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having spent some time in chicago, i think it is a -- it's a perfect place to hold the plimper olympics. it offers a great place for the world to see. it offers all the amenities one would want in the olympics, and i think far and away, it's the strongest bid of the four that are out there. >> welcome to "morning joe," 6:00 on the east coast. willie geist is scampering in from his show "way too early." mike barn icle and pat buick annan at the table with us. joe still recovering from surgery. >> it's remotely possible and it's possible that obama is going over there to make sure and push them over the top. i heard from joe warren, who said he didn't think -- thought chicago was in the number two position and obama would be

badly -- in bad position if he did not go. >> right. >> and make the case. >> me thinks it's time for some happy news. >> you better get it. he's going to be one angry guy. second place. >> man, i would not -- >> i've got to run. >> if he comes home without it. >> exactly. okay. >> i'll show those guys who's important. >> that's about what encapsulates -- >> his hometown. madeline albright will be joining us, to talk about iran, afghanistan and these issues. chuck todd will be here, david fromm, the man behind the axis of evil line, and aria in. in a huffington is going to join us. >> axis of evil today. >> i'm sorry. and straight ahead in the next half hour, michael savage, i think you dragged him out of

bed. >> he's not happy. >> you should see the slippers he wears. >> all right. let's get to a look at today's top stories. god morning, everyone. pressure is building for new sanctions against iran, it comes two days ahead of planned meetings in geneva between diplomats and six major powers, including the u.s. the meeting could be pivotal, the white house asked for new sanctions unless tehran comes clean about its nuclear ambitions. >> they have one of two paths that they can take. they can continue the path that they've been on, even while the world has shown conclusive intelligence about a facility in qom or it can make a decision to

step away from its nuclear weapons program. north korea, meanwhile, is also raising tension over its own nuclear work. speaking to the u.n. general assembly, a top official said pyongyang will strengthen its arsenal if any additional sanctions are imposed. the north says the weapons are meant to discourage war, the u.s. suspects the regime has looked to sell its intelligence overseas. with all those issues, the president's trip to coppenhagen on behalf of the olympic committee. >> i think he hopes that he can make a strong case for chicago and america's bid for the olympics in 2016. obviously the olympics showcases the country that those olympics are in.

and there's a tangible economic benefit to those games being here, and the president wants to help out america's bid. >> if he wanted to put chicago over the top, he should have brought blago with him. it's easy. >> doesn't he have an ankle bracelet on him, mike? >> no, no, he would have had to get permission from the federal judge to go out of the country. >> go to coppenhagen, blago sits down with the danes. done deal. >> is he not coming back? >> no, we invited him back. he has a standing invitation. >> what? >> standing in for joe? >> what's your name again, mika? >> you're an idiot. >> he said it. >> moving on with news now. a 20-year-old man with alleged ties to al qaeda is due in brooklyn federal court,

charged with plotting against targets in new york city. he is accused of buying products that could be used to make bombs. three possible accomplices have been identified but their names are not yet public. this is the kind of thing we don't want to get too complacent about, pat buchanan. >> no. it sounds like it was very, very close, everything you read about this fellow. oh, my gosh. the conversations i've been getting on twitter and elsewhere. >> this creep, will he go away? >> just go to jail. it's okay. we'll let it happen. a lawyer for roman polanski says the imprisoned film maker is planning to fight u.s. attempts to extra diet him on charges stemming from a 32-year-old rape case. he was arrested in zurich on saturday, set to headline a film festival while prosecutors want polanski jailed, some of his

colleagues are skeptical. >> the jury will be international, film festival has decided to proceed in honoring film and film making, despite the nature of the conclusion that has now occurred. we came to honor roman polanski as a great artist. under these sudden circumstances, we can only think of him as a human being, uncertain of the year ahead. >> okay. you know -- it's okay, because you made a good point yesterday, too. but everything we say on this gets completely distorted. and isolated. there are a lot of dynamics to this story. >> go ahead. >> two points. >> okay. >> first of all, what debra winger just said, philastine nature. forget that. what he did in the past, won the academy award, this has nothing to do with what he admitted guilt to doing. >> right. >> raping a 13-year-old in 1977,

whenever it was. the legitimate question to ask, though, is why, when he has a house in switzerland and has been there multiple times over these -- why did this arrest occur now? as far as i'm concerned, take this creep, put him -- have another trial, finish the sentence, whatever. why was he picked up now? >> they say it's the first time they could get it. >> who had it out from him? this came from the l.a. county -- district attorney's office in l.a., passed it through swiss authorities. >> did they just suddenly find out he has been going to switzerland, as mike says? he has a villa, chalet or something there? >> they know where he is. >> gene robinson dropped a hammer on him today. >> i picked that up. >> two things exploded on the internet. mine was that there is the dimension -- it's just the dimension of a story. i am reporting it, not giving an opinion, of the fact that the victim now today, as an adult,

doesn't want this to move forward. who knows what impact it has on her life, for this whole thing to be opened up again. that's one dimension. yours was that in the grand scheme of things there are so many -- >> every day. every day, child molesters, rapists get short shrift in the system of justice. >> what you're saying is this is not the first time we've seen someone get away with murder or, in this case, rape. >> but if somebody did get away with it in cities, they have, as mike says -- and some of them get ten years, that's still not justification. >> that's right. that's what mike is saying. >> as a fugitive from justice, fled and had this wonderful life over there in southern france and everything, and now he's being brought back to justice. why should we weep for him. >> we're not. are you? i'm not. >> no. one of the most annoying things about this is, you're right. no matter what you say, it's going to be -- >> distorted. >> distorted.

>> on the internet or whatever. the idea that one of the defenses is that, well, he won the academy award -- i mean, please. >> didn't he do something like that way back in the old days? >> yeah. >> ar bchbuckle, great actor involved with some gal, i think, who died or something like that. >> we can think of a lot of situations. >> back in my time, back in the '20s. >> had gotten away with, at times, a country has still embraced them, even though they've done very bad things. >> the secret service is now investigating who was behind a facebook poll, asking users -- this is an unbelievable story -- whether president obama should be assassinated. no, maybe, yes and yes, if he cuts my health care were the options. 700 users reportedly cast votes in the poll, quickly taken down by facebook.

i have trouble reporting on this, because there are so many people out there who tha would actually listen to this, try to make a new facebook page or whatever. >> you think? think of everything we have in this country, and the wonderful tool that is the internet for research, but then the horrible misuses of it. >> yeah, yeah. there needs to be, in facebook -- which has, what is it, 350 million users? some incredible number right now they've actually broken their own new record. and this is a quandary. they're going to have to figure out not only how to capitalize more on all this information, but also to make sure it's used in a morally correct way. i had a facebook page and i shut it down. i'm going to try again. it sort of got weird. >> somebody has created one in my name. >> that happened to me too. >> that's dangerous. >> you're telling me. >> there are issues there.

>> anyone for patti arbuckle? >> really it's something you can't control. they say if you shut down one and one of them drive the others out or whatever. coming up a little later, we'll talk about the swine flu situation, which is escalating. some parts of the country, they're really deal iing with a big problem pertaining to that and also whether or not swine flu shots will be available. straight to weather now, ginger zee joins us this week. bill karins, i guess, didn't make it through hr. sorry about that. ginger? >> nice to see everybody down there. >> nice to have you. >> >> i've been here four days. >> just say he's done. he is so done. >> so much trouble. >> okay, all right. i'll do it for you. he's done. >> done for now. we're done for now with summer. i am so sorry. yeah. i hope you liked it.

here it goes. it's going to be big changes here throughout the northeast and much of the country. looking at the satellite and radar put together. and northern parts of new york already starting to see the rain show showers, very blustery conditions. you know when you feel fall and you go, i've got to get that coat out. if you like it, it's coming. 58, buffalo, rain showers. 71, mix of sun and clouds in new york, down into the south in washington. not that bad. more sunshine down to the south and east. atlanta today, 74. quick look at the nation, in case you're travelingle. shouldn't be too, too, bad in the way of weather. >> ginger, thanks very much. another big show this morning. anniversary on wall street, biggest point drop was one year ago today. we'll be talking to arianna huffington, who has a book pointing to some of the problems. and also former secretary of state madeline albright.

stories driving washington including sarah palin, what top republicans are saying about the former governor this morning. interesting. pat, pat, simmer down. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. carol!

