iran give up nuclear weapons programs or face the consequences. iran caught red-handed, a secret underground nuclear plant suddenly revealed by president obama. >> the size and configuration of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program. iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they have known iran was building the plant for sometime. but it wasn't until early this week after signs that iran had realized their secret was out that mr. obama began to huddle with allies both at the united nations and then at the g-20 economic summit in pittsburgh. together the leaders decided to go public. >> confronted by the serial deception of many years, the international community has no choice today but to draw a line in the sand. >> reporter: u.s. officials say the plan was close to becoming operational and could have

produced enough material for one or two bombs a year. this isn't the first time iran was caught in violation of nuclear treaties. now despite prior u.n. sanctions and continued presence of international arms inspectors, the iranian president remains defiant. >> translator: what we did was completely legal according to the law. we have informed the agency. the agency will come and take a look and produce a report and it's nothing new. >> reporter: the revelation comes a week before key powers are scheduled to meet with iran on its nuclear program. and with initial signals that russia and perhaps china will back tougher sanctions this time, the president now says the ball is in iran's court. >> i've always said that we do not rule out any options when it comes to u.s. security interests. but i will also reemphasize that my preferred course of action is to resolve this in a diplomatic fashion. it's up to the iranians to

respond. >> reporter: alex the president also said at that press conference in pittsburgh, this serves as a vindication of the policy of diplomacy when it comes to iran citing unlevel unity among allies temporarily in facing down iran and the new threat this presents. >> mike, thank you very much. >> certainly. >> former president clinton is weighing in on the controversy with iran. he's supposed to meet press moderator david gregory. >> i always think it's a good idea, if possible, to look somebody in the eye and have a chance to have a conversation before there's a total breach. i think this is actually healthy this has broken. the iranians must have known the americans knew. somehow they must have found out that or they wouldn't have voluntarily notified the iaea about this. >> you can watch the entire interview with president clinton tomorrow morning on "meet the

press" on nbc. check your local listings for the time. a new report this morning suggests president obama may miss his own deadline to close the prison at guantanamo bay by january. they tell the associated press there have been difficulties completing lengthy review of detainee files and other legal and logistical hurdles. one of his first acts in office was pledging to shut down the prison. joining us live retired army colonel and military analyst jack jacob. good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> detainees at gitmo, what kind of problems is the administration facing closing this prison. >> the principle problem is trying to find a home for these detainees. to my knowledge there hasn't been a single senator that said i think it's a good idea, my constituents think it's a good idea to put them on my soil in our state. there's pushback the president

is getting about closing down guantanamo, a lopsided congressional vote to allocate -- it sounds like a lot of money but it isn't in the scheme of things, $80 million for the purpose of closing down guantanamo got voted down massively. lots of resistance. >> of the 220, how many were the types of hardened criminals, not to be put behind a maximum security wall, out there in society. >> it's difficult to say. most of them, half of them, we've released others before and encountered them on the battlefield, there having taken up arms against us again in achlgt the fact is we're down to a relatively small number who ought to be released. some of the ways in which we've been thinking about is to send them to third party countries but they release them or else they throw them in jail and torture them. this is really a difficult problem. >> okay.

colonel jacobs, thank you. >> you're welcome. moammar gadhafi met with family members of flight 103. he spoke to two families. lisa who lost her brother in the bombing, gadhafi said he was sorry for the loss but didn't go into details. 278 were killed when it blew up over lockerbie scotland. a scottish magistrate released the bomber. the release caused outrage. an al qaeda bomb plot here in the u.s. here is what we know right now. federal prosecutors say najibullah zazi planned it for the 9/11 universe. he was intent on making a bomb and being in new york city on 9/11. they stopped him on the 10th.

