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charitable organizations, there are hospitals here who do provide charity care. >> you know, folks, i just can't play that piece of tape enough on this show. americans are one pink slip away from that situation. americans are one bad test result away from that situation. but cantor's answer to that woman in virginia is really a republican pattern of behavior at town hall meetings. this is what they tell constituents. go beg for charity. go get in line. senator tom coburn, oklahoma, he's a doctor. he told a sobbing woman at his town hall meeting to go get help from the neighbors? coburn was asked about it in a recent interview with pbs. >> let me ask you about something that happened at one of your town hall meetings. a woman there told you her husband was denied nursing care. he has dramatic brain injury. >> he left the nursing home and he told us we were on our own.
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he left with a speaking tube. i'm not a speech professional that takes six years for a master's. i'm trying to get him to -- >> first of all, yeah, we'll help. the first thing we'll do is see what we can do individually to help you through our office, but the other thing that's missing in this debate is us as neighbors. helping people that need our help. >> you told her to turn to her neighbors for help. >> actually, what i said is, that's unfortunate but what i made the point was if she wouldn't afford insurance and if she couldn't care, is that the federal government's responsibility? >> you know, folks, how ironic the republicans are being taken down by their own town hall meetings. not by the people screaming and heckling them but by ordinary americans who are asking for solutions and finding out the republicans don't have anything.
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100 days ago, today, back on june 17th, the republicans promised to put out an alternative bill. today, we have no bill from the republicans. here's what the republicans are spending their time and energy on. listen to senator john ensign's contribution to the health care bill. >> this is amendment number c-10, it has to do with transparencies and czars. we are now facing a situation where there's almost a shadow cabinet that's being developed. it started slipping in there with the czar here and a czar there. >> she found out that she has tumors in her belly. they are growing. >> i guess i would ask what the situation is in terms of income eligibility. >> she needs to get this operation quickly. >> this is amendment number c-10. it has to do with transparencies and czars. >> she has no insurance. >> us as neighbors helping
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people that need our help. >> there are charitable organizations. there are hospitals here who do provide charity care. >> well, you just saw it. the republicans have no solutions. that's all you need to know as an american. all this talk about, well, we tried to work with the democrats and it's all their bill and there's no bipartisanship. show up with a plan, folks, over on the conservative ledger. you're making all of us think you just don't care about people, that it's all about the money and all about profit. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. do americans get that republicans have no solutions in this debate? text "a" for yes, "b" for no to 622639. we'll bring you the results later on in the show tonight. joining me now, congressman jim moran of virginia, give us an update on the public option in the house. the blue dogs are softening their position a little bit.
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congressman, what about that? >> i think the democrats will be there when it comes down to it. nancy pelosi is a strong leader. she is committed to a public option, and the facts -- the facts speak for themselves, ed. it's a no-brainer. you know, it's not just that the republicans have no alternative solutions. they have no heart. this is really -- >> they're heartless? >> well, this is about caring about the rest of our american community. >> you said they're heartless? they don't care? why don't they have a plan? >> well, i'm not -- i'm just -- well, if they cared enough about the people that tens of millions of people who have no insurance, they would come up with a plan. i don't know why they don't have a plan. i think it's because they feel that the people that are going to be covered, perhaps, are not their constituents because they're going to lose campaign contributions. i don't know what it is.