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conan continues. we'll show you the clip of what happened to conan when he flipped and hit his head. >> is he okay? >> he is, but wasn't right afterwards, he was kind of all over the place. now jim vanderhei from politic co- >> how are you doing? >> good. we received word that going rogue in political life, sarah palin's memoir is now complete. >> thank god. >> and will be available in stores next month, six months ahead of schedule. >> right. >> what's going on? >> she has the big book coming out, as you mentioned. we took our reporters and had them call 50 different officials throughout the country, party chairmen or leaders of the party in different states to see what they think about sarah palin. when you talk about sarah palin in washington, there's a lot of snickers. and they dismiss her. when you take to the leaders in

the states, they really love her. she generates a level of enthusiasm among republicans that you don't see with another republican in the country right now, not mitt romney, newt gingrich. what does that mean? she'll sell a lot of books "going rogue," available only in hard cover, not e-book, so they can maximize sales for her, so she can make money, and giving high-dollar speeches like the one she gave overseas recently and very viable for that next campaign if she decides to run. look at the polls. she's very, very popular. she can raise money and turn people out. >> so, they love her, republicans love her on an emotional level, they're excited by her. is she really a viable candidate for 2012? >> for the nomination? >> yeah. >> if she goes out to iowa, showed up at the iowa straw poll, she would lift the roof off the ceiling.

she has tremendous reach with libertarians, traditionalists and lifers. >> i don't understand. >> frankly because of her lifestyle. >> jim, let me ask you, given the short shelf life a lot of people potentially have in politics or anything else in this life, people politico reporters spoke to, is the biggest draw for sarah palin right now her ability to come into a state at a fund-raiser and raise an enormous amount of money because of her visibility? >> absolutely. she has the freedom now -- she's not governor -- to be able to speak her mind, do what she wants to do, raise tons and tons of cash. that's what republicans need right now, to have a good august. before that, they've had a tough time raising money. she will continue to leverage that. one of the big reasons she's popular is not just because she speaks her mind, but because she runs against washington, including republicans in washington. i think one thing people are missing right now is that there's a lot of energy in the

conservative movement. it's not harnessed around washington. they're still unhappy with the republican leadership in washington. they think of bush and big government spending. they want an outsider that libertarian streak that runs through a lot of republicans works for her. >> there's a charisma void in the republican party. >> i think they can find it elsewhere. i don't know why they keep putting their money on her. >> she's charismatic. >> great. >> same thing that will fill up an auditorium. >> same thing that caused us a national embarrassment. since they had a few of those with her, i'm not sure why they would rally behind her. >> she's not going on "meet the press," but going out there to rally the troops. >> isn't that where she ultimately ends up? >> mika is not going to endorse sarah palin. >> 14 months ago, you did not know her name. 1.5 million books being printed

today when a year ago you did not her name. >> who cares about that? i want the money now. >> let's go to the second topic, jim. it's an interesting one. liberal groups now going after opponents, barack obama pretty strongly. how are they doing it? >> you've had critics on both sides go after people in a pretty vicious way. one of the interesting things that liberals are doing now that conservatives have done in the past, going past people's livelihoods, the former majority leader, not just for his position on health care, but being attached to a big lobbying firm here in d.c., eventually forced to resign from. glenn beck, they're putting pressure on his advertisers to flock away from the show. right now, tom donahue runs the chamber of commerce, makes a ton of money and sits on the board of union pacific railroad. environmental groups are putting a lot of pressure on him now to

have to step down from that board because it's a conflict of interest. when you're on a board there's a financial incentive to be on that board. so, this is a new technique. it's not clear if it's coordinated, but we've found four or five cases. it makes us suspicious enough to write about it. it's a very interesting trend. >> effective in some cases. though, i don't think glenn beck is too worried about his livelihood. >> i don't think he's too worried about it, pulling out 3 mill at the chamber of commerce as tom donahue. >> not too bad. appreciate it. mika? e-mailing with nancy snyderman, getting the latest. she's already working her sources on the swine flu situation. texas school district is closed today because of it. we need to brace ourselves, potentially, for more. new swine flu pandemic spreading across the nation, officials are working overtime to get the vaccine in place. but as dr. nancy snyderman reports, getting enough vaccine is the first of many obstacles.

>> the vaccine meant to derail it, the second wave of the swine flu virus is upon us. >> we are clearly in the middle of a pandemic. it is in at least half the states or more in the country. >> reporter: according to the centers for disease control, at least 26 states are reporting widespread flu activity, up from 21 a week earlier, with 99% of the strains confirmed as swine flu. so, in what will be an unprecedented undertaking, health officials hope to vaccinate well over half the u.s. population in just a few months. and what may prove to be the biggest obstacle is reassuring the public that this vaccine is necessary and safe. >> i don't think i've had the flu since i was 15 years oel. i don't think it's really necessary. >> i'm definitely going to get the swine flu shot. i don't want the swine flu. >> i know that it's not supposed to cause any problems, but i'm just not comfortable with it. >> this isn't as new as people might think it is. it really is a very slight

difference from the seasonal flu vaccines that we give to people for decades with a very good safety record. that's the message we want to get to people. >> it's a vaccine that's also coming to market while testing is not yet complete. >> it's a little bit strange. i can understand why they might be concerned. i was a volunteer. i took that vaccine. my grandchildren are going to get that vaccine just as soon as it's available. >> reporter: it's expected to be available in the next two weeks. >> heads up for that. i've already made calls, trying to find them for my family. no, seriously. >> that's a question. we've heard about swine flu for months and months and months. why is it taking so long to get the vaccine? >> it's coming. this is actually the right time of year to get the flu shot. i would say if we were waiting a month from now, i would be upset. we'll talk to nancy about that next. plus, the man who coined the phrase "axis of evil" is now looking to rebrand

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for more severe weather. at least 240 people are dead. officials are calling for international help, warning the country may not be able to withstand the incoming storms. new census figures show the economic crisis is hitting middle-income families especially hard. the wealthiest 10% of americans, those making more than $138,000 a year, are now earning 11.4% more than those below the poverty line. poverty is at its highest level in 11 years. that makes a lot of sense, given the people i've met, who are unemployed for the first time ever in their lives. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the new york time, willie. >> abortion fight adds to the debate on health care. >> is iran designing a nuclear warhead? >> was times, porn searching

prolific at science foundation. number of cases overwhelms watchdog, costs taxpayers. >> san fran tilts toward wind power. task force recommends turbines throughout the city. >> interesting. we need that. why are you laughing? >> i don't know. >> moving into the future, pat. >> that's right. cutting-edge stuff. >> it's a good thing, pat. >> it is, wind power. >> you're mocking it. good lord. all right. >> they look good, too, those turbines. >> palm desert, can you see all those things? >> pat, you behave yourself. one innovation. >> power plants out there, just put them all in there and take care of the problem. >> anybody ever been to france and see all the nuclear facilities? they work. >> 70% nuclear power. we invented the stuff, get 103 plants. why don't we have 300 of these

things? >> i do actually agree with the nuclear options for energy. there's something -- i don't know. we've got -- at some point we ought to talk about that. coming you, nbc's chuck todd -- mocking wind power is not very nice. >> energy sources. >> turbine on top of his garage. >> i bet he does. chuck todd is coming up, live from -- id not. he is going to talk about the president backing chicago in coppenhagen. first, martin savidge helps us with today's must read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. [ominous music] [screeching] [dejectedly] oh. [screeching] [barks] (man) if you think about it, this is what makes the ladders different

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them get through. are you one of those people? >> no. i think this is the sort of questioning that is all too often entering british politics. although i have problems with my eyes and it has been very difficult over the years, i think people understand that you can do a job and you can work hard, and i think it would be a terrible, terrible indictment of our political system if you thought because someone had this medical issue they couldn't do the job. >> oh, wow! >> it is a fair question. >> judge and jury. >> he can get away with it, because he has that english accent. >> judge and jury. >> bbc. it's not like some tabloid show, asking the prime minister if he pops pills, essentially. >> let's debunk the hype that pharmaceuticals are -- no, i'm

kidding. that was kind of a cheap shot, was it not? what's going on over there? does he have some -- martin savidge, by the way, joining us, special correspondent for world focus. what a classy way to begin the conversation. have you heard about the -- >> no, i haven't heard this. in fact -- though i'm not surprised. the opinion of the bbc in this country is very high. and they're a fine, fine news organization. many times in the field, i have many friends who work for the bbc. >> but, but -- >> but like any news organization, every now and then, they get a question they want to ask that may not be the most appropriate. when you have the prime minister of great britain on and there are so many pressing issues, hey, are you popping pills? >> was he lethargic or somehow his performance has been impacted, maybe you ask. but that seemed to come out of nowhere unless i'm missing something. >> no, that came out of nowhere. you can tell even the journalist felt uncomfortable when he had

to back up and say it's a legitimate question. >> oh, yeah, me thinks you protest too much about your own question. actually thought of the three leaders, he was strongest pertaining to iran and really put his message out there. let's get to iran in a moment. because speaking of coming out of nowhere, the arrest of roman polanski has cause aid lot of conversation on this set and online. everything we said yesterday sparked off a lot of e-mails and i was twittered a lot of hatred for things i said yesterday, which were distorted. what polanski deserves, even in france, this should be a big deal. it isn't about a genius who is being hounded for floo uting society's hidebound conventions. it's about a man who used fame and position to assault, in every sense, to violate, an innocent child.

and it's about a man who ran away rather than face the consequences of his actions. before any sentence could be imposed, he absconded like a weasel to live a princely life in france. that's the point you were trying to make, mike, yesterday. >> yes. some people get off, some people get ten years ago. he got this little girl drunk, on drugs, 13 years old, abused her and raped her and apparently he cut some kind of deal. when it looked like the judge might slam him a little bit, he fled and spent 35 years abroad, leading this good life. now he has been nailed in switzerland. i don't have any great sympathy for the guy. he got caught. others get caught. others get away. i don't know why we should bleed and cry for roman polanski if he's brought back here to face the music. >> absolutely, i agree with pat. the distance of time does nothing to -- >> change the crime. >> negate what he did. if you do the crime, you've got to do the time. and this was a horrendoo us crime. it doesn't matter that he has

gone on to great notoreity or managed to elude justice for this long. >> but how, why? i don't understand. in terms of where he has been living -- >> mike's question, the guy has been living in -- >> he has been out there in the public. why hasn't this happened? that's the real question. >> there you go. >> why now? why is it happening right now? i can't answer that. i don't know why exactly right now. but what i can say is, it's about time. >> yeah, yeah. i know. and i know you -- >> but he won an academy award. that's the defense. >> he's going to get a lifetime achievement award. >> academy award. >> the french and polish governments have stepped in and asked hillary clinton, the secretary of state. >> they're really upset. >> to step in and get this guy out of jail. >> what? i'm sure hillary clinton will be right on that. >> i'm sorry. >> madame secretary, we know that you're probably relatively concerned about the taliban, but on the matter of roman polanski.