a beauty supply warehouse shows him shopping. he bought unusually large quantities of hydrogen peroxide and acetone. several more of his accomplices remain at large. they are trying to search for them. coming up in a few minutes, i'll be joined by nbc terrorist analyst to take a closer look at the war on terror. we're learning more about the death of a census worker in kentucky. his body was discovered by a family visiting a rural kentucky cemetery. jerry weaver tells the associated press that he was gagged and hands and feet were bound with duct tape. authorities say the word "fed" was written across his chest. officials say the preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation. the director of the census bureau says the agency is taking necessary precautions. >> we've suspended activity in that county. and notified our client agencies

that we've done do until we figure out what's happening. this is a very complicated matter. it isn't clear what happened. but prudence tells us we should stop for a bit for the protection of our staff. >> officials say it is clear sparkman's death was not natural but all other possibilities are being considered. a late night commute takes longer than expected for a group of passengers in suburban washington, d.c. ten passengers were trapped inside a metro station half an hour late saturday night in alexandra, virginia after the station manager locked up before the last train arrived. one passenger used his cell phone to contact the police who later arrived to free them. a new development in the story of two couples united by a big mistake. the fertility clinic transferred frozen embryos into the wrong woman. car carolyn savage carried the baby. they plan to give her to the

biological parents. the baby said to be in good helt. after a break more weather across the southeast. fourteen georgia counties have been declared disaster areas. president obama has declared parts of georgia by ordering federal assistance to help with the effort. for more across the country, here is meteorologist bill karins. >> good saturday morning to you, alex. we've got a lot of interesting weather. heat out west, cool weather in the northeast. the big story the rain once again. this isn't as bad as earlier in the week where we had flash flooding but heavy rain and isolated flash flooding occurring through kentucky, tennessee, a little there in mississippi. eventually this will sweep to the east today. we will get wet through alabama, georgia and right through the mountainous areas of the appalachians. that's the worst weather. you can see the forecast. temperatures will be cool and humid. that's enough for the heavy rain in the deep south.

a chance of showers and storms through areas of detroit today. we will be dry in the northeast and it will be cool. the other story, heat out west. summer will not give up. it's going to be 101 today in sacramento. a little bit of everything out there today on this saturday, alex. >> call it a mixed bag. bill karins, thanks so much. first time home buyers scrambling to take advantage of a tax credit. later, barbie's new breakout role on the big screen. those stories coming up on "msnbc saturday." ♪ ♪ i got troubles, oh ♪ but not today ♪ 'cause they're gonna wash away ♪ ♪ this old heart ♪ gonna take them away [ quacks ]

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new details about the man accused of plotting a bomb attack in new york city. najibullah zazi was planning to attack on the 9/11 anniversary. they caught him buying large quantities of hydrogen peroxide and acetone. a terrorism analyst joins me from washington. good morning, roger. >> good morning, alex. >> look, in the past, sometimes simple luck stopped the roll of a terror attack. did luck play a role stopping zazi. >> luck always plays a role. there's luck, timing. here is an individual talking to bad people in pakistan, known al qaeda operative. as soon as he did that he came on the intelligence community law enforcement radar screen. partly it's always a lucky break but also good work on our part, too. >> what's your sense, is zazi going to lead to other potential

terrorists. >> i don't think he's part of a broader network of multiple terror cells and multiple conspiracies. i think the real question is who else ises trying to help him. law enforcement expects additional arrests in the coming days. what they need, zazi or somebody else to tell the full extent of the plot to them and others involved. that's one key piece they are missing. >> when you heard about this, roger, what was your greatest fear? >> we've talked for a while now alex about why this terrorist safe haven in pakistan is a threat to the united states. it's not just pakistan but al qaeda operation being able to bring them, train them, give them the capability and send them back to their host country. we've seen opportunities in europe and mideast. first time we've seen this in the united states. that makes this a far more serious threat and the type of threat you have to take very,

very seriously. >> how disturbing is it for you that this man is an american citizen. >> what we don't know is whether or not this is the beginning of a broader trend. if this is a one off, we have one self-radicalized individual who then was able to go to pakistan, get the training and come back. that's bad in and of itself. if this speaks to a broader trend where you have immigrants who come in, decide to undertake jihad for a variety of reasons, go back to the al qaeda home office, get the capability and return to the united states, then we've got a far bigger problem on our hand. you cannot stop that on a regular basis. that's where the luck and the timing become very important. >> to what do you attribute the reasoning behind no more -- no terrorism attacks since 9/11 domestical domestically. >> i think it's two things. 9/11 hijackers were extremely lucky. everything broke their way that summer. al qaeda hasn't been able to insert another type of group

similar to the 9/11 hijackers in the united states. second thing, we've done serious damage to the al qaeda network on a global basis. we're really pounding the not out of it in pakistan and also afghanistan. but the third reason is the most important, which is the ability of the islamic population of the united states to be radicalized is far lower than what we see in europe and the mideast. that's one news story and one i don't think gets enough attention. >> had zazi been able to pull off whatever he planned, from what we know about those plans, how large scale an event would this have been? >> well, if we believe that we've heard so far, which is multiple backpacks. he was trying to use acetone, explosives used in the london bombings of '5, if he had several targets, several backpacks, he could have killed a lot of people. what we don't know still is what

