. her fiance and family are here in new haven assisting police with the search. by the way, the police have questioned the fiance, and they don't believe he's involved. >> how about the sense on the campus there? things just getting underway at the beginning of a new school year, what's it like? >> reporter: it's also a very prestigious university. >> sure. >> reporter: this is a very tight-knit community. they're scared. and the bottom line is school officials have said precious little to us or them, which makes them even more scared. they're worried just even walking around right now. is there somebody out there who may have taken this girl? they don't know.

they don't know anything. and as each day passes, we're four days into this now. it's not a panic or anything close to it, but it's getting there. it continues. >> yeah. and, jeff, it's saying she's left everything, all her personal belongings are inside that lab, right? >> reporter: right. >> which that would make sense with that fire alarm, right? >> reporter: we've all had fire drills, you grab your blackberry, your i.d. and leave everything else. she left her cell phone, cash, credit cards, her cell phone, anything she would need if she was going to run away. and she has no access to a car either. so the question is, if she did run away, you know in this society now, you're caught on camera wherever you go, she has not popped up anywhere and that's concerning investigators too. >> jeff rossen, thank you very much for that live report from new haven. >> reporter: sure. next, clint van zandt offers

his analysis on the case of the missing yale student. let's go to politics now and today president obama will hold a health care rally in minneapolis. the president's speech is scheduled to start at 2:00 p.m. eastern live and we'll have live coverage for that and also leading up to that event, we'll be live. also next week, a jam-packed schedule as the president marks the one-year anniversary of the collapse of lehman brothers while keeping the pressure on for health reform. then tuesday the president will appear at a gm plant in ohio and an afl/cio convention in pittsburgh, another scheduled in maryland. and new this morning, president obama says if you think your health coverage is safe under the current system, think again. a new treasury department study shows that half of all americans under the age of 65 will lose their coverage at some point over the next ten years. >> if you're under the age of 21 today, chances are more than half that you'll find yourself

uninsured at some point in that time. and more than one-third of americans will go without coverage for longer than one year. >> i'm joined now live in the stoud studio by john decker after playing tennis. >> yes, i know. >> thank you for joining us from washington. but let's get to the new pitch from the president. anyone can lose their health care. so is this part of an argument that's been missing? is this an additional reason that the president's offering up that everybody should be concerned about health care reform? >> it's a new pitch from the president. we haven't heard this argument that much from him. it's a good study that the president is jumping up on, the treasury department study. and it plays into the anxiety so many americans have when we see the unemployment jump up, we're now at 9.7%. if you don't know someone or are not personally affected by

unemployment, have you that anxiety of losing your job and health insurance. >> in minnesota, it's my understanding it's one of the healthiest states in the union here. how does that serve as a backdrop? >> well, it's a good backdrop for the president. the president, i think it was last month, went to grand junction, colorado, to point to that particular area as a model for health care. and minnesota, in the same vein, is seen as a model for providing good health care for its citizens. as you mention, there are at least two studies which point to minnesota as being a state which provides very good health care for its citizens, and i think that the president will point to the fact that there are a large percentage of primary care physicians there, there's a lot of nonprofit hospitals and providers there, hospitals and physicians. and i think the president will play this up saying, what is being done in minnesota can be done in the rest of the country. >> the whole you lie hoopla from representative joe wilson on the

homes of the president talking about illegal immigrants not getting access to this health care reform, they're now saying from the white house they would be completely barred from buying health insurance through changechange exchanges. >> the devil is in the details and here's the problem. in the house, there is no provision for verification. in the senate, they're working on a verification requirement making certain that illegal immigrants are verified as indeed illegal imgrinlts and will not be able to provide -- get provide a health insurance subsidy. so that's one problem. the other problem is it is not going to please the liberal part of the president's phase, although there are 16 million americans which would not be provided health insurance. i think the liberal part is not going to be pleased with that as expected of the plan. >> okay. john, we'll talk to you more next hour, because the u.s. open doesn't start this early.

the health care debate continues on "meet the press," john cornyn, howard dean and newt gingrich will be the guests, check your local listings for that time. new word this morning on the swine flu vaccine. new studies show it takes just one shot to protect adults from the flu. it's only september, but health officials say the flu is circulating unusually early this year with cases in every single state and nearly all the infections are swine flu. here's a look at the flu activity across the country of the darker red indicates the widespread flu as women as the h1n1. states with the lighter pinkish color there indicateresponse.