>> help us out here. >> are you kidding? >> especially after hillary went through africa to look at the most serious situations pertaining to women, i'm sure she'll be right on that for roman. >> she can help herself by coming down and saying, look, the law has taken its course, period. >> yeah. i still don't understand what happened over the past 30 years that he wasn't taken away. i will say once again -- >> there's no extradition treaty, apparently, for this crime in france. but, again, he hasn't been confined to france all time, i don't think. countries where we have extradition, like switzerland. >> the added dimension -- this does not take away the fact, maybe this is what i should have said yesterday, but it does not take away the fact that he should be punished for this and go to jail, but the added dimension of the victim who settled in a civil suit with him, i guess received a lot of money and does not want this case to go forward, which, you

know, those things are always complicated. >> we can come back to a court of law and see what justice -- >> he already is convicted. he's a fugitive. he's convicted. he has to come back and serve time. he doesn't get another trial, does he? >> my understanding is, no, he comes back and receives sentencing on being a fugitive. >> okay. let's talk about iran, afghanistan, and how obama is playing these on the world stage. from "the washington post," the trouble with obama is that he gets into the moment, and means what he says for that moment only. he meant what he said when he called afghanistan a war of necessity and now is not necessarily so sure. he meant what he said about the public option in his health care plan and then again, maybe not. he would not prosecute cia agents for getting rough with detainees, and then again, maybe he would. so, my worry is, on afghan -- especially iran, martin savidge,

i don't think he can afford to equivocate. >> this is a very difficult position the president finds himself in for a number of very serious reasons. when you look at what is going on in afghanistan, he has said that this is the war. this is obama's war. and then at the same time, though, there have been many equivalences made to vietnam about american intervention zpls what do you make of those? >> if there is any war where there could be a direct cause and effect made to vietnam, it is afghanistan. the british tried that four times in afghanistan and failed every time, historically. it is a very difficult war to pursue. the united states has told its nato allies it wants more troops, more troops, more troops. now you have general mccrystal asking the commander in chief of the united states, i need more troops and suddenly the president is saying i'm not shumplt how do we expect our nato allies to step forward and

commit their young men and women to this fight if now the president of the united states is beginning to wonder if we should commit our troops to that fight or more of our troops. then i worry -- if i was the parent of a child serving over there now, and i know that that child needs more support, that there are more boots on the ground that are needed and they're not coming, i would be very worried. >> a letter in "the new york times" today from a mother of a marine serving in afghanistan making that exact point. >> how do you ask a young man to die for a mistake if you're going to turn around and come out? >> these are the questions that i think haunt the obama administration. they're legitimate points to be asked, though. i mean, it's either you go big or you go home on this particular fight. >> right, right. >> and does the united states just want to go big because we know that this would be a long, protracted, bloody fight? so, we should pause and consider the seriousness of this. but you can't put it off

forever. you have to eventually make a decision. >> and not with iran percolating. >> no. >> we'll have to allocate resources potentially. this is a huge decision. thank you for, i think, really honing it down for people to get a sense of what the choices are. martin savidge, thanks very much. come back soon. coming up, did the red sox clirchl the wild card? >> no. >> i still love them. >> not a question for me. >> i still love them so much. fred roggin is next in sports. such a man. his pain, not ours. i was in pain. i'm in pain right now looking at this video. willie has the news you can't use. we know why we're here. to redefine air travel for a new generation.

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time for sports now with fred roggin. the cowboys needed a win. after all, their stadium cost $1 billion. jerry jones looking for one. >> thank you, and good morning. in the cowboys owner of jerry jones, the new stadium is now complete as the cowboys picked up their first victory in the state-of-the-art stadium. cowboys took the lead in the third quarter. up the middle for six and dallas jumped on top, 10-7, cowboys ice it late in the fourth, picked off jake delhomme and took it 27 yards for the score. cowboys are 21 in the second half to meet the panthers 21-7. pennington expected to miss the rest of the season. chad henne will make his first nfl start this sunday for the winless dolphins. baseball, the angels wrapped up their fifth division title for the win against the rangers.

ken debris more started in the first with a two-run homer and never looked back. won 11-0 and let that celebration begin. they are the a.l. champs. if you remember, aidenhart was tragically killed by a drunk driver this past april. texas lost, the red sox could've clinched with a win against the blue jays but it wasn't meant to be. gave the jays a 7-3 lead with a three-shot over. braves are still on the hunt for the nl wild card after the win against the marlins. his 18th homer of the year gave atlanta a 3-0 lead, braves picked up their 15 win in their last 17 games, now just two behind the idol rockies. after the champs got more than they could handle from the astros. shot off the wall that drove in tejada. astros up 2-1. tejada with his bat, 3 for 4 with an rbi. astros won it 8-2. the phillies' magic number remains at 3. chance to clinch the a.l.

west, but blown out by the pirates. manager john russell decided to take him out with a ten-run lead and pittsburgh fans let him have it. i don't think i've ever seen a manager get booed when his team is up 11-16789. soccer is a long game. one guy that can't take the break is the referee. what happens when he has to use the bathroom? you wait for a corner kick and then relieve yourself on the field. there he is, in the top right corner. now, nature called during the game in the middle east and caused quite a stir among the arab community. give the referee a card for his yellow act. when you've got to go, you've got to go. that's it for me. >> you're the ref. stop the game, run to the bathroom. i understand we have an e-mail, chris. >> michael in new jersey speaks for all of us when he says i thought mika was a much more attractive host before i learned how much she loves the red sox.

i thought she was smarter than that. >> well, she's smart, but she's also a turncoat. she used to be a yankee fan. >> hang in there with your team. >> more back to you in november. >> i can't help myself. coming up on "morning joe," arianna huffington joins us live in the studio. plus, news you can't use. the incident that knocked conan o'brien out cold for a couple of seconds. we'll show you when we come back.

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arianna huffington joins us at the table for this very high brow discussion. tom delay with "dancing with the stars." he made it through the first week. >> that was enough for me. >> but he was playing hurt. >> after weeks of pounding my feet on hardwood floors, i had trouble with my toes. >> prestress fracture. you'll probably get through. >> i've worked too hard. even though my foot hurts, nothing is going to stop me from doing this dance tonight. >> nothing will stop him. this is like a willis reed moment. >> do you think he's lost his mind? >> no, no, intense dancer, competitor. doing the ta inform go with his partner. here is where things went south. he almost dropped his partner. watch this. >> okay. ♪

>> all right. i'm sorry. i'm going to tell you what's wrong with this situation. >> that's a small deduction. >> here's what's wrong with it. he's too into it. it's not attractive. >> what are you suggesting? >> way too into it. >> where were his family? where was his wife and the children? where is the intervention? i remember when i was asked to be on "dancing with the stars," my daughter said to me, we would never speak to you again. >> that's what mine would say. >> 50 years ago. i don't think so. >> his expression, but he is unattractively into it. >> there are enablers in his life, you're right, arianna. let's show this clip of

conan o'brien. he missed his show friday. on his show last night, he showed exactly what happened. >> why don't we show people what happened. >> right. >> set your vcr to record. your friends are kul laugh, watching this later. ♪ >> are you okay? >> oh, yeah. >> slow motion replay of what happened right there. >> little bit of slurring in the words. he said that was not an act, he was kind of knocked out. when he looked down at his cue cards, he felt like he was reading a menu for an egyptian restaurant. >> they were wet and running on a slippery floor? >> yeah.