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>> cooperate fully. energy agency, take action to demonstrate its peaceful intentions. on this the international community is more united than ever before. >> join me now live, jon decker, washington correspondent for reuters. another good morning to you. >> good morning to you, alex. >> did all of this catch the white house by surprise, john? the fact that iran admits to second nuclear enrichment and facility, does this help the u.s. long-term? >> well, the letter caught the u.s. by surprise. i don't believe the u.s. was expecting iran to fess up, tell the iaea in a letter monday that they have this second facility in iran that's producing what the u.s. believes is weapons grade plutonium. that being said, i think the u.s. took that letter and on thursday we saw the results of what the u.s. wants to do, present a unified front against

ir iran. we saw the president surrounded by the prime minister, also got a strong statement coming from the russian president, medvedev as it relates to iran. that gives them a lot going into the talks. >> what's behind medvedev providing support? that may be a surprise to many supporters. >> they have been cool to the idea of sanctions against iran. interesting, though the white house would deny any quid pro quo, just a week earlier the u.s. announced it was scrapping its missile defense system in europe. this very much pleased the russians and you could argue the russians were essentially paying back the u.s. for their actions in supporting what the u.s. wants to do against iran, which is institute tougher sanctions against iran that may come in as early as two months from now.

>> okay. the president says that the international negotiations with iran scheduled for this coming thursday in geneva now take on an added urgency. what is the u.s.'s role going to be in all of this in terms of players in geneva, how high level are they? >> they are very high level. they are senior diplomats from five countries that represent themselves on u.n. security council plus germany and of course a representative from iran. it should be noted this is the first direct talks with iran at such a high level in 30 years. the u.s. will be leading the talks, but alongside very much so france and great britain. one party that i think should be mentioned here, alex, and that's china. china issued a mild rebuke to iran in its statement it put out yesterday. i think that china is sort of the wild card here. they do a lot of business in iran. they are the largest investor in iran. just this week china announce add huge deal as it relates to

gasoline supplies for iran. they are going to be the wild card as it relates to them coming on board tough sangs against iran. >> i just spoke with senator cardin, you may have heard that interview, that may be the kind of sanction that hits the hardest, the gasoline and oil spry. >> absolutely. i think he has it right. >> jon decker, thank you very much. you won't want to miss "meet the press," talk to democratic senator from arizona about the course the obama administration is taking on afghanistan. that is on "meet the press" tomorrow morning on nbc. check your local listings for the time. the makers of barbie hoping to make big bucks in hollywood. mattel making family friendly live action movies based on the world's most famous plastic doll. the film is sure to be a far cry from barbie's first ever commercial in 1959. >> barbie's only $3.

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with our allies condemning the iranian program. in our meeting and statement, president medvedev of russia agreed he must change course. >> ahmadinejad says his country complied with u.n. rules. i'm joined live on the phone by a member of the senate foreign relations committee. joining me live in studio, msnbc military analyst jack jacob. good morning to you both. >> good morning, alex. >> senator, i'll begin with you. does the senate relations committee know the president was going to make the statement he did yesterday on iran and what was your reaction to it. >> i heard about it, as a lot of people did, in the early morning hours. i was not surprised but i was outraged, i think like a lot of americans are. by one count, the iranians have lied to the international community three times and been

caught in three instances. it's time now to very seriously consider and i would support sanctions of one kind or another. we can continue to talk, continue to engage but we have to use sanctions. the congress has a number of measures to do that. one example i'm looking at is the divestment of mention fund assets, where pension funds, they want to take pension funds out of companies doing business with iran, prohibited by a series of cases that have been litigated over the years. so we want to get the state department to do that. we want to give the president every tool he needs to act u.n. laterally if he chooses to do that. this idea of only waiting tore china and russia total on board i think is really limiting our options. >> does that include giving the president support for military options? >> i think what i said all along and i think what any --