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>> congressman, when are the democrats going to say to hell with the conservatives, to heck, let's go, let's go, let's get this done. they're telling people at town hall meetings to go see a charity. they're telling people at town hall meetings to go seek out some program. why weren't they, in your opinion, is it all about beating obama? is it all about possibly giving a new president a political victory? is that what it is? >> you know, i think a lot of this is residue that's from an attitude that stouted back about 1980, that the government isn't your friend, that the government is the problem. this was the reagan mantra. it was designed to cut taxes and benefit the wealthy and the powerful, and people still have that attitude. heck, there are 110 million people who have government-paid health insurance in this country and they don't want it to change. >> i want to see some toughness out of the democrats. i'll tell you why, because this new cbs/"the new york times"
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poll, the view of republicans in the congress is almost at 60% unfavorable. >> yeah. >> when you don't have solutions and you're the party of no, why even visit with these folks? >> but you know, ed, that's not the constituency that elects them. they're appealing to their base and every year it gets a narrower and narrower base. a whole lot of the stuff they're putting out there, they can't afford for to be true because it wouldn't be accepted. >> let me tell you about this right wing radio network. you're trying to count it. people are fed a whole pack of lies. >> how out of touch they are -- the united states chamber of commerce, an organization that always lines up with the republicans, say the reality with the business community is we want reform while some republicans want to stop this train and start over. this is not just, just not going to happen. there you have bruce josten, u.s. chamber of commerce. you've even got one of the most
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favorable groups for the republicans, u.s. chamber of commerce is telling them it isn't going to happen. >> the average insurance premium this year was over $13,000, as much as an annual income for somebody on minimum rate. >> how much more ammunition do the democrats need? this ought to be done, and let's get after it. you know, the blue dogs, the blue dogs got to be paying attention to this too. they're teetering, i think, on being obstructionists. >> i'm note going to speak for the blue dogs. i think many of them are going to be with us on a public option. what they would like to see is three amendments to the health care plan when it hits the house floor. one of them would be single payer, another would be public option, another would be cooperatives. they're all going to vote for the non-profit cooperatives but maybe they'll vote for two out of three.
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we'll get a bill out of the house. hopefully the senate is going to have a bill. you know, this needs to be ted kennedy's legacy. we admire him because he had heart. you've got heart. that's why i watch your show every night. i think the american people have heart. i don't know -- >> we are winning this? >> we got to win it. >> i believe we're -- >> we've got to win because we care about the rest of the country. >> congressman, great to have you with us. jim moran of virginia, on appropriations with us here on "the ed show" tonight. now, the republicans have no support for their inaction plan on health care. business isn't on boards. medical professionals aren't on board. the righties, you know what they're doing? they're trying to lure doctors into this advertising campaign. congressman tom price of georgia, by the way, he's a doctor, he's sending faxes to doctors asking them to be a part of a physicians' council to advise congress.
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it sounds like he's asking for nonpartisan professional advice except this is owned and operated by the national republican congressional committee. it's a righty campaign group. the nrcc and price are just pushing ideas that are completely nuts. >> we will not rest until we make certain that government-run health care is ended. >> that's price's advice, end medicare. think, 94% of americans have it love it. that leaves seniors out on the street. doctors don't support that. now price is trying to hook doctors into joining him in a republican ad campaign? this is how they operate. i've been getting e-mails from docket who are are absolutely furious about this. i'm going to have one of them on this program on monday. it's an interview you're going to want to see. it cuts right to the chase. the republicans don't have a plan. they're mean spirited in their debate.