>> on with martha stewart the other day did -- >> he went on martha? >> doing arts and crafts, paper mache and dylan being dylan, pressed her on her time in prison. >> no, he did not. >> can we talk about your time in jail for a second? >> no. >> can we do that? >> no. >> people that have been accused of what you did had received very minor penalties and meanwhile bernie madoff. >> it was the wrong focus. you know what? that's the past. >> i understand. >> i am beyond that. >> i know. >> i'm here with -- >> we're making pig. >> with mr. rhatigan making a pig. >> they stole all our money. >> that was the question that i've been wanting to ask her, given what she had to do time for and the criminal still -- perfect to have arianna here. i'm glad he did it. i want to hear more from her. i wish she could talk more about it. my gosh, it's an abomination

what she was punished for, compared to some of the criminals out there today. >> and it still goes on, still pursuing minor infringements when the big acts of greed and corruption are going on, unpunished. one thing that really -- >> sure. >> like when bank of america was caught defrauding their sharehold shareholders and not telling them about the merrill lynch, and fines imposed on them of $33 million, why don't they have to admit wrong doing? clearly they're complicitly admitting wrong doing, agreeing to pay a $33 million fine. what's this in our legal system that if you're big enough, you pay a fine that's really minor for you, but you don't have to admit wrong doing? >> it has nothing to do with size but the legal system itself. you just go in both sides, whether it's a dispute about the fence you have on your property, whether it's an assault and

battery, i say -- i go in. i plead nolo. you don't admit anything, i don't admit anything and they move on. it's the judicial system. >> but in this case, they're admitting something implicitly. why else would people pay billions of dollars, not just millions? >> as did the s.e.c. >> who did they fine, the bank of america? >> they did. >> excuse me, but a company doesn't admit thcommit that. an individual did this. why isn't he the guy that take it is rather than out of the corporate treasury? >> the judge refused to write a five-year agreement, and is asking the same exact question, who were the people that made the decision finally, but why aren't there more heroic judges like that? we should turn him into an american hero for not letting him get away with basically a slap on the wrist. >> i love the question. let's continue the conversation after news. interestingly -- that was useful

news you can't use. dylan did good. >> paper mache and the whole thing. >> serious inequality in the way people are treated for what they do in the financial world. any how -- welcome back, everyone. pat buchanan, mike barnicle, willie geist, arianna huffington and joe will be back from surgery next week. pressure is building this morning from international sanctions against iran over the country's highly contentious nuclear program. it comes two days ahead of planned meetings in geneva between iranian diplomats and six major powers, including the u.s. the white house is eyeing new sanctions on iran's energy unless they come clean. >> they have one of two paths they can take. they can continue the path they've been on, even while the

world is shown conclusive intelligence about a facility in qom, or it can make a decision to step away from its nuclear weapons program. >> pat buchanan, how do we know that they're honest at this point? i'm just saying. >> who is honest? >> iran. >> iran? they've admitted they're building this site and they're saying they're only going to enrich to 5% and not to nuclear levels. >> but admissions have only come after lies. >> we're going to demand that the iaea go in there, in the next couple of weeks and we're going to demand they talk to the scientists that put this together and they look to the design to see if this is, as obama says, it is consistent with a nuclear weapons program and inconsistent with enriching fuel for nuclear plants. >> how many other facilities do you figure they have like this? this is not the only one. >> this is also -- they put it

on the face of a revolutionary guards, who i don't think are into science. >> there's potential there are others? >> yeah. they've got others. you get the iaea in there, people talk about bombing them. why would you when u.n. guys are in there, and we have cameras on that little pile of enriched uranium they've got, 5%? what's the purpose? obama has a lot of problems ahead of him in dealing with this. north korea is raising tension over its own nuclear work. speaking to the u.n. general assembly, a top official said pyongyang will strengthen its arsenal if any sanctions are imposed. even though it says it's to discourage war, the u.s. suspects that the regime plans to sell intelligence overseas. trip to copenhagen on behalf of the u.s. olympic committee. robert gibbs is pointing to an economic incentive.

>> i think he hopes that he can make a strong case for chicago and america's bid for the olympics in 2016. obviously, the olympics showcases the country that those olympics are in, and there's a tangible economic benefit to those games being here. and the president wants to help out america's bid. >> so, pat, you mentioned something in the break. >> union guys are really behind this. it's an enormous economic bonus. you were saying something about 2 million jobs over eight years and chicago is number two. jim warren said that. >> right. >> said it's number two, but it's close. and obama might be going simply to push them over the top and not, as i suggested yesterday, because he knew it was a winner and goes in to claim the prize. >> interesting timing, arianna. >> yes, but quite the big deal. he's going to go there on air force one. it's not like he has to go

through airport security, waste a lot of time. he can work on the plane, arrives there, a few hours, gets back on the plane and comes back. traveling when you're the president of the united states is not the same as when we travel to copenhagen. >> i don't question whether or not he can, you know, juggle everything. i do question the decision to change plans and go there. again, as i said, me thinks it's time for some good news. >> he better come back a winner. >> or keep on flying over chicago. >> i went, what, to finish second? >> willie's advice, bring along -- >> blago. bring blago. >> there we go. >> we'll give it to you if you get him out of here. >> uncle. >> all right, it's yours. take him home. moving on with news. today a 24-year-old man with alleged ties to al qaeda is due in brooklyn federal court, charged with plotting to attack

targets in new york city. zazi, accused of buying up beauty products that could be used to make bombs. three possible accomplices have been identified. according to the swiss federal court, roman polanski has filed a motion requesting to be released. a decision is expected in the coming weeks, oscar winner is expecting u.s. attempts to extra diet him from switzerland on charges stemming from a 32-year-old rape case. he was arrested in zurich sat where he was set to headline a film festival. prosecutors want polanski jailed, some of his colleagues are skeptical. >> the jury of the international film festival has decided to proceed in honoring film and filmmaking, despite the fillastine nature that has now occurred. we came to honor roman polanski

as a great artist but under these sudden circumstances, we can only think of him today as a human being, uncertain of the year ahead. >> all right. arianna, chime in. >> i'm actually really torn about this. >> really? >> on one hand, a biography of picasso where i called him creator and destroyer. incredible destruction of he was and the people around him, he was such a great artist. what did it matter that two of his wives committed suicide, another one became insane? he was a great artist and everything is forgiven. i really object that debra winger and the description of this as a philastine act. he rape aid 13-year-old. on the other hand, that's why i'm turned, it was 32 years ago and -- >> the victim has said -- >> the victim has forgiven him, the victim said don't persecute

him. i don't know if this is the best use of everybody's time and energy. >> wow! >> we've been talking about it for two day zpls get your twitter page ready. >> no matter what you say or we say, it's going to be misinterpreted. >> absolutely. >> your first point is absolutely spot on. the idea that roman polanski shouldn't have been detained, arrested at the airport because he won an academy award, he's a great artist -- please, stop it. picasso killed three people, he's a great artist. i'm sorry, you're still going to jail. your second point, why knot now aspect? that's the lingering question bounced around here for two days. he has a home in switzerland. he has been there multiple times over the past three decades. why now? >> and i'll add another dimension to this, which is he has been hanging around in the public view. he could have been caught. quite frankly, if you read the

account of what he did, sounds like there's a chance he could have done it again. i'm just saying. >> but he didn't. >> we don't know. all i'm saying is attacking young children in that way is not something that's just a random act in your life. >> what does the law say? you committed a felony for which he could have been sent to prison for a long time and then fled justice, he's a fugitive from justice. you apprehend him, send him back and he faces the music. why should there be any suspension whatsoever of the law? is there any reason for that? >> i guess that's what i'm asking. >> he was not detained, pick up in switzerland on the rape. he was picked up because he's a fugitive. >> yes. >> sure. >> but the question is why it took so long. seriously, why it took so long. >> you look in the south of france, there is no extradition treaty for the crime he committed. however, there's an extradition treaty for the crime he committed in switzerland, which goes back to mike's point.

what's he doing up at the chalet and why didn't the swiss pick him up or why didn't the americans say when that guy shows up, pick him up and ship him back to us. >> over the past 31 years, he has been in a number of countries of extradition. why did they grab him now? >> it is a question of why now. i think we should all try to avoid the double standard, that somehow he should be judged by a different set of laws because of his great genius. >> right. >> you're right. >> exactly. >> absolutely right. he should be arrested on general principles of a creep. >> barnicle, we don't want that, general principles of being creepy. >> mika, your point is well taken. somebody engages in this stuff with a 13-year-old girl, he has a serious problem that may be recurring. we don't know it, but -- >> seriously, when someone commits a crime like this -- >> sure. >> and it is proven he committed a crime like this, there is a

chance he is a threat to society. >> sexual offender, different kinds of rules and regs when these guys are let out of jail. >> may i use the word pedophile? >> yes. >> we're done here. us airways pilot who landed his plane on the hudson river, to lighten things up, last winter is getting back in the cockpit. captain chesley "sully "sullenberger is getting back to work. we talked too much during news. we need you to stay so we can continue our conversation here on "morning joe." >> would you pay for your bags too? >> if they told me sully was behind the wheel, i'll pay double. >> he's a nice man. i met him, and his wife. they're lovely. >> yeah. coming up, the man who coined the phrase "axis of evil." remember that. he's now looking to rebrand

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north korea, a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction while starving its citizens. iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror while an unelected few oppress the iranian people's hope for freedom. iraq continues to flaunt its

hostility toward america and support terror. states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. by seeking weapons of mass destruction. >> certainly were debates and revertebrae rations in the brzezinski family about that fray. the man who coined the term "axis of evil," speech writer to president bush and founder of newmajority.com, david frum. thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> what's your current take on iran specifically, given the phrase that you coined and the situation as it stand now? >> well, it's disheartening to see how little has changed since 2002 and 2003. the president warned then of dangers from north korea, iraq and iran.