we originally thought we were going to have two doses. this has very important implications. number one it means we'll be able to save on the number of doses of vaccines so that if there's limited availability of the product, we'll be able to use it among a larger population. and second, it means we'll be able to vax nate effectively a group of individuals and render them immune to the swine flu in a shorter period of time. >> and that will happen when? when will this vaccine become widely available? >> well, that's a good question. so that's the $64,000 question as we say. we believe that by the middle of october there should be 50 million doses of vaccine available, and then 20 million doses each week after that. the question will be how much

swine flu, how much h1n1 will spread throughout the u.s. population between now and the middle of october, the end of october. >> okay. the cdc says at this point 98% of the flu viruses circulating out there are swine flu. why are we seeing such an unusual widespread outbreak so soon ahead of the traditional flu season? did swine never go away? >> well, this is called the h1n1 virus, it's different from other h1n1s that have circulated. we have a susceptible population. people born after 1957 are susceptible. so this is a large cohort, a large group of people, it means we have a vulnerable population and the virus can spread quite easily throughout this vulnerable group. >> and as we put up a map here, i'd like our director to do that again, adam, if you can.

the highest concentration of the flu cases are in the southeast. alaska, arizona, maryland, as well. why do you think we're seeing more cases in these areas? >> it's a very interesting question. why it's appeared in the southeast initially. it's something that a number of us are trying to understand. we expect, however, that as the -- as the season progresses we're going to see this spread throughout the country. the good news, though, is that this virus is no more virulent, by that, it's no more dangerous than previous h1n1 viruses. so that it's -- it doesn't produce any worse disease, it just means that many more people are susceptible and a larger number of people will get infected. >> all right. peter, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. keep it here because i'll be speaking with directioner of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases.

and the crew of "discovery" is happy to be back, mission control chose the backup landing site because bad weather prevented the crew from returning to its home base in florida. but will cost nasa close to $1.8 million to ferry "discovery" back to cape canaveral. in the sports world, derek jeter has broken the new york yankees hit record held by lou gehrig for more than seven decades. he did it last night with a single against the ore yems. that gives jeter 2,722 hits, one more than gehrig, whose hall of fame career was cut short by illness in 1939. the orioles won. some wet weather made a mess across the country, you heard about "discovery." there were heavy rains in florida, also florida -- rather flooding in several towns across southern new jersey friday, winds of up to 55 miles an hour

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today the search for missing yale graduate student annie le is intensifying. the fbi is joining with local and state police in connecticut to search for the 24-year-old graduate student on this, the day before she was to be married. joining me live is clint van zandt. he is author of "facing down evil" and also an msnbc analyst. let's talk about the fbi involvement in this case. what does this suggest to you? >> well, the bureau comes in rather quickly in a case like this where there's a potential presumption that she disappeared under miss tare yes circumstances. in essence, her background, her personalty, what she's doing in graduate school, her responsibilities, getting married this week, all of this suggests that normally this is not the time that a woman would disappear of her own voel igs, so the fbi is here to cover out of state leads as well as to

process evidence or anything else. so it all goes to one lab, in this case, the fbi. >> and anecdotally speaking, all her friends say she's talked nonstop about this wedding. she was so excited to be getting married tomorrow, just not too far from here in manhattan. what about the hours before she disappeared? let's talk about that. because she went to work in the lab tuesday morning. left the lab to go to another facility. leaving her purse, cash, credit cards, keys, cell phone, all of that in her office. and what about that fire alarm at the lab? what does all this tell you? >> well, first of all, i don't like coincidences. no investigator does. supposedly that fire alarm was not pulled by hand, i'm told, but was generated in a classroom, so it may just be a coincidence. realize, you've got this massive, 120,000 square-foot building. a fire alarm goes off.

everybody, probably to include this young lady, are working in white lab coats. they all bail out of the building by six, seven or eight exits at the same time. so the surveillance cameras picked her up going in sees almost a bunch of lab rats running out in white coats and they haven't been able to say if she ever left that building or not. >> right. so we were going to hear from somebody there at the "yale daily news" but he's saying what you just said. so i want to ask you, do you think this alarm could have been used as some sorted of a cover hcoverup for her disappearance? >> if it was steam generated, someone had to be very conviving to make that happen too. we're not 100% sure she ever left that building. and realize next to that building is a garage that holds 1,000 cars. this is a 4'11", 90-pound woman. we've got two alternatives. number one, her graduate