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they're talking hateful stuff about barack obama. grandma's not going to get the plug pulled on her. there are no death panels. now they're trying to go out getting doctors on board faking them into an ad campaign. this is what we're supposed to negotiate with? joining me now, sam stein, political writer for "the huffington post." >> hey, ed. >> how are you doing? >> doing well. >> congratulations. you're married. >> i am married, yes. three weeks so far of my life. >> congratulations. you nour back into it. i want to talk about it. when you left, what was the public option talk then and what is it right now? can you sense things have changed? >> yeah. you see it in the polling data, obviously. when i left, end of august, roughly, the narrative was the public option was dead. today we have it back up to 65%. talk on the hill, you can sense people are generally more
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optimistic about, sherrod brown, for instance, talked about how he thinks the votes are there -- >> sherrod said rahm is wrong. >> i think it's telling he's willing to call out the chief of staff of the white house on that. that said, not all news was great. there was this hint from harry reid in a teletown hall today in nevada where he praised the trigger. that's where he thinks the end game is though he is supportive of a public option. it remains to be seen. i think the house is going to get a public option. i agree. what happens in finance is key and we'll see a vote on tuesday. >> it's going to be interesting. a great move by senator jay rockefeller who said, look, we don't have a public option or guaranteed competition in a public forum for the private sector, so let's get all the democrats on this committee on board and have them vote on a public option. this is going to be a real tough vote for senator conrad of north
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dakota. >> hosure. conrad in an interview yesterday with "washington post" said he was not in favor of a public option. it's twofold. who's going to blink first? you have poll numbers. democrats in congress are enjoying better numbers than republicans resoundly. president obama received a boost in how he's handling health care. the question is, which conservative democrat iic senat is going to blink and say, wow, the public is on the side of the democratic party. why am i entertaining this idea? the other question, there's a new campaign to get every democrat committed to voting to end a republican filibuster. ben nelson's office reached out to be personally and said the senator is not committing through ending the filibuster. it's up to the leadership to corral the votes and say, be with us. >> ben said he's not going to vote for anything unless there's some republicans on. >> yeah. >> i'm still struggling with some of the democrats because
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the american people are with guaranteed competition for the private sector. they have got to realize that. they've got to realize how unfavorable the american people are viewing republicans right now. >> that's the other story we had. we got a memo at "the huffington post." it said with the finance bill they're mandating people to buy insurance but they're not giving the people the option of buying government insurance. that is hugely unpopular when you poll in blue dog districts and in the state of maine. if you offer the government option and require them to buy insurance, all of the sudden the popularity is through the roof. when is a senator on the fence going to look at these numbers and say, okay, enough of this? i'm going to be on board. that's the question. it comes down to can the white house convince them this is a political, palatable way to go? >> they don't want to go home and face the 37th commercial saying the taxes are going to go up now that we got health care reform. they're trying to figure out how to do this without having to be stuck with a tax increase for anybody, for that matter, even if it is the top 2%. sam stein, back to work.
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congratulations on no longer being a single dude. >> thank you. >> i think she's a lucky gal. you're a good guy. >> i'm a lucky guy. up next, we have caught iran in another dangerous light. new revelations of tehran's secret plans to enrich uranium. president obama told ahmadinejad to back down. his response to the president is, back off. plus, republican lady's man john ensign takes a trip to the psycho zone. he's got a dandy for us on why it's okay to break the law. "daily show" co-creator liz winsted is in the house tonight. she discovered a disturbing kos stum connection between tommy delay and no ma qadhafi. i can't wait to hear that. product do women think is best?
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iran has a right to peaceful nuclear power that meets the energy needs of its people, but the size and configuration of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program. the iranian government must now demonstrate its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law. >> president obama comes out strong with a warning to iran,
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come clean with your nuclear activities because we have proof you've been cheating. ahmadinejad's response is, that's not nice. american, british and french officials brief the international atomic energy agency on a secret enrichment facility inside iran. their intelligence shows it's not a peaceful kind of nuclear plant. so much to discuss here on this story. let's get right to it. joe, the president of plough shares fund and cliff may, president of the foundation for defensive democracies. gentlemen, i would venture to say at least half the american people have no clue what the international atomic agency is, what they do, how we've gotten to this point with the iranians. joe, i'll let you start it out. >> an agency started by president dwight d. eisenhower, it is our eyes and ears on the ground. >> an you trust them? >> you can trust them to do what they do, monitor the existing facilities. as we're just seeing with iran,
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you have to supplement their intelligence with our own national intelligence. we did that in a dramatic way today. >> joe is being nice here. this is a u.n. agency that is pretty much useless. they didn't know what iran was doing, they should have. it's their job. it appears they found out from western, probably american, other intelligence agencies of iran, had this secret facility building part of the nuclear weapons' program. iran wrote a letter, by the way, we have a nuclear facility. meant to tell you that. we kind of slipped on that. >> ahmadinejad says he's within the rules. >> he is not within the rules. president obama, good for him, made that very clear in the sound bite we just heard. we know this also from members of congress on both sides of the aisle who have said they're building nuclear weapons. we need to stop them. >> i can't believe i'm saying this, cliff, but i complete agree with you. he violated a safe guard violation. he was supposed to declare this facility.