iraq, at least we no longer have to worry about a terrorist threat from there. but iran, as president bush said so many years ago, continues to proceed alongity way and north korea is part of a global nexus swapping missiles technology and weapons technology that threatens the security of us all. it's disturbing. >> rebranding conservatism in just a minute. first, arianna, a little more on iran? >> to say that it's disheartening how little has changed, after all, george bush has a lot of responsibility for the fact that so little has changed, since he pursued the wrong enemy, going after iraq, simply empowered iran, has made it a much more significant player in the middle east and has made us take our eye off afghanistan, off north korea. it isn't just by accident that nothing has changed, but a lot of things have gotten worse. don't you agree that even iraq is hardly the kind of

jeffersonian democracy that the bush administration helped to create? >> overo the past few months, i think that going after the wrong actor, argument has to be dropped. one of the things we've been learning from watching democrats in congress have been responding to president obama is that all the actors are the wrong actors. as the focus is shifted from iraq to afghanistan, turns out democrats in congress don't like that either. and president obama, of course, is somebody who is very reluctant to use a muscular approach to iran, has tried to recognize silliate them, even to the point of turning his gaze way for people who were struggling for the restoration of democracy this summer. >> pat buchanan is here and will jump in on this after. newmajority.com, it's your thesis, your hope, i would guess, that you can move the conservative wing of the republican party or

conservatism, in general, more toward the middle of a conservative road. so, my question to you is, among the constituents you're looking to attract, i know several young people that belong to me -- they're my children -- and they are much more conservative than i am when it comes to money. they resent the amount of taxes that are taken out of their meager paychecks. they are fearful for their economic future. and yet they think what they perceive to be spokespeople for the republican party are, to use a phrase, mental patients. what do you do about that? >> i think republicans and conservatives have to make up their minds. do you want to be a political movement or a movement of cultural opposition? i think that a lot of what you hear on radio and tv, people are descenting from the modern world. it's a fact. you have to accept it. and views on issues, especially of family and sexuality of change, views on race have changed and conservatives need to work with that, as conservatives have so

successfully done in other countries like britain and canada. government substantially re-elected in germany this past weekend, because it has been able to make those kinds of adjustments. i think we often -- our economic questions, your children speak of something real. the great issue of the next decade is going to be debt, massive amount of debt being bequeethed to younger people. conservatives need an economic policy that recognizes that debt issue. >> but the social issues and cultural issues, when nixon created his new majority, there was law and order. when reagan did, you had -- it was the issues of affirmative action, right to life and other things. if you saw off that traditional values wing of the republican party and say we're not going to advance your issues anymore, at the same time, demographically, the republican party is shrinking, what do you have left to build a majority on?

>> the united states demographically is not the same country as it was even in 1990. let me point to one statistic that exemplifies this. only one-fifth of white americans have a college degree, today almost one-third of white americans have a college degree, college education is increasing among all the other groups as well. people become less republican as they get better educated. it used to be that the four-year people were republican. that's no longer true either. if you are losing -- if experience of gaining education, which, of course, is a good thing, causes people to shift away from the republican party, you have to adapt to that. on the issues of crime, you have to address the issues of success, crime was not the issue that it was in 1990. >> issues you're talking about in terms of spending, crime and how the new conservative brand or how conservatives should rebrand themselves, it's important to -- >> four points. >> hold on a second. i've got a question for you

about some of the voices out there. and how do you break through some of the shrill, very damaging, very threatening to society voices out there? i'm not going to name them. we know who they are. they make conservatism look bad. >> i have teenage children. i find myself often preaching that line of gandhi. you have to be the change you want to see. >> okay. >> we just do it different. if more candidates were out there, being unafraid, unintimidated by the louder talkers, daring to break with them when they say crazy things, be constructive, supporting the president on afghanistan, for example, looking for ways to move the health care debate, not use it as an opportunity to inflict political defeat, but get things that conservatives should want in health care reform. conservatives should be as unhappy as anybody to see this share go up and up, as it has

been. then i think you can agree conservatism can be done, because you're doing it. >> david, i really appreciate what you're doing. i identify with you. i did it in the '90s. at some point, i raelz i could not help reform the republican party. i had to leave it. be prepare d. are you open to the idea that some point you may have to leave the party you cannot reform? >> no. >> never? no matter what they do? no matter how many bad ideas they believe in? >> no. this is my place. i want to make it better. i want to make it work. >> good luck. >> i think it's all very possible. i think there are such extremes that, at some point, it's actually going to make the party stronger. it will. because they're going to be rejected. >> what joe talks about. >> exactly what he's talking about. >> what pat has talked about.

there's an element of the republican party that's so crazy, so out there you've got to figure -- >> they don't represent -- and i think people are getting smart to this. with all the different media outlets out there. >> conservatives. >> david frum, thank you so much. come back, if you can. it would be great to have you. >> just down the block. always happy to. >> good. chuck todd from the white house, as the white house answers the question, does the president have more important things to do besides pushing chicago for 2016? plus former secretary of state madeleine albright live in the studio when "morning joe" continues. we'll be right back. ñ

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chicago. he had been getting beaten up. he had been -- mayor daley boxed him in on this one to the point where it was as if chicago didn't get the olympics, it was going to be president obama's fault, pure and simple. that's how this thing -- that's how many of the chicago ofgss who have been into these things for years, it takes years to put these things together. it frustrated folks at white house to no end. you look at all the chicago veterans who are here, obviously the folks on the chicago bid committee had easy access and they -- you know, they played hard ball on this, and the president didn't want to take the hit that if chicago didn't take the bid, to not go and

lose, that that would have been worse. >> chuck, jim warren on this network yesterday was saying -- east chicago tribune guy. >> yep. >> he said that chicago was in second place right now, but this is not wired, that the president is going over there to try to put him over the top, but there's no guarantee he's going to win this thing. and you would have to say since south america has never had an olympics, that rio remains the favorite. is that the feeling inside the white house, that they could go over there and they could come home a loser? >> yes, they do worry about that. at the same time, like i said, they made that calculation. you talk to some of our folks on the sports side of nbc, who know a lot about the olympic process, and there are few things they point out that they think at the end of the day are in chicago's favor. one, the economy. the world economy being in this ten use nature. do you try to prop up a place

like brazil and rio and south america and hope you can raise all of the international money you need, all the international sponsors or do you go to a tried and true place where you know sponsors like mcdonald's and coca cola are headquartered and that they pony up? that is why this -- why you talk to some and they think, you know, chicago is going to get this bid because american-based korpgs, international olympic committee desperately need international korpgs to get fired up about the olympics. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. good to see you. coming up next, former secretary of state madeleine albright on her new book. >> and what the u.s. should be saying to iran at this point. "morning joe" will be right back.

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iranians keep insisting, no, no, this is just for peaceful

purposes. well, i think the russians said in their statement, and as we believe, and this meeting on october 1st is to test is fine, prove it. >> all right. well, we'll find out more about that maybe on thursday. and here with us now to talk about iran, afghanistan and her new book, former secretary of state madeleine albright, the author of "read my pins," stories from a diplomat's jewel box. i love this. we'll get to the best one by katie albright. representatives from iran and six other nations, including the u.s. what do we need from them to not move forward in a very strong way? >> this is a very serious meeting, because i think that what it shows is international agreement that this is a very bad step by iran. i think what president obama was able to do during the security council meeting and generally mobilizing international opinion. the question is, how far these set of talks will get.

i think that the iranians are probably going to try to go slow and have a meeting about having meet i meetings. but i do think that it has to begin to set the terms for what the discussion is going to be. >> how important is it for -- we want the panel to ask you questions as well. how important is it, though, for the president to be very clear about what he wants in return here and not to equivocate and buy time? >> i don't think the president has equivocated. he has made very clear there is a time limit on this, that we will not put up with iran having nuclear weapons, that they need to abide by the nonproliferat oichlt n treaty, that they have to allow inspectors to go in and he has been pretty clear about that. what i think has been good, he has also made clear we have to talk to them. what has been missing in the past is that we were not talking to iran. and i can assure you that talking is not necessarily nice. i had a few conversations that were pretty tough. so, you have to talk in order to

deliver a message. >> barnicle? >> one of the things that strikes me, madame secretary, is that in this continuing dialogue, we're going to talk to them and if the talks aren't fruitful, we're going to try to engage russia, china, to engage in tougher sanctions against the iranians. and wryet when you look at it, strikes me as odd that we have tougher sanctions right now against cuba than we do against iran. does that make any sense? >> sanctions are a very interesting tool. i actually teach a course about what we have in the tool box. and people pick sanctions somewhere between diplomacy and using force. and the sanctions against cuba have a long history. and the problem, however, in both those is that they are unilateral sanctions, sanctions that the u.s. has that the international community is not part of. so there's a lot of leakage. while the u.s. has pretty tough sanctions on iran, the other countries don't.

that's what president obama is trying to do, to get those multilateral sanctions so other countries are not providing what we're not. >> in terms of what you do, and what the president should do, what is different now in terms of the strategy and the approach to iran and the conversations, given the fact that the second facility was discovered, secret facility and the test fire of missiles over the weekend? i mean, come on. things are at a different stage now. what needs to be done to make it clear that this is unacceptable? >> i think it's very -- i think a lot of what's happened over the last few days is very, very serious. it's interesting to kind of look at the timing of when we declared that we knew that they had the secret facility and then the iranians going to the iaea and admitting that they had it, and saying that they now wanted to have inspectors. i think what is different is that president obama and secretary clinton have managed to get international support for this. i thought the statement

secretary clinton made about saying they can't assert it, they have to prove that they are going to be helpful, and that's what the next steps are about. >> pat? >> let me make the case from the iranian standpoint. they say, look, we signed the npt, we agreed to safeguard agreements. you have inspectors in iraq, all consistent with the nonproliferation treati and safeguard agreements. we're going to let you into this new facility. nothing to them. dropping the ham mer. >> they actually are in violation. the issue here is -- you make a very good point. they are signatories. and npt does allow for countries to have nuclear programs. they really do have to allow for full inspection. and iranians have not.