studies, her marriage, it was too much and she is one more runaway bride and now she's trying to figure out how to come back after all this has taken place, or number two, something happened to her maybe inside of that building and she was carried out or she could have been taken into a car in that adjacent garage and carried away. those are the two tracks investigators are stuck with. is she a victim of herself or is she a victim of someone else? >> okay. clint van zandt, thank you very much. appreciate it. and there is this sad milestone to share with you, the world's oldest person has pass ad way. gertrude banes died, she was 115 years old. the georgia native was born april 6, 1894. back then the u.s. flag had 44 stars and grover cleveland was president. banes had outlived every single one of her relatives, and ger

drud baines, died at 115. can i say something here? i was at her 115th birthday party in los angeles because my father was her physician. i'm extremely proud of my father. when she passed, he really took it hard. he'd seen her on wednesday, and said that she was complaining about bacon not being too crispy where she was. so she was in very good spirits even wednesday. so it was wonderful to be there on that day. 115. imagine all she saw. still ahead, general motors launching a new campaign to win consumer trust, but will it work? and later, more on the encouraging news about the swine flu vaccine here on msnbc saturday.

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about how consumers feel about the economy and things are starting to look up. let's go live to vera gibbons and a good morning to you. >> good morning. >> is the economy on rebound? >> you always get mixed signals. this week was a pretty good week for the stock market despite the dip friday. you've got commodity prices rising suggesting industrial production may be coming back. some signs of life there. you also have corporate deal making going on. you've got kraft trying to buy cadbury, so that was seen as a positive for the markets. even though you see the red arrows, it was a positive week. next week, retail sales numbers come out, housing data, inflation data, all eyes will be in particular on those retail sales numbers. 12 months of consecutive decline, so everyone is waiting to see if the consumer has a pulse here. are we spending any money. >> what is consumer sentiment now? >> it's up, surprisingly so. >> so higher numbers in retail sales? >> it's still very weak. consumer confidence sup because

of the stock market gains, 401(k)s are looking like 401(k)s instead of 101 ks. people are unemployed taking on part-time gigs even though they want the full time thing. so that's why the recovery is weak. the consumer is just not in the gamt here. so when we see those retail numbers, if there are another month of declines the market will take that for what it is. the consumer is in a bit of a pickle because of the unemployment situation. >> okay. more questions coming your way soon. thank you very much. a new world record to tell but this saturday, gin escertifying a world record for a 25-year-old nepali man who held 14 tennis balls in his hand for 19 seconds. there you go.

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msnbc is the place for politics and new this morning president obama wants to convince americans that they should be fighting for reform, even if they have health coverage that they like. he says a new treasury department study shows half of all americans lose their health insurance in a ten-year period under the current system. i'm joined now live now chief white house correspondent for politico. good to see you. >> good morning, i enjoyed the shout out to your dad. sounds like he should be the guest here. >> i know, i'm really proud of my dad. but what can we expect to see from the president in minneapolis this afternoon? >> style, we're going to see that barack obama of 2008, the barack obama that drew such excited and passionate crowds. last weekend we saw him with

that labor day rally in cincinnati where he actually told the fired up story. and we're going to see him very much in that rally mode during the huge target center in minneapolis. this was no ticket required, come one, come all. but they're saying first come, first served. so they may fill it up. but on substance, as you just suggested, he is going to be making a new argument. and that is that the uninsured aren't just the other guy. you know, alex, the problem the white house has had is that senior citizens, middle class people, so you add those up, that's most of america, people who have health coverage think that they can only lose under health reform. that they only have downside risk. so what he's trying to convince them is, the uninsured could be you too and even says in his radio and internet address today that the uninsured isn't just the other guy. half of all people figure that you threw out and that the white house is using, republicans are

quarrelling with it because they point out that that's people who change jobs, so they could go on c.o.b.r.a., so it could be for as low as six months. it could be people who, because of their incomes, choose not to have health reform. so if people are going to quarrel will with the number, but the sbl but. >> and how do you think this bill will be received in congress? is it yet another bill or because it is from the three democrats, three republicans that have been trying to work together and put partisan politics aside this is going to be taken seriously? >> i love the gang of six, it sounds like the old west or something. but in fact it's to be taken very seriously. this probably is going to come out tuesday. they'll probably markup this bill the week after that. this could become the base bill that they then negotiate to