virtually any senator would say with regard to options, you have to give the president every option possible. i really believe, though, economic sanctions could have a tremendously significant impact on the iranians and force some change in conduct. but this idea we can just keep engaging and talking can't be an end in itself. we should use diplomatic strength. we should also use sanctions and any other method, short of military action. i don't think that's in the consideration stage. but you cannot take any option off the table, i believe. >> senator casey, i'm going to bring in jack jacobs. colonel, what are some of the stumbling blocks. >> i think he mentioned, one is our resolve. we haven't had any of it to do anything except hope iran is eventually going to come around. the other is russia. we have been relying on russia

as the linchpin. russia has been a stumbling block. they have huge economic relationships with iran, particularly in the energy sector. by the way, they have had more than 500 advisors inside iran for years assisting the iranians to put together fissile material. and our ham fisted way trying to engendered support in the international arena has worked either with the vice president of the united states going to the republic of georgia insinuating areas russia would prefer, geographical areas russia would prefer we stay out of, omega veiled threats. we can't do that anymore. we either have to do something about this threat economically or prepare to do something militarily. >> okay. senator casey, i want to ask both of you in terms of a timetable. senator, when do you think a timetable -- how long do we wait to see if any potential sanctions be imposed, be they

coming october 1st or shortly thereafter? how long do we wait to see their affect before taking further action? >> that's a difficult question to answer. you have to give a reasonable time to evaluate. there is an opportunity, though, i guess it's thursday, october 1st, there's already scheduled a meeting of the security councilmembers, so-called p5 plus 1. you've got china and russia there but also the united states and england and france who are already i think moving in the direction of at least serious considerations of sanctions along with germany. that's an opportunity to push further. but in terms of how long you apply, that's something i think is going to be above my pay grade. in other words, those who have some experience, the colonel might have some insight into it

on the military question and expertise. >> you have a nice way of segueing for me, senator. >> the short answer is not long. i think we have 12 to 18 months before the capability -- their capability is going to be in excess of what we're going to be able to stop. there's something we haven't considered in terms of time tables, that is the direct threat to israel. we can sit around and talk about it, but ultimately israel is going to be the most threat and feel the most threatened and out of our control if israel decides they can't wait for the united states to do something. they have to act to do something themselves. >> senator casey and colonel jacobs, thanks very much. >> an interactive look at the key players in iran, head to msnbc.com, click on world news. more now on a potentially major breakthrough in the fight against aids.

for the first time reservers say an kpermtal vaccine can cut the risk of being infected by hiv by 31%. it was conducted in thailand. recent failures led many to believe such a vaccine might never be possible. joining us, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, a co-sponsor of the study. good morning to you, doctor. >> good morning. >> how was this carried out? how did the researchers come up with 38% efficacy number. >> it was a large trial conducted in thailand. 16,000 people. 8,000 got a vaccine. 8,000 got a placebo or mock vaccine. then over a period of years after instructing them and counseling them about how to avoid infection, they went out and lived their lives. a period of three years from the time the last vaccination was given, there were a certain number of infections in the people not vaccinated and a

certain number of infections in the people that were vaccinated, and there was 30% less chance getting infected if you were vaccinated. it's important because it's the first time literally in over two decades that we've ever had any positive result from any vaccine trial that we've done with hiv. so although it's not the end game in the sense of this is it, we're here. we're not there by any means, it's a start to try and figure out what the next steps are. >> would you give a vaccine with a 31% success rate to a large number of people? >> no. the answer in general is no. we certainly would not do that in the united states because of the relatively low infection rate in the united states. there are some countries in which the rate is so high they would try anything with a preventive affect to it in combination with a variety of other things. but in general, 31% efficacy is

low to modest. you would not think -- i would say not only think, you would not act on that, certainly not here. so no one is considering under any circumstances to make this a vaccine for people. it's a stepping stone towards learning more about how we can amplify or maximize that affect. we'd want something like 60, 70 or 80% before you consider it. >> so doctor, what do you do next to try to get to that point, something with a 60 to 70% efficacy. >> that's a great question and that's where the work begins. what we do now is try and get immunity. you go back, look at the samples, figure out what is it we induced in the bodies of the individuals that were protected that was associated with protection. then you go back and design a vaccine that would focus on inducing that particular type of response so you could get it way up and maximize it. really, it's a question of using this as a first stepping stone,