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he did not. he was hiding it from the iaea. >> chuck todd reporting today the white house officials are in a -- they feel good about the fact they got the russians on their side because the russians were taken by surprise on this. the dynamic between the united states, russia, is now changing somewhat, is it not, joe? >> let me start with ythis. obama told medvedev at the u.n. this week, a private, just the two of them session. this is why we're concerned. here's the information. good for him medvedev stepped up. this is when he gave his statement he's not in favor of sanctions in general but sometimes they're unavoidable. looks like we have russia on our side. if we get russia, most likely get china. they don't like to be isolated. >> here's an important point missed on most of the shows. it would be great to have russia on board for sanctions, great to
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china that on board. if they don't break the sanctions, don't have to be part of them, just don't break them. we can do it. evan bayh, jon kyl, joe lieberman have legislation to cut off gasoline. we don't want chinese violating the sanctions i hope the u.s. if serious will put on iran. >> the politics of this, the president, i thought, did a fabulous job today. this gives him an opportunity to show the world we can handle this and he can get everybody together. how did he do today? >> here's the key to this. this is what you have to understand. obama has known about this secret facility from the beginning. he was briefed on to during the transition. our intelligence has known about this for two years. re-evaluate everything you thought about obama. re-evaluate all those criticisms he got from the right from being weak and naive and extending the hand of friendship. he knew what he was doing. >> this is what concerns me. i have no quarrels with what he said today. since he has known it for so long why is he delaying and delaying doing anything serious?
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now we have -- the president, having the brits say draw the line in the sand? isn't that what you want? here's the test right now. does obama say, okay, we're going to talk to the iranians but i want congress to get those bills on my desk so i have -- i have not just carrots but i've got a stick i can threm as well >> this takes the pressure off the united states, does it not? we're not going it alone. >> we have to lead or it will not happen. >> we are leading. >> this is the most dramatic leadership we've seen on iran in nine years. >> we haven't seen it -- what we've seen so far is the president saying what he knows, as you point out, for a long time the iranians are cheating. they've been cheating and lying for 20 years. that's true. i'm glad he said it. >> joe -- all right. >> he's got the europeans with him, the russians with him and the iranian people with him. engagement has to energize the
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movement in iran. we have ahmadinejad -- >> will he move a head? will he get serious about moving ahead? >> he is serious about moving ahead. >> great discussion. thank you. coming up, senator john ensign is all about the constitution, but his newest theory about the law of the land and health care reform is pretty nuts. even the most conservative guy on the supreme court thinks it's out of bounds. you know what that means. he's going to "psycho talk" next. a sanctuary. a command center. ( both revving ) a sophisticated sedan. a sports car. together. nissan maxima, the four-door sports car. now get a new nissan maxima for 0% apr financing for 60 months. garth, you're up. hold on, i'm at capitalone.com picking a photo...