determine the differences between the house and senate. and here's why, alex, because it brings so many people along with it. the final ts they're crossing, the final is they're do thing have to do with one limiting abortion coverage under this and, b, tightening the restrictions which are already in place on the use of this coverage by illegal aliens. both of those have a chance of bringing on some conservatives, some republicans. now, olympia snowe, the moderate, republican senator from maine, hasn't promised to sign on to it. but my goodness, they're doing everything possible to bring her along, including that little shoutout that the president gave in his speech to the joint session of congress about limiting the -- or about acknowledging the problem of medical malpractice lawsuits. that was all aimed at senator snowe and we're told that there's going to be some reference to that in this bill

too. so it's like a chinese menu, deciding what they need to get the maximum number of people. >> okay. chinese menu, that's kind of funny, like that analogy. thank you for joining us so early on a saturday morning. appreciate that. >> and watch out for the gang of six, they're fierce. >> this wild west. you're funny. thanks, mike. >> thank you. representative joe wilson's outburst during president obama's speech has gotten the cash flying in south carolina's 2010 election. he's raised more than $700,000 for his re-election campaign but his opponent may benefit more from that outburst. democrat rob miller has raised more than $1 million since wednesday. tomorrow on "meet the press," a debate on health care with senator dick durbin, john cornyn, howard dean and former house speaker newt gingrich. sunday's "meet the press." check your local listings for the time. awoman in delaware is asking

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meatballs." and "the informant," "the burning plane," let's talk first of "love happens." how is that one supposed to be? >> we have a quirky, romantic comedy. a girl unlucky in love who of course is trying to find love, of course this is not reinventing the wheel for jennifer aniston, but people will go to see it because they love her in romantic comecomedi. we won't see her break out of this mold until next year in her next film. and the next. >> you love scary films. >> i love horror movies, but aside from that, megan fox always looks amazing and she's alsocannon, you never know what she's going to say. and there's clever, clever dialogue and this time we have clever teens possessed by

demons. she actually eats boys. >> she eats them. okay. and coming up, "the invention of lying," what's that one look like, along with "whip it." >> this is hilarious. and this is kind of a fantasy comedy, it's about a man who learns the value of lying in a society where everybody tells the truth. >> ah. >> so this is definitely one to watch, as well at "whip it." this is drew berrymoore's directorial debut. it's about a girl who dishes the tee yar are a in favor of roller derby skates. so it's going to be fun. >> another horror flick, "saw." >> number six, i think we're up to? >> have you seen all five? >> i have not, if you can believe it. >> you do like those. >> i do.

>> and number six, obviously it works. >> yes, and it has a huge market. people go to see it for a very specific reason, these are the fun, slasher flicks and -- yeah. people love them. >> okay. michael moore, he's back as women, "capitalism, a love story." >> this is michael moore, this is about delving into the current economic crisis and he's going to try to get answers and get people their money back. good luck with that one. >> and another thing we both now love, the vampire, this is called s. >> this boy gets involved with this vampire, becomes his assistance and features a bearded salma hayek. she can look amazing even with a full beard. >> okay. well, there you go. thank goodness we had you on, and thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. encouraging news in the fight against the swine flu.

a new study shows the new vaccine appears to work with just one shot and starts working within ten days. joining me live is dr. anthony fouchi, good morning to you. we're glad you're here. >> good morning. >> let's talk about what the researchers found and how big of an advance is this? >> i think this is really quite important. because when we first identified this new virus in april, we set out to make a vaccine, we were not sure whether the vaccine would be able to induce in the recipients a response that would be protective and whether or not it would be able to be done in the standard single dose as we do with the seasonal flu, and there was concern we would have to do a larger dose, even two or three doses. as it turns out, the data and information we released yesterday in washington, d.c., indicates some really good news, that the vaccine can induce a response in the recipient that we predict would be protected with a single dose with the

standard amount we do regularly with the seasonal flu but does it quickly, within eight to ten days after the vaccination, which is really very good news. >> and for those people who you suggest get the swine flu vaccine, do they also get the regular flu vaccine? >> yes. it's very important. i'm glad you brought that up. because these are two separate issues, and particularly with regard to the seasonal flu vaccine, we want to make sure that the senior citizens, the elderly who are most vulnerable to getting into trouble with seasonal flu, not only get pandemic swine flu vaccine, the h1n1 new vaccine, but also make sure they do not forget to get their regular seasonal flu because of the 36,000 deaths that occur regularly with seasonal flu. 92% of them are among elderly individuals. so we want to make sure we protect the vulnerable people against the swine flu but also protect the people, such as the