>> we are not inspecting. >> i've read a lot about the npt and wondered at the time that president eisenhower did his peace speech and talked about peaceful uses of nuclear energy, whether they understood how easy it was to get from peaceful to weapons and that's the loophole. >> short follow-up. under the npt, they have to give us notice six months under the safeguard agreement before the facility comes online they said this facility that we blew the whistle on is 18 months from completion and when they notified the iaea, they were applying with the safeguard agreement. >> i've heard them say that. the bottom line is, technically, i guess they have. the bottom line is that they have not been coming clean. and they have been threatening.

they make terrible -- ahmadinejad says the most ridiculous things about israel and they are threatening and they are outside the system. >> now, you said that the administration has been very successful of rallying international support. how significant was the president's decision in terms of the defense missile shield, in terms especially of getting rations? >> i don't think there's a quid pro quo. i do think there has to be some kind of different relationship with the russians, that it doesn't prove anything to make them or remake them an adversary, that there are certain issues on which to cooperate. the russians have a big stake, i think, in what's happening in iran. they're clearly closer to it, physically, than we are. it is important to get their help. i don't think it's going to be just smooth, smooth, having dealt with the russians. i think there is a big step forward in terms of there's a negotiation on the -- strategic

talks and they really are trying to have a different relationship with them. >> all right. we want to get to afghanistan and your book. one more question, though. i have been listening to the word that is you put forward. you said they have been lying. they have not been coming clean. how do you talk to a country that has been lying and not coming clean over a long period of time, over probably a pivotal issue in terms of the entire world? and how do you get international consensus when it comes to china, for example? >> well, i think that these talks are not going to be just about the nuclear issues. you talk about all the issues that iran has within its region and with us. we have not had relations with iran since 1979. so, the idea is to look at the whole gamut of issues, but also tell it like it is. i think it is impossible to have diplomacy where you don't -- i used to say i have come a long way, so i must be frank. and i think that you really do have to make clear what you mean. the chinese part is also very

important. they have a variety of relations with iran. they have issues in terms of getting energy supplies and i think the chinese and russians are looking at this issue together, and so as not to be isolated. >> you know, there is a school of thought, pat and i were talking about it earlier, held by many that iran, the iranian people are the strongest potential allies in the middle east, the people of iran. we saw earlier this summer a clear schism between the people in tehran, iran and the government, who runs the government. what danger do we run by dealing with the iranian government, and cracking down on them? do we run a danger of getting people who would be naturally inclined toward us by saying, hey, they're picking on our guy? >> no. what is interesting is iranians really are -- many of them -- very proud of the nuclear program. they aren't all opposed to it. i think, however, we need to make clear what we feel about

the elections in iran and trying to explain that we are not trying to make iran not be a powerful country. it just cannot be one that threatens others. so, i think it is important to realize what's going on in iran, inside. but there is a story today that i thought kind of shows that iran is becoming more and more of a military state. the revolutionary guard is taking over the telecommunications system. so, it's dangerous. we do need to talk to them. >> madame secretary, you mentioned threatening. look, let's take the united states. all the leaders say the military option is on the table. israel tests flights to greece, move submarines through the canal, talk about all the weapons they've got. aren't there threats on both sides here? have we not threatened them if, you don't do this, you're going to be bombed? at the same time they say if you do that, we'll fight back. >> i think we need to use every tool we have. and we are not going to take certain options off the table.

i personally don't see the military option as working. but you're not going to take it off the table. >> okay. since we have you through the next half hour, we're going to get to afghanistan, especially when we do our newscast at the top of the hour. but let's just lighten the load here a little bit and talk about your book, because -- we'll get back to iran again as well. that was fascinating. "read my pins." tell us about it. the best pin in here. these are all your broaches, made by my playmate, your daughter, katie. >> right. >> tell us about this book. it's fun. >> the book is fun. it tries to show a little bit of lighter side of foreign policy. it all began, actually, with saddam hussein, because there was -- when i was ambassador at the united nations, there was a poem that he compared me to a terrible serpent. i happened to have a snake pin. so, when we were dealing with iraq at the security council, i wore my snake pin. and people said why are you doing that?

i said because he called me a serpent and i thought this was fun. i was the only woman on the security council. i went out and bought a bunch of costume jewelry to describe what we were going to do. and you guys remember that president bush said read my lips. when people said what are we doing today? i would say read my pin. when i was in a good mood, i wore flowers, balloons and butterflies and when i was in a bad moo i wore bees and wasps. i developed more weapons of mass destruction. i wore missiles and -- >> this pin is actually a map of sudan. with an airplane. and i think we ought to do more in sudan. >> how many do you have? >> well, there are about 200 in the show at the museum of arts and design. i have a few more at home. people have been giving me pity

pins because they've taken my pins away and they think i've got to have a pin to wear. >> very nice. there are some really neat stories in here. thank you for bringing that in. stay with us. a lot more to talk about, pertaining to afghanistan and more iran. up next, minnesota senator on the fight against childhood obesity. th that, we need to talk about as well. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. really bad. then we learned that a flu shot can reduce the risk of getting the flu by up to 70%.

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this is a cookbook for kids. obesity is the number one problems for kids today. you tell kids to have cheesecake for breakfast, and -- there is no chocolate cake or french fries. >> we don't care. >> you know, i think what we have to teach our children, first off, barbara, is moderation. >> not when you are giving them this. >> barbara had a good point. there is no moderation when it comes to how we eat, there isn't. and the portions in restaurants are humongous. and the democrat from minnesota and thank you for being with us. i couldn't agree with you more we need to deal with this.

i know that in my daughter's class, more obese children than there are regular-sized children. that's just wrong. >> mika, i want to thank you for taking this on. a lot of people are putting their heads in the sand. we have 1/4 of kids going into school overweight, and 1/3 coming out of the high school years overweight. and i am on the agriculture committee, and the first thing we need to do is pass the school nutrition bill. because any mom -- i have a 14-year-old. any mom knows the kids have to choose between green beans and french fries, they are going for the french fries. and this bill looks like the offerings and vending machines, and you can have vending

machines, but just make sure there are good foods in the machines. >> two bills. public schools, no physical education classes. and number two, the level of aflewance when it comes to nutrition. you see kids from single-parent households with their kids eating a snicker bar. >> yeah, and that has to be a major component here. i remember back when i was in elementary school, we had to do a physical fit class. >> that was horrible. >> i had the second to the worse softball throw in second grade. and grechen had the worse, sorry

grechen. and kids may be with two quarters in the vending machine happens. so when we provide the lunches in school, we have to have not have bad choices or crappy food in the cafeteria, because we have to instill in them the health. with the health care debate going on in washington right now, we know safeway reduced cost for health care by 13% with the well care program. it's instealing that personal responsibility at home. >> it's all a good start. got to get to the kids in the schools. we also have to get to the parents. i am meeting with a campaign to get into the nation's schools and talking straight and tough about being fat. you, good luck today, on your

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welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour here. 8:00 in new york city. but we begin our journey across the great country. lax, 5:00 a.m. and then next, las vegas. my home away from home. and then chicago, the city that hopes by this time next week to be the host city for the 2016 games, if the president has anything to say about it. the president's home right there. and then where, t.j.? philly. looking good. and then back here to new york city, a live shot from across the river at new jersey, looking at downtown manhattan.