which indeed is a first stepping stone and try and build a vaccine that builds on the positive aspects of this particular vaccine. >> i'd love to hear a potential timetable from you. this has taken 20 years to get us where we are now. how long to a vaccine where everybody can use and do you envision a future where there is no aids? >> first of all, it is impossible to give any time line when you're dealing with a problem like this about a vaccine. people have gotten into trouble over the years trying to predict. it's going to be next year we have it, not even close to that. the thing that makes me cautiously optimistic about this and having done this 25 years i have to be cautious there's at least a feasibility of it. do i envision a world without aids? i certainly envision a world with a marked decrease in aids. there's a lot of other ways to prevent besides the vaccine. we really need to move on

preventive measures before we get a vaccine. >> dr., always a pressure. thank you very much. >> good to be here. >> for more on this head to our website. there you'll find the latest on the hiv vaccine plus a report on how some schools have unsafe water. you can check all that out at msnbc.com. a mixed bag for the housing sector this week. new home sales rose .7% missing wall street expectations. sales of previously owned homes fell 2.7% after a gain. there's an $8,000 tax credit. joining me live from washington, a "washington post" financial reporter. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i know you just broke this article about first time home buyers and the tax credit associated with them, what is this program all about? how long is it going to be around? >> this program is about getting people to buy homes. it's target for firstime home buyers only.

originally it was put into effect april 2008 and it was a $7,500 credit you had to pay back. that didn't appeal to many people, the payback. the congress then changed the law and made it an $8,000 tax credit you didn't have to pay back. that has had a lot of people very interested and a lot of people buying. it is supposed to expire november 30th. >> give the expiration a mom. dina, is there proof, evidence, anecdotal or otherwise that this has actually gotten people into the housing market? >> the real estate industry and some outside analysts as well have done their own studies and calculations using computer models, they say it's gotten somewhere around 350,000 people spot market that wouldn't have otherwise bought a home. now on the opposite side, a lot of skeptics don't believe that and think that people are probably out there because of the low prices and low interest rates. >> okay. you mentioned the november 30th

deadline. is congress going to extend this program? if so, to whom? to everyone or specific groups? >> that is the big question. as i said, expires november 309. there are a lot of bills out there to either extend this tax credit or to expand it. the most prominent bill would extend the tax credit through june 1st, 2010. that seems to have gained some support. there's another bill out there that would expand the tax credits to $15,000 and open it up to anyone, not just firstime home buyers. it also wouldn't have any income limitations. everyone i'm speaking to is saying there's an appetite to extend the tax credit in its current form, not so much an appetite to expand it to $15,000 but it's a toss-up right now. >> what's the general consensus on if it doesn't get extended past november 30th, how much it might damage the housing industry? >> the real estate industry says this would be extremely

damaging. they were starting to lose a bit of momentum, because as you mentioned, there had been sales gains for the past couple of months. prices have started increasing through most of the country. some of the argument was if the housing market is improving, we don't need the tax credit in place anymore. but some of the more recent numbers have not been as good or as optimistic. maybe that works in favor of the add vobvocates of the tax credi >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> still more on the arrest of the man accused of planning another 9/11. his lawyers say investigators are miss ag key piece of evidence. more on "msnbc saturday." but more people prefer this sauce. winner of the blind taste test. the sweet and savory taste of prego. it's in there.

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the white house prefer he not run to hold the seat. 62% of voters say obama administration is wrong to suggest paterson should not run for office. 20% think washington is well within its rights to get involved. good morning. >> good morning. >> members of the house delegation sent a strong message from white house chief of staff rahm emanuel, it was time for paterson to move on. paterson going to listen? >> no question there's a lot of concern among democrats in washington up for re-election next year about david paterson running on the top of the ticket in 2010. they are concerned his low approval numbers could drag down democrats all throughout the state. these democrats sent a very strong message to the white house saying, look, we don't want david paterson on the ticket next year. that message has been relayed from the white house to david paterson.