elderly, against seasonal flu. >> is it too soon to know if the swine flu vaccine will have any side effects? >> well, right now it's acting very much like seasonal flu vaccine in the testing that we're doing. essentially no serious adverse events at all in the short term. we don't expect any, but we're always on the lookout for it. but it has a very good safety record, seasonal flu. since this vaccine is acting like seasonal flu, we're hoping it has a similar safety record. >> and, doctor, with this vaccine expected to be widely available in october, we also see significant outbreaks, 2500 cases alone reported at washington state university s this the case of things are going to get worse before they get better? >> well, i think certainly there are going to be outbreaks. we're seeing it already. it's quite unfortunate, but there's not going to be uniform outbreaks. there will be regions of the country that the outbreaks or the peak, as they call it, is certainly not going to come until after we get them

vaccinated. but unfortunately, given the constraints of time, since this virus was only recognized in april, there will be regions in places like washington state university where there are outbreaks but not a vaccine available. but there are other things you can do to prevent infection, even in the absence of a vaccine. vaccine is the primary way to do it, but some common sense things, very well and clearly delineated on the cdc website about the things can you do to prevent infection. >> and if you don't mind just giving us a few of the golden rules. >> there are procedures in school that -- hygiene, handwashing, covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze. policies that when children are infected their parents do not send them to school, if you're sick, don't go to work. there are some policies and guidelines for various institutions that when children come to school and look sick, send them back home. or if you identify, for example, in a dorm, in a college, people who are sick, you get a place

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attacks. it was first presented on the six month anniversary of the attack. now, every year, the two beams of light shoot straight up into the air to symbolize the terror attack. they stayed on throughout the night. 3,000 more u.s. troops will be heading to afghanistan as part of a routine deployment. 68,000 troops are expected to be in the country. new questions this morning about the current status eight years after the 9/11 attacks. jack is joining me to talk about this. good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> what is the current state of al qaeda compared to eight years ago? >> there was a chain of command that went up all the way to the guys that ran everything. the bad news is it's more

fragmented. when things get chopped up in little pieces, it's difficult to destroy. when you destroy one area, it doesn't mean life is difficult for them in other areas. >> what about the $25 million reward for osama bin laden? why hasn't he been caught? did you think it would take this long? how important is he in terms of the terror equation these days? >> he's not important at all. he's a symbol because the previous administration and this administrati administration, too, makes such a big deal out of getting him. he's not important and he's not running things anymore. he's merely a symbol. he's impossible to get, nearly impossible to get because he's in an area that's inaccessible. to get him, we need the support of the people on the ground and they are not going to turn him

down. where he is, nobody needs $25 million or $2. nobody is going to turn him over. it's going to require luck to get him. if we do get him, it's not going to matter to al qaeda. they are going to carry on where they are. roger is joining us from new york. there hasn't been a terror attack since 9/11, why? >> everything broke their way the months and weeks leading up to 9/11. they got incredibly lucky and we were unlucky. we are in a better place defensively to deal with threats from al qaeda. three, because we are on the defense in afghanistan and cooperation with pakistan and allies around the world, we have

been able to disrupt the network in a way we never could before. while there's still a threat and the intent is still strong, the capability to conduct an attack doesn't exist. bin laden is important. he's important because you have to kill him to close the chapter on 9/11. you cannot allow him to run around at large regardless of his command in control. >> for symbolic reasons, it's important to catch him. all the criticism we heard among the intelligence organizations. since then, they joined forces and resolves communication barriers. it is more streamlined operational speaking? >> when i was at the white house, i couldn't imagine. i was running a terrorist group

three days a week in '99, 2000 and 2001. in 2009 there's a group working three times a day. the amount of coordination and information being pushed to policymakers is larger. we have horizontal information sharing and vertical at a level we never had prior to 9/11. people understand the threat better. they are talking and are able to analyze the threat better. >> what is the military strategy going forward against al qaeda? >> you have two things. you have the impairtive. you need to destroy and disrupt the network in the pakistanny administration. the obama and bush administration is worried about

this network. that's why we are seeing predator uav attacks inside pakistan. then, there's the bigger picture. over the long term, how you insure the recruitment to join al qaeda or adhere to its philosophy. it comes down to iraq and how we deal with the war in afghanistan. what the battle of ideals is. president obama is going the right direction. it could be a decades long fight. >> okay. thank you both. appreciate it. >> you bet. the economy may be showing signs of making a comeback. a top advisor says the pink slip blues may be around for a long time. how long? the prince approaches a milestone birthday. in the north of england to my new job at the refinery in the south. i'll never forget. it used one tank of petrol

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