>> two minutes past the top of the hour. i am mika brzezinski. joe is still off recovering from injury. and we have former secretary of state madeline albright still with us. it's perfect timing because we have new information on iran. let's run the sound byte and then do this -- okay. pressure is building this morning, right now, for a new international sanctions against iran over the highly contentious nuclear program. and there is a planned meeting in geneva between iran and six superpowers, including the u.s. and tehran, and this is the new news, tehran will not discuss its newly discussed enrichment plant. these were scheduled meetings.

i am not sure where we go from here, madam, is that correct, but it seems to me that they are already digging in. i am not surprised. are you surprised that they are digging in and not giving information and playing games already? >> i am not surprised. they did not want to talk about the nuclear issues at all. and i think that there is going to have to be consistent pressure on them by the international community. that's what so important about what happened. there does seem to be more cooperation with the russians. we will see where the chinese are. the french and the british have been tough as have the germans. >> and it says iran will not abandon its nuclear activity, and not even for a second. >> well, they have been saying that all along. the real problem is how the talks take place while they are doing whatever they are doing. and so the talks can't be used in order for them to delay

action in getting inspectors in there. so that's the problem. >> what are the mechanics of this? who is at the table for us? who is at the table for them? >> well, they have their negotiators, their second or third level down. for us there is bill burns, who is the number three in the state department, somebody that had been in the previous administration. i know him very, very well. he was the ambassador in russia. so he knows this issue very well. and javier, the european foreign minister is running these. we have to take it to the u.n. to get international sanctions. >> dealing with the game and the lives and not being clear on the situation, how much time do we allow to pass where our president's credibility is

undermined? >> let me just say this is a very bad situation. there is nothing about it that is good. and there does need to be pressure. i personally am not somebody that believes in deadlines. i think it's important to have a plan. if you say something has to be done by december 15th, and it doesn't work, you know, i -- i think the president is putting a lot of effort into it and that's what people are looking for. >> i agree with you on deadlines, and i think they could be dangerous, and you end up undermining your own efforts. i am asking you, knowing the situation and seeing the latest information out of iran and the way they are playing still, how much time does the president have until his credibility is undermined on the world stage where iran seems to be laughing at our demands? >> yeah, the fact that there is more international support for this does not mean president obama is out there by himself.

at a certain time the iranians will irritate everybody else. the intelligence is different. we don't know how far ahead they are ex how much time. but i think he has time, so long as there is real work being done and that international pressure mounted so it's not just the u.s. versus iran. >> what will it take to get iran's attention? if every time we mention sanctions, they continue doing what they do, how do we get them to stop? >> we are looking at smart sanctions. we are targeting specific people who then will not be able to travel or their accounts abroad will be blocked or there is discussion about having a block aid so they cannot get their fuel out. the problem is, and i am sure you will address this, and what happens if they stop exporting,

and then oil prices go up. there are no easy options here. that's the problem. i think we need to follow it closely and stay united on it. >> do you think that the iranian missiles over the weekend should be used as an additional argument for sanctions? >> they say they planned them earlier and had nothing to do with the timing. >> just crossing now, and the russia deputy foreign minister said they should not be used as an additional argument? >> this is the question as to how much the russians are really with us. i know the foreign minister began to wiggle a bit from what president medvedev said. and this is why secretary clinton has to be in this, and president obama and bill burns is the person that is really on ground. but this is going to be hard and get the diplomacy. multilateral diplomacy is hard.

and the mistakes that were made is that we did not get international support for a tough action. another big story we are following. one year ago today, the dow jones plunged a popping 770 points. the biggest drop in history. it was after the house of representatives rejected the draft of the rescue plan. and andrew writes this. a sign of good things to come? >> i have been dower on the

economy. and companies and ceos have been diverse in doing a merger when the market is too high or too low, and now you are starting to see the transactions again and again. and they are a lagging indicator. and these guys may be too late like every other investor who missed the boat over the past several months. it seems to show that we are stabilizing. and that comes from somebody who is very bearish. i don't say this sparingly. >> is there a difference now in terms of the myrergermergers? now, it seems there is more of a

cynergy. >> these are strategic deals with they are trying to put these things together. it's not to say that this is a great thing, it's just that the psychology within the boardroom and the fact that executives feel their own businesses are doing better -- a lot of ceos would say the market is ahead of its self, and we are not sure we can keep up with the market. now that sentiment seems to be changing. >> you have such a sunny disposition. >> you say the psychology changed, but doesn't that have to go hand and hand -- >> well, every time we are here we are talking about how to fix the financial system. there are 101 things that we

need to do before we can create sustainable change. i don't want to suggest that the sentiment or psychological change is sustainable. i think we need to have serious financial reforms that needs to take place to make this a sustainable system. >> i am known as multilateral madeline. what do you think about the g-20 and what is happening -- >> we still have to fix the system. the banks are the under pinings of the environment. why the psychology is better, i am unclear. i am not sure the sentiment should be pushed this way. we need to fix the banks. they made some right noises but it could take another 12 or 18 months. we still need serious legislation. we talked about resolutions.

>> look at these polls. 65% says better than now, looking ahead. >> i have thought a lot psychological. i think your piece will make a difference. >> i thought about that a lot last night as i was finishing the piece, and i was saying as you write a piece, it will appear on the front page, and you say confidence is up and other confidences go up, and this is a gain. >> how does what you write about the psychology of it all fare with job numbers, for example?

>> well, that's the big question. it's very likely that we will see continued increases in unemployment over the next 12 months. at the same time the economy -- this is the pair daradoparadox, see later when the rubber hits the road. that's when the w part may come and we'll take the second leg. >> i think there will be a double dip. >> and here is andrew tooting his own horn. >> thank you, thank you. >> you mention fix the capital requirements? >> i think what has to happen is for every dollar they will lend out they have to have more capital sitting in the bank.

banks are lending out money and it's not always their money. one of the things that have to happen to avoid this happening is they need a bigg eger kushen. and banks, by the way, and not just the u.s. banks, the european banks are inasmuch trouble as ours, and they need to fix things. >> what happens to the under current of the american economy if industry starts to come back, and if the market continues to rise, and yet there is a permanent new layer of unemployment out there? >> well, that's the question. >> 55 years of age, lost their jobs? >> is that the new normal? i don't know the answer. frankly, can the economy come back if that's the case? i think this could be a fake, and -- >> well, we are at a different place. does that make sense?

>> we are at a very different place. i don't want to suggest that the type of transactions that we are seeing, the mergers, they are not massive. >> not only is it a bi-line. >> that's nice. i like multilateral madeline. >> yeah. >> this is read my pins. i love it. i am getting it for my daughter. thank you for being with us. we will have a look at business before the bell straight ahead on "morning joe." >> and then we also have charlie

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from florida, governor charlie crist. thank you for being on the show? >> hi, mika. great to be with you. how are things with you? >> good. we are hanging in here. joe will be back next week. had a little surgery. >> please give him my regards. he is a dear friend. >> i definitely will. i will. tell us how the race is going. you have an up start -- >> it's going great. >> are you sure? >> yeah. pretty sure. so far so good. confident but not comeplacent. we are trying to keep education moving forward and we are pleased from what is happening there. from 31st to first in the nation. i am happy for that. >> your opponent, a heated

battle. is that safe to say? >> no, i would not describe it as heated. competition is good. i like it. i look forward to it and i am ready for it. >> take me down, if you would, the west coast of your estate. let's get in the car and go all the way to naples. tell me about the real estate market. is it looking any better today? >> it is looking better. obviously the west coast and the east coast has been challenging over the past couple years due to what has happened with the global economy. the prices have gone down on individual home sales, and as a result home sales have gone up because the prices have gone down. that makes sense. realtors across the state are getting commissions again. it's really, i think, bottomed out. things are starting to improve. and then in marion county, i was talking to a realtor there. she told me that in august of this year compared to august of last year sales were up over

60%. so it's pretty dramatic what is starting to happen. when you have the market meet the marketplace and the prices come down, floridians respond. i think we are on the road back. >> there have been a lot of responses to all the spending going on in washington. when president obama was promoting that $787 billion stimulus bill. you appeared with him on stage. do you regret that now given the way things are going? >> not at all. >> why not? >> well, the president had just first got elected. i believe when the president of your country comes to the state for the first time, it's only appropriate to welcome him. so i was happy to do so. now, do i agree with everything that he does, obviously not. we are in different parties. but i am not a civil person towards my president. i wish john mccain would have

won, because i campaigned hard for him. i think people can have disagreements without being disagreeable. have you to respect the office and i do. >> i want to ask you about the comment you made about president obama, comparing him potentially to jimmy carter, a one-term president. how do you see that? >> i see it because back in '76, willie, when carter got elected, people were in a mood for change. we were coming off the nixon years, and people wanted a change. i think the same thing existed last year in the political climate. people wanted change. and president obama tapped into that in a very effective way and was elected. and i think that change is what people wanted, but i don't think this kind of change is a what they expected.

government has grown too much, too fast and too far. and i think senator mccain would have done a great job. i think they want more private sector influence and more free enterprise, and less big government. i think they want less taxing and spending and less government and more freedom, as we talk about in florida. >> governor, andrew from the "new york times" is here today, so watch yourself. >> i want to talk about unemployment. we are up to double digits on unemployment. where is it in your state, and what are you doing about it? >> well, we are in double digits, too. we are trying to move the economy forward. we are reducing our taxes. we have a balanced budget in the sunshine state. we are getting out of the way of business and trying to promote

intrapreneurship, and preenterprise. >> have you using any of the stimulus money to push for new jobs? >> absolutely. primarily as it relates to infrastructure for our roads, we have been aggressive about trying to establish more roads. every billion dollars spent in infrastructure recrates tens of thousands of new jobs. while we are in double digits in unemployment, it's slightly coming down in florida. we hope the trend continues. we look forward to a brighter future. >> pat buchanan? >> we just talked about how republicans have to dump the moeshl issues associated with the christian coalition and others. what is your feeling about that yourself? i think there is a disagreement with you on these. do you think the republicans

should try and drop the issues to move on to economic issues? >> i don't think so at all. you have to stand for what you believe in. i think those issues are important for us to stand by, if it's what you believe. it's what i believe. and we have to emphasize the economic issues, pat, it's clear to everybody on the planet the economy is the issue. it's what the republicans have the right issue, that you have more freedom and less taxing and spending. they want more free enterprise and more opportunity. my grandfather came to this country from greece and had nothing but america gave him a chance to do better for his family because that was the american way. it offers people the chance to pull themselves up by their put straps, if you are willing to work hard you can get ahead in the country. that's what it's all about.