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welcome back to "the ed show." "psycho talk" time tonight on a friday. senator john ensign, it's nutty enough he's trying to put amendments about czars on the senate finance committee bill, but this is even more wing nut. he's in with the tenthers, that's right. he says anybody who believes in the constitution will be able to get out of any requirement to buy health insurance. >> some people hold the constitution pretty high in their lives. if they believe this thing is unconstitutional and they then say i'm not -- i choose not to have health insurance, i'm not going to buy it, we could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously because they believe in the u.s. constitution, we should take this thing very, very seriously and consider what we are doing to the american people who are going to be protesting. some people may even do this
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just out of conscious, drop their health insurance and want to take this thing on. >> hmm. seems like he's been influenced quite a bit by protesters. first of all, senator, we're pretty sure people aren't going to take their lives. and the lives of their families into their hands. would you agree with that? not when an overwhelming majority want health care reform in the first place. you actually believe senator, someone who claims any law is unconstitutional should be allowed to ignore that law? the beacon of conservatism on the supreme court, just as scalia says, letting people do that defies constitutional tradition and common sense. senator ensign, maybe you're still sulking from having to ask your parents for money to give a gift to your mistress and husband. to say anyone a law is unconstitutional and ignore it is childish, illegal "psycho talk." coming up, republican weasel
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eric cantor says it's time to set the reset button on health care reform. i think we ought to hit the reset button on him and see if he'll come up with an answer for the people who are dying because they don't have the insurance he's got. we'll put it to our panel coming up. "daily show" co-creator lizz winstead takes us dancing with delay. she says the hammer is really bringing sexy backwards. (announcer) sleep can help lighten your mood... ...and improve your concentratio tylenol pm quiets the pain and helps you sleep. because the better you sleep, the better you feel.
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welcome back to "the ed show." tonight, the democrats are back to 60 votes in the senate. paul kirk, former chairman of the dnc, longtime staffer to senator ted kennedy, was sworn in by vice president joe biden this afternoon. appointed by deval patrick to temporarily fill kennedy's seat. special election for the senator will be held in january.
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it's more good news for the democrats on the health care front, and in the fight, a 60-seat supermajority in the senate and these numbers, today, from a "the new york times"/cbs news poll. 65% of people want, john feeh y feehery, did you hear that, they want a public option. 75% of the people think you health care system needs fundamental changes or an overhaul. join ing me, johnfeehery. i love the numbers after the town hall meetings. >> a couple days ago you said eric cantor wants to kill people. he doesn't want to. he wants to do the best thing for the american people. eric cantor and his people introduced the bill on june 17th, refundable taxes, so people can associate -- they're going to put the plan together when they can. >> no, honestly, no guaranteed
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competition for the private sector. the republicans are not on the table with -- my comment, let me be straight on this here, now, he had no answer for that woman with cancer in richmond, virginia. that's the problem. the republicans are not fixing these loopholes. people are dying. you mean to tell me, the republicans are allowing people to fall by the wayside? how else can our -- can else can i interpret that? >> two points. the democrats have overwhelming majorities. this is such a good idea, they would have already passed -- >> i agree, they're slow to the punch. >> republicans do have plans. i worked in the house for 15 years -- we passed health care -- >> they don't have a plan for that lady in richmond, virginia. >> they do. she can pay for it and get all thematic advancements and go and pay for the insurance with money she can get. refundable tax credit. if you don't have enough money to pay -- >> she was told to go to a charity and get in line.
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now, john, we can do better than that as a country. i'll let you come back to that. >> you have ed riled up. >> that's my job. you guys are hosting now. >> having paul kirk in the senate is a great thing for massachusetts. honorable, smart, decent person when is going to do a great job. a great thing for the democrats as you point out. the republicans are trying to put ul roadblocks. see it in the finance committee. they want to delay, say no, and kick the can down the road. the time is now for health care reform. the american people are demanding it. the democrats are going to give it to them. >> senate finance committee is going to have a vote on public option. it's a brave move from the standpoint jay rockefeller is saying, you democrats aren't for public option in the finance committee? you're going to get called out on it. >> i think the question is whether or not the public option, 60 votes in the senate, calling them out and making them cast a vote on it is perfectly fine. at the end of the day health care reform is going to go forward with or without a public option and needs to. >> do you agree with eric cantor
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we should set the reset button? >> understand when republicans went home in august their constituents said do not allow this bill to go forward. the best way to get a bipartisan bill is to start over and come up with those elements. 80% of those elements everyone agrees with, re-brand the package to go back to their constituents and say, yes, i want to vote for something. republicans want to vote for something. worked there 15 years, we can pass it step-by-step in a bipartisan way. the fact of the matter is in the house nancy pelosi doesn't want a bipartisanship. that's the element of the house. >> you haven't come to the table with anything. >> june 17th. >> mr. bunt said back on june 17th we're going to give you a bill. here we are almost the first of october, and we've got eric cantor saying let's hit the restart button. >> listen, if there was going to be a bipartisan bill, if what john is saying is accurate, it would have come out of the senate finance committee.