>> is the situation that dire for paterson? >> look, his numbers are just about as low as you can go. they are about 20%. so there's little question he's very vulnerable, particularly if former new york mayor rudy giuliani decides to get in this race. giuliani has been talking pretty openly about the possibility of him potentially getting in this race. he's expected to make an announcement in november. if he does, paterson could be in trouble. >> well, as you know, politics can turn around quickly for somebody. is it expected david paterson will run? could he win? do you see a chance of him winning? his wife says he's running. >> his wife says he's running. not only does his wife say he's running, he says he's running. he's very defiant. he says you don't back down. look, if he runs, anything could happen. right now things aren't looking too good for him, though if attorney general andrew cuomo

decides to get in the race, primary, paterson could be in trouble. >> alex with politico, thanks, axe. >> thanks for having me. >> don't miss "meet the press." governor david paterson will join them live. still ahead michael moore on his decision to go after the financial sector in his new movie. in the next hour price war, the war of video games on "msnbc saturday." for orville redenbacher's popcorn. two minutes can seem like an eternity. with walmart's unbeatable prices, you can bring your family together with orville redenbacher's popcorn every game day. save money. live better. walmart.

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president obama said this morning the discovery of iran's nuclear plant is a disturbing pattern of evasion by iran. he's urging the nation to come clean and open the facility to inspectors. ahmadinejad said the country hasn't done anything illegal. yesterday i spoke with former crown prince of iran and asked him how the iranian people feel about what's going on? >> they realize how dangerously

close we're getting because of the adventurism and failing to come clear. the central issue is not the nuclear issue but the human rights and lack of political freedom issue. >> with me is a senior adviser for strategic international studies in washington, also professor at penn tate university. good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> i'd like to see what you think about what the former crown prince told me, the focus of the iranian people not so much on the nuclear issue, rather human rights issue. >> obviously he's correct. if you look at what's happened after the revolution, you have riots in the street specifically saying we're interested in iran and not international issues. >> okay. i want to talk about your perspective here because you're iranian. you say once again iran got caught cheating. you don't believe ahmadinejad's statement that it properly notified iaea about the

facility. why did it bother telling iaea about it. >> the cheating part is important. if you compare north korea to iran, north korea is saying we want the bomb, have the bomb, boom, here is the bomb. iran has traditionally said, we don't want the bomb, we don't have the bomb. in fact, our supreme leader says it's against the religion. our issue is we don't trust them the issue of trust is important. if they say they have come clean and later we find an additional thing has happened, then they come up saying legally the iaea says we adopt have to report it six months before operational, it's not operational, we used legalese terms to justify the fact we didn't come clean. the element of trust goes away. that's important. >> is iran's ultimate goal nuclear weapons. if so, is it for defense or for

war, the offense? >> i honestly believe what they are telling us, they do not want a nuclear bomb, that's correct. however, they want the capability of having a nuclear bomb and basically break through and have a bomb if necessary within a few months. that is disturbing if we don't trust the regime, which is the situation right now. so i believe they are developing all the capabilities. if you hear obama and even president sarkozy is saying, they are saying you can have the capability of having nuclear power generation but we don't want you to break through and have nuclear bombs. so the whole issue is what do we put together? what kind of system do we put together to protect ourselves globally from that breakthrough. >> what down iran might do to avoid sanctions? >> i think we're going to take baby steps moving forward. i think if you look at what's happened, they first agreed to talk. the letter that they sent even during a post election period

with the legitimacy of the government is being questioned was fairly conciliatory. we didn't like it. it was fairly conciliatory. they are meeting an october one. they said your experts can talk to my experts, so they know what they are saying, et cetera, et cetera. last monday they said they had a facility. he promptly said you can come and inspect it and have the iaea come and inspect it. we're going to take baby steps. i don't think anything will be resolved in october. but we'll have another meeting in december and hope fully we'll have baby steps moving forward. >> from penn state university, thank you very much, appreciate your time. >> pleasure being with you, alex. >> still ahead, five real life ways you can tell the economy is back on track. we'll show them to you on "msnbc saturday." bill-- why is dick butkus here? i hired him to speak. a lot of fortune 500 companies use him. but-- i'm your only employee. we're gonna start using fedex to ship globally-- that means billions of potential customers.

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the secret is ou out, iran's hidden nuke factory. what's the west going to do about it? on the terror front, what's next for the man accused of plotting to attack new york on 9/11? is he part of a much bigger operation? key comeback signs, five true signs the economy is on the mend. a double sinkhole and a frightening family affair. that's a mess there. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt. we have all that to bring you this morning along with a surge for a woman who disappeared after being released by police. first president obama issuing another warning to iran in his address this morning. he says iran is speeding down the path to confrontation and needs to reveal a previously secret. they will face increased pressure and isolation and opportunity to their