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welcome back. that's a beautiful picture. a lovely fall day in new york city. one year ago today, not so lovely. the dow had the biggest single-day point drop. let's get a check on business before the bell with cnbc's erin burnett. >> it would be hard to do worse than that. i remember standing here on the floor and all the traders were watching television. it was a rare event. they were glued to what was going on in washington. remember the unexpected vote down of t.a.r.p. and everybody thought it would pass and it doesn't pass, and it literally fell apart, and frank paulson got on his knees in front of nancy pelosi. >> the good old days? >> yeah, the good old days. and we have a flat open.

housing, we have seen six months of improvement in housing numbers. things are still bad, though, right. prices are still going down. and they are just not going down by as much. and then we will see some of the existing home sales data were disappointing. and they were not living up to expectations. confidence is not usually linked to spending, but there is a component where that is correlated over longer periods of time with spending. those are two main things. we have a couple the federal bank of dallas and philadelphia both making comments. everybody is waiting for the job numbers on friday. we are expecting it to go up.

and the jobs number on thursday, a slightly different survey, and sometimes it could be off but people watch it closely anyway. >> yeah, and that first number is creeping towards double digits. and andrew sorkin, hello there? >> hello. >> and how are the markets reacting to his front page piece today? >> he moves markets. >> yes, he does. >> yes. jonathan capehart joins us for the political round table. he will be in washington. plus, we will have pat, barnicle and mika and sorkin when "morning joe" continues.

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"morning joe" political round table. we have a good one this morning. here in new york, mike barnicle, who i just can't even tell you what he showed me. and pat buchanan -- go ahead. and the "new york times'", andrew ross sorkin, who willie has. >> not again. >> and willie geist. also joining us from washington, jonathan capehart. welcome. >> good morning. >> we are going to start with this howard fineman article. he writes this.

the bottom line is he does quite well in terms of being a media accra bat and handling a lot of balls in the air. at the same time, if one thing doesn't lead to another when it comes to iran and afghanistan and our economy and jobs, isn't he going to learn the thunder that he has got? >> is that a question for me, mika? >> absolutely. >> i see we are there in the split box. the president has been in office for 10 months. as howard points out, he has a

lot on his plate and a lot to do. right now it is seemingly all style and rhetoric and words. i think we have to give it a little bit of time to see if all of the things that he is trying to accomplish will actually get accomplished. if we were having the conversation in february, then i would think that there would be reason for alarm, because then he had some time to get something done, and to say that one of those boxes won't be checked in possibly the near future, i don't think that's entirely fair. >> but there have been -- pat buchanan, there have been deadlines that passed, have their not? when you think of iraq and gitmo. there are promises that he promised to check that are unchecked? >> i think one of the key things on whether obama will be re-elected, number one is the economy, if that's rolling that's an enormous asset.

and secondly, it's the problem with afghanistan. does he escalate and put in more troops, which could kill his presidency, or walk out and lose a war, which would be the end of his presidency. >> well, jonathan is right in the sense that, you know, he has not been president for nine months yet. and he is very short into his presidency. but it's his war now and his economy now. those are the realities. having nothing to do with the symantecs or how many times that he mentioned george bush. it's all his. that's his problem. >> and andrew ross sorkin, boxes that he can check on the economic crisis. there are about five. >> yeah, and hopefully we will get to some of them this fall. frankly, i don't think that he will check the boxes this fall. i think it's something that will move into the spring and then the worry becomes the other

issues get over and you do not get to some of the financial reform issues that a lot of americans would like to see. health care is one concern. and what i don't understand if you are out there every day still on the stump effectively, what happens next year when truly the box is not checked. there is a tipping point and then have you lost the influence and do people care whether you are on television talking about this stuff. >> he has enormous charisma, and he keeps spinning it down. >> what do you do then? do you disappear for a little bit? the other thing is, some people are worried he is not working, and he is out there talking but is he working? >> funny you mention that. i was talking to a major figure in the american economy, and he likes president obama and seen him taking to the stump on

health care and on the economy and week after week after week, and he says does the guy ever go to work? >> well, that is his work. >> well, it's like a ceo who is on television every day. share holders do not like that. we, in this case, are the share holders. >> we are in a multimedia world now and this is a president trying to stay on top of the message, because if he is not, they will say where is he? >> well, do you remember in the town hall meetings, where people were saying where is barack obama? and now he gets involved and people are saying he is everywhere. >> here is where charisma helps and personality helps when he puts himself on "60 minutes" and in front of a bunch of union workers, it's very hard to say, well, this guy doesn't know what he is doing, he is crazy or

doesn't care about us. >> one other thing, and the president is the single best advocate for his administration and policies. the problem is who are the stars within the administration that could actually carry the message so the president doesn't have to spin down that path? >> well, where are the second and third allies out there, where he doesn't have to carry the ball every single play. when you do that, you will run down your full back. >> it's not like he doesn't have people there. he has a lot of people there that are terrific messengers, but they need to be given an opportunity to spread the messa message. >> jonathan capehart, we will

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this has been a wild and harrowing and history making day, and we still don't know how this ends. americans were told by the president if the package does not go through, there could be a collapse. and the package was voted down in the house of representatives. stocks fell off a cliff. the largest single point drop in history. in the end, 12 points killed him and so did the voices of the americans people that called their representatives and said no, and then congress voted no. >> that was the report from "nbc nightly news" one year ago today. and now peter goodman, the author of a new book "past due the end of easy money and the renewal of the american

economy." and mr. sorkin is still here with us. >> long term it's a good thing we are not going to live on the fantasies that propelled our economy for more than a decade. the delusion the internet changed everything where we thought we could spend as much as we could, and stocks that could double inside an hour if you are lucky, and then we could pull money from our houses as if the houses were an atm machine that never required a deposit. and that was unhealthy. it got the government in trouble and the economy in trouble. and it is healthy to get back to living on our own sleeve. >> you are talking big picture here. but in your book you flame it in the lives of 12 ordinary people with their own problems.

>> well, i looked at wall street that encouraged institutions to make bets. and the rest of us working people, taxpayers, ultimately took a hit. moreover, we had weak job growth for the last several years, and wage stagnation. that was masked by the fact that people could borrow money against their homes, and people in my profession missed the reality, and for a while it was masked for a while that we could spend money without abandon. >> this is not about been bn bernanke, but it's about us. you see people with the credit cards and it's a swipe of the card to buy whatever they are buying. and some act like it's not costing anything. how much of an issue is that?

>> definitely an issue. madison avenue marketed us that the future will be great, and why wait and why defer a need when the future is going to bring us someplace lucrative. and it's not just recklessness that got us into the mess. 80% of working people have seen their wages stag nate over the last quarter scentury. we are one bad moment away from a real catastrophe. and along the way there is a lot of credit that gets us through our day. >> you see unemployment going up, and at the same time people say they see signs things are getting better. is this a head fake? >> unclear whether it's a head fake. we are tech nenically out of th

recession, probably. and these numbers are probably going to go bigger. we found out that the number of job openings is roughly 1/6 of the number of unemployed people out there looking for work. we are going to have a long period of unemployment before business gets confidence that they see growth opportunity on the horizon and they start to hire people. >> peter goodman. the book is called "past due." thank you very much. andrew liked it. >> yeah, i already read it. up next, what if anything -- andrew is on the front page. >> yeah, we learned that. >> what if anything, did we learn today? we will be right back. national car rental knows i'm picky.

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time to talk about what we learned today. >> i learned about a clip that i did not have a chance to get in to the show. and jack lalanne. he is talking about richard simmons. >> what do you think about him? >> i never slept on him. but he helped a lot of people. so richard, congratulations,

keep up the good work. we are proud of you. >> would you wear the short shorts that he wears? >> no, i wouldn't do that. because i have so much to show. >> jack lalanne, 95 years old, that's the headline, he never slept with richard simmons. and that's good to know. >> and i learned mike is ride, they don't make blago to copenhagen. >> i just learned something. jack lalanne is not dead. he is 95! >> he looks great. >> this is going downhill. stop. stop. i called mrs. albright her as a child, and i was confused. it's multilateral madeline. and that's her nickname. if it's way too early, willie? >> it's "morning joe." and right now it's time for the