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it was this disappoints after the months of meetings with the republicans, the best hope of a bipartisan deal. every single time -- >> this is senator kyl and senator stabenow going back and forth in the senate finance committee. >> i don't need maternity care, so requiring that to be in my insurance policy is something i don't need and will make the policy more expensive. >> if i could inject once, i think your mom probably did. but -- >> well, let's -- jon kyl, the other day came up with an amendment. he was protecting these folks for putting out faulty material to the people that are getting medicare and said it's okay to lie to them because it's freedom of speech. >> if you have people putting mandates on different plans, the fact of the matter the costs go up. if jon kyl wants to buy a plan that does not have maternity care, he should do so. the thing is going out of control in cost. having more government mandates and a bigger government is not going to control the cost.
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never happened before in history. >> he may not need maternity leave but needs his head examined if he thinks he's going to get re-elected in the state that has 53% women voters. he probably doesn't think mammograms should be required and probably thinks people with breast cancer should go stand in line somewhere. >> that is -- >> he doesn't need maternity leave. >> this is amazing to me. why don't the republicans just sign on to some big reform and if it doesn't work the president has said, it's on my shoulders, it's on my watch. i'm willing to pay the political price later if it doesn't work. republicans, it's okay with me, you're isolates yourselves. going down in the polls big time. the american people aren't with you. you have to come up with the pre-existing condition, guarantee competition and you're not doing it. >> we will at the appropriate time. >> when? >> what's happened?
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has nancy pelosi come up with a plan that can pass the house? not yet. she has not. she's waiting for the senate to go first to vote on the public option. when that goes down the blue dogs are going to say we are not voting for that because the m n american people don't want it. >> that may be what happens, john. the democrats one way or another are going to get health care reform. the republicans aren't helping and not being constructive. president obama said something, david axelrod said, i heard it from axelrod which i think is very smart. the president has an obligation to be inclusive and the republicans have an obligation to be obstructionive. he's been inclusive. they have not been constructive. no to everything. >> checkpoint on the blue dogs. are they softening their position in the house do you think? >> i think that health care reform is going to pass. i don't believe there's going to be 60 votes in the senate for a public option. >> reconciliation. what does that do? speed up the budgetary process.
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>> if they're seeing there's weakness on public option they're not going to pay for it. >> pays attention to the new poll numbers that are out, democrats have the momentum u now. this call in the senate finance committee. i think you might see those, when push comes to shove they may do it. gentlemen, good to have you with us. all right. president obama is making it clear that the era of cowboy diplomacy is over. he is standing up to iran. making major headway with russia and the world is behind him. the highest ranking veteran ever elected to the congress will give us a military take on this in just a moment. stay with us. ♪ we will not be quiet. ♪ when we're in a sandwich, you'll know it. we are our own mixed up blend of one of a kind spices. we are miracle whip. and we will not tone it down. minty. handsome!
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in tonight's "playbook," the chess game with iran. we've seen a lot of moves around the board, haven't we? the u.s. says we're not going to build the long-range missile defense in eastern europe, a move russia likes obviously. the russians indicate it's on board with u.s. on stronger sanctions with the iranians. iran informs the iaea this week it has new enrichment facility. says it's completely within the agency's rules. u.s., french and british intelligence shows otherwise. russia isn't backing away from its earlier support of sanctions. i'm joined now by congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania.